Speeding Fine - Requesting The Alleged Speed Be Reduced by 1KM/H

yolohobo on 21/08/2017 - 14:57
Last edited 28/08/2017 - 15:50

Hi everyone,

Does anyone know if it's possible to request the alleged speed on the fine be reduced by a small amount - in this case 1KM/H.

My fine is for driving 100KM/H in a 80KM/H zone.

This puts me in the exceeding the limit by 20-29KM/H bracket - which is $400 and 3 demerit points.

Where as if the alleged speed was 1KM/H less, I'd be in the 10-19KM/H bracket - which is $200 and 2 demerit points.

Has anyone had any experience making this type of request in the past, or does anyone know if this is possible or not?

It's worth noting I'm in WA if it makes a difference.

Thanks!

UPDATE:

Sad news friends.

In WA the recorded speed is reduced by 1KM/H for speeds between 0-100KM/H and 2KM/H for speeds over 100KM/H.

Meaning my detected speed was actually 102KM/H and not on the border between the two brackets like I thought.

It's also it's worth noting all infringement penalties and allocated demerit points are set by legislation, and therefore, cannot be altered. WA Police have no authority to alter or override this legislation.

Someone hold me :(

I hope this is helpful for future readers though.

Automotive

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                          • blitz on 19/10/2023 - 22:26

                            @speedingftw:

                            Have you even driven the autobahn recently?

                            Oh, have you? Or are you too busy making ghost accounts to talk about speed cameras?

                            • speedingftw on 19/10/2023 - 22:27

                              @blitz: Driven it many times
                              Even in the restricted 130kmh zones, people regularly do 150+
                              Funny how Germans can manage that speed but Australians can't

                              • blitz on 19/10/2023 - 22:30

                                @speedingftw:

                                Driven it many times

                                No you haven't. And even if you had, it wouldn't make you an expert. But you haven't.

                                • speedingftw on 19/10/2023 - 22:31

                                  @blitz: You know nothing about Germany

                                  • blitz on 19/10/2023 - 22:35

                                    @speedingftw: We're not talking about Germany, though, are we - we're talking about road safety expertise, of which you have none. Claims of magically understanding road safety because you've purportedly driven on the autobahn mean nothing.

                                    • speedingftw on 19/10/2023 - 22:35

                                      @blitz: I've driven on the autobahn and other high speed roads and didn't see a single accident
                                      Yet you're claiming that speeding = bad

                                      • blitz on 19/10/2023 - 22:41

                                        @speedingftw: If your arguments about speeding had any merit, you wouldn't need to create a ghost account to fabricate support for your position. Just like I didn't need to create a ghost account to state the fact that you've never driven anywhere near the autobahn. You probably haven't even driven in Melbourne.

  • QW3RTY on 21/08/2017 - 15:59
    +17

    Requesting The Alleged Speed Be Reduced by 1KM/H

    Why stop there? I'd request for the speed be reduced by 20km/h.

    What possible, logical argument could you feasibly present to justify your request?

    • yolohobo on 21/08/2017 - 16:43
      +3

      You have to stop somewhere though.

      If I got it reduced all the way to 0, I'd get just fined for parking on the freeway.

    • Baysew on 21/08/2017 - 16:46
      +4

      Maybe request that they raise the speed limit.

    • altomic on 21/08/2017 - 17:30
      +1

      Get it reduced by 101 and they will have pay OP.

      • yolohobo on 21/08/2017 - 17:37
        +2

        It's the platform I'll be running on in the next election.

    • dufflover on 22/08/2017 - 15:21

      What possible, logical argument could you feasibly present to justify your request?

      That's what I'm thinking (along side being a total reckless jerk).
      Obeying the speed limit isn't just accepting the whole road safety crap. Some speed limits are a joke, but 20 over is equally a joke, and thinking that anyone would even entertain this request is on a whole other level of joke.

      Why would you expect anyone let alone the authorities to read past the first sentence of any appeal?!

  • Looking4Bargians on 21/08/2017 - 16:08
    +9

    Been there done that.
    Was doing 65 in 40 Road work zone. Got $500, 4 Demerit Points and a 1-month suspension. 1KM less speed would have saved my suspension….but done the mistake. learnt from this… Chin up and pay. Learn from mistakes and don't do next time..ever…..

    • Toons on 21/08/2017 - 19:49

      i contested this camera pinged me in a section of roadworks before the speed change set for construction speed when they asked how i could prove it i replied with the date time and description of the 2 coppers 50M further in front in the same area checking people were complying with speed drop. they recalled all fines issued, by that camera.

