Looks like the tesla Model Y's pricing has come down again. They've also added some new colours Quicksilver and Ultra Red (additional cost), black hubcaps (for RWD and LR) however interior is the same. No more USS and this comes with HW4.
Model Y RWD $63,900
Model Y LR $72,900
Model Y Performance $82,900
Estimated delivery: Apr - Jun 2024
More E's and more V's
Model 3 prices are still showing $61900 for RWD; with ORC $66300. Ah, looks like you have updated the post just with Model Y :)
Seems to be a response/in anticipation of Kia's EV5 announcement which will fall around this price range or maybe just under…also built in China so they'll have fairly decent stock
After sitting in Kia EV1(80k) and EV9(130k) I concluded it's far too expensive compared to Tesla to be a true competitor
Side mirror cameras are also a gimmick
Korean cars are trying to piggyback on EVs to position themselves as premium as against their current image of utilitarian vehicles but the strategy is gradually failing.
The EV5 is on a different platform and is made in china to get the pricing to the Tesla model Y levels, it won't have the charging capability the EV6/9 have but most of the other bells and whisltes are there, i would have loved to give the EV9 a go but not paying those prices for a Kia. I'll give it a test drive when it's out and see if its spacious enough for us, it's a good option for those who have companies who allow novated leases, minus GST and pay for it pre-tax (still not as good as having cash but not everyone has that :) )
Look up Kia EV sales vs Tesla in Australia before coming up with nonsense such as this.
Yes because that tells me why they have a cheaper option coming to compete with Tesla modelY at volumes that BYD and Tesla produce … Why don't you go do some research before coming up with your nonsense reply.
And I am telling you that they wont be competitive looking at the pricing of their current EV products vis a vis Tesla. They have to match the spec, tech, range, efficiency and price, not just price.
No Tesla have regularly been cutting price, nothing new here.
Has the Y changed much since it was launched? I know the 3 has recently had a fairly significant change (i have seen quite a few on the roads recently) but the Y seems the same still. RE used pricing, the cheapest Y is $57k which is a 2022 with 30k on the odo - seems like theyve held pretty well, no?
Biggest change will be removal of USS. Also addition of pws and parcel shelf.
Model Y refresh delayed till 2025.
Not worth buying secondhand but prices have held up well
Improved suspension and the unfortunate removal of USS
Few of my workmates own a Model 3/Y and good lord, the last time i heard so many squeaks and rattles was from the 2nd hand 90's hyundai excel I used to take to uni.
Not having engine sounds make you notice lot more rattling and creaking sounds 🤭🤭🤭
Cool story but sounds like BS.
Rode in the back of a 5 day old Y last week, and the ride was too harsh/firm for me and heard a number of rattles which drive me mad.
go take the new model 3 out, dead silent inside.
Yeah went for a test drive of the Y, the suspension was an immediate hard no, I cant believe anyone bought that thing.
Was one of the newer ones or 1-2 years ago, they've improved the suspension as per https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AjHyp1IHXY
Looks like EV hype is finally coming to an end with Hybrids sales soaring in the Norther Hemisphere. No wonder we are seeing a huge discount on them recently. Hopefully we catch up with them soon.
• Electric-Vehicle Shoppers Hesitate, Hybrid Sales Surge
• US automakers race to build more hybrids as EV sales slow
• EV Sales Pace Is Running Short Of Power Going Into 2024
I am totally down with Toyota betting on hybrids instead of 100 battery.
Yep, I also support Toyota accelerating their own demise.
Toyota are betting on Hydrogen, they themselves do not see a future in hybrids.
Hypothesis: It makes sense really, since all those who were ready to buy have slowly adopted as they sussed out the market, and so that pool has reduced and its now the slower feed of live transitions from not-ready-for-EV into ready-for-EV which dominates sales but at a lower rate. With hybrids there is very little to transition to. The only trade off is some increased complexity in your car.
I'm open to both hybrid and pure EV. I'm a little bit indecisive on which way to go.
The only reason hybrids are taking off is that the big 3 have gone into survival mode before they are gone, Stalantis is already dead, they just haven’t announced it, Jeep hasn’t made new parts for any of its cars for 2 years, its impossible to get Jeeps even brand new ones repaired.
Fords going to need another bailout so have flipped from “buy our EVs” to telling customers EVs are dead as they make 10s of thousands in loss with each one they sell so they have stopped production just to survive
If other counties like China etc are making huge gains with EV and Tesla has reduced its output to still be higher than the rest combined during high inflation thats not because people don’t want them, its because people cant afford them, they are trying to pay bills and feed their families.
