Currently using 8 yrs old Dishlex and looking to update, as the old one consuming more water and electricity. Would like to get some comments or experience?
Bosch Series 8 ActiveWater 60 Dishwasher - Stainless Steel SMS88TI01A
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Bosch Series 8 ZEOLITH Dishwasher SMS88TI03A
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Miele G6100SC AUS Freestanding dishwasher
Thank you
Thanks GC
I did check the Miele G6100SC AUS Freestanding dishwasher and it's on my list. The reason I listed the above Bosch is because they both are German made.
Yep once you're in that price range, its worth while looking at Miele.
You won't get a product with a big range of features, but the one thing you can count on is the Miele will provide you with a consistent wash over the years. Its one of those very few brands that still build products to last 10+ years and given your price range I would pick Miele over Bosch any day.
Hopefully some others here can provide some feedback on the Bosch models, I'm sure they're great as well.
Agreed, I've had Asko and now Miele, and love my Miele.
It works really well, is quiet and opens the door at the end to dry the dishes.
As the saying goes, men's favourite household appliance is the dishwasher - and I'm a guy.
If in same price range, it's Miele for me every time.
I'm always amazed when I see such comments about Miele products. My personal experience is they are very unreliable. Would never consider buying them again. The dishwasher we had, had endless reliability issues and never cleaned dishes properly. Considering the price we were massively disappointed.
@conan2000:
Guess you were unlucky. No matter how good the company there will be occasional faults. It's how the company handles the faults that's important. I guess Miele didn't come good on this occasion for you …..
Yeah my friend paid massive on bench cookwares
the builder use silicon glued it on to prevent water sipping through when washing, that voids the warranty (spoilt within 1 year)
Miele did sent out technician to have a look, but claim couldn't remove it for repair
I bought a Bosch and it has been great. It's the plastic bottom, Turkish made one as well.
Got it for around $450 after discounts.
I paid about 6 for the stainless model, still Turkish with plastic bottom and great, only ever use the short cycle and the cheapest powder, can't see why anyone would need to pay more. I have had mine 2 years and a friend has had hers 4 with no problems
Yeah mine is the stainless outside, with plastic inside bottom thing.
That's an amazing price, in the 4 years since the older one was purchased I haven't seen it for less than 560 delivered but not installed or old one removed. Where did you get it OOC?
Wow - that's a great price.
I have a Bosch - love it. Have had it for about 4 years, and still going strong. Very quiet (compared to the last washer I had)
Smeg. Beats the more expensive Bosch hands down for one reason - the door opens automatically at the end of the wash allowing the steam to escape resulting in better drying. I did the research and wanted a Bosch but ended up getting a Smeg on a great deal (Ozbargain effect!). Now my parents who have a $2k Bosch want to swap with me as the Smeg is just plain better. Can't speak for Miele but their vacuums are awesome.
Some friends had to replace their countertop trim because it was literally "steamed off" by having a dishwasher door open at the end of every cycle…
expensive dishwasher laminate benchtop, great design.
No problem with stone/quartz benchtops. If anything, will steam off any dirt/grime :)
Wow with toddlers about, I would definitely not want this feature.
We have the Smeg and our 3 year old has no interest in it other than to put her cutlery in the basket. It has worked great and not had any issues with it. The sales man when we bought it said that the Smeg and Miele were very comparable, but the Smeg was cheaper. Been very happy with it and its a year old.
I have a 2004 Smeg dishwasher and compared to the parents 2003 Bosch, the Bosch is a better machine. This probably isn't a good comparison for current models as they're both so old, but just my feedback.
The Smeg works fine but just doesn't seem to be as well built as the Bosch and the drying cycle on the Bosh seems to work a lot better.
The stainless steel look to the Smeg hasn't held up very well and a lot of the decals on it have entirely disappeared.
I've kept an eye on Bosch washers over the years and would definitely replace the Smeg with one if I needed to.
Another vote for Miele.
Dad got a Bosch dishwasher for free and we are loving it! We use the 33 minutes cycles, the dishwasher is big enough to wash a soup pot and a pan and only uses 10L of water. To add to the OzB-ness in this comment, I cut the soup thingy in half, dishes still come out squeaky-clean!
Soup? Minestrone or chicken?
It was chicken soup.
