eBay and Others, Aus Government Pushing Ahead with 10% GST on Imported Goods

Anyone see news tonight am i right that government is pushing ahead with the 10% gst.
I thought it was forgotten about?
On what i thought it said after 1st just they are trying to force ebay.com,amazon.com all big retailers your all familiar with.
Ebay has or is protesting against it by not allowing to buy from overseas.

And other companies may follow suit. So does this mean if ebay and others do this we will not be able to buy from other ebay sites or amazon or other various retailers online.

I hate the fact paying extra 10% on stuff ordered but to stop us buying internationlly will be crap.
I often buy from overseas ebay sites and amazon sites and most items i buy are cheaper or are a better version than found here.
If retailers had the same choice of items and same prices then great but they don't.

What's your thoughts on this.

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        • @try2bhelpful:

          "The goods are coming into the country - why shouldn't they be able to tax them?"

          Barbecue they have no right to tax them.

          "You really think that people like Amazon are actually paying their fair share of tax dollars? "

          I wouldn't know, rich people and corporations never seem to pay a 'fair share' of tax (whatever that means). But seeing how the government wastes and abuses most of the tax they do grab for the the people that earn it then I wouldn't begrudge anyone who can legally keep hold of some their hard earned money, especially when the government is a hindrance more than a help in making that money anyway. And I'm not referring to essential services like roads, schools and hospitals etc either. :) Chipping in for those kinds of things is fair enough.

          "Can you please show me the links that show how reducing taxes increases revenue to the government; I really would be interested in seeing that?"

          You are looking for 'The Laffer Curve', example here: https://taxfoundation.org/does-lowering-taxes-increase-gover…

          "The idea that lowering taxes can raise revenue, or that the tax cuts “pay for themselves” as some say, is not new; it’s been around since at least the 1980s, and it’s a fundamental tenet of supply-side economics. The argument is that it’s possible for tax rates to be so high (and therefore such a burden on the economy) that lowering them allows the economy (and the tax base) to grow fast enough that the extra revenue from the larger base is more than the lost revenue from the lower tax rate. During the Nixon administration, the economist Arthur Laffer, who was later a member of Reagan’s Economic Policy Advisory Board, created an illustration now known as the “Laffer Curve” Hardly anyone disputes the basic concept shown here. At a tax rate of 0%, the government gets no revenue. It can increase revenue by increasing tax rates, up to a certain point, called the “revenue maximizing point” (labeled t* here) beyond which increasing tax rates any further damages the economy enough to cause revenue to go down, all the way back to zero at a rate of 100% (where the government takes everything you make, eliminating your incentive to work at all.)"

          More at the link.

        • It's interesting that the Scandinavian countries have a high standard of living and their tax rate is through the roof. Not saying I enjoy tax, lol.

        • @davelarz: Yes, I wonder what their governments are doing different to ours, not blaming 'the tyranny of distance' for one thing? I wonder what their relationship to the global reserve banking ponzi scheme is also?

        • +3

          @EightImmortals:

          Their whole social construct is different to ours. They don't have a selfish '(profanity) you, get mine' attitude.

          Look what Norway did with their wealth returns bonanza from their offshore oil assets equivalent to Australia's mining boom days…they built a sovereign wealth fund. Australia just squandered what returns we got from mining.

        • @jenkemjunkie:

          But when you say 'Australia' do you mean the government? (cos I don;t remember getting a say in it. Good point about honest (ish) government Vs corrupt government though. What I can;t figure out is why people keep voting them back in? )

        • +1

          @EightImmortals: you got a say in it through your vote. yes it sucks that both labor and liberals have had some of the worst pollies in history for the last decade, both have been disgusting over spenders.

    • +6

      $50 billion tax cut to companies is the LNP policy, it is in part now legislated.
      Little people are to pay a GST on privately imported goods under A$1000. Fair?
      My brother repairs electronic goods for a living & is reliant on importing parts quickly & efficiently.
      He is, as you would expect, furious at this decision.
      If you vote & want fairness, contact your local politician, no matter what party they belong to.

      • +3

        They couldn't care less unless they are going to lose their seat.

        The sheer cost of enforcement outweighs BY FAR the tax gained, but it does allow big brother to stop and open everything they like. That is what this is about. Justifying paying for big brother, and levying fines on anyone they don't like.

        If the merchants wont collect it for the government- and why should they - then everyone pays for big business to charge higher prices domestically - and we have to pay more taxes to collect piddling little amounts for personal imports.

