Help me pick and negotiate a damn expensive car

As someone who is pretty tight I find myself in a weird place.

I need to buy an expensive depreciating asset (Car) that I do not need.

It needs to be a new, or hopefully a demo.

I think I have narrowed it down to a BMW X4 35d or Audi RS Q3.

I want it to do ok in re-sale as we'll probably only hold onto it for 3 years.

If it was up to me we'd be buying a 4 year old mazda 3 diesel hatchback.

I realise how ridiculous this is, but I am pretty grateful of the chance to own a nice car I otherwise wouldn't.

Ok, we have a very small car (mini) that we need to give to another family member in the next month or so. As a result we need to get a new car and family is paying for ~80% of the new car with them wanting us to get an X5 or a Range Rover. We are a couple in our mid 30s living in the city with semi-regular regional commutes. The car needs to be new and flashy, read european label and large in size, as the family puts a big importance on this, but I have convinced them to accept a demonstrator (which I can probably extend to dealer "near new" under 3,000km). It can't be too big as to be a nuisance, which is why i'm ruling out the X5 or range rover. Maximum size is probably an X4, even that's a stretch. I'd like something that can hold some of its resale value, as well as can be expected in the circumstances, because we may trade it in down the track (in 3-4 years) for a more practical car. Mrs wants a sunroof (not negotiable) and heated electric seats and can't stand wagons or hatchbacks. I'm a fan of the new BMW diesels for the freeway Ks and $ filling up the tank, I like hatches but a small SUV is probably the compromise.

Budget is around 90-100k and we can't wait 4-5 months for one to be built and shipped, which helps acceptance of the demo. I still want to be as tight as possible, so looking for the best price available, but I've never negotiated with a dealer before except on an old second hand toyota. What are the traps with buying a demo, what's reasonable to negotiate off the asking price? I've never even seen a new car sales brochure…. Should I look at one of those car buying services? I'm a bit annoyed these "premium" brands only give you 3yrs warranty, what a joke when you're paying this much, so I'd like to get a 5yrs with the car but what's the best way to do this? Should we get pre-paid/capped servicing?

Either the mrs or I think these cars look fugly:
X3, X1, 2-series active tourer.
Mercedies GLA45, GLE. Or pretty much any merc. They're old people cars.
Range Rover freelander

My short list so far would be the
X4
I like the look. It has a superb diesel engine and drives pretty good for an SUV. I think it will hold its value the best. But it's right on the maximum size. Deciding between a 30d/35d.

RS Q3
I figured this would hold its value better than an optioned up regular model? I have also heard the smaller diesel in the Q3s isn't great. It also drives really well. Don't like the fuel usage, but that's the trade off for something fun to drive i guess. I don't think it will hold value as well as the X4.

I'm also considering

  • Landrover Evoque (haven't really done enough digging because sale people ignored us) reviews not so good on safety, plus engines a little dated.
  • BMW 4series 4 door Coupe (IMO looks stunning, mrs not a fan as it "looks flat like a pancake")
  • SQ5 (heard good things about the engine, but might be too big)
  • Porsche Macan diesel ($$ options list is longer than my… + would need negotiating skills) too expensive, unless they're going to do very well in resale, not worth it.

Are there any others I should be considering that fit the brief?

TL:DR
Help me pick an new, around X4 size european car, that will hold its resale and is good to drive. How should I go about negotiating?

Comments

  • +13

    I don't have any personal experience with the cars on your list so I can't contribute, but congrats (in advance) and enjoy the luxury :) I sure don't envy you noticing the first scratch or ding that it gets ;)

    • +5

      Reading more into them all, what about a Porsche Macan? Hmm except possible wait time and just over budget

      • +1

        Yep, that's in my wide list. Haven't yet been to a Porsche dealer to look and talk yet.

        Good things, looks engine and I think it will hold value OK. Great reviews.
        Bad things are the price. It's a bit above the budget. It also has a HUGE options list, barely anything is included from what I understand.

