Looks like the tesla Model Y's pricing has come down again. They've also added some new colours Quicksilver and Ultra Red (additional cost), black hubcaps (for RWD and LR) however interior is the same. No more USS and this comes with HW4.
Model Y RWD $63,900
Model Y LR $72,900
Model Y Performance $82,900
Estimated delivery: Apr - Jun 2024
Model Y & 3 purchase: Referee gets 90 days Enhanced Autopilot. Referrer gets 5,000 credits. Referrer can also earn 100 credits if the referee takes a test drive.
Limit of up to 12 order referrals and 60 test drive referrals per calendar year.
Completely agree, but hopefully by then some of the new EVs will be out in Australia, I'm hoping the Xiaomi su7 comes to Australia, I'm not sure what the price will look like here but the base model still has great range and is $30k US in China.
+1 on Xiaomi
See this is why I've always thought Tesla Inc. is massively overvalued. It's priced as if they have a 50 year copyright on electric cars. Clearly they do not.
@shaybisc: No but they do own the majority of charging infrastructure, which is important for anything other than local trips where you charge at home. That in itself adds value to Tesla over other much better cars
@hornoscous: Which they're opening up to non-Tesla vehicles, so they must consider the value of that advantage as negligible now.
@banana365: Not all Superchargers are open to non-Teslas, not the busier ones. Also the tariffs are higher for non-Teslas
@banana365: Think you missed the point, Tesla make money from vehicles using their charging network.
@BluebirdV: I remember the last time government spent twice as much to build twice as less of a network and they called it NBN. So no thanks.
@CacheHunter: "Finished" is highly debatable.
In order to shout mission accomplished at the promised time, the Coalition government allowed a bunch of kludgy fixes, including shifting entire communities onto slower and less reliable connections (fixed wireless or even satellite in some cases) instead of the planned fibre connections.
NBN is still in the process of moving hundreds of suburbs over to fibre connections, and there's little doubt that a lot of the brand new, very expensive copper cabling that was put into the ground in the last few years will be removed in favour of fibre in the next decade or so.
@klaw81: Daily reminder that democracy exists. You can't ask the government to do things without factoring that in.
Labor had screwed the rollout of the NBN and it had basically fully stalled when the Coalition got in. Then the Coalition decided to cut the technology to remove the hardest part of the job and get it done.
Both "failed" in their own, different ways.
But you can't just operate on the assumption that only your team will stay in government forever.
@Wolfenstein98k: Labour didn't fail the NBN. It was off to a slow start, as fibre was new technology at the time. It would have finished on time if it had been allowed to run its initial course. You're one of those "both sides are just as bad" people?
@tor: Honestly, even finishing late wasn't a big problem. The important part was that it was done once, done properly and efficiently, and with technology that had a clear and sensible upgrade path.
Instead, we got a ridiculous patchwork of different legacy network types, some of which were already obsolete, highly unsuitable for their new purpose, and vastly too expensive.
@tor: That's a very favourable view. I don't think you can ask a new government to honour the old one's plan, that you didn't support, and that you're getting reports has stalled because it was poorly planned. I wouldn't expect Labor to do that for a Liberal boondoggle, such as the East-West Link.
As to "just as bad", no one equivocated. Weird that you felt the need to ask.
@Wolfenstein98k: Well, they did with Snowy 2.0, which has been a slow motion train wreck from day 1 :-)
@klaw81: Sure. I expect both parties have mismanaged and/or poorly planned massive infrastructure programs. Neither of them should be taken at face value when saying they can successfully build you a bridge.
That was the point of my initial comments.
@hornoscous: In the USA, Tesla have a superior charging network, where they have their own connector standard, and the public CCS chargers over there are notoriously unreliable. Here in Australia, Tesla uses the CCS connector just like almost every other EV, and Tesla charging sites make up less than 20% of all CCS charging sites (currently in Victoria there are about 30 Tesla CCS sites and well over 200 CCS sites in total).
I kind of wish Tesla did have their own superior charging network and connector standard in Australia, as there would be a lot less of them competing with the rest of us for access to public CCS chargers!
Back on topic, the continuing fall in Tesla prices is good for anyone looking at EVs, as it puts downward pressure on all brands
@iohnc: In USA other cars are going to adopt NACS and NACS is CCS2 compliant and cheap converters can used to Interface convert and Tesla is opening up access to other cars.
Proprietery has no business in any part of this equation.
What we need is more more more…more fast and more slow. Pole chargers upto 11 kw at each and every pole where street parking is allowed and at all public parking places, medium fast chargers at ever 10km and Super fast chargers every 100km or so in all highways.
@tchcrat: Chargers are low investmet, low maintenance amenities unlike petrol station. Once installed operation costs are next to nil unlike petroleum based supply chain.
@hornoscous: That isn't really important anymore. Most of the key supercharger sights are open to other brands and the build out as part of whatever the federal gov scheme is called has been pretty significant. I use to feel the same ways but not anymore at all.