ICE is dead, Hybrids a stop gap and more expensive to run as more parts, more issues. Fuel cells a joke advertised as clean when it’s just as dirty to produce as ICE.
This slow down is a correction and it will take off again once the US gets the USD to be less worthless than it normally is and inflation gets under control globally.
Stellantis share price is going great!!
Even the Biden Administration estimates that electric cars will make up only 21% of new car sales in 2050…this means that just 13% of all cars in 2050 will be electric. Tulip bulbs and Snake Oil.
https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/narrative/consumption/sub-t…
But its also good to note possible reasons why (for example discontinuation of subsidies in Germany, change of policy in France etc.)
think petrol in US is cheaper than in other major markets so that might be a deciding factor
Does this bring the Performance under the luxury car tax limit for novated lease for EVs?
Yes it does.
No FBT for EVs < $89,332. Looks like the No-Frills (White) Performance is eligible. Nice!
Tossing up between the Model Y Performance and the BYD Seal Performance for $16k cheaper 🤔
Test drive both and then make your decision.
@Heybargain: they are different even just sitting inside … the seal isn’t like byd lower models, much nicer.
I just picked up my Model Y last week.
$2k drop is nice. This is why I will return the car after 3 years lease. The depreciation will be tremendous.
No squeaks or rattles at this current time and just clocked 1000km.
You know you need to pay for any deficit between the pay out and the cars value, right? You don't get to just hand the keys over and walk away.
What are you paying for the lease over the 3 years?
https://www.amazon.com.au/nextzett-91480615-Gummi-Pflege-Rub… No squeaks hey - buy now thank me later.
Tremendous depreciation compared to what?
Anything from Europe falls into a hole after warranty runs out, many are very difficult to sell at any sort of good price.
The only exception seems be be Toyota RAV4s etc but even they dip heavily.
Plus EVs are on a cheapening cycle while ICE cars are doing the opposite.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Model 3 is $50k new here in three years with their small car at $35k.
ICE cars will be wiped out.
ICE cars will be wiped out.
LOL. Good luck with that.
How do you suggest lower socio-economic families will survive when they can no longer buy a car for under 5K?
By wiped out I mean new ICE cars. Their economies of scale and supply chain will collapse. Cars are only affordable because they are made in such high volumes. The ICE supply chain and EV supply chain are mostly different.
ICE cars will then cost much more than EVs but have high maintenance costs and dramatically higher fuel costs. Game over.
Remember when Ford abandoned Australian production in 2016? The Australian parts supply chain could not survive on two automakers. Toyota and Holden quit a year later.
The same sort of thing will happen worldwide but slower.
Secondhand ICE cars will persist until the Greenies ban them here.
Just a prediction.
The car isn't brand new. I wouldn't buy a phone well after it releases and complain when there is a discount shortly after.
No, thanks
Shipping kills it for me
- $1,400 Delivery fee
Message Musk on twitter and ask him to drop it to $420. I bet he'd do it.
He said, I'm fired
I think you mean X (Formerly Twitter)
check with your employer because many have a tie up with Tesla for $0 delivery fees.
Corporate program ended in 2022
this brings the driveaway price closer to what it was last year when most states didn't have stamp duty on it, like NSW
So if you could get a free
BYD Seal or a free Tesla Model 3 what would you choose?
I own both. The Tesla is better. But you would hope so because it costs more. The BYD is very good value for money.
Need to charge on a public holiday? Prepare to wait in a line.
and plan your trip as your car wants to rather than how you want to.
Would you say EVs ruin the weekend?
they demand more and deliver less. hydrogen EVs are the solution, BEVs are not.
@backupper1: Go and buy one then. Oh wait.
Even if you could buy one have fun trying to fill it up.
BEV? Fill it up at home. Easy.
@tp0: its very easy to generate hydrogen using a batter and water, there is no reason it cannot be commercialised for a home top up.
@backupper1: There is, you need to compress it as at atmospheric pressure the volume required to be useful in a vehicle would be ridiculous. The idea that you could just make it at home falls apart at many aspects, compression, net energy gain etc. It's basic science mostly physics.
Or just charge at home like most people do.
Living in Australia and still worried about public holiday. Bruh, we only have 3-5 PH lol.
Go to Philippines and you know what is PUBLIC HOLIDAYS all about lol.
obviously because AU is far different to PH, e.g. pag pag chicken is famous in PH but its unimaginable in AU.
