Moved to Forum: Original Link
Estimated delivery/collection on Wednesday, May 31, 2017
Mod: Orders were refunded due to no stock/'inventory error' by Officeworks.
Yep, the OP might have confused with the Seagate Backup Plus Desk Hub 8TB External Hard Drive Black STEL8000300 (Integrated USB hub with 2 x USB 3.0 Type-A Ports (USB 2.0 Compatible).
Yep, sorry, the "hub" has front ports.
Will be the SMR one that usually used to go for about the same price separately in the 20% off ebay sales. From a warranty perspective might be best just to use the usb to your nas.
I build NAS boxes for neighbours, friends & relatives so I'm always on the lookout for ways to get inexpensive 4, 6 & 8TB HDDs
SMR drive isn't the best companion with NAS
I've been running a few NAS boxes with the 8TB SMRs for the last 18 months and have had zero problems. Interestingly though I've just built & setup a NAS running 2 x 6TB Ironwolfs specifically built for NAS purposes because the user (a neighbour of mine) didn't like the risk vs cost of running the SMRs. It also works perfectly BUT those Ironwolfs are really noisy which is actually a problem for him (& something I didn't even consider when offering the different HDD types etc.). Sounds like rats in the walls whenever the heads move! Pretty bad actually, especially when compared with the far quieter SMRs.
Please see this review as my source:
http://www.storagereview.com/seagate_archive_hdd_review_8tb
It's still usable, but problems tend to arise when you need to scrub / rebuild the array. Also this drive became slow (30Mb/s or lower) after a few minutes of full speed writing.
@poporange630: Yep, all good and yes they're not ideal but real-world experience has proven to me they're quite an OK alternative if they can be had for a good enough price. The two 6TB Ironwolfs I purchased last week were $25 more than these per drive so it all comes down to size vs cost vs risk vs hassle vs personal preference.
They are alright until you have to rebuild your array. These take an eternity to complete and you better hope none falls off the array during the rebuild process.
@m9: Yep, understood. I run two mirrored SMRs in my offsite backup NAS and have an offline NAS sitting in a family members filing cabinet. Call me paranoid but triplicate data storage allows me to not worry as much about the reliability of HDDs :) Now, where's my tin foil hat?!
I have a mixture of SMR drives and Ironwolf drives, and confirm the Ironwolf ones are crazy noisy.
Next 10Tb I get will be a WD Red.
Nah it's good practice to backup your backups, we maintain 2 offsite backups as well. Anything to help you sleep easier at night :)
@beatsntoons: I am running 4x 8tb WD reds and can confirm they are noisy af. Not sure if its the synology enclosure or the drives themselves so I have applied velcro tape to minimise and absord the shock of vibrations. Drives are still a little noisy than I like though.
@SteveAndBelle: Seems about right. I'm heading towards a similar setup now. I have my main 4-bay NAS, then sitting on top is an external 5TB drive holding nightly backups. Then I'm about to repurpose my old 2-bay as an offsite backup.
Need the offsite backup in case anything happens to the house pretty much. If it burns down and I'm not there, then both the main NAS and the backup drive go with it. So the offsite backup is necessary for this. No tin foil hat required :)
@m9:
Got my 8 x 4TB SYNOLOGY backed up to Amazon cloud.
Looking to upgrade to 8 x 8TB at some point but would prefer regular rather than SMR drives
@kiitos: it'll just be a synology hyper backup configuration as both are synology models, but limited to personal data folders only to save space.
So this drive is thick? The other one has two intelligent USB ports!
This is just 1 x 8TB hard drive right?
Estimated delivery on Wednesday, May 31, 2017?
why so many bad reviews on amazon?
so the amazon link to a newer one that is cheaper?
https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-External-Desktop-Storage-STEL…
$264
I'm thinking I also need this for an offsite backup!
Nice price and very tempting - but - the stigma of dubious quality and higher than average failure still seems to haunt the Seagate brand.
Funnily enough I bought an IronWolf 4TB a few days ago to carry me over whilst a 15 month old WD has had to go in for 'fixing'.
Looks like WDC has a higher fail rate on these drives.
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-…
Yeah that site gets a lot of quoting but it's such a mishmash of different models and capacities in a 'non average use' configuration that I think distorts any real life figures?
Can those failures be due to model XYZ manufactured in Nov 2015 lemons whereas units made Mar 2016 are terrific?
Note that Backblaze is taking consumer drives that are meant for 8x5 run time and running them as 24x7 enterprise drives.
WDC accounted for not even 4% of the HDDs in their possession.
I was so tempted to buy this too… but I've had 5 Seagate drives fail on me in the last 5 or so years, w compared to 1 WD. I ended up buying a WD 6TB instead for basically the same price
I have just done the same. I had a 4TB WD Red that was about 6 months old fail on me. RMA'd it, a month later I have a replacement, put it in the NAS and during initialization it hits 20 bad sectors and fails too. So while RMA'ing the replacement, I decided I'd just buy a 4TB IronWolf as I felt uneasy about not having redundancy.
Pretty sure the first drive WD sent back was a refurb, but this one may not be as it is one of the new serial'd ones with 3x1.33TB platters as opposed to the older 4x1TB platters.
can you use this on your PS4 / XBOX One or does it need to be a portable Hard Drive?
Yes, can be used with consoles. Source: Amazon reviews
Thanking you
Your game load times would be very slow. This drive would be better suited for videos and other downloads.
@toxicdav3: I have SMR drives and they are pretty fast for sequential reads and writes. Notice maybe 10% difference in performance.
Very tempting if anyone has used this for a NAS would love to know, I got a readynas 312 and would like to use 2 of these
See the storage review link above- "At this time Seagate recommends single drive deployments, be it consumer or enterprise."
