For someone that is going to finish high school Yr 12, what sort of job or career are there that is high paying, good job security and high in demand and relatively easy to get into
What Is The Best Career to Get into That Is High Paying?
LMaserati on 16/06/2015 - 14:54
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Politician.
PM 'only' gets about $170,000 per year,
allegedly
B.S. - it's more like $600k/year for the PM.
But with so many lurks and perks, and "rules" that allow so many shonky claims.
Like paying your wife for 'rent.'
@BigTed: More referring to Joe Hockey who receives a government stipend when he stays in Canberra (for hotels and such) but instead stays at his wife's who he pays 'rent' to, while pocketing the $1000 per month.
@Strand0410: I'm so damn disgusted by this. Especially after the all the foot-in-mouth housing affordability crap he's spun lately.
@sparkles: I'm not taking Hockey's side in any of this, but it should be pointed out that the property would be getting rented out if Joe didn't have to be in Canberra for his work (which is the reason for the allowance).
The fact that it is wife that receives the rent is irrelevant as long as he is paying the market price (which he is) and not an inflated figure.
@Devils Advocate: totally flawed argument. it DOES matter if his wife owns it. staying in Canberra means he can rent out his other residence in whole or in part.
he is basically using tax dollars to pay himself.
@OYC: You mean rent out his home where he stays for part of every week, and where his family live?
The allowance makes total sense, all politicians get it, why should he be disadvantaged because his wife happens to have an investment property in Canberra? He could always choose to stay in hotels when he's in Canberra for work, and his wife would still get the same amount of rental income from other tenants. It works out the same either way.
another way to look at it is: is to ask whether he is entitled to the allowance if the investment property is under his name and not his spouse?
he is essentially using a loophole to make a claim on allowance he isn't entitled to.
@Devils Advocate:
Also, he is not 'disadvantaged' if he misses out on a benefit. the benefit is there to ASSIST those that don't have a house in Canberra. he does not need the assistance.@OYC: Sorry OYC, but that is the flawed argument. Of course he is entitled to the reimbursement and if it were under his name he still would be (as it isn't his primary residence, it is an investment property with an investment loan that he would be able to rent out if he were able to).
I'm not saying he's disadvantaged because he's missing out on a benefit (it's actually a reimbursement), his wife would be disadvantaged because she wouldn't have a paying tenant in her investment property for which she needs to make loan repayments.
@JetBombat: Is your argument that politicians who travel to work in Canberra shouldn't have their accommodation expenses reimbursed while they are in Canberra?
@Devils Advocate: he can't claim it under his own name.
the allowance is not a bulk amount paid out, it's claimed through expenses and forfeited if not used.
there aren't actually any expenses to claim.
@Devils Advocate: The argument is that politicians who already have a residence in Canberra shouldn't be reimbursed for 'travel'.
@saine: they are being reimbursed for accomodation, not travel.
Don't you see how that's not fair though? Every other politician gets that reimbursement, why should Hockey not? His wife would be disadvantaged by the coincidence that her investment property is in Canberra, rather than somewhere else. For example, if her investment property was in Melbourne then he would get the reimbursement and his wife would get the rent.
There is only fair and unfair in this scenario. The current situation is fair. People just like complaining about politicians and people richer than them (and Hockey is both of these things, but has earnt his position).
Looks to be a fair bit more than that actually - K Rudd's salary was $500 000 - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-01/off-the-hustings-james…
and millions in Super and extras.
170k? Not sure where you got that fact from.
Last time i checked, it was close to 600k like someone above mentioned.
Back benchers are on about 180k/year
I find it slightly ironic how politician was mentioned this right after prostitution comment.
Politics is similar to prostitution; only you keep your physical self pure and sell your morals instead.
Did I sound like I was looking down upon politicians? Oh no, I didn't mean that.
Here is a Monty Python sketch* that I shall use as my apology to politicians.*Youtube link
@woolfenstein: hahahahaha, don't worry. I simply wanted some excuses to use that monty python sketch.
The main difference between the two is it's impossible for one of these professions to f**k the whole country…
Nah, the main difference would be who is doing what to whom and whether you are doing it or you are being done over.
Senior public servants make way more than politicians. Department heads get $700-800k, and Glenn Stephens (RBA Governor) gets a salary of over $1 million.
I reckon politicians get a lot of "under the table" perks.
Find a company (e.g. Financial sector or Consulting firm) that would take you on as an IT Security Graduate (I see demand booming for this - meanwhile non-core business coding/testing roles trend towards offshore teams). Then contract yourself out after 3 years for $800/day.