        I had a look on car sales, they're about 105k minimum for a used. I think a cheap demo would be ~115k

        • +1

          Wait time might equal decent resale, but bit hard as it tips the top of the scales on your budget before you look at warranty and maintenance.

          Might be time to re-watch Top Gear for good reviews on these cars ;)

      • +1

        100k from family and chip in 15k yourself for this (less with negotiations etc…) many options included & this is a S badge haha http://www.porschesydneysouth.com.au/Used-Porsche-Detail.asp…

        All problem solved : )

  • +4

    Porsche Cayenne?

  • +6

    Nice one… I would love to be in your position, but not so happy that someone will dictate what car I buy.

    I'm not wealthy but wouldn't accept money from family members to buy a car.

    I'd get a Merc GLC 250d if resale is important. It's just released so won't be superseded in 3-4 years time.

    RSQ3 is just too small…. also look at the Porsche Macan.

    • +3

      Agree, if someone was giving me money I'd really really hope they insisted I bought an investment property, not a car. What a problem to have, eh?

    • I'd consider a Lexus, family not so much. Do agree with you 100% on resale, service costs and reliability.

      NX… styling is ok, not my cup of tea… NX V's tinny and there are some weird angles going on with the new RX, particularly towards the rear. But I still like the look of the RX far better than the previous editions.

        • She even designed the interior!

  • Possibly a BMW or Merc Estate (Wagon)? They hold excellent resale.

    • Yep, I've noticed that in the use market. They're also more far practical!

      However the Mrs wont be seen dead driving or sitting in an estate wagon. Closest I can get to that is the 3 series GT (but it's a little dated now) or a small SUV, hence the X4 or RS Q3.

      • nt :-)

      • +1

        …and I'm in complete agreement with your Mrs. Function over form taken to it's exaggerated extreme. :)

  • +5

    Yuck…

    Go Japanese or go home. Lexus is where it's at.
    How about a Tesla SUV :p

    • Tesla SUV, in my dreams! I'd love one of those, would actually prefer the regular sedan as the Tesla X is a very big car.

      waaay out of the price range though. You're getting up towards 200k plus chargers etc etc. Plus no regional options for fast charging outside of the direct SYD/Melb route

  • +2

    Jaguar XF or F-Pace…..Tesla..Love the look of the new Volvo XC90. If you can hold for lil longer, EOFYS generally have some good runout deals on the Euro's. RSQ3 too quick and small….read the reviews please….motoring experts were scratching their heads on the need for a quick SUV. To quote:

    "But the biggest elephant in the room was highlighted by the Audi S3 Sportback we drove around the same time – that car was faster, much more satisfying and pretty much just as practical. Oh, and a trifling $20,000-odd cheaper.

    Which isn’t to say the RS Q3 is a terrible car. But unless you’re hopelessly devoted to the SUV cause, it is rather pointless"

    As per Spackbace, I have no experience dealing with the yard salesman for the car's on your list. I wouldn't be on OZB if that's the case ;-) Lexus FTW in terms of reliability, practicality, warranty, maintenance & resale. I was told that there are quite a big wiggle room on a new car than a demo and more often they will only shave a few thousands on a demo.

    • thanks. Hadn't considered the JAG. They look great.

      No idea how they are for reliability in 2016. But everyone knows how unreliable the jaguars of yesteryear were. Maybe being owned by Tata? Those tuk tuks go forever :)
      I know a class action lawyer who has one, probably very confident in his abilities to get satisfaction should anything go wrong.

      Agree the RS Q3 fits into an odd niche. But they're walking out the doors. Had been looking at two demos, both vanished when i turned around. Current Car is a mini cooper, so size isn't an issue.

      • +1

        haha…good one…5 year warranty, capped price servicing will keep the JAG ahead of the Euro pack but unsure of the resale value. Mate who works for Merc service dept tells me that Beamers with M Sport, Merc's with AMG pack & AUDI S & RS will sell like hot cakes in the second hand market as it appeals to the younger markets or older gen going thru mid-life crisis. X4 or 5 series is a good choice…..I would start off with a quote on a new car and bargain as they have a lot of wiggle room on a newer one over a demo anyday but be prepared to take a big depreciation hit even after savings.