        The argument that amazon don't pay so we should pay ignores the fact that the threshold was raised to $1000 because of the costs of customs collection when it was $500. Now its moved to $0 - cmon show some intelligence about the why's.

        It'll cost about 10 times what they could collect back - this is about control and a protected market. Whoever thinks the money that will be collected comes close to the costs involved is seriously challenged - and why posters are projecting that bizarre idea is seriously open to question.

        Everyones birthday and Christmas packets are now open slather 24/7 365 days a year. Razer blading makes a wholesale comeback.

      • +3

        Why is he furious? He would just claim back the GST anyways.

        • GST registration & claimback is for turnover over $70,000. So doesn't apply to him & many other small firms.

          The main concern will be further transit delays while customs collects GST from him when the parts enter the country.
          He orders parts & mechanisms from several different overseas suppliers, mainly in China & Taiwan, & air freights them here.

          The proposed GST collection will add a significant delay to the arrival of parts. Customs will, no doubt, inspect the parcel on arrivial in Australia, contact the receipient, ask for payment, check payment has been made, on forward goods - at least a week extra??? GST collected per parcel will probably be less than $5!!
          This is so the likes of Harvey Norman can sell a cable for $100 that is available in Asia for $10!

        • Can't claim input tax credit if you didn't pay GST in first place? (Ie seller not Australian)

    • eBay et al know geoblocking does nothing. Should they ban credit cards issued by Australian banks… that's a completely different issue.

      • +1

        Wouldn't they just ban Aus shipping addresses?

        • +1

          Doesn't work if you use US based reshipping services, which are already popular to bypass Amazon's shipping restrictions.

      • +1

        eBay et al know geoblocking does nothing.

        Of course it does, they have your shipping address.

  • +8

    If only there was a decentralised currency out of political control

    • Bitcoin!

  • Sounds like there is an administration fee associated withe the GST collection, not sure if you can claim that back. I would also assume the delivery time will be impacted.

    It is generally about what you can expect from our politicians, almost everything saleable is sold or privatised now, we are hardly creating/manufacturing anything and costs to run the place are increasing and of course the talent in the political parties has to be properly rewarded.

  • +1

    You can thank Russel Zimmerman and the Retailer's Association for lobbying the government to collect GST on all consumer imports!

  • +5

    I think we're going to be seeing a spike of Chinese sellers selling from Darwin or somewhere else in the NT on eBay.

  • -1

    The only way to do this is to stop consumerism, don't buy anything that way they tax nothing. Businesses sponsoring for the law to pass get nothing. Stop shopping stop Ozbargaining but you need the whole country to unite. And the politician knows that it won't happen so they aren't worried about it.

  • I can't make sense of the OP, what is happening?

    EDIT. NVM, saw Chumlol's post.

  • So will my grandma who sends me packages regularly be effected in this? Will I get charged 10% more on items she sends me?

    • +1

      No, only for online sales via eBay/Amazon etc.

      BTW, what does she send you, toilet paper?

      • +3

        She sends files baked inside cakes.

  • +2

    I better shop now in advance for things I may need.

  • +3

    Big business can pay zero thanks to legal tax avoidance.
    Government targets the little guys who want to save a few bucks by buying online.
    Disgusting.

    • +3

      This is my point exactly, if this was a blanket rule, and everyone including all the massive conglomerates that wholesale large hauls into Australia paid the correct amount of tax then maybe I could get on board. But, in my eyes this destroys market competitiveness, tightens the stranglehold large retailers already have on the market and destroys small retail businesses that rely on small scale imports.

      What if one day the government decides it will geo-block all sites that refuse to conform with Australian Taxation? Censorship? Kim Jong un may as well be the head of Australia. Feels like we have no say in it anyway.

  • +1

    FFS liberal party

  • It's to capture major global retailers seeking into Australia.

    The legislation is poorly written however to try and catch every purchase ever made, even the small market art vendor in Montmartre who sells to an Aussie that takes the artwork back in to Australia is caught.

    There is so much grey with this in terms of not having any authority in the jurisdictions that this legislation intends to reach.

  • Labor will no doubt force some sort of compromise - Ebay et al will remain.

    Consumers still aren't going to change their behaviour, even with a 10% price increase.

    • What's Labor done for consumers? Curious to know.

      • Well they opposed the introduction of the GST in the first place, and have opposed increases.

        GST was introduced by John Howard who said "GST would never become part of Liberal Party policy"

        • Consumer law not taxation.

