What Nationality/Ethnicity are you Ozbargainers
Im Middle Eastern, How about you :)
What Nationality/Ethnicity Are You ?
easternculture on 20/11/2014 - 11:54
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Last edited 20/11/2014 - 11:59
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Nationality: Australian; Ethnicity: Lebanese.
Same :)
Me too :D
Likewise.
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
A lot of stingy Lebo's on here including me ;)
Nationality: Ozbargainer; Ethnicity: Moneyman
aussie
K1W1
Nationality: Australian, Ethnicity: Chinese
Nationality: Australian; Ethnicity: Brazilian.
Nationality: Strayan and Hong Kong (Dual citizenship FTW)
Ethnicity: Chinese
Hong Kong's not a country so there's no such thing as HK "nationality" or "citizenship"
Would "permanent resident of Hong Kong SAR" be more correct then? It's basically the same thing.
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I'm yellow.
I'm blue…
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Always remember that we are hear to listen, don't give up hope mate.
You lost me at Earthling.
Please give me a clue what you are talking about. P.s only answer if it's related to this thread. Thanks
Born: China
Nationality: Soon to be Australian
Religion: Islam
I didn't see the question asking about religion…..
I didn't see the question about asking about answers
So what's your definition of "ethnicity"? Religion can be, and often is, a vital part of ethnicity.
Had Davros said that his/her ethnicity was "Chinese", that wouldn't have been a complete answer. There are many, many ethnic groups in China, each of which has different religious practices. Saying that he/she follows Islam is a key piece of information: it tells you that he/she's not part of the majority ethnic group in China.
No, you are confusing ethnicity with culture/religion. They are completely separate..
A Han Chinese person (the majority ethnic group) can still be a Muslim. Just as there are Arab Christians and Ethiopian Jews.
They're not completely separate. Religion isn't the same as ethnicity. But ethnicity is often closely linked with religion. I chose these words carefully: "Religion can be, and often is, a vital part of ethnicity." If you think that religion and culture have nothing to do with ethnicity, I can only speculate on what your definition of ethnicity is. Because a definition of "ethnicity" that excludes religion and culture bears no resemblance to standard meanings of the word.
I take your point that a tiny proportion of Chinese Muslims may consider themselves Han Chinese, so perhaps I should qualify my original comment. However, it's a tiny minority. A Chinese person who observes Islam would almost never be classified as Han. The group you may be looking for is "Hui" - and for better or for worse, that's a different ethnicity. The source of the main distinction between Han and Hui is that the latter is overwhelmingly Muslim.
Anyway, the point is that it's perfectly relevant for Davros to say that he/she is a Muslim.
No, you are confusing ethnicity with culture/religion. They are completely separate..
Not always.
For instance, Jews, be they Ashkenazi (European), Sephardic (Iberian/North African) or Mizrahim (Middle Eastern) form a very cohesive and recognizable group on a genetic level distinct from almost every other ethnic group on a PCA plot and show the same patrilineal descent from the same place and time; meaning they have the same ethnogenesis but their ancestors took different migratory paths through history.
Studies have also shown that even Indian, Ethiopian or Lembe Jews (from Zimbabwe) have detectable levels of Near Eastern Jewish descent, despite closely resembling their neighbouring populations.
So in their case, it is not only a shared faith that Jews the world over have in common, but they are predominantly descended from the same handful of founding fathers of the Jewish people.
The same is true of other smaller, more obscure religious groups that have long been isolated or fiercely insular such as Assyrian Christians, Egyptian Copts, Druze, Yezidis, Burusho and Sikhs, whom also show high levels of population-wide genetic affinity.
@mazorn: Thanks.
Here's some illustrations to simplify the point I'm making:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6Hzs-1W_Qwg/TMgfMfZeNfI/AAAAAAAAAH…
(Blue Diamond: Ashkenazi Jewish)http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6Hzs-1W_Qwg/TMtxvvGd4aI/AAAAAAAAAH…
(Black Dot: Ashkenazi Jewish)Note the greater distance between the Jewish cluster to other ethnic groups, whose inter-ethnic distances are smaller, and also note how the individual points representing Jewish samples have smaller intra-ethnic distances compared to other ethnic groups, meaning closer relatedness to each other.
