I messed up and got scammed out of $226 [EDIT: Or not?]

Long story short, on Thursday someone on gumtree said they had concert tickets, asked if I could pick them up. I said I couldn't as I lived a few hours away, they said no problem, if I add another $6 they could post them. There were a few things that made this look legitimate (mainly that they were willing to meet up so it really looked like they had the tickets), and my girlfriend is going crazy for these tickets and I told her I'd try to get some for her for her birthday… So I did a bank transfer and sent this girl the money.

The next day, I didn't get the tracking number I was promised, and since then the phone has been off every time I've tried to call it. She did say I'd receive it Monday, so there's still a chance that I'll receive it, but it's looking very, very slim.

Is there anything I can do? I knew the risk when I did it, and if I do just have to cop the loss, so be it, but I have her name (possible alias…), email, phone number, suburb and bank details, so I'm hoping that something can be done.

EDIT: BSB was 880100… it's prepaid Visa cards. I got scammed 100%.

Will the cops help? You need ID to register a prepaid SIM, right?

EDIT 2: So, I don't know how this happened, but the money is back in my account, minus a $2.50 "return fee" from the bank. I have no idea.

Comments

    • Two words come to mind, 'administrative headache'… Anonymity is an issue, Harry this week could be Joe next week operating from Maccas wifi..

  • -2

    Tell the bank it's unauthorised transaction and then wait abit and you should have your refund easily.

    • +4

      But it was authorised.

  • You should have got their address telling them you'd pick up, then tell them you've changed your mind and see if they'd send it to you, this way if they don't send it to you, you have their address at least, you've both got each other by the balls.. they've got your money and you've got their address..

    • And then the address turns out to be fake.

  • +4

    may be you should call Australia post card Customer Support 1300 665 054, they might do something

    faq saying "Pay Anyone loads take a minimum of 2 business days to reach your card"

  • Maybe SMS them n say u can pick them up now. I dunno, think it was an opportunistic crime, she just thought hey Ive just got a shit load of free money maybe I just wont answer his calls wot can he do etc etc. Feel bad for you tho, hope theres something u can do, maybe try calling the police n c wot they say.

  • we are selling an iphone via gumtree. someone came to see it yesterday and no wonder they were super cautious! they even rang it to make sure its the same phone for sale. they came to our house.. lol wow but i dont blame them. i wouldnt buy anything on gumtree unless it was exchanged in person.

  • I lost $315 in a scam from Gumtree. Felt like shit for days but got over it and just did some extra shifts at work. Kinda feel sorry for the low life scum who did it.

  • +33

    I ordered a Russian bride and got a donkey, you can't win them all but the sex is great.

    • +1

      I like how you always look at things from the bright side.

  • +3

    Karma mate.
    If that number ain't fake. Put it on here? and ill Spam the crap out of it. and scare the bejesus out of them if they pick up.

    • +2

      I'll do the same!

      • Lets do it. Imagine an army of OZBs spamming it. They will never mess with an Ozbargainer again.

        • +1

          You can try but it's most likely a throwaway number for that scam-transaction only.

  • -1

    All mobile phone numbers in Australia are linked to a driver's license or passport.

    If the police won't help you, you can use the national databases the private investigators use. Question is how much time and energy can you be bothered spending :p

    If you have any PI friend's best to speak to them.

    • +1

      Supposedly linked.

    • +2

      All mobile phone numbers in Australia are linked to a driver's license or passport.

      Yes but if you online-activate one, it doesn't require true verification.. just the correct amount of digits.

    • Untrue for Prepaid I think.

  • +1

    Mate sorry about the loss
    If you want to trace her you should open a case in court and ask police for help soon as right away.
    you should trace that phone number even if not correct info and ID used still there are plenty of useful information. They absolutely use this phone, it is not just charging it and receiving calls! So do not be it, go catch them.
    The other thing is the visa debit card, they need to spend the money so be quick. Maybe you could get it back if you were quick and asked the bank for reverse transfer for scamming. Go talk to bank.

    You should have done this so far. the court will trace the activities in the card.
    meanwhile contact them and ask what happened? and tell them you think it is being scammed and you will not leave this but nothing about your plan. Maybe they will return the money if not the ticket.