Asko
Interesting. I had an Asko washing machine repair man come into my house, passed my F and P dishwasher and say, " that dishwasher is no good. You should have bought an Asko dishwasher. Won't last longer but…" I then stopped listening. When it was time to replace the dishwasher, was not going to consider paying big bucks for something that only lasted seven or so years.
Glad to hear they have improved since then.
Have a Bosch Bosch SMS69T18AU , no problems to report, excellent machine. Vario speed is a good feature.
Yes, the series 6 is very good. The above mention series 8 also has the variospeed feature.
We have the same machine and love it. It is quiet, has good internal configuration and fits lots of stuff. I could not do without the cutlery drawer either - so easy to unload.
I will be sticking with Bosch in the future.
another vote for the cutlery drawer. beats that silly basket hands down.
Miele. The interior design alone is far better. More sensible layout and more sturdy, smoother running trays.
We put a power meter on ours 18 months or so ago, and energy consumption for a load was 13cents.
Have used Miele for 2 yrs. happy with the purchase.
We have had Miele for the last 16 Years our first we left in our house when we sold, 10 years old still going strong, never had any issues. The replacement is now 6 years old, not a problem.
Make sure you get one with the Cutlery Drawer, you will be amazed at how much space that frees up.
agree about the Miele cutlery Drawer…wife loves it!
I chose not to get the cutlery drawer, our cutlery storage is just a bit too far from the dishwasher and grabbing the basket to unload it into the drawers is much easier.
The beauty of using the drawer is that it is very easy to just sort everything as you put it in. Unloading could not be simpler, you just scoop the forks between two fingers, spoons between two other fingers of same hand, same thing with knives and teaspoons with the other hand. In my case it is exactly one trip from the dishwasher around to the other side of the kitchen bench and the cutlery is unloaded. With a basket, I would have to return to the dishwasher. ;-)
The drawer results in spotless and perfectly dry cutlery every time. That was never the case with baskets in every other dishwasher I used.
I'd go the Bosch. We had a Dishlex and it was good, but replaced it with a top of the range Miele. It was bigger inside than most, and did a good job but cost a fortune when needed maintenance. After 7 years it rusted & pump failed and replacement parts alone were going to be over $1k. Got a good deal on a Westinghouse for maybe half the price of parts alone on the Miele. Only issue with the Westinghouse is although it has the cutlery tray like the Miele it's maybe three inches shorter inside so we have to run it without the tray so it doesn't hold as much.
Anyhow, in a few years we'll probably replace the Westinghouse with a Bosch - after measuring the inside!
Bosch all the way! German design (but made in Turkey).
The cheap Bosch are the ones made in Turkey. The better and more expensive ones are still made in Germany.
I'm not implying that those not made in Germany are of lesser quality. Bosch manufacture is pretty stringent so it doesn't really matter where its made.
I disagree, having perfect design doesn't mean that you are going to get quality product, i have been dealing with Bosch and other top quality manufacturing companies for almost 10 yrs now, as soon as you move your manufacturing location to so called cost effective countries….you will look for every penny saving process improvements which will compromise your 10/10 design….
Updated my kitchen around 5 years ago. Got Smeg appliances except for dishwasher. (More later) Would NOT recommend Smeg as the wall oven controls ore far from intuitive and glass is impossible to clean on inside. Microwave "eats" globes and is a bugger to replace them - and costly. The door glass "sandwich" gets condensation and scum that you can't get to. The rangehood has great suction (hmm, now there's an opening) but the globes are non standard and the switch has failed on speed 3.
The gas hotplate is OK but the metal grid thingy that sits on the wik burner is crap.
The dishwasher, a fisher paykel double dish drawer is fantastic. No splashed shins if you load cups with dregs is great. Fill one drawer whilst the other washes. So impressed i got another for the holiday house too.
Sounds like our kitchen. Upgraded by the previous owners to Smeg except dishwasher (F&P drawers). Our rangehood also has some issues, the oven isn't that intuitive to use like you say and the beeper timer on ours randomly switches between quiet and loud.
As for the dishdrawer, it's gone. I hated it. Forever emptying/filling one up. Could only fit our dinner plates in one location, impossible to pack efficiently, no timer start for off peak power use. Our family of 5 was using about 1 1/2 loads per day which really gets old when you never know which draw is due for filling or emptying. It's the kids job to empty the dishwasher and I lost count of times they would throw a couple of items in the empty drawer when they would fit in the other, or go to empty it and it wasn't clean.
