I was feeling guilty for not posting a deal for a while. Found this while browsing optus website.
Looks like this price is good until 1st may.
Comes with $30 bonus recharge. 4 interest free instalments of $119.75 every fourteen days is another bonus.
I'm waiting for Android fanboys to jump in and comment how apple is ripping us ;)
Start music.
My iPhone 3gs from 2009 or 2010 is still going strong and the phone quality is too good. Yes it is damn expensive, no innovative features in a while but still its an APPLE :) Don't tell anyone that I'm also using Telstra buzz 4gx with latest Android ;)
How did you get latest Android? My buzz is on lollipop.
Probably doesn't know what's latest?
Latest android is 6 …..buzz is android 5……will probably never see 6 …..android aren't very good at supporting older phones with updates …..I'm an android user .
A flagship is guarantied ~3 years of official support/2 major versions, +3 more of community support. The HTC HD2 from 2009 is still going strong, with Marshmallow running smoothly
If you new anything you would know iPhones are not locked, what do you thing Apple make special iPhone for Optus that's locked? lol.
id definitely spend $200 more for the iPhone SE. substantially better speed, battery and camera
iPhone 5s is poor man's SE ;)
or a richer man's 5.
Better to get Good Guys gift cards then the SE.
what is the deal on GG gift cards?
and always have something new
like a hole in your pocket…
The difference between android and apple: battery and longevity.
Bought a 6 month old iPhone 5s. Used for almost 2 years. Gave to mum.
Phone is almost 3 years old and the battery is still good
The Mrs has a 2 year old nexus 5 that lasts her til 5pm (how appropriately named).
Honestly once you pay 500+ all phones are more or less the same. Apple holds its resale better because it kicks on for years. Android has a 2 year life
That being said, I would pony up for the SE. But this is still a good price for a great phone
I have a nexus 5 which is 2 years old and it lasts more than a day easily. I can also use an iPhone in such a way that it won't last the whole day. It depends a lot on the usage.
Apple holding resale value better? Not exactly. I paid nearly $1000 for my iPhone 4 and sold it for $200 about 2 years ago. I bought Acer Liquid Metal for $160 and sold it for about $140 (1.5 years later). I don't want to even think about how much I am going to lose selling my iPhone 5S, especially now iPhone SE is out.
I am still quite upset about iPad 3 and Apple released iPad 4 less than 12 months later. I know my iPad 3 dropped in value so much.
Nexus 5 was very reasonably priced. In terms of value for money, Nexus 5 outshines any iPhone.
As iPhone users, we can be more objective, rather than picking an Android phone which has inferior battery life than most Android phones. Value for money, let's not kid ourselves. We are not proud of paying Apple tax or Apple logo or whatever you want to call it.
Precisely. I have a Nexus 5 and all you said holds true. Sensational phone. On the other hand, my uncles and my bosses iPhoney 5 phones had dead batteries within 12 months and replacements didn't fare better. In fact many of these phones were recalled for battery replacements - check online and you'll know what I mean. Once you've read sagiballs, make sure to eat your words or suck your sagiballs even.
Your usage may vary.
Apple replaced affected handsets with a brand new phone even 2 years after the fact.
Nexus 5 is an ok phone but it falls down hard with battery, speaker and camera.
Your response is typical android fanboi. Suck my sagiballs? Nah I'll just smile how sad it is that you're mad over a phone
Errrr your selective research doesn't surprise me being an Apple fanboi n all. :)
If you objectively look for facts and people's experiences, you'll find they only replaced some with specific manufacture dates. With others that developed problems down the track, they chose to do nothing even after being threatened legal action. My boss's phones battery actually died after 13 months so he went in and they told him his phone was not eligible for a replacement (note the replacements people got were factory refurbs not new like you state). He left the store with the Genius Bar giving him a cute $369 repair bill with their diagnosis inconclusive. He took it to the local Chinese guy instead who then replaced his battery for $50 (aftermarket, which also died after 8 months and he then binned the phone in dusgust). My uncle's 5 got a replacement handset but that died after a year too. It's currently running on a Chinese battery. 5 was a dud but 5s addressed the battery issues its predecessor had.