    Remember in the case claim all expenses for legal and all costs coming through this, even your spiritual situation and your girlfriend sadness, or for commuting to court and off time you had to put through this
    I wish you get back your money even more, it only may take some effort and time.

    keep us updated pls
    these people are scum as hell

    • Court expense will be more than $300

    • +1

      Does anyone know if those seller "ratings" are fair dinkum on gumtree? When they say eg. "88% satisfied customers" or "valued merchant" etc…

  • +1

    I don't understand why don't criminals have a brain when they steal stuff. What is the point on stealing something small in the first place. If you get caught then then you may get charged for something small. Why not just go big and make it big??

    Just reminds me a few years ago, someone broke into my old crappy car with nothing in it and took nothing except for a broken door that would never lock properly again. I mean I was next to these luxury cars that probably had a ton of more valuables in their cars but nup.. lets go for the crappiest looking car.. there must be thousands of dollars worth of crap in here..

    If I ever was going to be a thief and ruin my life like that.. you might as well be dodgy for millions of dollars rather than a hundreds..

    • +2

      Ones that do get away are acutally pretty smart imo, they know what people will fall for and are good at manipulating.
      I think its less risker to steal small things in large volumes, than one big chunk. For a couple hundred, most people will probably let it go. If it was thousands or millions each time, most people wont let it go.

      Reminds me of this cashier at Flinders Uni, who stole $27 million from the Uni, bit by bit over a couple of years.

    • +1

      At sums that small, the police is more inclined to dismiss the case, thus they go scot-free. Now if the police actually bothered or had the time to look into it, they would quickly realise it's usually the same buncha people and they have stolen easily thousands of dollars.

      Unfortunately the police in this country are too busy with speeding fines and more serious crimes such as break-ins, assaults, murders, shootings etc.

      • What do you mean? Police regularly attent shoplifters who take $10 goods from big w, spend 2 hours with them, eventually give them a caution. But at least they are in the system, so after a few cautions they end up in court with a record

    • Unfortunately many cases you're dealing with drug addicts. There is little reason in some of the things that they do.

      I once had a Nokia 8210 (a while ago, but it was still a POS at the time, iphones etc were around). Maybe it was worth $20 at best, esp without a charger. Left it on a passenger seat and got a smashed window for it.

      Cost to me $270 - smashed window
      Benefit to thief - $20 at cash converters

      That's what bugs me! Police apparantly have cases where windows were smashed for 50 cents seen in view.

      • +1

        I never lock my car for this reason. I've never had a stolen car, but I've lost count of the times people have gone through them. When I used to lock, I had a few locks need replacing. Of course, I leave nothing valuable behind.

        If someone is intent on stealing my car, I don't think a locked door is going to stop them, considering it doesn't stop them when - as you say - trying to get 50 cents.

  • I had a bad experience with gumtree… My partner tried to sell a car and a "buyer" tried to scam us into sending him money… There are a lot of scammers on that site so I would avoid it… When I contacted gumtree with the full story and details they couldn't care less and told me to keep being careful. I would have gone to the police and considered it for a while in case they had scammed others but since we didn't lose any money I didn't think they would have cared or investigated it.

  • +1

    I once bought a video card on Gumtree. He asked me to transfer the money first then he'll send the item. I didn't think much, I send the money straight away. After I sent it, I called him he didn't pick up. No messages either. Later that day he replied me saying he forgot to take pic of the tracking number. I was so worried I got scammed. That happened on Thursday. On Monday the item arrived by post. I was so happy, but I really hate it ruined my weekend :( Lesson learned, no more buying by post through gumtree.

    • +2

      True, when I buy from gumtree I always look for local seller and ALWAYS pick up in person in exchange for the payment.

  • +1

    If youre with ANZ theres fraud protection(or similar at your bank), and i think youre covered for the loss, it's built into the banks insurance i think

    • +2

      Most banks have it, but i dont think it covers bank transfers, just credit card purchases from legitimate merchants.

  • Reminds me of the time my son wired $300 for "insurance" when buying $2000 camera lens from malaysia (he's in the media industry). "The delivery was COD he pays on delivery but the insurance had to be paid upfront" he was told.

    Gone. Forever.

    At least he learnt his lesson (I hope).

    Could've been worse, he could have lost $2300, blessing in disguise?