The diagram below is a family tree of the famous Cohen surname and it's variants around the world, with approximate TMRCA (Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor) estimates:
http://i57.tinypic.com/28k3cci.jpgHere's a more generalised overview of where Jewish groups fit in, in relation to other ethnic groups globally:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7303/images/natur…
(Ashkenazis and Sephardis are roughly in the middle, in red and purple; again, fairly little overlap with other groups)It's amazing to think that after 2,500 years in exile and dispersal across many countries, a population of humans could remain so homogenous, but historically the Jews have been a highly endogamous people and their frequent persecution and ostracization from the many nations they migrated to, further reinforced their genetic continuity.
I believe one researcher estimated that only 1 in 200 Jewish marriages over that 2,500 year span would have been to a non-Jew, given the current population's level of autosomal sharing.
Ashkenazi Jews in particular have a well-documented set of medical conditions that they are prone to more so than other ethnic groups, due to the effects of population bottlenecks throughout their history.
Why was this down-voted?
Because people can't be bothered reading or they're inferring some kind of nefarious intentions behind my words, simply by talking about Jews too much.
I'm merely highlighting a well-known and proven genetic curiosity, which contradicts the assumption that religions have to be based around social organisation and not for instance, ancestral descent.
Islam is a looser example, but a relevant one, given that so many of the early Caliphs were directly descended from the Prophet Muhammad, thus maintaining a core group of influential clerics who traced their family tree back to the founder of their religion.
I gotta say mate, now this is very unique.
At aleast now i can say that i know a An Ozzy/Chinese/Muslim.
Well, Gidday, Salamu Alikum & 你好 to you mate :)not really that unique, there are many ethnicities in China, muslim being one of them. If you ever go to Beijing, you'd find lots of Halal restaurants.
That's pretty cool
Kazakhstan/ Mongolian?
Sounds like a badass country
So many middle-eastern / muslims on OZB..
Hmmmm another forum post asking for personnel information. Lucky I like you eaternculture or I would have written something nasty. For the record I am from middle earth or at least I wish I was
fair enough. Its up to each ozbargainer to their free will to provide this info.
Personally I don't have any personnel - I'm just a private person from Australia.
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ABBOTT!
Just because reptiles can't defend themselves doesn't mean you can freely accuse them of such horrid things.
Nationality - Australia. Born in Canton then the communist destroyed our culture/city so I moved to down under XD
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Time Lord - itinerant.
Muggle here.
Nationality - Australian
Ethnicity - GreekNationality: Australian
Place of Birth: Sydney, Australia.
Heritage: Egyptian (both parents).Was hoping to immigrate to Krypton until their sun went Nova ;-)
Ethnicity - Eneloop AA
Are you the made in Japan model or the made in China model?
Go back there and take that attitude with you
Religion: ANTI-ISLAM
That's not a Nationality/Ethnicity, or a religion either for that matter.
You should come back. It's awesome now.
/Aussie, currently in Kyiv.
Nationality - Australian
Ethnicity - English & IrishSo, just summing up the thread, no-one in Australia is of anglo-saxon ethnicity.
no-one on OZBargain ;)
Heh heh. I do generally find migrants & their 2nd generations make their money work harder due to the hardship they have already experienced (or they've seen their parents experienced).
I've found that.
The coastal area we live in appears on the surface to have very few migrants, that is until you are standing at the front door of the local dump shop waiting for it to open on a Saturday morning (it's an awesome one, full of random bargains and only opens for one day a week). Pretty much all the people standing there are either migrants or the children of migrants.
I'm anglo-saxon (Scottish parents) and on here - I was well trained to respect the value of money, but not worship it.
I do generally find migrants & their 2nd generations make their money work harder
I think that used to be true of the class of migrants that Australia received in the post-WW2 era and their immediate descendants, particularly the Italians or Greeks who'd introduce themselves as Tom or Johnny when their real names were Antonio/Giannis and who worked their asses off as self-made entrepreneurs running a restaurant, a construction company and a deli simultaneously, with all the relatives pitching in.
As of 2014, that attitude is only really applicable to East Asian or South Asian migrants, and even then they tend to take it to a pathological and unhealthy degree, sacrificing family, friends, health and happiness in pursuit of the almighty dollar.
due to the hardship they have already experienced (or they've seen their parents experienced).
Today's kids across the board are all about instant gratification and living in the present.
The echoes of their troubled heritage and the inheritance of their parent's sacrifices are completely lost on the current generation of "3rd culture kids".
