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You're paying to know the time in New York? 😕
You're also paying to hear their propaganda.
They should be paying you instead.bruh you're ruining my fun comment with your pessimism :(
Regardless of how much propaganda is in any news article, the ability to read it and see through the lies is a skill all people should be able to perform.
I'm yet to find any unbiased news agency, but if you read enough news you can hopefully see where the truth lies… or at least the bones of the matter.….. And that's where today's sponsor comes in. Ground News is a……
Media watch on abc ftw
Media watch on abc ftw
Lol, dude just said you should be able to see through the lies and you just regurgitated their lies…
I'm yet to find any unbiased news agency, but if you read enough news you can hopefully see where the truth lies
I'm also yet to find any unbiased news agency so I simply stopped giving these liars my attention.
If you watch anything about how illusions and manipulation work you'll know that simply exposing yourself to something, even if you know is lie will still change the way you think about it. The only remedy for that is to not read/watch/listen to it.
The real question here is why do feel the need to know lies about things that will never affect you?
As an example, I just pulled up Google News now and the top story is 'Mexican Chefs were sold the Australian Dream by Merivale'. I'm not even joking here, that is the top story. If you knew everything about this story, or knew nothing, how would your life be any different? The story would likely provoke your emotions, to feed off your existing beliefs in order to sway your opinion about something, usually either big business bad, or big government bad etc. But it's all the same formula, all designed to keep you hooked.
This whole industry exists by feeding you hype and lies to keep you engaged in order to sell advertisers your attention. The smart choice would be to recognise that and not give them any. Try going outside instead, you'll find the world is not as bad as the media will try and make out every waking hour of your life.
@1st-Amendment: "If you knew everything about this story, or knew nothing, how would your life be any different?"
If you're in Sydney, and you decide that the story and its implications are relevant to you, you could decide to stop eating at Marivale locations. If you don't care about allegedly exploited workers, that's fine too, but knowing does make a difference.
@marct: (stop eating at Marivale, easier said than done, considering they own apparently every single restaurant in Sydney)
If you're in Sydney, and you decide that the story and its implications are relevant to you,
So you just admitted that you are easily manipulated by media stories… Their tricks are working…
As an example, I just pulled up Google News now and the top story is 'Mexican Chefs were sold the Australian Dream by Merivale'. I'm not even joking here, that is the top story.
The Google news feed is based on the algorithm's knowledge of your interests and your internet activity, as well as things that interest the average Australian. I guess this tells us about the kinds of things you and most Australians click on.
I guess this tells us about the kinds of things you and most Australians click on.
Have you heard of script blocking? I guess not…
So back to the original question which you avoided. How does me either knowing or not knowing anything about that story help or hinder my daily life?
Especially since Merivale have no business operations where I live.
@dtc: It's the classic conservative conspiracy theorist approach: You claim all media is the same, all media is biased, no journalists can be trusted, even frontline journalists risking their lives to document events in real-time.
Then you pick and choose what to believe, create your own crackpot narratives, and feel good about how clever you are.
It's the classic conservative conspiracy theorist approach
You just espoused a conspiracy theory right here.
Lack of self awareness is off the charts…
I asked this question already, perhaps you could give it a go:
Could you give me an example of where the corporate media gave you info you couldn't find more reliably elsewhere?
Your solution to potential bias is to become completely ignorant?
Is that how you interpreted that?
Not listening to lies can only mean you are 'completely ignorant'? Is this the argument you are going with?
Did it ever enter your mind that it's possible to get information without relying on propaganda being fed to you through corporate media?
We live in the information age, where the source of information is usually easy to find so the purpose of a propaganda middleman is no longer needed.
Ignorance is knowing this yet still choosing the propaganda method.Could you give me an example of where the corporate media gave you info you couldn't find more reliably elsewhere?
We live in the information age, where the source of information is usually easy to find so the purpose of a propaganda middleman is no longer needed.
What is the source of information about an event currently or recently occurring somewhere in the world? Is it not a journalist documenting/reporting that event? Or do you have a more reliable network of robot pigeons with cameras in their eyes, reporting to you from every corner of the earth?
Journalists work for news media organizations. I know it's convenient for your narrative to label them all evil, but some of the actually aren't. They're just doing their job, and trying to do it well.
@1st-Amendment: Did you actually read that article, or just the headline? It begins by clearly stating its bias, and why it would be a headlining story.
Dismissing headlines as "big business bad, or big government bad" isn't particularly clever, but it is an easy way to affirm your own existing beliefs.
why would any one pay for this crap? even reddit has more factual news than the NY Times.
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Wish there is a special discount too for Bloomberg. I really find the different Bloomberg editions very informative but subscription is very expensive.
Haha New York Times hahahaha
What's so funny?
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They had some good Times, good Times in New York, hahaha
Fake news!
In all seriousness where do you recommend I go to for real news?
Reuters seems ok
nowhere. all media has inherent editorial bias, it's how they stay in business. they are increasingly polarised politically. people don't want news, they just want their own echo chamber and hear what they want to hear, if you present any content that is not in keeping with their world view they will froth at the mouth and act like you shot their firstborn and mother. this is today's world.