        I would stay away from VAG subsidiaries until the true fallout of the scandal is known. They are yet to front the court and foot the bill in US and other countries, so tread carefully! Good luck.

        Edit: Don't forget to ask about the corporate program plan with the new european cars as long as your company is listed with them on the program.

        • Thanks for that. VAG group is definitely a consideration that counts against the RS Q3. Audi used to be a poor mans BMW/Merc and has built its reputation up. Doesn't take much to change perceptions and this saga hasn't run the full course. It will be news for years.

          I have my own company, so no corporate program for me.

          Would you recommend one of those "professional buyers" do the negotiating?

          This was recommended in a similar thread: http://autoexpert.com.au/
          Interesting comments on the rangerover evoque, looks like I can cross that off my list. The engines in the evoque are all pretty dated now against the new german diesels.
          http://autoexpert.com.au/buying-a-car/top-3-death-trap-luxur…

  • +2

    1 thing, be careful of the pricing for demos at that price, as they will be plus stamp duty… and stamp duty + luxury car tax @ $100k is pretty considerable!

    • Thanks for that. I had no idea. So "driveway" for a demo on carsales isn't really all inclusive driveaway? There are still taxes to pay?

      I've been eyeing some X4 35d around the low mid 90s as "drive away". LCT and stamp duty would push those above 100k.

      • +1

        Drive away is everything included, if it doesn't list it as drive away then it's plus stamp duty and luxury car tax.

        EG in WA the stamp duty and transfers on a $90k car are $5866.75

  • +3

    BMW X4 30d or the Porsche Macan S Diesel. Neither use much fuel for the performance you get, though the Porsche drives a little better.

    • Reviews seem to agree with the Porsche too. Just seems to be right out of the price range.

      Have done a bit more digging and think and demos (rare as they are) are optioned up to >120k

  • Have a look at V8 Touareg

    • Thanks. Getting a bit too big though.

      Plus the VW badge (even though VAG is similar to Audi or Porsche) doesn't cut it with the family.

      Otherwise id have looked pretty hard at an older diesel VW Tiguan.

      • If badge is the only thing that concerns you fair enough but the Touareg is build on the same platform as Cayenne and the V8 is from Porsche.

        Give it a test drive you will be surprised + it comes with all the gizmos as standard incl 100l fuel tank.

        you can get MY15 for just under 100k and if dealer is motivated they can even thrown in VW 5y unlimited km warranty ( I just bought one so I know:)

        • Badge not so much a concern for me. Although I am mindful of the reputation damage to the VW badge due to the emissions scandal.

          I've heard good things about the engine, it's just a really big car. Too big for me.

        • +3

          Fair enough.

          FYI you dont by big V6/V8 engines and then worry about emissions :)

  • +1

    my wife works for audi head office so i have had the pleasure to drive the SQ5 and RSQ3 - both are awesome. i find the sq5 has a better ride where the rsq3 is a beast but takes about 1 second extra to really punch (im guessing this comment doesnt really worry you too much). personally if i had the extra money go the sq5 (cost around 90k or so) otherwise the rq3 which i think is around 80k is an excellent option especially as it is slightly smaller so better to park.

    • +2

      thanks, that's good to know actually.

      I'm not a mad car person. But I prefer a car with an instant response to the accelerator (merging, overtaking or getting out of a tight spot) over a faster car that takes a while to spin up. I also love the way diesels just cruise along on the freeway. When we had two cars mine was an old Mazda 3 diesel, brilliant little thing.

  • +19

    First world problems, eh?

    • worse.

  • +3

    a car is not something you usually let other people "pick" for you.
    as far as negotiating goes, get in touch with a car broker.
    that's their day to day job and what they are good at.

    • I agree re broker.

      There's an Australian guy called "John Cadogan" on YouTube who dishes the dirt on the car industry here. John is not completely clean himself: he's affiliated with some auto broker network, but I would consider contacting him if I was in the market for a new car. Search his name on YouTube, watch some of his videos, you'll see what I mean.