    • My friend got scammed for $2,500 when he wanted to sell his whole camera kit for $3,000. The "potential buyer" said it is for insurance / security for the transaction. Expensive lesson to learn indeed.

      • Now buyers and sellers are getting in on the act

  • +1

    Do you know any one in the utilities business like the electricity distributor for NSW? They often have very powerful search tools based on first names/mobile numbers/suburbs etc.

    Good luck. Id lodge with cops and surely the bank will be able to do something, if not go to the ombudsman and say I made a mistake transferring money to a fraudster and back wont reverse it. Worth a crack.

    • +1

      Ummm, it's illegal under privacy act to look up clients details unless directly related to the business, there are even jail penalties

  • +4

    Was his name Andrew? http://andrewmurraycarr.com/

  • +3

    On sale: $12,000 diamond ring for only $2,000. I broke up with my fiancee and need to recoup my losses pronto as my grandmother is in hospital with cancer. Leave money under bench in front of 500 Bourke St Melbourne. When you have done that post a comment here, and I will leave the ring for you to find in the same place. Looking forward to spending your money…

    Some gumtree offers almost sound as stupid as this, dont they?

    Dont fall for them.

    • +1

      As mentioned elsewhere, they sound stupid for a reason. They want to scam only stupid folks. too risky to deal with smart folks and they want to engage with a small number of kallers. hence you see the numerous spelling errors and fancy story.

      a legit ad may get 200 enquiry of which 20 may be gullible. A stupid ad gets 25 enquiry of which 20 are truly gullible.

      if you are a scammer would you go for a legit sounding ad?

      • +3

        Yeah stupid folk who kall.

  • +6

    I wouldn't even buy event ticket on gumtree even if you were to meet up with them and pay cash. They could meet up with you but if they give you fake ticket/s you would still get screw.

  • +2

    Nothing is really legit these days, there is no common decency any more, people just do things to better/enrich their own lives. It's such a shame really, sorry you had to learn this the hard way.

  • +1

    sorry for you mate.
    I'd never do a bank transfer to someone I've never met before!

  • yeah had my Plasma Tv fixed from some guy on gumtree, looks legit since it was broken didn't really bothered me, so i left it at his house, afterwards when we went to collect it, turns out he could not fix it and he stole some parts in the tv. Sad life !!

    • I know a lady that had exactly the same thing happen - but it was a real bricks & mortar repair shop.

  • Classic Gumtree by the looks, I remember when Gumtree first kicked off and I thoug to myself this must be where everyone who has terrible ebay ratings goes to hide. I personally would rather trawl flea markets for rare items than shop on gumtree, way to easy to scam someone.

    Never been shafted on Gumtree but these points/options have all been made earlier, so really just re-iterating.

    1. Go to the Bank and ask for a reversal of the transfer, it was your money and the banks may actually do it - source: a small business I did IT work for once paid the wrong David in their common payees list, could't reach the "wrong David" to get the money back so they went to the Bank Manager and he sorted it.

    2. Make friends with your local constabulary…if you make a enough of a fuss you will be heard. Most cops are genuinely good people who dislike it when normal hard working Aussies get scammed by dodgy people. source: brother and several mates are or have been cops.

    3. Make friends with someone who works for a telco (normal kiosk shop in a mall is fine) see if they can find anything on the number, Source: I haven't looked into this for a few years but had a mate a Vodafone (retail outlet) who could basically do a whois on a mobile number at the time, if they were a vodafone customer they could get call logs etc. (Note: this would only be helpful if they didn't spoof the prepaid signup with fake licence number etc).

    Best of luck, its a terrible feeling being robbed/scammed - I would say most people have had it happen in someway.

    Best thing about it is its only money, and nobody was physically hurt.

    • +1

      All good advice except:

      Careful not to get friends into trouble who work for telco, power company, centrelink, etc. It applies to anyone who has access to personal information, not just public servants.