Great price. Too bad it's a Seagate. Had nothing but problems with the brand lately and I would rather pay double than increase my risk of yet another dead drive.
have to agree, i had a 2tb portable die on me late last year, got a replacement (refurbished) only for it to die on me this past month
Last month I had 2 die in the span of 2 weeks. 4TB drives. I had everything backed up but not as a 1:1 drive copy. Pain in the neck and time I'll never get back to restore it all.
Damn, hope i have no problem drives! could not resist though.. had to get one
Someone help me justify my purchase. I wasn't backing up my 4 bay synology NAS - crazy right?
Don't get it. This is the OLD model
The one with the 2 ports is the Backup Plus HUB
I got one a couple of weeks back for $279 off eBay during the sale.
@tomski182
You've justified it yourself. :)
A NAS is not a backup; unless what's on your NAS is also on drives in your PC drives which is what I have. Plus a couple portable drives. Easy enough to do with < 4TB of important stuff to keep.
That's all I needed. Thank you.
So, if I got one of these, I could pull the HDD out and use it in my computer with no issues?
Only 5900rpm, so it would be a horrible experience.
As a drive for downloads/playing media it would do the job though?
It would get by… just.
I can't comment on them in a case but as the bare drives themselves they'll be great. I currently have 11 HDs running 24/7 in my main PC which doubles as a media server for various devices around the house. A bit extreme I know but when you start with 2TB HDs you gradually upgrade in size and use the old ones as backups devices.
As I type my 2 8TB Seagates have clocked up 513 days continuous use and neither have thrown any errors. Use them for bulk storage and archive and they'll be fine. If you want blinding speed go SSD.
In general the best bet is to run an SSD for the operating system and large HDs for media.
I assume these just contain the 8tb Archive drives and i can pop them out of the case and use as an internal no worries?
Awesome deal, i picked up a few of these enclosed drives a couple months back for 350 a pop, time to add my 2 new ones to my 48tb XD
I don't get it.. isn't this better, newer and CHEAPER?
https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-External-Desktop-Storage-STEL…
Very tempting but I'll pass. Trying to recover a 5TB was hard enough. I can't imagine trying with 8TB
Need some new drives but i still do not forgive Seagate for all the failures i had years ago. One of the few brands burnt me to the point i'm still paranoid about.
Cheers OP - perfect timing :)
Thank you so much OP i just purchased 2 :D.
I just had my order cancelled because they are out of stock.
same here. What A holes. Cancelling orders when they have a stock control system.
Just got refunded for my order that I made on Friday with no explanation. Now I'm guessing it's for the same reason as poster above mentioned.
Nice work OW. :-(
Edit.. looks like it is still available to order. Useless.
Got a refund also! Not Happy!
Doh - got refund too :(
Any other suggestions for a similar 8TB backup drive?
A bit further up the page is a link to a drive from Amazon. Slightly cheaper and includes the hub if that interests you. Obviously not as convenient with warranty and all but may arrive before the officeworks one was supposed to anyway.
key reason I'm avoiding the amazon deals is the lack of "reasonable" cost warranty procedure. These things usually have 2/3 years warranty but if you deal with Amazon then you're having to ship it back and forth overseas. Aside from the obvious pain doing this last time I tried doing this the shipping cost exceeded the depreciated value of the drives. Local stores like Officeworks are easier to deal with. Though as we can see also hopeless.
Unless someone knows how to get around this issue with Amazon?
Got a refund too
Has anyone not had their order cancelled yet?
Looking to verify reports that all orders are cancelled due to no stock.
Thanks
Yep i purchased 2 on 15/5 and they both got cancelled and refunded so you may as well close the deal.
Its also gone back to $400 dollars
https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/seagate-8t…
Order accepted for 2 units, then cancelled by Officeworks saying they are unable to locate any stock.
If anyone's keen for a similar priced, US sourced yet better spec'd alternative I jumped on four of these WDs yesterday for an impending Xpenology NAS build for myself: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LQQHLGC They have been slightly cheaper in the past but only by about $10-20. Note: These contain non-SMR HDDs so they're basically WD Reds which sell locally for about $100-$150 more per drive! WD Reds offer far superior specs than these SMR 'Archive' Seagates however I've never personally used them myself so 'fingers crossed' :)
Buy 1 for AUD $300.39ea Shipped
Buy 2 for AUD $296.88ea Shipped
Buy 3 for AUD $295.72ea Shipped
Buy 4 by buying two orders of two to avoid import tax.
Note that you can get them for even less on paper if buying in USD however you may get hit with a currency conversion fee once the purchase is processed.
(Thanks must go to Jabba for the original find in this deal: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/303459)
please refer to my comment about. Pay less but run the risk when the drives fail.
Yeah, fair enough but saving $400-$600 is worth the risk IMO. These HDDs are for my own NAS though so yes I'd probably feel a little different if I was using them in one I was building up for someone else. Put it this way, with the amount I'm saving I could buy another drive or even TWO to have as backups in case of failure and either be in front or on par with what it cost if buying locally.
On the regular RRP (which is usually unreasonable in Australia) and dealing only with WD not Seagate you would have a point. (I find seagates have a much higher failure rate so its got a high chance of going back in practical terms) I guess in this case Officeworks had it at a lower price than the Amazon price anyway but then no stock is no stock.
Every used something like PriceUSA to mitigate the return cost risk?
I'd be interested in seeing if Amazons rumoured entry into Australia late this year will also translate to a better returns process (at the current pricing).
Nice… but I can't see the two USB ports for this product. Seagate have a few versions of 'Desktop' USB HDDs including one with obvious USB ports on the front but I don't think this particular one has them. Not a big deal but I'm just trying to determine what drive this product has inside and if it's ripe for use in a NAS.