@shaybisc: Tesla was not the inventor nor the first to adopt the EV technology
Nissan Leaf - EV
Toyota Pirus - PHEV
Mitsubishi Outlander - PHEV
BYD
All what Tesla did was incorporate a larger long range battery which all of the above brands could have done had they forecasted the popularity and acceptance of EV
@utsc: Could have done, would have done - fact is they did not. If it was so easy they would be able to match Tesla efficiency but guess what they cannot do that either.
@utsc: Tesla pre-dates literally all of those examples….Tesla drove the popularity and acceptance of EVs
@chrismelba: The Leaf was on sale a year and a bit after the Roadster and delivered 40,000 units. Only 1000 Telsas were made by Jan 2010.
@utsc: If you're going to be picky, none of those companies existed when the EV was invented. Sure, the first ones had even worse range and top speed only slightly faster than an energetic stroll, but first is first! :)
@utsc: Is anyone claiming Tesla invented EV? Is anyone claiming Tesla invented Li-ion/LFP/Na-ion battery?
Was Tesla with an advantage when EV idea restarted in 80's? Tesla as a Lotus kit car assembler has not even started.
Then why bark the wrong tree?
Boss, there is something called "Dunning Kruger Effect" which discusses the topic "People Don't even know what they don't know".
Watch these documentories atleast to inject some shallow level history in your mind when discussing topics like this:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1413496/
Drive tesla for a week and then try test driving all the production cars of all legacy makers including BMW/Audi/Lexus and likes and then you will understand.
@shaybisc: Yes if you totally ignore that Tesla is not just a car company - add utilities, grid scale battery storage, home battery storage, solar panels, tech company.
@shaybisc: 1 Massive data collection
2 If you've ever driven one, you'll understand they currently have a monopoly on the best production EV still
@shaybisc: Copyright or not. Tesla brings value like no other as it stands now. Build quality/Reliability/Manufactureability/Factory throughput/Customer satisfaction etc.
Copyright protection was never tesla's intention and tesla is opensourcing and open licensing as much as they can as a public company.
90% of current tesla customers won't consider any other brand when it is time to purchase/repurchase. That itself is telling the story.
Share market needs constant excitement and Elon knows how to manipulate the blood hounds pretty well. An that has nothing to do with thier product quality or customer satisfaction.
A Tesla is a Tesla is Tesla…
@shaybisc: the competition either keeps going bankrupt or makes cars people don't want to buy at the price they're sold for.
Tesla energy business is growing rapidly with very high margins, the supercharger network will rake in $10 monthly subscriptions from non tesla ev owners or will charge higher charging rates. Tesla insurance will eventually be a significant lower margin high revenue business.
How much will the Optimus bot save tesla and it's major supply partners in labour costs once it's rolled out? Labour is a $30T global TAM.
Then there's what will autonomy be worth in say 2030? based on the progress of version updates in the 12.X, and no longer being constrained on compute power to train the end to end neural nets, I believe their FSB will be better than a human by 2026.
The Cybertruck is pure profit destruction for US OEMs. GM is fracked.
BYD is the only other EV maker than can eek out a profit, though it's unclear how profitable the pure EVs they producte are compared to their hybrids which are at higher volume.
Unless you driv ea lot of KMs current EVs aren't the most economically rational choice for most.
@shaybisc: If you view Tesla as an auto maker your view is correct. Their initial market dominance will (and was always going to) subside. In the next year or so likely that Chinese makers will comfortably overtake Tesla. In 5 years they will possibly be a second tier player.
But they are not primarily an auto maker and the company value lies in their other products.
Useful to read their mission statement…..
Or Oppo, oh wait
+1 because I can still use mi app to control my car, vacuum, light and cooker.
With lithium prices tanking, hopefully the pricing will just keep getting better too. CATL announced they'll knock 50% off the price of a battery by year end, which is $4-5k off the price of materials.
Musk has already said that if free competition happens, everyone is screwed against Chinese cars. The government has made sure they've integrated the entire supply chain and are using it and batteries to support their next growth boom (since the arse has fallen out of their domestic construction industry).
Looking forward to getting a Xiaomi and having it tell me I have to connect it to the Chinese Mainland server.
I mean this is a real threat isn't it? If we have a trade disagreement with China again cant they just send out an update to brick/lock the car OS since these cars connect to WiFi/Mobile? And basically shut down the country when Chinese EVs become a large percent of market. All the controls are by-wire, don't think you could even manually override.
@Kommodore: I was actually just making a joke that half my Xiaomi devices are on the Singapore server and half are forced onto the Chinese mainland one and that you can't integrate the 2 groups at all, but yeah this too.
@eagerfisherman: The fact that you think it's beyond the Chinese to shut down access to internet connected devices/vehicles is insane.
@eagerfisherman: @Kommodore proposed the idea that a threat of buying Chinese cars connected to Chinese mainland IT equipment is that they could shut it down and you said
No? It's not a real threat. Just give it more than like 5 seconds of thought.
So, yes, it is what you said.