A better question is what the OP is even able to 'get into.' It's nice talking about desirable careers, but what do you project to do in the HSC? Because if it's not excellent, you can rule out about half the suggestions in this thread (at least for undergraduate entry). Even the 'softer' career paths still require tertiary education, which again, depends upon how you did in school.
Not when 21 makes you a mature aged student and you don't even need an ATAR.
Ask Joe.
- Year 12 education or equivalent
- Good job security
- High in demand
- Easy to get into
Well, if you're not camera-shy…
"Easy to get into" huehuehue
Also you might want to pick a job that isn't in danger of being displaced by automation:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-16/technology-could-make-…
If this in indeed true then you should train in setting up automation.
As a matter of fact, I just enrolled in a MOOC on Autonomous Mobile Robots offered by edX. Just for interest's sake mind you, it'll won't be in my working life.
I'm a mechatronics engineer, and to put it simply, none of this automation technology gets developed here. It's all imported usually from Germany as a complete process.
So there are plenty of people being trained in Automation, but there just isn't the industry in Australia to further develop those skills.
Automation is what I do. There is more than the mechatronic part to it. Plenty of software\electronics involved.
The people who I think need to worry the most at the moment are truck drivers. If you drive a druck from A to B on a highway as a job, your days are numbered.
@jimmej: I'm hearing about autonomous rail, but that then creates the problem that rail is more terminal to terminal, so there will still be demand for truck drivers to go from the railway to the destination and vice versa. Maybe you won't have interstate truck drivers between cities serviced by railway (of which a really large amount of Australia isn't), but I have doubts as to whether autonomous vehicles will be able to share the road with other users any time soon.
BTW mechatronics is mechanical, electronics and computer science. It's the whole thing, not sure what you're referring to.
I hear a Pimp makes good cash and fringe benefits ;)
Just marry yourself into wealth…
Oil and gas industry, based in Vung Tau.
High wages and incredibly low cost of livingBut how do you get a job?
Look at game of thrones for inspiration. There was an entire war over Cersei's ahem (profanity). Make yourself desirable ;)
Or sell some oysters, clams and cockles!
A man does not just sell oysters, clams and cockles
You know nothing l005e
A girl is no one
If a job existed that fit all your criteria, it would quickly be grabbed up and demand would plummet.
Alternatively, the employer would be able to be much more selective in whom they hire and how much they pay so the pay and relative ease of entry would likely take a hit.
Furthermore if everyone was applying and trying to get your job that's so well paid and easy to get into, there would be no job security as you could easily be let go and someone hired the next day.
So as you can see there's not really an existing job that would fit your criteria and you're far better off planning for the future by earning yourself a place in decent uni course or taking up a trade apprenticeship.
Also consider taking a gap year - I never took one and I wish I did!
If you can some how get into the job that doesn't meet all criteria and then somehow make yourself indispensable (I see many people do this but would never do so myself) you can create your own.
That's why professions like lawyers and doctors have high barriers to entry (the Bar exam, certification etc). It's done in the name of 'safety' or 'professionalism' but it's main outcome seems to be to restrict entry and benefit incumbents.
If you really want to know:
Investment banking 90-100k+ as a grad (1st year out from uni)
FIFO engineers: 90k+ as grad
Management Consultants: 75-90k as grad
Quant traders 75-80k+ as a grad
Dentists 75k+ (variable, dependent on whether you get a full time role or not)
Lawyers: 65k+ as grad in a top tier law firm
Accountants: 45-55k as a grad in the big four accounting firmsOwn business: Most likely a loss first year. Highly risky, most fail within a year.
You'll quickly realise you might not be suited to the high paying roles though. They are high paying because of the trade-offs of hours/stress.
Some people can't stand it and quit fairly early.^Just re-read your question. I wasted my time writing this because none of these jobs are 'easy' to get into.
^Just re-read your question. I wasted my time writing this because none of these jobs are 'easy' to get into
Me to
Cant believe he wants it all with no effort, actually yes I can.OP stated "relatively" easy.
It kinda sounds to me like OP is asking for someone else too. Might just be trying to help find a solution for a loved one where they won't pick themselves into a field with a high suicide rate due to workload stress just trying to enter.
Don't do law.
There is a massive oversupply of graduates, the pay is not worth the stress - oh, and the job mostly sucks with just occasional moments of non-sucky-ness.Massive rates of substance abuse, depression and suicide amongst working law graduates as well.
wow, didn't realise they all pay so poorly.