As for the N5, I'm actually happy with the battery life even after 3 years of use and is at par with my missus' 5s. Granted - the camera is average and the speaker could be a little better, but for half the price of iPhone at the time of release, I could tolerate that at the time, though with the numerous competitive options we have now, I would certainly be seeking better. BTW the N5 has recentky been relegated to the status of spare.
was it really nearly $1000 for iPhone 4? the AUD was a lot stronger back then. iPhones only started getting $1000+ recently over the past few years
It was above $900.. from memory closer to $1000. I bought the most expensive model at the time. I did get a free bumper case from Apple due to the infamous antenna gate. I took good care of the iPhone 4, but the home button did play up. I sent it in for repair and the repairer told me it is a well known issue with the part (it will eventually fail, apparently the 4S uses a different part which is better). Even if it was $900, I still lost $700. The home button has been an issue for me for multiple i-Devices (there is another one which has a home button that sooner or later will need replacing, it hasn't deteriorated to the state I can bring to Apple for repair/replacement yet but I know it is just a matter of time).
Apple does have a good after sales service. Their 14 day no question asked money back return is great.
In reality, we need both iDevices and Android devices to continue to do well. Competition will help us. Competition brings Larger screen, NFC, free navigation to iPhones (and fingerprint reader, dual flashes to Android devices). There is no point raving iPhone 5s now. If it is that good, why did Apple introduce iPhone SE?
You are being wilfully obtuse if you say iPhones have poor resale value. They would have the most value out of any phones.
You guys are playing the maths trick. Yes, it will sell more than an equivalent Android device, but it costed more (a lot more).
In terms of net loss, the i-devices I owned which suffered the LEAST amount of loss are iPod touches. All the iPhones are high loss items. Did they sell higher than iPod touches? Of course they did… but if an second hand iPhone only sold $50 more but costed $650 more, does having better "resale" value really mean anything?
Let me give you an example. In this example, we will assume I can somehow sell my iPhone 5S at the price Optus is offering. Also, we will also assume I can sell my LG G2 for $200.
My iPhone 5S: $999 [before] - $479 [now] = $520 [loss]
My LG G2: $399 [before] - $200 [now] = $199 [loss]
So, does iPhone 5S have a better resale value? Yes. The question is, am I actually better off?
You can't be serious.
That's a fresh install and it has a one second delay opening up the phone app. LOL stock bloated touchwiz would have ran faster. Good joke
Yeah I'm sure there's downsides to owning 6 year old phones. iPhone 4 lags worse than that on ios 7. :)
I think the fact that Google provide 3 years of support on the nexus goes against your idea that Android phones only have 2 years life spans. I think most 2013 era flagships phones still perform more than adequate. Actually apart from better camera, and screen there's very little point to updating every 2 years now.
I have the original gen galaxy tab 1 (same era) with 1 gig ram running android 4.0 (Europe ROM - as Samsung Australia wouldn't provide OTA since the gen 2 dropped after ice cream sandwich and they did SFA for other existing users)
Long story short - it doesn't lag this bad.
You went on YouTube to show there is ROM support for an old device just to show it can be done. Doesn't matter if it's done shite. How sad.
3GS on anything after iOS 4.1. 4 on anything after 5. 4s after 6. They're all unusable, un-downgradable piece of shit.
I'm impressed someone has gone to the effort on a 6 year old phone. Big gap between Android 4 to 6, that's like 4 years almost?
here we go! Insecure android users inbound
Hmmm, I'd probably say 5s is now too old. I assume those people who want an iPhone 5s would be someone who want something that's small and has iOS (within certain budget). I guess this is an option for those people I've mentioned just then.
That said, I frankly think iPhone SE is a better option. Either wait for it to become cheaper (as it's just released, I assume we'd have a 20% eBay deal sooner or later) or even grey importing it (US price without GST was around $520, from Apple Store + XE.com I believe?) in my opinion is better if you can wait for it.
The a7 still holds up well. I couldn't pay this type of money for one, I'd probably find a second hand one for $250 or a z3 compact if I was in the market for this size phone. The z3 compact is the same size but battery life is basically double with front facing speakers and bigger screen because iPhone put small screen on a big body.
I am kind of on the opinion that it's not fun to move from OS to OS nor like the idea of recommending devices from other OSs unless people actively show interest to me. Hence why I didn't bring any Android phones.