So impossible to know what is happening in the world? So we’re back to living in the 17th century where you only know what’s happening in your street because you actually saw it with your own eyes?
@illusion99: not to a degree of absolute certainty without first hand knowledge, and even then that may not give you the whole picture. you have to be critical and diversify with your source of information, be aware of potential biases and be comfortable with uncertainty. I like to look at both the Australian and the Herald for example to see both sides of the spectrum. and then there's the toilet rags you read for laughs like daily telegraph
@May4th: So your answer before of “nowhere” isn’t accurate? As now you say you read mix of the Australian and the Herald to get your news
@illusion99: why wouldn't it be? it gives me a more balanced view but I'm not under the illusion that any one source is the gospel of truth. to use an analogy three photos of an event is better than one view, but it doesn't give me the same information as a video. a video wouldn't give me the same perspective as actually seeing with my own eyes living it. you just have to make the best possible assessment of a situation with evidence available to you and accept there's a chance you might be misled or wrong. it's not rocket science but most people seem to find this difficult to grasp
@May4th: Because your answer to where should I go for real news was “nowhere”. When a better answer would be to review various sources such as the Australian or Herald and make your own assessment. That is a completely different answer to “nowhere”
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Google and use your own discretion.
How difficult is that?
I don't even care about the 'news' in our country, let alone in Trump land!
Would you care about the news if it was reporting a cyclone that's about to rip your roof off, a bushfire that could burn your suburb down, a war or conflict that may affect your holiday plans, an accident that claimed the life of someone you know, changes to interest rates/prices/taxes/property legislation that may affect how you spend your money, new laws that have been or will be implemented, illegal or dodgy activity by organizations that you are or were planning to be involved in, etc. etc. ?
Or that there's a sale at Penneys?!?!
All of the things you listed I would eventually find out from someone who does watch/read the news.
Our news is grosly over-exaggerated, and focuses too much on subjects that don't interest me, like celebrities, sport, etc.
focuses too much on subjects….. like celebrities, sport, etc.
I think you'll find major respectable newspapers like The New York Times, The Guardian, BBC, Sydney Morning Herald don't do that.
Avoid tabloid newspapers like Herald Sun, news. com.au, many of which are owned by Newscorp (Murdoch family), and which publish a lot of clickbait type of articles and promote them through Facebook.
Would you care about the news if it was reporting a cyclone that's about to rip your roof off
Oh dear…
I recently had a cyclone right on top on my place that the media spent days telling everyone that it was "about to rip your roof off". But guess what, it never happened. All the fear and hype failed to eventuate. The media sold many advertising dollars though selling the hype. I even watched a news guys set up his storm shot for the broadcast. They waited and waited and waited until a wind gust came, filmed, then stopped as the gust died down. It was pure parody that weak minds buy into over and over…Fear! Uncertainty! Doubt! Give us you eyeballs!
a bushfire that could burn your suburb down
Been there too, it also never happened as hyped. Why do I need the media when I can just check the source myself? The media is just using the same source data from RFS or BOM or whoever that you can see yourself without the BS hype.
a war or conflict that may affect your holiday plans
Same. Was going to Thailand years ago when they had the military unrest, was warned about fear and danger, none of it ever eventuated… just all blown out of proportion to keep you glued to your screen.
There seems to be a pattern here. You can choose to buy into the hype and live in fear, or go outside and none of the millions of possible bad scenarios they portray have ever happen.
Maybe try the go outside option sometime. The world is not as scary as the man on TV would have you believe.I recently had a cyclone right on top on my place that the media spent days telling everyone that it was "about to rip your roof off". But guess what, it never happened. All the fear and hype failed to eventuate. The media sold many advertising dollars though selling the hype. I even watched a news guys set up his storm shot for the broadcast. They waited and waited and waited until a wind gust came, filmed, then stopped as the gust died down. It was pure parody that weak minds buy into over and over…
Not sure if you've visited any of the areas (e.g. Surfers Paradise, Redcliffe Peninsula) that were majorly affected. Entire beaches have been wiped away, and will take years to recover. Surfers Paradise beach is just a cliff now, at the edge of the footpath. Many houses were damaged, including roofs damaged/taken off, windows broken, 100-year-old trees uprooted, fences knocked down, local flooding in various areas, etc.
Been there too, it also never happened as hyped.
I guess all the people whose houses have burned down from bushfires are just lying about it?
Why do I need the media when I can just check the source myself?
The source is the media. Unless you think the scientists studying these things are going to call you directly by phone?
The media is just using the same source data from RFS or BOM
BOM is well-integrated into the media infrastructure. Its data is communicated by news media for those who aren't able to stay glued to a computer screen.
Same. Was going to Thailand years ago when they had the military unrest, was warned about fear and danger, none of it ever eventuated… just all blown out of proportion to keep you glued to your screen.
I guess your experiences represent the experiences of everyone worldwide. Disasters never happen, and life is risk-free, everyone around the world is living in paradise, free from tragedy. We'll just ask you when we need information on what's going to happen.