  • Why diesel? It stinks, make your hands greasy and smelly when you fill up, and sounds like crap. The only reason they sell so much in Europe is because diesel is half the price of petrol at the pump.

    If you want something flash, expensive and small, have a look at the Range Rover Evoque if you really want a SUV/4WD (but… what for?)

    Otherwise there are plenty of choices in sedans and coupes, new C class, 3 series, Mustang!

    • Diesel is slightly cheaper in Europe, but not half the price.
      One of the reason they buy diesel in Europe too is because motors last much longer.
      They do not have large Unleaded motors like we have in Australia, and to give you an example, a small 1.8L Unleaded looses its value around 140,000km while a 1.8L Diesel can easily go up to 200,000km and more if well maintained.
      Also, you can do much more km with the same amount of Liters with a diesel vs a unleaded.

      But for Australia, agree they are better choice with Unleaded petrol!

      • +1

        The reliability was better in the old days of simple, low-revving, non-turbo engines. Those could go forever. Over the last 10 years, with crazy compression ratios, huge injection pressure and other variable geometry turbos, the engines became very complex and no tas reliable.

        Especially with people using them for small trips where the engine never gets to an optimal running temperature, the turbos get clogged with particles, and it leads to very expansive repairs.. But they saved on fuel :D

        • I've always liked Diesel. Did my driving test on an old 80 series turbo diesel landcruiser. I could feel the earth moving as I bunny hopped down the road on my first ever drive.

          Something about them, I like torque more than I like power. It's just there at low revs ready for action without needing to really work hard.

          Re-europe. Those little diesels are also fantastic on european freeways where the speed limits are a lot higher. A little 1 litre diesel Peugeot was actually pretty pleasant and effortless at 140-150kmph. If you tried those same speeds in a 1.2 petrol it would be a chore.

          Agree with you on reliability questions, I think the jury is still out on some of the more advanced engines.

        • +1

          Get 6 cylinder petrol and you'll get that low-end availability ;) And they're not necessarily thirsty. BMW engines for example are very efficient on petrol, smooth and creamy :)

          The downsizing is happening on petrol engines too, now it's hard to get anything bigger than a 1.6, supercharged, turbocharged or both (VW 1.4 TSI)

          Great little engines, hard to tell they're tiny 3 or 4 cylinders, but I don't know about long-term reliabilty now…

        • @kanter: Absolutely. The 4 pot turbos, whilst quick, don't have the low end grunt and instant response of a 6 cyl turbos.

        • @ChickenTalon:
          The only place the speed limits are a lot higher is on the Autobarns in Germany.. Otherwise pretty much the same as here and that's assuming no roadworks (which there almost always are).

        • +1

          @scubacoles: mmmm have driven in italy/france/germany. The limits were either 130kph or in Germany where they had some higher. In reality I sat on 140-145 like everyone else.

        • @ChickenTalon:
          Maybe the "southern" countries can afford to risk those higher speeds?
          I've not driven Italy or France…
          Only UK, Belgium/Netherlands and Germany. We were lucky to get much above 100 before the next roadworks and contraflow slowed us down again.

        • @Cheap Charlie:
          Interesting read. The fact that all diesel are now turbos also explains the lower compression rates.

          I wasn't talking about particle filters at the exhaust level, (which get clogged too if they don't get to do their regeneration cycles) but further up, internally, turbos and EGR valves end up blocked by unburnt particles

      • +1

        "a small 1.8L Unleaded looses its value around 140,000km while a 1.8L Diesel can easily go up to 200,000km and more if well maintained"

        Loses value in terms of market value, or power/reliability? I have a 2L Lancer that's been running 140k km on LPG and 70k km on petrol. 210k total, and after its recent scheduled service the mechanics found no problems (including valve clearance check).

        Petrol engines can last a very long time, and the old and reliable diesel engines of decades past are no indication that today's high compression ratio, 1600 psi injector pressure engines are going to be as good.