I think the bigger irk about iPhone 5s would probably be the RAM and more importantly, how it's already a 2 1/2 years old device. You have a newer model that's pretty much better in every aspect. I kinda think iPhone SE is a better buy in the long run. Yes, it's more expensive but given how eBay promotions reasonably frequent, I don't see price being that much of a factor. Plus this is similar to how much you'd pay for an iPhone SE in US (in other words, I can see grey imports coming down to this kind of price eventually).
Yeah I'm not recommending people move os.
The ram is fine on a 5s. It has a low resolution screen and ios handles memory management better than Android. I wouldbe more concerned by lack of ram in newer apple devices that use higher resolution screens.
Sure the SE is better in every conceivable way and the better buy if you can afford the extra. The 5s still holds up quite well and will continue to do so though. People seem to forget the a7 is a powerful SoC and combined with the lower res screen helps performance even more so. The 5s out performs my newer G4 at certain things.
@Ronnnie: I probably am going to disagree with you with memory being adequate a little, since one of the reasons why some people are thinking about moving to newer models is because 1GB is not enough. One of my friend complains about the safari refreshes for example (he's thinking of getting iPhone 7+ (whatever that's going to be called). iOS have more stringent memory management, at least so I've heard and seen, that said, 1GB will be limiting for many in my opinion.
With more RAM (2GB) being a norm in newer iOS devices, I personally think I'd rather get a 2GB RAM device for "future proofing". iOS has been reducing limitations on their background processes since iOS 7, not just split screen but like background app refresh, for example. SoC is not simply CPU and GPU and newer generation ones are usually more efficient (better finFET and all), which iPhone SE does boast (it I think lasts as long as iPhone 6s according to Apple?). I am pretty sure they've improved the ISP and DAC on the SoC as well, but I personally don't look into those that much. Another example of SoC improvements would be showin in Always on Siri. All in all, it's 2 1/2 old device.
Of course, iPhone 5s will probably be adequate for light uses and it is cheaper, though I personally think grabbing iPhone SE and using it for longer is better (iPhone 5s will become obslete far before iPhone SE would, just from looking at the generation difference between A7 and A9). I think it'd give you very tangible differences in user experience.
The price difference, in my opinion, is fairly miniscule considering that iPhone SE is just released. We'd see eBay promotions, grey import price coming down to a cheaper price, etc etc.
Actually the amount of tabs you can have open in safari and switch between without reloads is one reason why I think 1gb on the 5s is still quite good.
Well I just tested safari again then, i had hangouts open and have a couple of games running in background at same time. I gave up after having 10 websites open, no reloads switching between that many tabs. The games didn't reload either. Switching back to the browser and between tabs and still no reloads. I don't think currently 1gb will give many people browser reloads on the 5s. How many people have more than 10 tabs open with a couple of active games at the same time? I suppose after the phone is idling for a while is when you see the reloads?
The SE is certainly a huge step up, but don't think the 5s is a poor performer by any means. It will still plays mobile games better than my G4. It just I can't live with 4 inch screen. Lol
@Ronnnie: Let's agree to disagree. It'd depend on you have on your phone that said:
http://forums.imore.com/ios-7/263115-iphone-5s-sporadically-… Something like this can easily happen.
To sum up what I've said before, I personally think iPhone 5s is at stage where it's looking at possible redundancy in few more updates. At the very least, I think I can say iPhone SE would last far longer than iPhone 5s. It's 2 1/2 years old model and SoC do not just contain CPU and GPU nor SoC upgrade involves upgrading just those two. iPhone SE is not that expensive compared to 5s, in my opinion. Even if you find it too expensive, I think we'd see eBay promotions, grey import price coming down to a cheaper price, etc etc. I personally think it's better to wait for an iPhone SE bargain.
To sum it up even further, why get something old when you can expect a newer model that's better in every respect at similar price sooner or later?
Something like that can easily happen in 2013?. :) You just shown right there you aren't familiar at all with the device you are criticizing. You are basing your opinion on outdated and misleading incorrect 2nd hand information. You are wrong about Safari having reloading issues and you are also wrong about 5s having restarting issues on iOS 9.3.1, yes that was correct on 7.. Go and test the device for yourself and base your information on first hand current use.
The same reason why anyone buys something older, to save money. You can source the 5s new on ebay for around $350, which is around 50% the price of the SE on eBay. You could save 20% on the 5s during one of those sales too. Another persons argument would be why spend around double for the SE when a 5s does everything well enough for their needs?
