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Brightgreen DR700 LED Downlight $20 at Ecovantage + $13.95 Post or Free Pickup (Collingwood VIC)

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Brightgreen DR700 LED Downlight $20 at Ecovantage + $13.95 Post or Free Pickup (Collingwood VIC)
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Landrew1879 on 11/02/2015 - 14:14 shop.ecovantage.com.au (1942 clicks)
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Excellent price for the Brightgreen DR700. Cheapest that I could find elsewhere is $47. Ecovantage claim RRP of $55.

Postage appears to be a flat rate of $13.95 for NSW/Vic/Qld/Tas/SA and $15.95 for WA & NT. Collection available from Collingwood.

These run from 12 volts, GU5.3 base (MR16) i.e. it's a retrofit replacement for tungsten-halogen downlight lamps.

Note: retrofit LEDs are generally not as good as complete kits/fittings. The DR700 is not the most efficient LED around nor the brightest (but it is reasonably good in both respects). It would be, or very close to being, the brightest direct replacement GU5.3 12V LED lamp though. Changeover is a DIY task in most cases, assuming it fits in your existing fittings and is compatible with your transformer.

Manufacturer's product page: https://brightgreen.com/au/led-lights/dr700-retrofit-downlig…

Independent testing: http://www.ledbenchmark.com/display.php?id=94&name=Brightgre…

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  • DJ on 11/02/2015 - 14:20
    +7

    Let's hope this post doesn't get overrun with people talking about how cheap $6 LED lights are better because they're cheaper.

    The brightgreens are the ducks nuts of LED downlights.

    • andrew1879 on 11/02/2015 - 14:25
      +2

      Yes totally agree. Amazes me that some people want to use ebay/aliexpress lights with grossly exaggerated specs, abundant RF interference and no certainty of them even being safe to use. Not worth the risk.

      • zealmax on 11/02/2015 - 18:08

        I am reluctant to try the ebay ones. Concerned about safety aspect. Don't want to risk burning the house down for few dollars. Especially with today's property prices.

      • ronorboris on 12/02/2015 - 08:43

        While I've never argued that cheaper LED lights are better/worse that more expensive ones, I've always thought they were fine to use.

        I bought a bunch of them from ALDI a year and a half ago and use them in my kitchen. What problems do these lights have?

        • andrew1879 on 12/02/2015 - 09:48
          +2

          Actually Aldi LEDs, not that I've seen them myself, are great value. Importantly, their claimed specs are spot on - what's advertised is what you get.

          That is not the case for many ebay LEDs which is what I was referring to - no-name lamps from no-name vendors that in many cases produce only a fraction of their advertised light output, last only a fraction of their advertised lifetime, may use counterfeit LED chips, may be electrically unsafe or even a fire hazard, create excessive radio/TV interference, flicker excessively etc. See here for some examples.

        • zealmax on 12/02/2015 - 15:05

          @andrew1879: I would use Aldi ones, but worry about the eBay ones not meeting the Australian standards and the fact they are not certified to be used in Australia, which could mean if the fire is caused by the lights, insurance may not pay up.

        • ronorboris on 21/02/2015 - 22:26

          @andrew1879:

          Wow thank you, I never knew LED lights could be laden with so many problems! I'll make sure I continue to buy from reputable places. Good to know the fact an LED downlight costs $6 doesn't automatically make it bad.

  • eug on 11/02/2015 - 14:21

    Looks like a great price. Pity about shipping though.

    • DJ on 11/02/2015 - 14:33
      +1

      shipping not too bad. Seems to be flat rate - e.g. $15.95 for 4 lights to Perth.

      • eug on 11/02/2015 - 14:44

        Oh yes.. it's probably good for people looking to buy a lot of them.

  • [Deactivated] on 11/02/2015 - 14:35
    +1

    Good drop in price for the 700.

    OP, if you're keeping an eye on that site, or elsewhere, let us know if the high CRI D900 or D550 downlights ever receive the same treatment. Cheers.

  • bargain_knight on 11/02/2015 - 14:55

    You are right, these look good and bright. Also implies they are dimmable, which would be a positive. But I would suggest if you are in Victoria that you get them replaced under the free government scheme. See how they look and if not happy then buy these where required. The free ones won't be as bright as these (probably half as bright), but they are free. Note dimmable bulb replacement isn't free. You can get this one installed http://shop.ecovantage.com.au/philips-master-7w-mr16-led-dow… , but they charge about $7 each.

    • neil on 11/02/2015 - 15:23

      Would these guys install them for free based on the VIC govt scheme?

    • Dr Techno on 11/02/2015 - 16:45

      From a quick read looks like the free gov scheme is only for free installation, still have to pay for the downlight ?

      • bargain_knight on 11/02/2015 - 16:58

        Not true for all suppliers. Certain lights are free under the scheme. Some people have offered these free on Ozbargain but been hounded out. Google free led downlights. There are a number of companies offering them on Gumtree.

        Generally the free lights aren't of the quality of these, but they are still reasonable.