      It is a criminal offence to access personal information if it is not directly related to your job description, or you have direct authorization from a superior

      So if you work for Optus, you can look up their personal info if a customer has not paid the bill and you need to write to them, but not if a friend was involved in an accident, has a cust's optus mob number, and asks you to find their address to send them a letter

      Data breaches include "employees accessing or disclosing personal information outside the requirements or authorisation of their employment" http://www.oaic.gov.au/privacy/privacy-resources/privacy-gui…

      • Agreed - its a slippery illegal slope, my suggestion really is all based on how good your friendship is with said telco person and if they are willing to accept the risks and breaches of privacy acts and employment agreements based on "helping out a mate" - I understand its illegal, that's also why its the 3rd option.

        Its just sometimes in this world we are forced to take the low road to get satisfaction.

        Thanks for the free legal advice though.

        • It not legal advice, I'm no lawyer. I just worked in public service where a mate got busted for this, got fired, lucky not to have criminal charges laid

        • what did he do exactly?

    • +1

      The new privacy laws are written so there can be hefty fines given both to the employee and the company for breach of privacy.

      So best not to follow ponytables advice.

      • -1

        All of it? or just the telco part?

      • He is well meaning, im was just saying BE CAREFUL HOW YOU DO IT

        • -1

          Are you new to the forum thing? (or at least this one), and IMO here at OZB its generally about opinions and advice, and having a good laugh along the way.

          Its Not always about 100% wrongs and 100% rights, so IMO no harm, no foul in having a poke about "everything" being wrong which was implied.

          Take it with a grain of salt like ankor most likely did, and as I have, and try not to feed the trolls. Happy Bargaining!

        • lighten up people

        • -1

          Exactly.

    • +1

      There's just as many crims on ebay as gumtree. The main reason sellers switch is the ridiculous ebay fees. The simple solution is you buy in person.

  • You need to provide id for both SIM cards and pre paid credit cards so file a police report or email me the details you have and I will ask some friends in the industry to see if they can help track them down for you.

    Scammers are the scum of the earth

    • Both can be faked… unless they track down to where the prepaid credit card was bought, if it was at a shop, then let's hope their CCTV is high quality, and instead of those terrible images in the news where they go: If you have seen this man, call crimestoppers News shows a black and white video still of a guy in a hoodie.. (unrecognizable)

  • For what it's worth, I say report it to the police and do everything you can to track this person down and make their life as difficult as you can for them. Scammers need to be taught a lesson, I recently was scammed out of $7500 (Last August) and I am still doing everything I can to make the mongrel wish he didn't.

  • +1

    You have more than enough information for the authorities to locate this person, unless they are a super criminal using a burner phone or a burner app* and a bank account in a false name. It is just a question of resources and priorities- are they interested in very small cases like this?

    *Just found this. Don't know if it works in Australia.

    "Burner, an app that lets people create disposable numbers that they can give out in place of their real number. Burner today (April 10) released an app for Android phones and a major update for iPhone.

    The software takes the place of burner phones, cheap mobiles that can be picked up at a local convenience store with no identifying account information associated with them. Burner offers similar anonymity without the need for another phone. Instead of tossing the phone, you delete the phone number the app generated."

    http://www.technewsdaily.com/17703-how-to-use-disposable-pho…

    Hushed works in Australia.

    If I was going into scamming I'd get an encrypted phone and use that app. I'd still have the problem of the bank account though. That sounds like a big hassle.

    • The IMEI number is sent along with the call, so no good with your Telstra post-paid phone. So they will know immefiately which physical phone the call came from, even if the number is not legit

  • -6

    Don't worry. I parked in a no-stopping zone for a few minutes which cost me $236. The NSW government is a scam.

    • +4

      noob shouldnt park there

    • Do the crime… pay the dime…. well in this case 23600 of them. :P

      • +3

        4720

  • FLASH! Just got an idea. Buy subscription to one of those data mining sites that sell data consumers give when signing up to FlyBuys, Woolworths Rewards, Priceline and other loyalty programmes and hope she was in one those schemes. Then you would be "legally" obtaining the information. Stuff the privacy laws then.

    When they ask me if I have flybuys, or woolworths rewards card, I just politely say:

    " I would rather not share with the world what I purchased here today", and they look at me weird, dont have a clue what I'm talking about

    Satisfaction = priceless

    Check out ABC's The Checkout:

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/thecheckout/clips/

    And scroll down to "Data Mining" clip.

  • So it was a RELOADABLE prepaid visa card http://www.bsbnumbers.com/index.php

    So don't they require ID to buy?