@gyrex: That doesn't say they can't do it, try to read all the words in context, it helps with comprehension.
@eagerfisherman: You think Australia will go to war with China because they stopped our cars from moving? lol we'd apologise to them for damaging their car brands image.
@eagerfisherman: The Chinese government has been alleged by ASIO to have conducted cyber terrorism before, why do you think it's beyond them to escalate it if it suits them?
@Kommodore: Well, technically they can do it, but will they?
The US technically owns all the iPhone devices and all the Tesla cars, what if they want to shut down all these devices? Do you think?
What about those countries that own the nuclear heads, what prevents them from bombing other countries? Why not use nuclear heads rather than shut down your Xiaomi car?
I guess they will just do it anyway without telling you.
I have a Model Y and I want a Xiaomi SU7 as welll
Rivian R2 please! Super excited for that one. Really want it here
The R3x also looks so good! Huge throwback to 70's/80's rally icons.
@poppingtags: Wow, that looks awesome.
https://gizmodo.com.au/2024/03/the-rivian-r3x-is-an-electric…
@poppingtags: that it does. I want something a little bigger (family) but that R3X does look amazing.
That'll be much later though. R2 is coming first, 2026/27, then the R3 series
@figarow: It's an old design that's meant to provide better ventilation. Its still used in a few lux sports cars - I've never sat in a seat like that, I'm not sure if it woul be frustrating?
@poppingtags: Have you ever lost something between the seats? Now you will also lose it on the seat.
@figarow: I suppose, but I think that would be a con I'd be willing to accept for seats that looked so good! I also don't drop things between seats very often at all.
Is there anything that company doesn’t make? lol
Crazy how EVs have enabled all these companies to start manufacturing vehicles.
Xiaomi doesn't make all their products. They outsource production and sometime even use their brand to sell existing products of other companies.
Even in this case, manufacturing will be done by Chinese state owned company BAIC.
Xiaomi su7 - for those who want a Taycan but can never afford it 😢
Unfortunately the price won't be that low in Australia… Likely to be around mid to high 70k for SU7 at least, in my opinion.
Also there is no plan yet to bring that car to Australia. Need more competition to keep the prices down especially since the price of lithium tanking.
Can you really compare a Tesla or a well known/build car manufacturer with a Chinese brand?? From my experiences with Chinese branded ICE cars… ohh chalk and cheese.
You are assuming Tesla is a well buit car.
@x d: I also got July 23. Have u checked rattles with tesla? Whole heaps of them are due to seat belts not placed properly
@sauce2k: Had the first rattle in a brand new car sorted out in the first 3 weeks in the driver's B pillar. Now a rattle inside the driver's door. It will need to be taken apart to find it. Have to drive with my arm on the armrest on the driver's door to soften the rattle.
Wiper's shudder from new is also disappointing. Reading owners' issues with air cond compressor failures soon after 80000km does not give me much confidence after warranty runs out.
They are not well built. If they were, none of these issues should be considered to be common.
@tomfool: Not quiet. There is daylight between my Audi and a Tesla. There is also daylight between a Tesla and Chinese auto manufacturing. No assuming needed.
@basketcase86: Tesla is more interested in boosting numbers then quality control, and because Tesla is like a religion their followers make every excuse for the company. Tesla owners make hardened Apple fans seem normal.
I'm not hating on the car, just that the quality is lacking and its well documentated.
Buy a Chinese made internet connected car? Sure… and when Aust. China have a spat, what will you do with your car when it is locked and parked by the side of the road unable to be used?
This already happens with multiple manufacturers including ford. People have parked their car at work and then come out to go home and the update failed and bricked the car. Apparently without any input from the owner.
So you'd rather give money to the CCP than Musk? Not sure how anyone could justify that, but whatever floats your boat.
+1 for Xiaomi SU7, I have been watching testing and walk through videos non stop on bilibili. Would definitely get this over any other EVs available in the AU market!
The lowest-end configuration of the Xiaomi SU7 in China costs $30,000 USD, but only the version priced at $45,000 USD is worth purchasing. Importantly, this is after significant subsidies from the Chinese government. Products manufactured in China through low labor rights and government subsidies are essentially being dumped when exported abroad. To avoid having all job opportunities and potential wage increases taken away, staying away from such temptations is the only choice. Europe has already recognized the harm of this kind of low-price dumping to domestic industrial chains.
EVs have much higher depreciation rates than petrol cars.
Is there any empirical evidence for this claim?
The empirical eveidence is right here
You haven't cited one skerrick of empirical evidence and based on this thread, I highly doubt you know what empirical evidence is. You've just made a claim and said "trust me, it's a published fact" without citing any published facts.
@HeWhoKnows: "I certainly know more than the most here"
LMAO insert McGregor's line: "Who Da FOOK is That Guy?"
I suggest you research the subject yourself
The usual argument of people who believe in alternative facts.
This bodes well when we want to upgrade our current EV to a second hand Model Y in a few years time. Not giving Musky a red cent!