        • @petry: Like the Trade Practices Act.

        • -1

          so nothing for nearly 50 years.

          except getting rid of some state fair trading tribunals of course.

        • @petry: Introduced in 1974, amended in 2010 as Competition and Consumer Act 2010. Major legislation for "doing stuff" for consumers.

          There is a small claims tribunal in every state.

          Your turn. What has a Liberal/National Party done for consumers?

        • You haven't got a clue unfortunately.

          Majority of consumer cases across Australia now have to be dealt with in magistrates courts.

          this question isn't about liberals or nationalists or any other party cept labor.

          Labor has done nothing for consumers for decades and has no interest in doing so currently.

          Nor have the liberals or anyone else. Trying to position labor as consumerist is like selling hanson as a multiculturalist. Actually that's an easier sell.

        • @petry:

          You haven't got a clue unfortunately.

          So you have been called on your false statements, so you now resort to a personal attack.
          I must be getting through.

          I answered your questions, but you didn't accept the answer because it was about taxation.
          This forum is about taxation.

          You state this "except getting rid of some state fair trading tribunals of course."

          What tribunals have been removed?

          Then this line, "Majority of consumer cases across Australia now have to be dealt with in magistrates courts."

          Any source for that gem?

          To top it off, the nihilistic assertion that no political party has done "nothing for consumers for decades".

          I see you have moved on and are now berating a soldier about defending Australian freedoms.

        • Why don't you provide the addresses of the each states Fair trading tribunal?

          You clearly have the time.

          You haven't answered my question 'What's Labor done for consumers? Curious to know' apart from quoting something from 50 years ago that's largely been removed.

          And clearly you hate me for asking that question otherwise you wouldn't be making false statements.

          So if you really believe what you are saying is true provide the addresses of each states fair trading tribunal.

          Then you will prove your position correct.

        • @petry:

          Why don't you provide the addresses of the each states Fair trading tribunal?

          Fair Trading Tribunals

          You haven't answered my question 'What's Labor done for consumers?

          I have given two examples.

          And clearly you hate me for asking that question otherwise you wouldn't be making false statements.

          What false statements have I made?

          I am still waiting for you to answer my questions and your apology for your personal attack on me.

        • The following is extracted from your link

          NT

          Local Court (Small Claims Division)

          Hears civil cases involving debts, damages or other actions to a maximum of $ limit

          Queensland

          Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal (QCAT)

          Incorporates the former Small Claims Tribunal

          SA

          Magistrates Court - Small Claims

          TAS

          Magistrates Court

          WA

          Magistrates Court (incorporating the previous Small Claims Tribunal)

          So when I wrote that the majority of states now had their consumer cases heard in magistrates courts you are still saying that is wrong?

          would you like to know which party abolished the tribunal in those states?

        • @petry:

          Majority of consumer cases across Australia now have to be dealt with in magistrates courts.

          You are wrong, the majority of consumer cases in Australia would be dealt with by these Tribunals.

          ACT - ACT Civil & Administrative Tribunal
          NSW - NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal 
          QLD - Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal
          VIC - Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal 

          Smaller states, with more limited resources, like NT have a Small Claims Division.
          They haven't been "abolished" altogether as you suggested.

        • 

          Baysew on 02/05/2017 - 12:54

          'There is a small claims tribunal in every state.'

          So you were completely wrong about this.

          Now you've ditched 4 Australian states that have magistrates courts dealing with fair trading issues after some Labor State governments got rid of them.

          Now you are asserting that these 4 administrative tribunals operate and act in the same way as the old abolished fair trading tribunals, which is also totally incorrect.

          Frankly it is plain you have no interest in the truth, the facts or know anything about how consumer issues are dealt with currently.

          You have an agenda- probably paid - so carry on misleading people for your purpose.

        • @petry:

          Frankly it is plain you have no interest in the truth, the facts or know anything about how consumer issues are dealt with currently.

          More personal abuse!
          I must have won again.

          Its sad you don't accept other peoples rights to express their opinions pleasantly, without attacking them.

          I wonder who said that?

        • Baysew on 02/05/2017 - 12:54

          'There is a small claims tribunal in every state.'

          So you were completely wrong about this.

          Now you've ditched 4 Australian states that have magistrates courts dealing with fair trading issues after some Labor State governments got rid of them.

          Now you are asserting that these 4 administrative tribunals operate and act in the same way as the old abolished fair trading tribunals, which is also totally incorrect.