Dishwasher is replaced with a Miele. Really nice machine, feels well built and easy to load. We've only had it for a few weeks and so far so good. The only thing I didn't realise when I bought it was the run time for the wash, over 2 hours compared with the 40min quick wash on the F&P. I can live with the longer run time as everything has been coming out clean and dry. I did spot one small section of the top basket where the plastic coating had come off and a little rust had formed. Quick email with photo back to Miele, they rang me promptly and 10 days later a new basket arrived on the doorstep.
had a smeg microwave for years, no problems at all and the controls for it are great, thats the main reason we got it over a panasonic/sharp etc brands.
Smeg don't manufacture but rebadge. They're the international version of Breville but costlier in Australia because they're marketed as a Euro import/brand. Your microwave is actually an OEM Daewoo with a Smeg facade.
I dont care about that.
What I wanted was how the things works, how easy it was to use, how intuiative it was to do what we do with the microwave - smeg for us was the best at that. I dont care who they get to manufacture it.
It the same with sunglasses (most designer glasses are made by one company/factory, even in factory designed), phones (iphone made in china factory) etc - I dont care who the maker is as long as it is to that brands design. Thats what Smeg does.
We have a Smeg that we got for $499 when Joyce Mayne closed down. Three and a half years later there were problems and the extended warranty (my husband bought it, not me!) would only refund the purchase price. I noticed on the Product Review website that others had had the same problem and the national service manager had responded each time to them - so I got onto him and it was repaired. Very happy with their service.
I could never buy anything named Smeg. It leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.😉
don't confuse smeg with smegma now.
I mean really, how can you see the name and NOT think of smegma. I was wondering if anyone would get it.
Too much cards against humanity.
I was thinking Red Dwarf
Had a Bosch, was very quiet and an excellent machine. After 10 years and a serious issue with it, bought a Miele. Was Ok but it was only a base model, & the inside layaout was poor. Functionally it was perfect but lacking in options like delay-start which we would have used since we had Solar panels installed. Rather than turn it on at night we set it to run at 11am in the morning, costing us nothing for electricity. So the latest dishwasher is a Smeg. It has the top cutlery drawer and all the options we wanted. Works flawlessly and as quiet as the Bosch and Meile. Have settled on the 1 hr 20 min wash cycle as the best for us. (Never had any issues of laminate lifting as described above, which incidently would have been easily sorted by pulling the unit slightly forward)
My opinion is the Bosch and Smeg are the best value for money while the Meile is great but just overpriced.
I had a $500 Turkish made Bosch and worked very well for many years. When we moved into a new house we bought a near $2k Miele (Think it's a 6100 model) and that works just as well. The only difference I could see is the Miele has an extra spray head, more tray adjustments, slightly better energy/water star rating and build quality. Worth the extra $1500 bucks…… not really. Don't buy into the made in Germany bollocks as a sign of quality. Some BMW's and Toyota's are made in South Africa, VW's in Argentina, Mazda's in Thailand. What counts is the quality of the components used and the QC control and testing. If we were talking about Miele vacuum cleaner then that's another story….. Worth every penny!!!!!
Miele with cutlery drawer. Our criteria was noise and the Miele was at that time much quieter than anything else. In the last 8 years we only had one problem with it - someone decided to rub their bum against the controls while loitering in the kitchen when we had a party. In the process they cancelled the wash cycle and when we came to unpack the dishwasher a couple of hours later, the load was only half done. It was easy enough to fix, just made it go again.
The Miele is almost entirely stainless steel on the inside and requires close to zero maintenance. Clean out the filter in the bottom about twice a year, by pulling it out, opening the lid and running under some warm water in the kitchen sink.
The drawers are easily adjustable and it's possible to run the dishwasher with the middle drawer removed, if you need to wash something really large.
I got ours without the cutlery drawer, just the basket. Our cutlery drawer is to far to reach from the dishwasher. Taking the basket to the drawer is a much easier option.
Reading all post still can't decide. Wish the shops can demo those high end dishwashers:(
Going to finalise the DW by Friday. If anyone purchased any of the above model, pls leave your comments too.
Miele have a showroom in Sydney, if you want to kick some tires. They may have showrooms in other cities.