        • +1

          I don't get it either, all petrol engines will last a long time if serviced/not mistreated. I know plenty of people with small 4 cylinder engines that have done more than 200k and some that have done 350. The engine is never the reason they are getting rid of it unless they skimped on servicing or did something silly/ignored something important (aside from some shit boxes that have dodgy engines to begin with). Why do you think engine reconditioning is out of fashion? That and prices of cars have come down (or stayed the same while everything else has gone up)

        • +1

          @Jackson:

          I remember reading something about the average engine outlasting the other components of the car before it becomes non-economical to fix.

          There's more to a car than just an engine.

  • I know a good new car broker he looked after my mother and my sister in law. Happy to pass on details in private.

    • I cant seem to contact you priv. can you please send me the details of the broker?

  • +3

    Infiniti QX70? I remember when Ricciardo came once to uni and they did rock up in these. Not sure if it was the previous version but they did seem nice.

  • +1

    +1 for Infiniti.

    If you live inner city, I thought a 4WD would be annoyingly large? I found it strange everytime I saw an older lady make multiple attempts to reverse parallel park her Audi Q7 on Toorak Rd / Chapel St <insert busy inner city strip shopping street>…

    I personally am looking at an Infiniti Q50 Hybrid… 268kw, 6.x L/100kms… oozing luxury and features (14 Bose speakers and with the Lane Departure Warning (LDW), Lane Departure Prevention (LDP) + adaptive cruise control it's practically a driveless car - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY_zqEmKV1k).

    A 4WD Hybrid is on the cards but it will not meet your timeframes.

    • Thanks.

      Just had a bit of a look into the QX70. The petrol versions seem very quick. but extremely thirsty. 12.1L on the combined cycle for the smallest V6 is way too thirsty for me. Would leave the Diesel, which looks pretty slow (in the current selection set) and not that great on fuel either.

      • I agree… that's the only problem with them. I won't tell you how much fuel my V36 uses but damn it's quick! I guess they were working on the performance hybrid technology, can't wait till they roll it out. Mercedes have licensed the engine for their new C class.

  • I forgot to add… the 2015-2016 BMW X3 is practically as big as the X5 these days (to me).

    • But I think the X3 is a bit dated now. Isn't the new one coming next year?

  • +1

    I would go for a Mercedes GLC250 petrol or diesel, get them to throw in an extended warranty and that will help with resale, Extended warranties are always available on new cars and are thrown in during their run out or promotions. Just make sure it's a manufacturers warranty and not a third party one. GLCs are just out so getting a big discount will be difficult however the GLC 250 model comes with many features standard that are options on competing cars eg, lane keeping, real leather, 360 camera. Buying the top end performance model isn't a good idea as there are less buyers so worse resale usually worse resale.

    Best way to negotiate is to get quotes from different manufacturers and have them play off each other at the end of the month.

    Another possibility is a Mercedes GLA, has the badge and the base 180 will be "only" 47K

  • +2

    In regards to haggling for a luxury car, don't be afraid and think you'll lose face or look cheap. My employer loves European cars over $100k, and he said he and some of his buddies will haggle vigorously for a better deal. They can afford to pay sticker price but choose not to.

    • +2

      Thanks. I don't have much shame when it comes to asking for a better price. Just no experience in doing it with car dealers.

      Even though it's not my money, I can't bring myself to waste any of it knowing I could have gotten a better deal.

  • +19

    Perhaps you are confused…This is ozbargain, not ozbraggin

    • +8

      Oh man, wait till you see my eneloop collection.

  • +7

    We are a couple in our mid 30s living in the city

    You're living in the city with no kids, why are you getting an SUV? They're harder to navigate around city streets, harder to park, waste more fuel and instantly make you more hated on the road. Go for a mid-sized sedan or even a small one. SUVs are always annoying on the road, they block vision for people behind them, they often drive recklessly.

    The car needs to be new and flashy, read european label and large in size, as the family puts a big importance on this

    This is the complete antithesis of good resale value. The flashier the car, the more its resale value drops. The larger the car, the more its resale value drops and the more European the car, the more its resale value drops. Trust me on this.