  • +2

    See this http://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/sa-fraudster…

    A CONMAN who duped users of the Gumtree website into handing over almost $10,000 for non-existent football and concert tickets will serve at least two years’ jail.

    • That's great to hear that justice was served! Normally they just get away with it.

  • +1

    It could be an invalid account you sent it too. Ive sent money to a friend, and she gave me the wrong account number. money came back plus a fee.

    • +1

      Minus a fee?

      • +1

        He said plus, so:

        1. Send $0.01 to invalid account.
        2. Get $2.51 back (including your fee to the bank)
        3. ????
        4. Profit
  • +1

    I've been following this post and I'm glad you got your money back!!! Good on you!

  • Edit to "I messed up and got scammed out of $2.50" [EDIT: Or not?]LOL
    Glad it turned out OK, banks are't all bad. No really.
    A good awakening as to what Can go wrong and, as in the link above, really does.

  • +5

    Hhahah wow OP, you're lucky!

    The person probably gave you correct BSB, but a non existent account number so the transfer couldn't go through and was bounced back.

    Take this as a massive heads up not to do cash first/post later deals.

    Ironically i just sold my iPod classic and posted it off to a lady on Gumtree. If only she knew what type of headache she would be in if i was of a dubious character. Not all the people on Gumtree are crooks.

    • +14

      LOL, the seller did not receive the money and probably thought OP was scamming her.

      • Never thought about it that way! Hahah!

  • Haha you got trolled OP. They didn't really want to steal your money, just wanted to teach you a lesson

  • +17

    Next minute we'll be seeing a post from the seller saying she got scammed 2 concert tickets she sold for $226 to a buyer on Gumtree.

  • +2

    Did he actually get the concert tickets in the end? or just the money back

  • +1

    the seller must have been an ozbargainer and felt sympathetic after seeing ur post…u never know!

    • +1

      most likely a good Samaritan ozbargainer, who works as a double agent / Private investigator at night obviously came to the rescue here.

      Anything else would be too logical

  • +2

    Better call off the Bikies.

    Wouldn't want to see a post from the Bikies saying they got scammed.

    • +3

      Bikies don't get scammed… They get even.

      • +1

        What are you talking about, Bikies are good samaritans who help little old lades walk across the road and do charity bike rides, nothing more…

  • +1

    Ahhhh..All is right again in the universe. Must have been cause you were trying to do a nice thing for your girlfriend, that ur money found it's way back to you. Very glad for you.

  • Hi I just wanted to talk to you about those tickets you got scammed for.

    I'm guessing they're for Arctic Monkeys because I had EXACTLY THE SAME EXPERIENCE. I sent the money last Wednesday for what seemed like really reasonable tickets, I heard nothing from they since, they had a great back story about not being able to make it down for the concert in Melbourne from Mildura and now the money has gone into one of those dodgy accounts with an Australia Post pay as you go card.

    Can I ask what you did before they returned the money because I haven't got mine back and its looking pretty dire. I'd appreciate any help, like did you contact Australia post or something or send them an email letting them know you're going to the police (I've done that to no effect)

    • I'm not able to private message you because I only just got an ozbargain account but i'd like to know if it's exactly the same person and check if we were given the same account number to send to. maybe you got a digit wrong and i didn't :(

      At least if its exactly the same person I'll have more to take to the police

      • +1

        no wonder why scammers keep scamming.

      • I didn't do anything. I sent a few texts, then when I realised it was probably a burner phone I sent some emails to the gumtree email and to the email she provided me with, essentially just trying to guilt/scare them. That was all I did. On monday the money was back in my account. The account number was 973723177, BSB 880100.

        • Did you send your bank account details to them to refund you?
          If not - I don't think they could have sent the money back to you if you didn't give them a destination account for them to return the funds to.. most likely someone reported that bank account to be a fraud (i.e. someone else got burnt and filed police report), and whoever that preload-visa company was, decided to reverse all incoming transactions (and take a $2.50 profit while doing so) for that card.

          That's just my guess.

        • That must be it then. Or like someone else said, they just got the account number wrong…who knows? Still awesome.

  • Good to see you got your money back!

  • +1

    I belive one of your frends from hrre intervened - say thank you

    • can that friend help me? see above, exact same situation

    • You think so? or you know…

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