One thing that I found odd about buying a Miele was the fact that there was no such thing as a cheaper price anywhere. Eventually we ended up buying from David Jones, but as it turns out, they were just the agent. The final paperwork was actually for a purchase direct from Miele. I guess that explains why the price was exactly the same everywhere.
BTW: The Miele free standing dishwashers can be converted to built-in without any extra fuss. You just remove the top of the dishwasher and install it under the kitchen counter. The only difference, after you have done the conversion, is that the converted dishwasher will be heavier. This is because the free standing models have extra ballast weight to prevent them from tipping over when they are not anchored.
We had Smeg appliances previously - gas oven, gas cooktop, dishwasher and range hood. The gas oven was a piece of useless rubbish, the dishwasher was not very good. I was indifferent about the range hood and the gas cooktop was great.
In-laws had Bosch and it was OK, but had to be fixed (expensively) two times in six years.
Miele have outlets which are cheaper, there's one in Rosehill in Sydney.
I'm from PERTH :)
Hopefully I can help. I am an assistant manager, working for a kitchen appliance retailer.
What is most important to you? The Zeolith Bosch model will dry better than any of the others, hands down, even plastics, and I believe this is a german model. Asko would be the next best option for drying.
For longevity Miele should in theory be the best, as they test for 20 years of use. Another option could be a Siemens for longevity, but their freestanding models are defeatured compared to the other models you listed. 5 year warranty though.
Regarding the Smeg, it will wash well, but it is the noisiest out of all the options, and feels the cheapest. I rarely sell Smeg dishwashers.
We have owned our Miele for 15 years. What else is there to say ? It is whisper quiet, reliable & we love it.Have had a couple of small problems over the years but think they were more my fault through overloading & putting large things in which stopped the machine working. Anyone who comes to the house asks " Is it on ? "
Love it - & when it finally has to go to dishwasher heaven, the next one will also be a Miele.
Almost forgot one of the other great things about the machine - the top pull out tray for cutlery , as opposed to the awful baskets at the bottom of most dishwashing machines.
We had a Bosch for 10 years but eventually it failed and after fixing a $2k bosch oven for $600 and it dying two years later we got a new one. I tried fixing it via YouTube videoso but no luck. It was an expensive gamble of call out fee, circuit board or pump.
This time we have a Miele. The top cutlery drawer in the dw is fantastic as our cutlery drawer is right next to it. Makes unpacking really quick if you pre sort the knives forks etc.
I repair both Miele & Bosch appliances, though I wouldn't put them in the same category.
Miele is a premium brand, designed to last around 20 years of normal use.
Bosch is the best of the mid-range brands and should give around 15 years of service.
For a Bosch to be in the same price range as a Miele, you are comparing a Bosch with many features with a base model Miele
Both are good, but the Miele will probably wash better, quieter and more efficiently than the Bosch
I wouldn't compare a Smeg to the others - It's not in the same universe.
Yeah whoever tries to sell SMEG as a premium brand are dreaming, it's not even close to a Miele.
In 10 years time the appearance of dishwashers will likely be improved. I'm not sure I want an old looking appliance in my kitchen for 15-20 years (though my OH would be happy).
It will entirely depend on the design of your kitchen. If you have white cupboard doors and a white dishwasher with a few subtle controls it will not age.
Miele also have dishwashers with replaceable front panels. When you get your kitchen renovated, you just get the cabinet maker to mount the correct panel on the front of the dishwasher and it will look exactly like every other part of the kitchen.
I have a bosch made in turkey, never had any problems with it
Miele over Bosch.
Bosch (German made) are very good, but Miele is better.
Asko is very good too. But Im unsure of how good the Slovenian made models are.
Bosch hands down much better value.
Bosch made in Turkey just feel so much cheaper, i.e. spray arms and racks.
So Miele is you have plenty of money, Bosch if you have less.
Smeg isn't in the same league.
Very happy with my Miele dishwasher.Not happy with the gas cooktop.its is a pain to clean it
Do you rinse your dishes etc before loading them? We hadn't been - I'm sure the manual for our 8 yo Bosch said not to bother - but we started doing it recently. Was wondering what the general sentiment was towards prerinsing.
A lovely repair person once said to me "It is a dishwasher, not a garbage disposal".
We've always rinsed - I look upon it as I wouldn't wash up in rinse water so I don't want my dishwasher doing the same.
With a Miele, we just scrape any leftovers into bin and it goes in the dishwasher. No rinsing. Never had any problems. What's the point of using a dishwasher if you are doing half the job by hand?
