Looks like the tesla Model Y's pricing has come down again. They've also added some new colours Quicksilver and Ultra Red (additional cost), black hubcaps (for RWD and LR) however interior is the same. No more USS and this comes with HW4.
Model Y RWD $63,900
Model Y LR $72,900
Model Y Performance $82,900
Estimated delivery: Apr - Jun 2024
Mine is September 2023 build and does have USS
Overpriced eneloops on wheels
What is an ICE car then - an overpriced smoke machine which needs dinosaur juice to run?
still over priced
Any recommendations on something better value?
Nah, he just want to comment here.
2009 toyota corolla
prob typical person that thinks anything more than their own ideal price is overpriced.
have you seen how expensive hydrogen is?
Not only in $ value to refill and also no such infra currently exists. But imagine, you can potentially blow up more than just your car if it were to catch fire.
My servo only supplies hydrogen with carbon, but apparently they will all have pure hydrogen soon and it will be free because it is made with nuclear energy
You realise if you have a driveway you can top up that 500km every single day, for an absolute fraction of the cost of petrol?
Anyone else waiting for plug in hybrids? In my mind they're the holy grail: pure EV mode around town, hybrid model when going on road trips where you can fill up wherever/whenever
what could go wrong… two drive trains… more things to fail and maintain
And then gov changes laws like they did in nz and tax you twice =)
I dont think it is the ultimate solution, instead, it only exists because EV is not yet perfect at this moment (but getting there), it is just a product for this transition period. Similar to 10 years ago some touchscreen phones also had physical full-size keyboards….. Now who uses it?
EV mode around town carrying a load of moving parts that are not in use (engine, transmission etc), ICE model carrying heavy battery that is not in use… So you don't get the beauty from either being purely ICE or EV, but the hassle from both sides.
That's a fair comment.
I guess I'll stick to ICE for a few more years until charging infrastructure is more established outside the cities
How many kms do you drive per day? I've owned an EV for 2 years and never used a public charger. For reference we've clocked 40k kms on the odometer in the 2 years.
@gyrex: I think the question should be how OFTEN do you do road trips and WHERE are you travelling up to. Most people just over think then spend money on something that they never use: e.g. Non stop driving for 7 hours….. Driving to outback that has no charging station
@dajackal Read my comment below that I wrote to someone admiring his mate's car can go 700km…
"hope your mate's bladder has that range as well (just a joke).
Most people need to pee every 2-3 hours, and for safety purpose you need to stretch or eat lets say 15-20mins …taking that time to supercharge your car is more than enough. I have done a few times Sydney Mildura Adelaide, Adelaide Melbourne Sydney never had any range anxiety, more and more charging stations are being built, and every hour or so you will have a charging station.
Of course, if you are driving to Urulu that's another story."
I'd rather wait for higher capacity batteries.
PHEV = maintaining both a battery and combustion system. Sounds horrible. One of the main benefits of EVs is the simplicity with no real servicing.
I know there are many rich people on OzB, but has everyone paid off their houses, so they are happy to spend $65k+ on a car? Or just cannot afford a house anymore, so spending on a car?
option b for sure
You can put a bed in Tesla. so best option
For this price one can buy a used car + mobile home
but you cant wake up looking at the sky
ozb is run by a bunch of teals that own their home with solar and like to preach everyone how good their life choices are
Yes to all except the teal bit.
Definitely not a teal, but was able to buy my own home and get solar after many years in the workforce.
Waited a long time for a bargain deal on a used EV because it's so affordable to run. Even if you don't give a fig about the environment, solar + EV is a great combination for lower cost of living.
I love OzBargain because I'm definitely not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I hate paying more than I have to.
I will never go back to ICE, EV is just plain better for my use.
ok not sure about other states in NSW even though it says $63,900, the driveaway is actually $69242 lol
Check description
yeh sorry didn't factor in, although still more than what I paid in July 2023 without rebate
Edit: it was $68,301 drive away in July
Edit 2: ok haven’t been keeping up to date with rules, NSW charges stamp duty now. ;(
was 72000 driveaway with about 2.2k stamp duty rebate
prices have gone up since July last year then. Haven't been checking.
actually mine was with a paint option
Looking to get a second hand EV in a few years time as a metro run about with charging at home at night. Keepping my Hybrid RAV4 for distance trips without any range anxiety.
man my mate got his Rav4 delivered recently 700+km without filling up…now that's a beast lol
Yep,Recently made the Adelaide to Melbourne trip in my hybrid Rav4 without needing a refill. But you can do that in a Diesel vehicle as well.
RAV4 looks good man, enjoy!
hope your mate's bladder has that range as well (just a joke).