          Frankly it is plain you have no interest in the truth, the facts or know anything about how consumer issues are dealt with currently.

          You have an agenda- probably paid - so carry on misleading people for your purpose.

          Apparently you are now just out to irritate because correcting your public misrepresentations is not an attack or abuse it is just a correction. You are most definitely not interested in the facts and are only trying to needle people which is sad.

  • Anyone see news tonight am i right that government is pushing ahead
    with the 10% gst. I thought it was forgotten about?

    LOL, since when does government NOT push ahead with idiocy?

  • ebay and amazon already collects import duties above the $1000 threshold. They are set up to do it already. All that's changing is that it will happen on all items, not just those above $1000. They just have to change one variable in their system.

    It won't just be those sites, but Steam, Appstore, Play, and all major digital stores will have to charge GST also.

    • Whats 'the risk of reputation damage' ?

      The Australian government hasn't got a good reputation anywhere in the world, except In ruperts papers.

      Look at the great barrier reef with its new coal mine port, our luddite national broadband policy, and our outstanding lack of consumer protection.

      Maybe tourism planning on mines drawing tourists? WA planning nuclear dump tourism - good government ideas.

      Tricky though the frackin slogan - Not sure about come to Frackin Australia?

      • Rubbish, you clearly have little idea about the quality of the competition from international governments. A quick flick through the international papers should confirm for you that, even though we get nbent out of shape over some of these issues we are still relatively safe in decent - ish hands regardless of who is in power.

        • -1

          What do you read Breitbart News and other right-wing news sites?

          Surprised you didn't say climate change is fake news, and a coal port on top of the barrier reef would help it heal.

          Perhaps you could list some of the secret 100 banned internet sites without being arrested as well?

        • @petry: You seem to know more about right wing politics than I do as I've never heard of any of that stuff. Breitbart? WTF? Who or what is a Breitbart!

          Regardless of whether it is the Right or Left wing in power here we have a reasonably transparent, 1st world democracy that is the envy of most countries around the world. The number of people desperate to find a way to emigrate here should be testament to the attractiveness of Australia. Governments could always do better but to say our government doesnt have a good reputation around the world is not true. Only months ago our immigration policy (which from your post I assume you detest) was being lauded as the world's best by many politicians overseas. Quite regularly our government is hailed as having found an effective way to reform gun control. Our health system and our social safety net are viewed by many overseas as being first rate. There are things about the government that i dont like but to say our government has not got a good reputation anywhere in the world is just plain wrong! How do you reckon we stack up compared to Somalia, Nigeria or Syria? there are plenty of international scales putting us in the top 10-20 countries in the world on most fair and open government etc.

          There's 100 banned internet sites? I can only imagine the various conspiracy theories surrounding whatever that is all about. Good luck with the environment and with the tinfoil hat!

        • Since you pretend to be so ignorant about so many things your pompous statements realistically are at best ill informed.

          Maybe if could you could be bothered enough about your country to inform yourself of the facts you may be able to help to defend Australian freedoms.

          But clearly you are not, and they are disappearing.

          Your a luv it or leave it, and obviously quick to abuse, mock and attack. Those actions do not reflect Australian values.

        • @petry: HAHAHAHA!! I didn't know that Ozbargain had trolls or even worse SJWs. Defend Australian freedoms? If only you knew, 15 years in the regular army I reckon I ticked that box!! I'm not interested in having any kind of political argument on a bargain forum and you might want to check who was first to abuse, mock and attack, all i did was call out what I thought was a false statement, you were the one labelling me as some kind of right wing nut job, from your comments I assume you still think this and assume I am feigning ignorance. I genuinely have no idea who this Breitbart chap is or what these banned websites are but if you feel the need to label everyone as either right or left then go ahead!

        • Well I can read and I can see I asked you some questions.

          You responded by asserting I was a conspiracy theorist and believed in wearing a tinfoil hat ie mentally ill.

          You are feigning ignorance of that as well. I now know not to mention ms Hansen here because of what crawls out when you do. Thank you for reminding me of the new reality of the alt right.

          As for your comparing Australia to war zones I did wonder about that. Not any more.

          You seem proud of asserting your superior belief that multiculturalists are worse than trolls and that I am both. I am just an Australian.