I've met young Afghans, Syrians, Liberians, and Somalians (who you'd think would have to have the strongest sense of humility around) and they're all the bloody same.
They all want to flash their wealth, look trendy, buy a McMansion, hook up with a model (while maintaining some superficial pretense of religious observance) and live well beyond their means. Consumed entirely by vanity and frivolous pursuits and generally aspiring for some cliched "American Dream"-type lifestyle.
If you travel enough, then you'd know Americanisation/Globalisation has tapped into the darkest, most out-of-reach corners of the world, and this is the byproduct.
Their mentalities are no different from the average indecisive and procrastinating Aussie adolescent.
What astounds me the most, is not how diverse Australia has become, but how homogenized the Australian middle-class has become. Showing you that our politically-correct view of diversity is completely superficial, not unlike those nauseating corporate glossy ads from multi-nationals that show a few differently coloured people in the same room together as a model of "diversity"; I've met Africans who are more bogan than most bogans, likewise Australians who are stingier with money than most Chinese.
Everyone is literally a carbon copy of this prototypical middle-class archetype. You can see it plainly on OzBargain itself.
Perhaps this is something like the inevitable fate of the universe as per the "Big Crunch"; we all meld together into this indistinguishable singularity. The consequence of forced multiculturalism would logically be either cultural replacement or cultural "equalization" in my view, and I think the effects of both are readily apparent.
@Amar89: I hope I am not kicking the hornet's nest on this one. I don't want to start a feud of sort that results in tiring arguments that doesn't end anywhere. I am just chipping in my $0.02.
As a "3rd Culture Kid", I sort of disagree with your opinion. Current generation is not as bad as you are describing them to be.
You are referring to people you know, but that does not necessarily mean that they represent the whole population. Perhaps I am making similar mistakes on my observations, since I am referring to people I know. I've met many people who doesn't fit the description at all. I've met people who work very hard knowing that their parents have sacrificed a lot for them. I've met people who try very hard to fit in. I am not disagreeing that there are people like what you describe, but I am simply pointing out that you are over-simplifying the current generation.
I think how similar many countries are becoming is simply from the changes in environment. Asians are not that different from Westerners. Surely we think differently in some areas, but I think that gap is becoming smaller due to cultural boundaries being destroyed by the media and other things. Environment have changed and people are simply adapting to it. We are humans, we are not exactly different species. In similar environment, it is likely that we will act similarly. I don't think of it as a death of diversity though. I simply see it as a change in values from globalisation. Also this doesn't necessarily mean that we will all be same though, different starting point, variations in where things take us.
I've heard many people saying that the "current generation" is not as good as the "older generation". Similar saying has been around since ancient Rome I've heard, so I suppose that is how things work. "Current generations" will always be different from the older generations, they will probably not follow the older generation's standards, values or attitudes. Is that good or bad? I don't know that either.
Also, what older generation are seeing in the current generation is an unfiltered version of what is happening. Surely current generation is doing some things wrong, but at the same time, we do some things right too.
Meh, that was my two cents. My argument probably do not flow that well, I apologise for that.
Third culture is not the concept you are describing. Third culture kids are children of diplomats, bankers, military brats and so on.
We worked overseas and came home to Sydney to avoid our children becoming "third culture". Not because there is anything wrong with third culture kids - the world needs them. But because we wanted our children to be the same culture as us.
The children of migrants in Australia are Australian.
I agree.
Facts: Current generation has lower crime rates, lower violent crime rates, lower drug abuse, less teen pregnancy, higher educational achievement, less dole-bludgers and they work more hours when they get jobs.
Opinions: I personally think they are better than previous generations because they mostly got vaccinated and were mostly un-beaten as children.
@mrmarkau67: Hmmm, I'd actually argue against your argument as well. As far as I see there are no such thing as "better" generation, but rather people adapting to their environment.
I hate people telling me that I am a spoilt brat who's gotten where I am because of my parents, but that doesn't mean that I don't deny the fact that where I am is a combination of what I have done and what the older generations have done for me.
Yes, I think we are better off economically and we have achieved things that older generations have not achieved, but that doesn't mean that older generations are worse than us. It simply means that what they have done for us, be it bad or good, have placed as at a position where they left off.
In scientific discoveries, often the person who discovered it gets credited for it, but in reality, it is the accumulation of data from failures and successes from past combined with the person's dedication that makes it to happen. I think the same thing applies to the achievements of current generation.