Most people need to pee every 2-3 hours, and for safety purpose you need to stretch or eat lets say 15-20mins …taking that time to supercharge your car is more than enough. I have done a few times Sydney Mildura Adelaide, Adelaide Melbourne Sydney never had any range anxiety, more and more charging stations are being built, and every hour or so you will have a charging station.
Of course, if you are driving to Urulu that's another story.
Ahhaha fair cal mate
BYO solar panels
do you know how long he had to wait for delivery? I was told 15 months wait in february
My mate waited for almost 19 months and maybe more
for the price of the new paint colours, you may as well get it wrapped!
Not true. A good wrap job costs $5000+ while paint in other colours other than white costs 1.5k or 3k for red
3k for red and silver… can get full vinyl for 4k
Don't most people prefer it white anyway..?
It's 2024 mate. You can't say that.
I have not had a drive of a Y but I have driven a Model 3. Did not seem to be put together that well and once the OMG factor of the acceleration wore off, it felt a bit… Mazda6-ish to me.
Had a close look at the Luxeed S7 in a Huawei showroom in Shanghai last month. If we buy an electric sedan in the next few years, it will be that one or the Xiaomi SU7. The price of both cars look to be around the same as a Y.
Will look at a Y but I am not thinking of it as a serious option at atm. Sorry Elon.
Seen the YouTube vids of all the electric car fires in China? :)
That's fine, everyone has their own preferences! Some people love the simple feel of a 3, some don't.
100% agree. I have a mate who has a 3, loves it (and his last to cars were Audi A6s). Says he will never go back to ICE
Just don't plan on going long trips during busy holidays in these just yet.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13262449/Tesla-char…
iTesla zombies disagree.
Yeah this made news because its a bit out of the ordinary (just as petrol station queues make news when oil shortages happen or prices are about to skyrocket).
For me, I drove up to Port Macquarie over Easter in my Model Y and didn't need to stop at all. Stopped at Sovereign Place Town Centre about 10 mins from Port Mac to get some groceries before checking in to our accommodation and car charged from 20% to 75% in the 15 mins I was shopping at 1 of the 12 Tesla superchargers there. Was awesome! Only 2 of the 12 chargers were being used including me so was no issue. I went up there 3-4 times over the long weekend and there were never more than 2-3 cars using one of the 12 chargers.
Meanwhile, I drove past the Petrol station a few times and there were cars queueing to fill up before taking off and my charging cost $50 all up for the 4 days whilst last year when we did the same trip in my wife's car, we spend about $250 on petrol.
So spend $69000 to save $200? In 5 years will it be worth it?
What a dumb argument. So was your ICE car free? I have one of each and the EV cost about $75K and the ICE car about $95K, so about $20K more than the EV. There seems to be some braindead view that EVs are for the 'rich' when actually, they're priced pretty well. They're not at all 'rich (profanity)' cars.
As someone who owns one of each:
My EV charging costs in the last 12 months - $50 (mostly charge during my OVO energy plan's 3 free hours)
My EV servicing/repair costs - $0
Petrol costs - $0 (obviously)
Grand total in terms of running costs for the last 12 months - $50
My ICE car petrol costs in the last 12 months - $2800
My ICE car servicing/repair costs in the last 12 months - $3500 (including a few repairs for parts that were leaking oil etc)
Grand total in terms of running costs for the last 12 months - $6300
As someone who owns both, I would bet if I add up all costs for the 2 cars across the next 5 years and factor in what I lose in depreciation once I sell, the 10% gap in depreciation rate will be MORE than covered by the running costs I saved on. I'm saving over $6K a year on running costs on the EV vs the ICE car it replaced
@dontbeatightarse: Ahhhh gotcha so you're just hating because you drive a lil piece of junk
Regardless, as I showed you above, the most popular ICE SUV costs more than the most popular EV SUV, so there is no 'EV premium.'
Glad we could bust this myth for you! LOL
@jay889344: No, it's not worth it. I can buy one if I wanted but would never do it. I don't just follow the hordes and I rebel against the system.
@dontbeatightarse: Thats your decision. Good for you. I will likely always have one of each, so I don't have a 'horse' in the race but as I said, I have both sitting in my garage right now and the numbers are definitely stacking up for me even without factoring in the tax savings I will get having the EV on a salary sacrifice. Its just annoying to hear people who don't have experience of both and all the costs associated talking as if they know everything about it…
Driving a friend's car for a month doesn't count for anything…..
I sailed on a boat for 6 weeks once. I'm not out here acting like I'm Captain Cook though…
@dontbeatightarse: 'I rebel against the system.' OMG I actually just burst out laughing.
Wowwwwwww you're so edgy and cool…
@dealsucker: What do you mean what's my point? Why would I spend 70k to save $50 a week in petrol? I can get a nice cheap run around. Get in an accident in a Tesla see how "cheap" it gets to replace panels.