        Here is the Ozbargain post in the past:
        https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/161338

    • sammytrailor on 11/02/2015 - 19:19

      Yes, these are dimmable :)

  • shteeve5150 on 11/02/2015 - 15:04

    Thats a bargain - have these in my kitchen and they are fantastic. Now where else can I put them??? Only limitation I find is that they have a higher profile than a lot of others.

  • pongie on 11/02/2015 - 15:12
    +1

    Great price but beware of fakes and imitations. I would contact brightgreen first and see if Ecovantage is one of their official supplier.

    http://brightgreen.com/eu/blog/articles/copycats-counterfeit…

    • llama on 11/02/2015 - 21:53

      Ecovantage definitely ARE an official retailer.

      These are being cleared because they don't comply with VEET requirements for domestic installations.

  • dust on 11/02/2015 - 16:25

    Great price. Bought 12. Thanks OP!

  • Roary on 11/02/2015 - 16:36
    +5

    Probably much safer to get them delivered than to drive into Collingwood

  • mrgeckoz on 11/02/2015 - 16:54

    Quality and cheap.
    Hope there are some white/chrome ones…

    Thinking of buying the 13w 'samsung' led downlights from ebay, bunnings have similar products for $29, cool white only though.

    • andrew1879 on 11/02/2015 - 17:14
      +1

      I have tried a couple of LEDs similar to the 13W "Samsung" you're talking about. Their brightness & efficiency is pretty good, although the light is widely spread so will probably be slightly less bright directly underneath than you're used to. I found the glare from the relatively large diffused surface to be their biggest drawback. If you have a look at ledbenchmark.com you'll see several similar types and for a few dollars more you can probably find one that someone has tested so you know if the claimed lumen output is real.

      • mrgeckoz on 11/02/2015 - 17:37

        Thanks man, much appreciated!
        Any recommendations?
        Please send PM if its not appropriate here…

  • newbie99 on 11/02/2015 - 17:16

    +1 for these led. Ordered 25. Thanks.

  • ozscharfschutze on 11/02/2015 - 17:25

    So are these compatible with standard halogen light transformers? I tried cheaper LED downlights from ebay and they don't work well with my transformers (probably due to low power draw).

    • dust on 11/02/2015 - 17:26
      +1

      Yes, they are retrofit LEDs.

  • moyanous on 11/02/2015 - 17:26
    +1

    A real bargain. I bought 22.

    ratsacker has done an excellent job of evaluating many LED downlights (including these ones) over at whirlpool.

    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1951172&p…

    Go here for an excel comparison sheet

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74901759/Ledglobes.xlsx

    The DR700 is the best for a MR16 replacement, and is as bright as the brightest 10w/12w kit.

  • newbie99 on 11/02/2015 - 17:33

    Yes, luckily they are compatible with all my existing transformers. Not sure about yours. Recommend you try first before buy in bulk.

  • PlasticSpaceman on 11/02/2015 - 17:51

    Thanks OP - bought some more! Way back when I replaced a number of lights in my house with these and they work a treat even with my nasty transformers.

  • Prettypenny on 11/02/2015 - 18:21

    I bought about 10 a while back, 8 of my transformers worked with them however there were 2 where none of the Brightgreen lights would work, however this was a much better success rate than any of the numerous other LEDs I have tried. I was very happy with how bright they were compared to other brands.

  • Pesty on 11/02/2015 - 18:44
    +1

    Need the GU10 version to be on sale too…

  • jason101 on 11/02/2015 - 19:03
    +1

    I trialed 30-40 different LED lights for a commercial project spanning tens of thousands of lights the company which I work for developed. We didn't end up going for these (We went for a Pierlight), but these were far and away the BEST real world performers we sampled for retrofitting. As our project was a new build we went with the Pierlight but for anything retrofit, I would back these any day.

  • fallen on 11/02/2015 - 19:47

    We use these LEDs on dimmer switches and they are great. Good price too. We've been slowly swapping out our halogens for these when they're cheap enough.

  • timochy on 11/02/2015 - 20:54

    when its installed, do you see the black ring?
    or does the original fitting hide it ?

  • emortal sofar on 11/02/2015 - 20:54

    Can anyone enLIGHTen me and let me know if these would be compatible with a CBus system?

    • llama on 11/02/2015 - 22:02
      +1

      Of course - CBus is just a control system, so everything is compatible.

      However if you mean CBus dimmers and you have electronic transformers them the answer is maybe.

      You will have to reset the dimmer minimums of you will have massive dead bands and/or snap-on. And there is a minimum load per channel that you have to meet, or the dimmer will act up something chronic or not even switch on.

      Further, if the CBus installer has done a cheapo install with only dimmer channels and no relays for on/off, then you may find that the lamps randomly flicker on when they should be off… this is caused by a bleed voltage from the dimmer at 0% not really being "off" at all.

      These are the exact same issues that affect ALL dimmers, not just C-bus. There is nothing particularly "special" about CBus dimmers, they are basically the same as the standard Clipsal dimmer guts with a control system rather than a potentiometer telling them what to do.