Then how it affects the charging? You feed your family with Pagpag?
@backupper1: Since you are a Rabbitohs fan. I will happily accept your comment. The most "distinctive" people.
I know the common thread here will be depreciation and battery woes etc.
But colleague has a Model S P85D from 2015/2016 thereabouts. Had a good mix of charging home and supercharger etc, but mostly home. 150k km
Battery range has dropped maybe 30-40km and maybe that's hovering around 10% degradation etc.
For his use case and retiredness, it'll be a forever car to him since there's not much point to upgrade since the motors are tip top still, brakes are still on original set and electrically all is good, Tesla quoted a replcement battery for $14k if it came to that and would be like new again.
I mean it's not going to be a popular opinion here but i'm finding that there's less of a need/desire to change cars every x years with EV platforms. Like sure there's some newer tech etc and fancier things to be had but 10 year old Model S still looks, feels and drives like new minus a bit less range at full charge..
Is it more the "depreciation" sell it before it's worth less and not sunk cost and let someone else ride it out till nil value or a need to change with newer features/designs/fashions?
Mathematically speaking say over a lifetime;
Buy car for $100k for example, depreciates 10% a year or something, and sell/leaseback 3 yearly; and buy new, rinse repeat.
Or
Buy car for $100k, ride it out and say lose 50% over longer term, then sell and pay the upgrade.
are they going to be much financially different these two approaches..
P85D is a cracker car loaded with practical stuff as well. It won’t make any sense to move off it to half baked model 3 or Y.
Model S built much more differently than Model 3 or Y
Technically it should last a really really long time before you'll need to replace the battery, controller or motors. In theory it should outlast a petrol car.
But the issue is the same as with any piece of electronic equipment/appliance.
One day a laptop could be working perfectly fine, turn it off, dead the next morning. Same with an audio amplifier, or a solar powered garden light, washing machine.
I'm scared of EVs just throwing error codes and putting the car into limp mode randomly. And you can't fix it yourself… it always needs to be brought into the dealer. (There aren't many independant shops that fix them).
A petrol car usually never fails like a switch. Either it'll be hard to start, leak oil/coolant, blow smoke, etc. And even then there are tonnes of engines at the wreckers.
I love EVs, but until the day parts and sofrware are sold to the public. I refuse to buy an EV.
I am waiting until they start at $50k
Model 2 in the works might hit that
Referee no longer gets any discounts, referrer just gets 7500 credits or something to buy free merch
Damn that sucks. Was $750 off or something when I bought mine. Guess the price drops meant they got the axe
They have enough demand it no longer makes sense to discount referrals
The Chinese just got off their chair and the EV makers started trembling. Once they come out in full force it would be a wipe out unless the EV makers get their act together.
Provided they don’t wipe them self out first.
There’s only one Chinese EV maker making money the rest are loosing money.
Finally positive changes in prices.
MG Is slashing by $1000
Hyundai/ Mitsubishi etc are offering $1000-3000
Tesla / BYD is discounting by few Ks
Toyota is having shorter waiting times
Finally car companies greed is getting over or Covid hangover vanishing or no more excess money 💰 with people…
Performance just under LCT threshold now - that's an easy sales pump
Ozbargain people are loaded to be able to afford these. Cars are a depreciating liability. Better to buy a second hand unit if you want to save money.
Just because you like a bargain doesn’t mean you don’t have any money or don’t like good things.
These forums are full of Millionaires and Billionaires upvoting save $5 deals.
Or better yet - the Shopback deals where you can get $1 for free. They're some of the most upvoted deals on here even though the amount is not even worth going through the hassle for.
But used ones are more expensive! maybe not for long
Really? Even with all the negative sentiment?
If you do a lot of KMs (30,000+ a year for me) and can do a novated lease they actually just make a lot of sense financially.
Due to my KMS and having a big solar system at home, buying an EV was borderline a "free" car vs petrol and servicing my ICE car.
Wish this price cut happened on Feb when I was on the market for a new car. Hopefully in 5 years time EV prices would be better priced
wake me when its sub $40k, its all that its worth really
Gumtree with 200k km record is your chance with your $40k. Keep sleeping.
i mean i wouldn't even pay $40k for this POS but ok
Spoken like someone who has never been in one
where does it say there is no more USS and comes with HW4? I thought it was only the updated Model 3 that had this?
What advantages does this motorcar have over say, a train - which I could also afford?