Not sure if you've visited any of the areas
I just told you it was right on top of me, I was living right in the middle of ground zero according to what the news was saying. I had friends and family calling me every day telling them that the man on TV told them to be afraid, but the media version of events did not match reality as usual.
Entire beaches have been wiped away
I walk on these beaches every day. Sure there has been some damage, but the beach is still there. And watching the news didn't change any of that.
I didn't watch the news and it made no difference to the outcome. Don't believe what the man on the TV tells you.Cyclones will still happen whether you watch the news or not. If you are interested in saftey information there are plenty of resources available that don't involve the media.
I just told you it was right on top of me, I was living right in the middle of ground zero according to what the news was saying. I had friends and family calling me every day telling them that the man on TV told them to be afraid, but the media version of events did not match reality as usual.
The media was getting its information from BOM and other scientific weather organizations. I know, because I was checking BOM.
Predicting the future is not extremely easy, and cyclones are not always predictable. It was much stronger before it made landfall.
If the politicians and news media had been complacent and said "nothing to worry about" and it ended up being Hurricane Katrina, you would have blamed the media and government for lying about it.
Personally, the cyclone did affect my property, it is the worst natural disaster I've experienced in my life, although I have been very lucky until now.
if anyone has Android, install the privacy browser, works for NYT, SMH, The Age and a few other international paywalls (not newscorp or afr).
https://f-droid.org/packages/com.stoutner.privacybrowser.sta…
Alternatively, you could get the bypass paywalls browser extension, works too for Chrome / Firefox on windows / android
chrome on windows, not android. and I can never get those extensions working on FF Android. Privacy Browser just does it out of the box. and FF Android is a hot mess of poop these days.
For Android, I use quetta browser with bypass pw extension installed ever since ff f'ed up.
Works a treat. Any articles I want to read, I just share to Quetta from edge or google
Or firefox on mobilevor desktop, and manually install the Bypass Paywalls Clean addon to bypass everything
does that work for Newscorp & AFR again?
Not sure, i know it gets updated very frequently and I've read a few afr articles in the last 3 weeks, so maybe fixed
The real Life Pro Tip is always in the comments
There's much cheaper places to get fake news.
like Fox and Sky?
like CNN
maybe Hannity report for you then
like Fox and Sky?
So you acknowledge that one side is fake news, but can't grasp the idea that the other side is playing the same game? Too funny…
Four legs good, two legs bad!
do people still engage seriously with you here? like I said above all media is biased, I'm very aware of same. I also don't see why people for american news either left or right wing but that's just me
@1st-Amendment: oh be reassured I'm as serious as when I'm visiting a zoo. funny enough this is one thing we actually agree on
A$20 for The Athletic is fantastic deal.
At the end of the 12 months, if you tell them on the live chat that you are leaving, they will offer another heavily discounted subscription (based on past experience)
Imagine being dumb enough to pay for this rag.
why do we have to pay for news
Why would I pay to read a paper written by non English speaking school shooting orange lard electing f withs with no f's nor wits? If I want to support a third world country I'd buy something from a more developed nation like Guatemala
NYT is a joke of a news site but Wirecutter and Sweet Home have value for in-depth reviews.
Any deal for CNN, that would complement the NYT so well.
If you have the Apple One subscription, the New York Times is included, as well as most of the publications mentioned in the comments.
That's only with Apple One Premiere, correct? $20 extra per month for News+ and Fitness+ https://www.apple.com/au/apple-one/
"Yes, I have a shared subscription through OzBargain. It's $100 a year for all of that."
I cannot see NYT in my News+ with One premiere. Has this changed?
NYT is ENTIRELY trading on its reputation at this point, as opposed to current performance.
They burned through it already
A lot of people (esp down here) know the name, not the recent content
lol no thanks
I had a membership for several years but recently cancelled.
While I agree with many about the significant bias that has taken hold of all news platforms, including NYT. My biggest issue is the proportion of information verse commentary within an article. It makes it near unreadable - date points misrepresented, quotes replaced with paraphrasing or small portions of a sentence to distort statement, headlines that at high frequency force your brain to believe something is true, common, or serious.
At this cost it may be worth it to many, though personally I would prefer to use the paywall remover for the occasional article but avoid NYT as a primary news source.
agreed..it's more of a blog than news at this point
New Jewish Times
Oi Vey!
They should pay me to read that trash.
I have a discounted subscription to the NYT, mostly use it for the crossword, seems worth it to me for that alone. On year 3 of my 2 bucks a month for a year subscription.
Failing New York Times = FAKE NEWS.
they are getting desperate
Thanks for your comment Don
its not a bargain.. they should hv been paying me to access their content..
as they say if you are not paying for a product then you are the product.. eg. facebook, X
Education is our passport to the future, for tomorrow belongs to the people who prepare for it today. - Malcom X
Love the games.
Removepaywall
Worth it if you play Wordle/Connections/Mini/etc and just view the news side of things as an added bonus.
Not worth it for the news alone.
Also, the ongoing price can be brought back down to $20 by threatening to cancel.
just use
https://12ft.io/
or
https://archive.md/
to read paywalled articles
This for every news site, so much this.
Doesn't work for the herald sun apparently, and unfortunately!
Why unfortunately?