@Ronnnie: Yes, because I need to ask my friend to take his older phone out, that he've sold off for the reasons I've mentioned. My opinion don't evolve around iPhone 5s being shit or anything like that. My opinion is, I think iPhone SE is a better buy.
The only reason I've posted that was to show that lowmemory issues (i.e. why more RAM is better) does happen to people with iPhone 5s, though in hindsight, I should've just stuck to the links to the image instead.
Here are what I've said, I think I've been saying the same thing over and over again.
As I said, I do see it being adequate for light uses:
To quote myself:
"Of course, iPhone 5s will probably be adequate for light uses and it is cheaper, though I personally think grabbing iPhone SE and using it for longer is better."
"I kinda think iPhone SE is a better buy in the long run."
Since:
"I personally think iPhone 5s is at stage where it's looking at possible redundancy in few more updates. At the very least, I think I can say iPhone SE would last far longer than iPhone 5s."
Because:
"looking at the generation difference between A7 and A9"
"SoC is not simply CPU and GPU and newer generation ones are usually more efficient (better finFET and all), which iPhone SE does boast (it I think lasts as long as iPhone 6s according to Apple?). I am pretty sure they've improved the ISP and DAC on the SoC as well."
"Another example of SoC improvements would be showin in Always on Siri."
"iOS has been reducing limitations on their background processes since iOS 7, not just split screen but like background app refresh."
Therefore:
"I think it'd give you very tangible differences in user experience."
Not only that:
"Yes, it's more expensive but given how eBay promotions reasonably frequent, I don't see price being that much of a factor."
"The price difference, in my opinion, is fairly miniscule considering that iPhone SE is just released. We'd see eBay promotions, grey import price coming down to a cheaper price."
"Plus this is similar to how much you'd pay for an iPhone SE in US"
"US price without GST was around $520"
If I were to add bit more to what I've said before, if we are talking about eBay promotions, a lot of the eBay promotions are store specific (i.e. 20% off Kogan + other vendors etc). I don't think you'd be able to find an iPhone 5s that easily on those vendors (I checked Kogan, couldn't find one on Kogan eBay). Even if you can, I think I've already given my reasons why I think investing slightly more is better.
Why do you keep posting out dated information? 2013? Yes ios 7 had memory leak issues. So did Lollipop for that matter. What's your point exactly that an older outdated version of an os suffered bugs that have since been resolved? Why not post current relevant information? Or can't you find any to support your argument?
Just a reminder since you are moving goal posts now, your previous argument was that 1gb was inadequate on the 5s?
@Ronnnie: I am not changing my argument, I simply think 1GB is too small and it's going to be the thing that's gonna make iPhone 5s redundant in the long run. Hence why I've mentioned RAM mostly. I've been saying this all along.
1st comment:
"I guess this is an option for those people I've mentioned just then."
"That said, I frankly think iPhone SE is a better option."
2nd comment:
"I think the bigger irk about iPhone 5s would probably be the RAM and more importantly, how it's already a 2 1/2 years old device. You have a newer model that's pretty much better in every aspect. I kinda think iPhone SE is a better buy in the long run."
3rd comment:
"With more RAM (2GB) being a norm in newer iOS devices, I personally think I'd rather get a 2GB RAM device for "future proofing". iOS has been reducing limitations on their background processes since iOS 7, not just split screen but like background app refresh"
"Of course, iPhone 5s will probably be adequate for light uses and it is cheaper, though I personally think grabbing iPhone SE and using it for longer is better"
4th comment:
"To sum up what I've said before, I personally think iPhone 5s is at stage where it's looking at possible redundancy in few more updates. At the very least, I think I can say iPhone SE would last far longer than iPhone 5s."
All my comments were circling around the fact that iPhone 5s will become redundant far quicker. Never in my comment I've said, iPhone 5s is unusable, my focus was the comparative difference in spec. The reason I've posted that image was:
5th comment:
"The only reason I've posted that was to show that lowmemory issues (i.e. why more RAM is better) does happen to people with iPhone 5s."
The image was from the forum link I've posted, the image was the only thing I wanted to post. I only wanted to post that image of the log from iPhone 5s. That's because:
From 5th comment:
"[my friend] sold off [iPhone 5s] for the reasons I've mentioned" and my sole purpose was "The only reason I've posted that was to show that lowmemory issues does happen".