I recently also heard that the dishwasher detergents work better with a bit of grease and stuff off the plates.
Scrape but not rinse. No solids to get put in the washer.
Exactly.
One of the big consumer groups (choice.com.au maybe?) tested this; even with the cheap dishwashers/tablets you are completely wasting time and water if you rinse them before hand.
Only rinse if you either a/ Use powder detergent or b/ Cut tablets in half
Using tablets with clean dishes can lead to oversudsing and poor performance, particularly in water efficient machines as there is too much detergent and nothing for it to act on.
You buy a dishwasher to wash the dishes so just scrape off and let the thing do it's job
*Unless it is very old, or one of the cheap Chinese made dishwashers
Interesting - I've always used Finish powder and not tablet as I can control how much I put in.
Typical lightly soiled dishes get 1/2 a cap full, and very soiled 3/4 cap full.
This was advice from the Asko repair man when I used to have an Asko.
I think works out much cheaper than tablets.
We collect grey water from washing vegetables before cooking, or leftover water from cups,bottles etc in the sink. After dinner time we use that water to scrap and rinse most of the food off our plates before placing them in the dishwasher. We use half a tablet every time and the shortest cycle possible—-does not use the drying function—-we just open the dishwasher and let the hot steam does its thing.
Smeg appliances are all superficial design. If you want something engineered well get German.
Miele, no question about it. Bosch are made in China and Thailand. You cannot be cheap on dishwasher. You use it everyday worth every cent to get the best one to last many years to come, instead of having headaches dealing with warranty claims and repairs
Good Bosch good ones are still made in Germany, the Cheap Bosch dishwashers are from Turkey
The majority of Bosch standalone are made in Spain now. However, the integrated ones are still made in Germany, as far as I know.
Miele, without a doubt. but not one of the shit ones they buy in bulk to advertise "euro appliances" in new apartments.
I don't believe Miele have a cheap or shit builder's range of appliances.
Care to elaborate?
Smeg is the one you find in the cheapest builders plan sold off as "Euro" premium.
Out of curiosity, how many of you actually hand-wash dishes? I haven't used my dishwasher in a decade… It's been sitting under the bench-top ever since the house was bought.
Handwash is ok but if you have a family (i.e. you have to cook a lot for the kids), then you cannot beat a dishwasher
Depends how much your time (and your back) is worth.
If you earn, say $30,000 a year or more, washing dishes by hand is costing you a lot more than using the dishwasher.
Bosch.. everytime.
Easy choice for me even though I've never used the brand
I bought Bosch SMS88TI01A in Aug 2015. I also considered the models you mentioned but decided to choose SMS88TI01A because it doesn't have buttons for kids to play ^_^
The other Bosch SMS88TI03A is also similar except it has extra drying feature and cost bit more.
Both Bosch models are the top models and made in Germany (crafted on the top side of the door)
The machine is very quiet the first time you use it you will be wondering if the machine is actually running.
Happy with it.
If you need more details just pm me.
The cost varies between $1550 and 1760 between the two models.
As you mentioned the difference is the drying feature and the interior light.
Siemens, Asko and AEG are also excellent.
productreview got three stars for miele-g-6100, maybe because only people with issues making reviews in these sites http://www.productreview.com.au/p/miele-g-6100-sc-aus.html
Productreview is bollocks. I've read a bunch of reviews for products that I am familiar with and most of the comments are factually incorrect. By all means, have a squiz, but ignore the score and only pay heed to comments about things that seem to re-occur for multiple people.
Bought a Smeg as it was recommended by Choice magazine. Its a piece of crap. Id rather it wash the dishes properly than have a fancy auto open after it finishes.
Good old Choice and their 'independent' reviews. They don't test for longevity and most products are great the first month, thereafter determines if it was worth it.
recommended by Choice magazine
Well, there's your problem!
Their review methodologies and criteria are worthless. I also find that the selection of products they chose to review a bit on the unsatisfactory side.
By all means, study their reviews and understand what they are evaluating, but don't trust their conclusions or recommendations. Also, do your homework, I have found on a number of occasion that Choice reviews are factually incorrect because their staff have failed to read the product instructions or understand how something works.
Get a Miele if these are in that price range.
Bosch now makes most of their products in Thailand and only their top models are made in Germany. Miele is unbeatable and worth every cent.