Just chipping in my 2c again.
And I don't disagree with you on that. I just get tired of people complaining about the current generation - I just like to insert some facts into the argument.
And yes, you may be right. I think this generation is healthier, happier and less drug/crime prone because of the good things done by the previous generation.
Third culture is not the concept you are describing.
Yes it is.
The first culture of children refers to the culture of the country from which the parents originated, the second culture refers to the culture in which the family currently resides, and the third culture refers to the amalgamation of these two cultures.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_culture_kid
Third culture kids are children of diplomats, bankers, military brats and so on.
Military brats or those jet-setting kids who move frequently as a consequence of their parent's employment are called simply that; military brats.
Third culture kids are the children of people working abroad (missionaries, military, finance and so on). Not the children of immigrants.
My children almost became TCKs, but we moved back home before they went to primary school; they quickly lost their accent and the fact they were born in a different country is only of academic interest to them.
Have a look here: http://tckid.com/what-is-a-tck.html
I think historically the term encompassed that narrow demographic subset, as per this quote:
The term "third culture kid" was first coined by researchers John and Ruth Useem in the 1950s, who used it to describe the children of American citizens working and living abroad…
… At the time, it applied to the children of Foreign Service Officers, missionaries, businessmen, educators, media representatives, and aid workers but has since expanded to be applicable to any individual of any country who has undergone these same experiences. The term is not limited to Americans but rather can be used to describe any individuals who have had significant living experience in a culture besides their own.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_culture_kidIn any case, most offspring of migrants I think still have much in common with the experience of being a TCK.
The children are born in their parent's country of origin (3rd-world or otherwise), and whisked away to a (typically) Western nation in their formative years (1-8 years of age).
It fosters much of the same conflicting psychology and the feeling of being caught between two worlds, divided loyalties, not fitting in either country, etc.
Yes, another term for TCKs is "hidden immigrants".
Immigrant children have some things in common with TCKs, but are not included in the definition.
And when immigrants come to a country and have an impact on the culture of that country, the resulting culture is not "third culture", it is just the new culture of that country.
At the end of the day, I think the biggest culture clash is not between East and West but between village (the old way of living on the land) and city (modernity).
Australia has long been very urbanised, and immigrants coming from cities in other countries find it pretty easy compared to those who come from villages.
@mrmarkau67: The Iranians have come up with an indigenous term that seems more apt for what I'm describing: "Westoxification"
Hyper-Westernized foreigners are nothing new. The Victorian English left a prominent mark on the mannerisms, dress and social values of like-minded bourgeoisie classes in places as far flung as Japan, Afghanistan or Africa.
I think the biggest culture clash is not between East and West but between village (the old way of living on the land) and city (modernity).
I agree and I wasn't perpetuating any East/West paradigm. Like I said, people from the most diametrically opposed nations to the Western world happily and readily turn into Suzy Chapstick and Johnny Tradie within the span of a few years once they arrive on our shores.
There are exceptions, but try as they might, they inevitably succumb to the pressures of consumerism, conformity, materialism and secular liberalism. Perhaps especially in Australia because of our rather nonchalant attitude towards immigration, massive demographic changes and sustainable social planning.
For better and worse (in my opinion, worse in the long-term), the forces of Globalisation have usurped those basic and natural human instincts of tribal loyalty and reverence of lineage to give way to a generation of people that have so little attachment or respect for both past and future.
The incessant mixing up of everyone from everywhere that comes from trying to eliminate cultural competition and negate the vastly disparate histories of different ethnic or racial groups, so as to the wipe the slate clean, does on the one hand promote assimilation and adaption which fosters a stable and harmonious immigrant nation, but on the other hand, it completely neutralises thousands of years of human competition and ingenuity that brought us to the point of having such a thing as a "Western World" in the first place.
Just ponder for a second why equivalent terms like "Eastern World" or "African World" are meaningless, in contrast to the incredibly evocative and well-defined "Western World".
Human beings are supposed to be in a continual state of competition and one-upmanship; cultures and ethnic groups are supposed to rise and fall organically, so suddenly reversing 200,000 years of a predicable pattern into this passive-aggressive, melting pot policy is if nothing else, incredibly poorly thought-out, to say the very least.
@Amar89:
Hi Amar89. I think you raise some good points but I'm with AznMitch.Children of migrants don't have a sophisticated psychology nor an in depth understanding of sociology and globalisation.