        • @petry: There you go again making generalisations, you know nothing about me or my politics. I cant stand Hansen and I cant stand her hyphenated alter ego namesake from the polar opposite of politics, Hanson-Young from the Greens either. I dont have to fit into one of your stereotypical left vs right dialogues. In a free country I am free to like one party's policy on one issue and another party's policy on another issue, I dont have to be defined by left or right and fit in with the program depending on that choice. Here are the answers to your original questions:

          What do you read Breitbart News and other right-wing news sites? - Answer: Nope dont know who they are, what they are talking about, have never heard of it/them/him/whoever. Have never looked at that website and dont intend to. I assume there are right wing websites, I've never seen the list, I clearly dont spend as much time involved in politics as you.

          Surprised you didn't say climate change is fake news, and a coal port on top of the barrier reef would help it heal. Answer: not much interest, I havent really kept up with events, didnt know they were building a port and frankly, dont really care that much if they do. I've heard the 'fake news' slogan being used but dont really keep up with it. I am a bit suspicious of the whole enviro-wearrior culture and definitely wouldnt put myself in that company but I'm not interested enough in any of it to take an active position. I have never been to the barrier reef, I guess it would be nice if it stayed around but realistically I am more interested in keeping my job, paying my mortgage and feeding my kids.

          Perhaps you could list some of the secret 100 banned internet sites without being arrested as well? LOL, how can you not expect me to bring up a tinfoil hat with this one, there are only 100 banned websites? I would have thought the number would be much higher but whatever. Once again I dont go along to the Left vs Right policy meetings to keep up with current events. I am too busy working and paying taxes to keep the country going.

          In essence I am not an eco or SJ Warrior. Conversely I am not a 'Neo CVon' or whatever else it is you've called me. I dont listen to or believe in any of the conspiracies, dogmas or political manifestos. I am one of the regular 'silent majority' folks out there quietly getting along with life trying to get ahead. paying my mortgage and feeding my kids is more important to me than all of the world's political parties, activists, causes and rallies put together. Oh and I reckon Australia is a much better place than you are giving it credit for.

        • 'I am just an Australian' is not a generalisation.

          Australia will only remain a better place if people try to keep it that way.

          Pointing out deficiencies and failings is necessary to support any system.

          Its sad you don't accept other peoples rights to express their opinions pleasantly, without attacking them.

          like when you wrote 'I didn't know that Ozbargain had trolls or even worse SJWs' about me 2ndeffort.

          Someone famous said something like the price of freedom is vigilance. Clearly you don't believe that.

    • I was told yesterday that customs are saying the whole proposal is dead in the water. It seems AusPost have pointed out how much extra bond storage space and staff they will need to handle all the stuff that arrives without gst paid. Stored, paperwork to get gst collected, disposal of stuff that ends up not having the gst paid etc. Hope this ends up being correct.

  • When does this 10% gst start? I have a few things sitting overseas with family which i plan on sending over here.i cant get them here and works out less sending as a lot than from each seller.
    Would hate to be an extra 10% on top but then saying thati could have them sent as gift as they could easily be gifts from family?

  • Again when is this supposed to start or will it,I have been buying up a few things from eBay overseas have had them sent to family who will send them to me as a lot.
    If this was to start soon how do they know it's from eBay? If might be gifts sent from family ie birthday etc.
    Do if marked as gift it's just that.
    But as I have a few things and they still might want to charge me the 10% gst I don't want yo pay any extra for what I already have and whatever the costs be here to send.

    So does it start soon or just all talk right now about it

  • How does this affect buying from DHgate, Aliexpress and small chinese websites. Especially sites that are not DH and Ali.?

  • The senate committee sat and the following recommendation was made:

    implementation be delayed to 1 July 2018
    source: download PDF here

    • thanks mate, but it looks like eBay is going to charge GST from 1st July 2017

  • Last chance to save 10% with your online shopping and subscriptions tonight (Eg, if you are on monthly billing for a service such as streaming some allow you to pay a year in advance for a discount but if you do this tonight you will also save 10% due to avoiding GST that will come in from tomorrow!)

    Overview:

    Unchanged
    - 10% GST will apply to imported goods over AU$1,000

    From 1 July 2017
    - 10% GST will apply to cross-border supplies of imported services and digital products sold to Australian consumers
    - Whats included: Digital products and services

    From 1 July 2018
    - 10% GST will apply to imported low value goods.
    - This includes all physical goods sold to consumers and imported into Australia that have a value equal to or less than A$1,000.
    - These goods are currently exempt from GST

    More Details:
    https://www.ato.gov.au/business/international-tax-for-busine…

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