    I got a Toyota Camry for the same price new as one of my friends got a similar spec'd Toyota Corolla, a much smaller car. Almost 10 years later, his Corolla is worth more than my Camry, but that doesn't matter to me because I intend to drive this car until it's ready to go to the wreckers. If you intend to resell, the decisions you're making are probably the worst you could possibly make. The cars that keep the best resale value are the most utilitarian cars, not the flashy ones.

    With very expensive cars, you can easily lose half the value in a few years.

  • +6

    I need to buy an expensive depreciating asset (Car) that I do not need.

    It's things like this why I think our tax system is messed.

  • +1

    I hope this link makes your decision easier.
    I have a Range Rover Sport, 116k negotiated with 3 years complimentary servicing. Diesel and turbocharged.
    Actually why not do a Porsche Macan? edit ignore they having waiting list 1yr+

    http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/how-to-choose-the-rig…

    • Great link. Not at all what I'd thought actually. I've always bought used cars (Mazda and Toyota) and pretty much offloaded them for close to what I paid.

      Turns out the X4 and Q3 should do ok.
      Older RSQ3 is suffering because they revised it with a major power upgrade after just over a year, but still holding value well. Even though the car itself makes no sense.

      Porsche Macan, in my dreams

    • RRS is pretty neat, I have the v8 SV autobiography model and its pretty nippy for such a large one. That was just sub 200k with servo.

  • +1

    This post is so dumb

    For real

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bobp5OHVsWY

  • +1

    definitely macan S diesel.. will have best of the resale and best of the bunch and it's real luxury..
    "The Macan S Diesel isn’t as quick as the SQ5 and it isn’t as economical as the X4, but it’s an extraordinary all-rounder with a level of engineering quality and cabin presentation that transcends its price tag."
    http://www.caradvice.com.au/308887/audi-sq5-v-bmw-x4-30d-v-p…

    • Agree the Porsche would easily be the pick in that group. However it's not really a like for like comparison.

      SQ5 well optioned demo can be had for 95k before haggling.
      X4 30d can be easily well below 90k. and there is a refreshed 35d which has fully optioned demos listed below 95k.

      Porsche Macan demos don't really exist. You're easily looking at 120 or higher for a similarly equipped Porsche. Having said that I be giving it a shake at a dealer, see what I can possibly get them to do, can't hurt. Many people are recommending the Macan.

  • Have you looked at a Porsche Macan GTS. It might retain its value just because of the "GTS" and dont forget its a "PORSCHE". I'm no expert but just bias as I'm waiting delivery for mine.

    • Congrats. That's on the wish list down the road, I'd settle for the S diesel, if it was near budget or available in a few months.

  • mate owns a land rover dealership. drives a landcruiser. tells me everything I need to know! (he got sick of sitting by the roadside with his 2 tonne paperweight waiting for a tow!) on the plus side, they depreciate like sinking lead!

    Buy a landcruiser, or buy a range + a mechanic to live in the back seat!

    • +11

      I think Toyota is too mainstream and not exclusive enough for OP and their materialistic family who judge others on the car they drive

  • +2

    Get a Holden HSV Maloo and stick it to your rellies.

    http://www.hsv.com.au/GEN-F2/see/maloo-r8/

    • My blood is blue, but I still agree with this. Buy a Focus RS with the change.

      • That focus RS looks like a great car. I'd also settle for the fiesta.

        • I think it's the Fiesta I was thinking of, well spotted.

    • haha! he can whack the kids in the 'back'!

  • +1

    Volvo XC90.

    • Thanks. Those do look pretty good. But they're massive.

      • That's true. A lot of car for the money. Please tell us what you end up with.

      • Oh ok something a bit smaller. I think someone has already mentioned the Mercedes GLC.