You forgot to mention Investment banking = 90-100 hour weeks, every week, 52 weeks a year.
I always read about Investment Bankers working long hours. Is that because the job demands it? Or is it more to compete with the other workers that work extra hours to move up in the organisation?
Where did you get those banking figures from?
My friends were the BEST of the BEST at ivy leagues in the US and here and the best go to Singapore or HK and get paid NOTHING for the first few years as analysts but then the potential for rises.
By nothing I mean literally hand to mouth because Singapore rent is astronomically high. Maybe $100 discretionary income a week. MAXIMUM.
I don't remember exact figures but MAXIMUM $65k/yr. From memory I even heard $40kish and this is Deutsche Bank, G Sachs level.
Low even by Aus amounts combined with a higher cost of living.You get paid more staying in Aus as a graduate by c. $5k/yr but with a lower cost of living. It is a trade off between future profit and thick skin/ability to accept sacrificing a few years for potential growth.
I work in a bulge bracket bank in a front office role (M&A). Grads start at around 100k + bonus. By year 3 (Analyst 3) you would be on 140-150k + bonus. The salary range in SG/HK is around the same as well especially for expats.
Note this only applies to front office roles. Mid and back office roles would be around the 60k-80k mark. Not sure what your friends do but no one is going to take a front office role at a bulge for less than 100k.
What Lemonade said is true for in SG and HK though. I was working in front office for an American bank and was paid 50+k/year (including overtime) and that was considered one of the highest then. Most of my friends were offered about $36-40k as a fresh grad. Everyone wants to work in front office even at $3k/month cos of the potentially high pay later on.
SG rent isn't too high though if you don't rent one of those private apartments with a pool in the city or popular suburbs. Renting a room in an apartment that's 30min from the CBD is relatively cheap.
How have the bonuses been in the last couple of years? is it on an increasing trend?
Also it'll be useful to know how much those in sales & trading/wealth management teams make
$140-150K for graduates in HK & Singapore! You are absolutely joking. Those figures are completely fabricated and not even close to reality.
Re - the rent.
Are you sure? I was there in January and the rent was still like $800/month for a tiny apartment 30ish mins on the metro line.@Lemonade: oh oops different definition of "astronomically high". You can get cheaper rooms in an apartment for about $600/month too.
http://www.michaelpage.com.hk/salary-survey/Financial%20Serv…
Hong Kong Front office analyst - 125k+ including bonus
@Lemonade: I don't know what you determine BEST of the BEST.
MAXIMUM $65k a year? Your friends are most likely not close to the elite status you claim they are.
Couple of friends were poached BEFORE graduation by banks in Singapore and they were paid roughly 90k and 100k as fresh grads, they had multiple offers before even looking for work.
Although that said, not much of a social life for them.
7 years later… Ferraris and AMGs and multi-million dollar houses.
Anesthetist.
High salary, get to help save lives, and meet all sorts of people.
It was actually one of the highest paying job in Melbourne a few years ago.
If you ignore the 10+ yrs of training before you get there then it's very easy.
lol. CEO's pay well. No one has mentioned that.
Few training positions due to high demand.
A mate still looking for a spot.
Or a dentist? If you set up your own dental clinic after a few years you can earn just as much as an anaesthetist without paying the crazy amt they want for professional indemnity insurance.
Plus you would always have the last word
It's now very hard to get a full time job in a capital city as an anaesthetist, because unlike many other medical specialties, they DIDN'T cap their training places, and so there are way more anaesthetists (and trainees) than the public health budget can support. So if you're choosing that path, be aware you'll probably be working part time +/- rural, at least for the first several years after completing training.
A dermatologist. Best. Easy office hours job, capped number of training places.
unemployed and churn out kids!
after the 5 or 6 they start to pay for themselves!
Does this still work if I adopt the children? If so better deal as someones already done the hard labour.
Plumber and construction
Otherwise utilities or milk product industry according to news, its the golden era for milk exports to China
Become a copper.
They clear around $1500 a week I think.
Could be wrong.It's not what you do its how good you are at it (mostly)
Chemistry teacher.
Chemistry teacher
Good cook
Also an artistYes, Walter comes to mind as best paid chemistry teacher…
umm not particularly well paying unless you are Caramella Bing.
Rodeo Clown
Yeah, but those two examples are not prostitutions.
They are in the adult content business, which does very well.