Its young children growing up and adapting to the society and culture they are in. Its basic child psychology. They've basic needs and how to interact and have influence over their peers.
Put yourself in the shoes of a young immigrant child growing up in Australia. You are of different ethnicity, religion, family background from the general population of white Anglo Australians. The community is xenophobic. There's a culture of tall poppy syndrome towards the idea of success and success in individuals.
How is a migrant youth supposed to follow their parents hard work ethic and academic/professional excellence without standing out, punished and further excluded from their social group?
AznMitch is right that kids are adapting to the current culture. If you took a child from China or Korean and put them into the Japanese education and employement system they would most likely turn into a stressed out japanese salary man. I think your generalisations need to be further investigated and take into account localised variables.
I agree with you that biological and ecological systems compete and evolve BUT so do social groups (ie. societies).
Social groups compete against other groups to protect their interests but groups also provide the collective a larger benefit than the individual. ie. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Hence the reason why groups grow their membership by finding more allies.
What you are seeing today are social groups evolving, growing larger and more influential to increase overall benefit to those within the group/society. An example is Christian religion. Churches have become ecumenical and inclusive of other Christians from different denominations. Their cooperation and collective vote can decide the political heads of state in USA, UK, Australia and Russia.
Another example of social groups cooperating rather than competing is the formation of large economic blocs such as the EU (European Union) and ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations).
Other examples of social groups growing beyond national boundaries to benefit its members:
- Feminism / womens rights.
- the Arab Spring.
- Environmentalism / global warming / pollution.These are examples of social groups adapting and evolving. Societies are way more complicated than just dog eat dog competition and power hierarchies.
I might be a bit late and this is probably a fork in the path in the conversation you were having in the other comments following but I'm pretty sure the newer generation of kids growing up with the internet is going to have a huge effect too.
It's kind of like a globalization for cultures. Kids who get a tablet connected to the internet slapped in front of them for huge amounts of time watching youtube and other internet trends (which tend to mostly be American) are likely going to have a huge effect in what they identify as in years to come.
One of the best things about growing up in Sydney was having friends of different cultural backgrounds. My best friends were Singaporean, Croatian, Dutch, Chilean+English and yep a few multi-generation Australians too. My wife has Scottish and English blood. I work with people from every part of the globe. When people choose to get along this is something to be celebrated. I have not found a single nationality that doesn't have it's fair share of wonderful down to earth people and total a-holes.
That's generally why folks that use elaborate words and subtle expressions get negged. Most foreigners generally need everything in basic, bite-sized sentences.
Not hating, just something I've noticed.
Elaborate words and subtle expressions are looked down upon in academia because it doesn't add to arguments. It only hinders delivery of the logic within the argument. I always stuck to keeping it simple and short because of that reason.
You are quite right. Great words and phrases are overrated.
Slurping and belching sadly does get more favourable responses these days.
Lol, that's because white Australians get really confused when you ask them about ethnicity, and they think " but I'm Australian ", or they don't want to think about the few hundred indigenous Australians ethnicities, that are actually Australian ethnicities
lol 4th Gen Aussie here. All Anglo if that means bit Pom,Scot,Spanish,French,Jew,Dutch
Cat. Tonkinese
pan-national, cis ethnic
is pom an ethnicity?
Anglo saxon is.
think it might be a religion rather than an ethnicity…
No poll?
too many choices then?
It could be a poll which takes suggestions from users. That would leave poll choices open without having to list off the very large number of nationalities unnecessarily.
Some OzB's would demand ways to Neg those "freely added" users' poll options.
They just don't like to stretch their minds to such a degree.
PS I lament that AU's OzB allows expressed innovations to be Neg'd out-of-view by such mobs.
It may be "too hard" for AU's Luddites to embrace Safe, Liquid-Fuel "Nuclear 2.0" Energy, now set to arrive - elsewhere - in ~ 2021, by Terrestrial Energy (in CA; YouTube chan "TerrestrialMSR") & TransAtomic Energy (or Power? In USA; cf their web site)…
which will surely mean AU won't get (or deserve) much respect from smarter nations, IMO. :-/
it would be pollish
I am Malaysian
korean born kiwi
I'm Ozbargansian. I speak Bargainese.
My cultural activities include scouting for the best eneloop deals. Our national dish is dominoes from online vouchers. My staple diet involves pinchme samples which help me get by. I'm proud of who I am.
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