      The majority of dimming problems in retrofit projects can be resolved by adding more load, and when "off" you need to get the voltage down to zero somehow. Easiest way to fix dimming issues is to install one or more of the old black wirewound transformers into each circuit. This provides an inductive load that the dimmer was originally designed for, and stops it misbehaving.

  • EnALup on 11/02/2015 - 21:18

    I want to put White LED down lights (I know these are warm. I will keep an eye on this website) in my house. Can I buy these (cool daylight) and then get this fitted by an electrician? or I need to buy something else as well.

    Do we have to buy transformer separate for these?

    • andrew1879 on 11/02/2015 - 23:00

      The DR700 in this post is a "globe" replacement only, primarily designed to replace existing 12 volt halogens. It needs a transformer and downlight fitting, and if you don't already have them then these items need to be installed by an electrician.
      If you don't have downlights already then complete kits are the technically better option, which are a complete LED fitting with matched driver ("driver" is just a term for a power supply, which takes the place of the transformer).

      • EnALup on 12/02/2015 - 12:24

        Thanks and yes, I need the complete kit.
        Can you advise where to start looking for them as I am thinking to get the m fitted after few months.

        • andrew1879 on 12/02/2015 - 12:57

          Similar to a comment I made above & the replies to it, I would look into:
          - Osram Luxpoint Mini G2 Bunings have the WW version so perhaps you could have a look at that in-store.
          - Pierlite Starburst Crystal (get your electrician to supply them, can be expensive)
          - Wattsaver have some good but expensive products. Their are some discrepancies in the specs on their website. Australian made which is commendable.
          - LANX Australis 13W
          - Martec Tradetec Arte
          Be aware that the last two have large diffusers and will have more glare.
          Also have a look at SAL, Domus, Martec whose products look promising. This list is a start (by no means comprehensive; I wish those guys had more resources to test more). As a guide, halogen downlights are approx 700 lumens (brightness) so look for at least that much, find something in your price range with a good review, preferably with CRI (colour rendering index, a measure of light quality with respect to its spectrum of colours) of 85 or more, and efficiency of at least 70 lumens per watt.
          See also the spreadsheet by "ratsacker" mention in moyanous's post which has more test results.
          While downlights are fashionable, in my opinion they are pretty inefficient as a light source as most light is aimed straight down at the floor, and the light is less even than more traditional forms of lighting. They have their place though.
          I don't claim to be an expert so would welcome comments from others.

        • EnALup on 12/02/2015 - 13:10

          @andrew1879: Thanks Mate. That was a great and userful help to start.

  • JoshG123 on 12/02/2015 - 00:01

    TLDR above, but these are good, for a plug and play LED down light, no they don't come close to their big brothers the D900's though totally different league, these are half the price but to be honest i believe the D900's are easily worth the extra coin.
    2cents.

  • tobs90 on 12/02/2015 - 05:41

    Thanks, have these in my kitchen and bought for $55 x 4 a year ago. Now will be able to do the house! Bought 18.

  • zmsbd on 12/02/2015 - 09:18

    i know nothing about LED…bought 10

  • mheloy on 12/02/2015 - 10:14

    sold out?

    • Evil-Elmo on 12/02/2015 - 10:49

      Appears so. Pity, was going to order 8 this morning to try out my first LED halogen replacements. :(

      • mheloy on 12/02/2015 - 11:02
        +1

        just called up and they said its out of stock

  • PaKoRa on 12/02/2015 - 11:03

    not sold out… they have it under sales category BUT the price is now $30 with a claimed RRP of $60.50… was going to place order with this mob.. but not anymore.

    • whodidthat on 12/02/2015 - 11:23
      +1

      Those are different

    • Evil-Elmo on 12/02/2015 - 11:32

      Yeah, I thought this originally, but then realised it was a 240V not 12V version for $30.

    • andrew1879 on 12/02/2015 - 11:43

      That's actually a different product, not the 12 volt version that was in this post.

    • whodidthat on 12/02/2015 - 13:18

      This post was for: Brightgreen 12V 10.5W Warm White DR700 LED Downlight

      The $30 ones are: Brightgreen 10.5W 60 Degree Beam DR700 Integrated

  • dtgold on 16/02/2015 - 12:45

    I purchased 43 of these (enough for the whole house) at 6PM on the day the deal went up, and just got an email saying that they are out of stock and I'll get a refund. Not happy - I was really excited to get them!

  • whodidthat on 16/02/2015 - 12:52

    Unfortunately we have sold out of the products you ordered and are
    therefore unable to fulfill your order.

    We will process a full refund which will take effect within 2 to 3
    business days.

    (& I only ordered 6)

  • whodidthat on 16/02/2015 - 13:34

    As of 1pm, they are now claiming to have refunded - which is not the case (Paypal payment).

  • zmsbd on 16/02/2015 - 13:48

    only ordered 10 and they are now telling me out of stock.

    has anyone here succeed?

  • newbie99 on 16/02/2015 - 17:11

    I'm on the same boat. Out of stock and refund. Dodgy business.

    • eug on 16/02/2015 - 17:52

      A dodgy business wouldn't refund your money…

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