@dontbeatightarse: You realise your argument about your cheap Mazda 3 is irrelevant to the EV vs ICE car thing right? Because why would you spend $70K on a new Rav 4 or Hyundai i30 when your Mazda 3 will be way cheaper to insure and run than both.
You should just give up this line of argument. You're lost brother and you've got yourself all tangled up in your own farcical arguments
@jay889344: Ohhhh you're so smart and "edgy". My argument is very valid, your Tesla is a hunk of junk. Get in an accident see how "cheap" it gets to fix.
@dontbeatightarse: LOL you are hilariously duuuumbbbbbbbbb…..you've been proven wrong on nearly every single thing you said and yet you continue. You should change your username to dontbeadumbarse
@redfox1200: Those costs apply to both my ICE and EV cars and there is basically no difference, so there was no benefit to including that…
Unfortunately you really need to make things as simple as possible for a lot of people on here
@boretentsu: The Tesla drove about 22K and the ICE car about 12K (my wife just drives to work 15 mins away and back most days). We take the Tesla whenever we're going somewhere together because its essentially free thx to the free charging.
Quick explainer for the free charging - I go to the gym every morning and my local shopping centre the gym is in has 3 free EV charging spots. Between that and the free 3 hours I get on my OVO energy plan each day, I've only needed to pay for charging when we go away for holidays.
@jay889344: Mate, let it go.
Since I own an EV, the first thing I learnt was never to spend your time arguing with someone who doesn't own one or has even never had a test drive.
They just don't understand and refuse to, and ironically they are the ones proactively firing the debate for whatever reasons. They pretend they know more than you do, even without owing one.
They would be the same batch of "smart" people riding horses and mocking people driving cars 200 years ago.
@NoBargainNoLife: You're right mate. Its just so nonsensical to hear people talk like they know everything when only a few of us have had both right? I'm just gonna ignore this dude now…he's absolutely lost in his own contradictory arguments
@jay889344: Always find it funny when idiots compare price of brand new EV to some old sh!t box ICE car and say EVs are expensive and don't save you any money. Brain dead argument.
@keejoonc: LOL seriously. Dude's dumba$$ argument was that he drives a $4K Mazda around which is SO much cheaper than a Tesla. Mate of course thats cheaper than a Tesla which is cheaper than the Rav 4 I have, both of which are the most popular SUVs in EV and ICE categories respectively.
Brain dead hit the nail on the head mate!
Good for you it works out but the point of the news article is the charging infrastructure needs to catch up and possibly the technology to improve charging times to for make it hassle free and valid for all parts of the country. Queing is not the only issue, the time it takes too. And yes it does apply to a certain extent for ICE vehicles but nowhere near the EVs. Infrastructure hasn't caught up with the recent boom of EV sales whethere you like it or not
Agree the charging infrastructure needs to keep improving. However, its now good enough that you can go for holidays and not have to worry. Thats the only time you'd ever have theoretically had to think about it.
Then the rest of the time, add to that the convenience you get everyday of being able to just plug in at home. Its like having a free petrol bowser in your garage for your ICE car. Thats different to 12 months ago and in 12 months from now, it will be even better.
Took my new M3 on a road trip over Easter from Sydney to Port Macquarie and back with two kids 5 and 1.
Best road trip experience ever. Kids entertained, autopilot on highways amazing, supercharging experience was a breeze.
THIS. What a coincidence we both went to the same place too. I was just writing a comment to the guy above you and my experience was awesome too.
I also drove up to Port Macquarie over Easter in my Model Y and didn't need to stop at all. Stopped at Sovereign Place Town Centre about 10 mins from Port Mac to get some groceries before checking in to our accommodation and car charged from 20% to 75% in the 15 mins I was shopping at 1 of the 12 Tesla superchargers there. Was awesome! Only 2 of the 12 chargers were being used including me so was no issue. I went up there 3-4 times for groceries or for lunch/dinner over the long weekend and there were never more than 2-3 cars using one of the 12 chargers.
Meanwhile, I drove past the Petrol station at Lighthouse shopping centre a few times and there were cars queueing to fill up each time and my charging cost $50 all up for the 4 days whilst last year when we did the same trip in my wife's car, we spend about $250 on petrol.
Yep, it was our first long trip on with the car so while the car said it would make it to Port Macq with 19% remaining we stopped at Heatherbrae and Sovereign Place just to get a break for the kids and charge. Plus I wasn't sure of charging options in Port Macq before the holiday.
Autopilot on the highway meant we were so refreshed going in it didn't feel long at all. Game changer.
The NRMA holiday park with 4 chargers at 22kW (public accessible) and 20c/kwh is a no brainer. Fantastic holiday at cheap prices.
Lowest prices, are just the beginning.