  • +2

    From the ATO:
    https://www.ato.gov.au/newsroom/smallbusiness/lodging-and-pa…
    Income tax
    There's an upper limit on the cost you use to work out the depreciation for the business use of your car or station wagon (including four-wheel drives). You use the car limit that applies to the year you first use or lease the car.
    The car limit for 2015-16 remains at $57,466.
    Goods and services tax (GST)
    Generally, if you purchase a car and the price is more than the car limit, the maximum amount of GST credit you can claim is one-eleventh of the car limit amount.
    You can't claim a GST credit for any luxury car tax you pay when you purchase a luxury car, regardless of how much you use the car in carrying on your business.
    Luxury car tax
    From 1 July 2015 the luxury car tax threshold for luxury cars increased to $63,184.
    The threshold for fuel efficient luxury cars for 2015-16 remains at $75,375.
    In general, the value of a car includes the value of any parts, accessories or attachments supplied or imported at the same time as the car.

    You will want to confirm depreciation.

    • I had not even considered the tax implications of what would be claimable.

      Depreciating asset comment was really a reference to the car losing value, didn't occur to me that there would be a tax benefit to it when I use it for work. What a crazy system we have.

    • thanks for that. very interesting.

      Trick seems to be to create a bit of obligation on the dealer, perhaps they didn't call you back, or told you something was available.

      But there is plenty more to read in there.

  • +1

    I was able to drive a friend's SQ5 recently and it's a great car.

  • +4

    From your posts you sound like a smart bloke. Toyotas and Mazdas are often good options, and an astute buyer like yourself can sometimes buy and sell and lose very little on the car in the process (provided you don't get too attached to it and keep it longer than is optimum) .

    However, why you want to throw all this away, and potentially also some dignity, to buy a car (or more correctly have one bought for you) and have that car dictated to you by family members is a completely foreign concept to me? Call me a rebel, but if someone offered me that option (or ultimatum if it's appropriate) I would flat out tell them to shove it, and then insist on turning up to every event in the biggest shit box I can find. Hell I would even go out and buy a shitbox to turn up in just to piss them off on the weekends, so I didn't have to turn up in my nice Toyota or Mazda that I bought myself with my hard earned. Also why insist on a big car when you could be just as comfortable in a smaller car like the ones you mentioned? Better still if it's just 2 of you get a motorbike, not a Harley, they may like the status, get an Enfield or something.

    I guess what I am getting at is it may be nice for someone to front the cash for something you need, like an operation, or even a holiday, but fronting the cash for a car and then putting caveats on what you spend it on, you are losing more than you are gaining if you ask me. Often accepting these type of gifts gives people or at least gives them the assumption of leverage. Just my 2c but probably what a lot of other people here are thinking.

    • +2

      All good points (especially the first sentence). My initial reaction was indeed to tell them to shove off and I did it politely.

      But there are some cultural differences, in their culture the "family" makes just about all the decisions until 50+. Where you'll be living, even what work you'll be doing. So to them we are pretty independent already and I'd given in on this one. It's just a car to me. Work, where we live, children etc are off limits for family decision making. You pick your battles and they are actually nice people that i generally get along really well with. Just a different culture.

      Leverage. Exactly, agreed 100%. This would be payback for a lots of things we've done for them and/or future things we will do.

      • +3

        Out of curiosity, what is the family background? Asian descent?

        • I'm thinking Singaporean or Taiwanese

      • +1

        All good mate, as long as you are going in with eyes wide open. I do appreciate cultural differences, I also do things for people all the time and am often told "why would you do that?" but it's just in the blood so to speak to help people out if you know something they dont. I also appreciate that sometimes you have to let people do things for you for their own sake, if it's better to give than to receive then sometimes you need to let people give.

        Regarding the car, someone else mentioned John Cadogan, maybe you can buy a Tesla if it's not too much, I am hitting the dealership Sunday (not buying, just checking it out) but not sure about wait times.

  • +1

    Have you looked at the new 5 door mini or the countryman?

  • +1

    Not going to recommend Merc to you some you are bias against it. ;) we have both B and C class but never feel old.

    From our experiences, Merc is hard to negotiate when you are buying first car. 1-4K Max.

    BMW is a bit better than Merc, 3-7k

    A mate managed to get Audi to give 20% off his new Q5! Took 4 months to arrive.

    You just have to show them you have intention to buy and return for more. Like looking for another car for your wife to pretend. :)

    Good luck bargaining!

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