I cannot be bothered to dig up for a data that I personally think would be hard to find. I assume people posting logs would be a rarity for iPhone users especially since it's an old model, I hate posting links that are simply speculative at best (I prefer things like logs, experimentations, etc etc), and most importantly, why bother more than googling when all I wanted was to say low memory issues can exist; I simply wanted to show that it's not adequate for some people already, to counter it's adequate for everyone.
i cant belive someone will spend nearly 500 bucks for 2 year old tech. i wouldnt say iphone is good or bad but to compare iphone with android, you should compare with android flagship such as note 5, s6, s7, z5, g4, g5…i have a note 4 and its going very strong…battery lasts more than a day easily. in short, its all about personal preference. i had an 800$ ipad4, but only used for around a months and sold for 600. after that never go back to apple.
But doesn't your note 4 still cost more than $500 now when it is now 1 and 1/2 years old?
Some people buy a corolla and say BMW is water of money ….let's not be encouraged of people who lreffer and can afford iPhone. …..3 yr old BMW is nicer then new corolla.
I prefer my G4 over my old iPhone 5s. :)
Damn Samsung preemptive spell check
How can you use the Samsung keyboard? Lol
It's funny I didn't even see the spelling error. SwiftKey works great today. 😀
but who said the Galaxy devices are like corollas? imo around the s6-note4 days samsung devices became much more premium feeling and less plastic-y. Same goes for Sony, LG (since G3) and many other brands. android is no longer in it's early days and has realised that putting on some cologne and a nice suit and tie makes them premium.
lets not kid our selves, iphone are not bmws
With the SE out I was expecting the 5s to drop in price a bit more/faster. I'm half considering one, but will need to drop further for me to commit.
Seems you can get them 'brand new' on ebay for around $370. Assume it would not be Oz stock of course.
If you have time I would guess you could get a apple refurb as new for 400-450 ish from eBay. Just have to be patient
Be wary of resellers who seem too good to be true. Even without GST, 370 seems too big a discount for brand new
Yeah they had them for $320 odd refurb as well. Agreed, some caution is necessary, but the ratings were good and they sell heaps of phones…
Nice. That's a good price then
I have a new iphone 5s - work phone so no choice, just given it. To be honest its fast - no lag, no issues to speak of.
Rabid android fanboys neg voting everything - but yeah why not since they have basically no lives but possess tons of excess cash.
Better spending it on new android phones next year than drugs I guess, though I suspect they are into both lol
too much for a 2 1/2 year old phone.
Only 16GB.
People with a 5S would be upgrading to a 6S now.
Went from a 5s to a 6
Only perceptible difference is size. Camera and responsiveness both very similar. Battery is a bit better on the 6. Both fantastic on iOS 9
Some people want a smaller phone - I'm looking to get the SE not the 6s as the grass wasn't greener on the larger side.
Do agree, 16gb should be illegal on a phone. OS is 2-3 gig so really it's only 12 or 13 useable gigs. That is a detracting factor
I have a 5 (non-s) and it's still going strong. No problems or lag. Still a great phone. When I see a 6 I feel the screen is small, but then the phone is also smaller in my pocket :) Absolutely nothing wrong with a "2 1/2 year old" 5S if you're happy with the features it offers.
This shouldn't come locked. Under Important Notes there's no mention of a network unlock fee, like there is on the Huawei Y635 page. Also if you go to the unlock page and follow the prompts it suggests if it isn't already unlocked an iOS update/restore will unlock it for you.
Wonder if they could still get the 3gs in for the same price? I try to buy phones as old as possible.
Target or Big W may have some 3GS models available for $249
After the months of countless problems that I have had with Optus, I would recommend that you don't go anywhere near them. They were after all found to be the most complained-about phone and internet provider per customer in Australia at the end of last year, according to an industry survey. If you do, expect waiting periods of 45 minutes on the phone just to speak to a consultant!
industry survey ? thought you talking about the report from telecom ombudsmen.
read here: https://www.tio.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/192049/20…
but the most complained about, as usual the regular winner always is tels-char, not the op-dust you mention.
Presuming it's locked. Only a fanboi would find this to be a deal at $479 locked. Oh and did I say old tech? AND OF COURSE APPLE!