Ive always wanted a Beemer, especially the M3
Pretty sure it's a twin turbo? The wagon looks especially good (obviously except the front end though), but unfortunately you can't have it as a manual for some reason like you can with the sedan
does anyone hate the wooden finish?
Nope….you will get over it
I actually like it more than the other option, white
Lmao m3p down over $20k since my mate bought their one not including depreciation. How are those EV savings looking lads? xD
You act like ICE cars don't also depreciate massively as the tyres hit the road. From the analysis carexpert did, they found on average, EVs depreciate 49% in the first 5 years whilst for ICE cars, its 39%, so just a 10% difference.
However, as someone who owns one of each:
My EV charging costs in the last 12 months - $50 (mostly charge during my OVO energy plan's 3 free hours)
My EV servicing/repair costs - $0
Petrol costs - $0 (obviously)
Grand total in terms of running costs for the last 12 months - $50
My ICE car petrol costs in the last 12 months - $2800
My ICE car servicing/repair costs in the last 12 months - $3500 (including a few repairs for parts that were leaking oil etc)
Grand total in terms of running costs for the last 12 months - $6300
As someone who owns both, I would bet if I add up all costs for the 2 cars across the next 5 years and factor in what I lose in depreciation once I sell, the 10% gap in depreciation rate will be MORE than covered by the running costs I saved on
You act like ICE cars don't also depreciate massively as the tyres hit the road.
You're acting like EV's don't have a ridiculous premium added. 10% difference in depreciation is a lot larger when you add the extra $20k it costs to buy the EV in the first place.
My ICE car servicing/repair costs in the last 12 months - $3500
That year is an outlier, average the total out over the age of the car and it will be considerably lower.
It wasn't even the highest year in terms of repair costs actually. The 3 years I owned a BMW that was JUST out of warranty cost me nearly $15K in repairs. That $3500 in the last 12 months was probably closer to the average. As if people aren't often paying $300 - $500 for each car service. Even if you look at Mycar servicing costs on their website right now, they advertise it at $269 and thats JUST checking on everything and giving you 8L of 'premium oil.' Heaven forbid you actually need things replaced or there are issues or you're gonna be paying WAY more than that advertised $269
Also what EV premium are you talking about? My ICE car cost $20K more than my EV did. At $63,900 for the Tesla Model Y, its pretty decent pricing for an SUV
Lastly, will petrol prices get lower in coming years? Because if not, I should adjust that to increase each year too
@jay889344: You're comparing a premium Euro to an average EV then wondering why the ICE costs more, are you serious right now?
This is why I don't take anyone seriously when they say "My EV costs less than my ICE" because you have no idea if they're comparing it to a 2010 Camry or a 2024 Bugatti.
@cheekymonkey97: My Tesla Model Y - $63,900
My wife's Rav 4 AWD - $64,211
The extra $20K I referenced was what I bought my previous Mercedes CLA for which was replaced with the Tesla.
However, even taking the Rav 4 example (the most popular SUV in Aus), it was more expensive than the Tesla so your claim about a 'ridiculous premium' to quote you is just plain wrong.
Both the Tesla Model Y and the Rav 4 are the 2 most popular SUVs in EV and ICE ranges respectively, so very comparable
Its OK to just admit you were wrong about the 'ridiculous premium' mate. Its a common myth amongst EV haters
Also, keep in mind that BYD cars are a decent amount cheaper than Tesla ones, so actually, you're paying a premium to get a Rav 4 over either a Tesla Model Y or a BYD Atto3
@jay889344: He’s clearly a hater never driven an EV. Don’t spend too much energy against a bystander that doesn’t know any better except driving his 50 year old ICE car.
@sauce2k: Facts my man. Some of us have both ICE and EV cars, but sure, I'll take cheekymonkey's myths and lies over my real world experience right? Haha. You can't help some people. LOL
@jay889344: You can’t win mate. These guys get an erection each time a news article or social media feed posts something negative about EV.
@sauce2k: Lmao, I drove my aforementioned mates EV around for about a month. Don't get me wrong, I think EV's are the future but to think they save you money is just delulu. You can spin any way you want, but all you EV owners just sound like you're trying to convince yourself more than you are anyone else.
@cheekymonkey97: Mate nobody here is trying to convince anyone, sharing experience that’s all. Thanks for letting us know you have only driven for a month lol, making your comment even less convincing.
If you think saving money driving EV is delusional let’s just stop it right now. I doubt you drove your mate’s car for a month but let’s just say you did, you doing it wrong if you are spending more money charging vs petrol.
Yeh look legend you clearly can do a bit of general maths, however, your comment about EV savings clearly shows you are a hater that reads comments off your social media feeds and have never driven an EV. The saving talks about ongoing cost, no servicing, cheaper to charger etc.
You can't even order a M3P yet so where are you pulling this 20k figure from?
JAN 24 build Model Y still has USS