    • boomramada on 30/08/2017 - 16:06

      This happen to be ages ago, cop did the negotiation (I put you in lower speed, which reduce a lot) and put me as lower price bracket.
      I didn't even haggle!
      I pay the fine move on :)

  • [Deactivated] on 21/08/2017 - 16:18
    +4

    How does this work?

    "I am sorry I was endangering myself and the lives of everyone around me in what really should be attempted manslaughter… could I pay less money?"

    There should be zero tolerance on these sorts of dangerous traffic offences with immediate license suspensions in place for people who are so wreckless (remove the demerit system in place of immediate suspension).

    • ausdday on 21/08/2017 - 16:30
      +7

      and pedestrians who cross on red shall be sentenced to lifetime imprisonment?

      • [Deactivated] on 21/08/2017 - 17:32
        +9

        Dude… I could go outside now and within 5 minutes take photos of 10 cars crossing reds, queueing across intersections and queueing across pedestrian walks in the city.

        If you venture outside your "aussie", Tracy Grimshaw ruled suburban bubble to other parts of the world you will see pedestrians, cyclists and motorists can co-exist in peace; Check London, Paris, Amsterdam anywhere in Southeast Asia. People casually jaywalking , cyclists overflowing on the roads. Cars moving much slower; driving is a utility and not some great "freedom" that people seem to think it is.

        Everyone in Australia is secretly (profanity) the petrol holes of their "pride and joy" believing it is some kind of miracle machine that is a necessity of life. People literally flip their (profanity) shit if the paint on their shitty (profanity) commodore is smudged. People somehow believe, despite our countries alcohol problems and road rage incidents where people get out of the car and clobber each-other, that Australians are mentally equipped to be able to surpass our speed limits.

        On a 60km journey, going 20km/h over the speed limit may only get you to your destination 5 minutes faster. One collision could cost you an hour or more of time. Then will cost all the other drivers who had to slow down to pass you an hour. If you accounted the time one single M4 collision could cause in total man-hours of delays it could be days, just because someone wanted to get home 5minutes faster.

        • ausdday on 21/08/2017 - 22:39

          Dude, welcome to 1st world. We have lots of first world problem here.

        • [Deactivated] on 22/08/2017 - 02:10
          +2

          @ausdday:

          In the first world people could pay for their speeding fines. $400 is not too much money; which loops me back to the demerit issue.

          No… No this problem is someone who is irresponsible; a hazard to the world around them.

    • yolohobo on 21/08/2017 - 16:47

      Personally I'd support the death penalty.

      • altomic on 21/08/2017 - 19:09
        +9

        Nah, something harder. People who get the death penalty never change.

        • jwb1981 on 23/08/2017 - 10:07
          +1

          If it's the electric chair, they become crispy…

    • Lockieasy on 22/08/2017 - 18:54
      +1

      Nice meltdown.

      The OP got fined in an 80 zone (not a 60 zone) so the road is most likely rated for 100-110km/h anyway, which is well within the OP's speed, car handling and expertise assuming he is an average driver.

      • [Deactivated] on 22/08/2017 - 23:35

        I mean… if this were true…

        He should get on the phone now to the police, the RTA, the experts, the politicians. Just like… call them all up at once and say "you guys are wrong… ummm… in Australia we can actually drive really fast like racecar drivers… but we dont need to wear helmets".

        Car drivers probably should be wearing helmets though.

  • myusername on 21/08/2017 - 16:20
    +4

    normally it depends on the officer who pulled you over, if they're in a good mood or if you were nice to them they will do it on the spot then and there.

    i got pulled over during the xmas break, the cop asked me when the last time i got done was, i said about 7 years ago, and he said well i'll drop you down to save you some money.

    thanked the officer and drove away happily

    • yolohobo on 21/08/2017 - 16:49

      Yeah if I was pulled over that's probably how it would have gone. It was a speed camera though.

      • myusername on 21/08/2017 - 16:59

        good luck is all i can offer

  • whooah1979 on 21/08/2017 - 16:29

    My fine is for driving 100KM/H in a 80KM/H zone.

    your speedometer may be inaccurate. our vehicle may shows us travelling at 100km/h, but the a119s shows our speed as 95km/h.

    • Froot Loops on 21/08/2017 - 17:34
      +2

      There is suppose to be about an 8% leeway due to cars being allow to be 8% out (From my Mazda training guide 2010).
      My RIO says 100 and GPS is around 96km also

      • Toons on 21/08/2017 - 19:39
        +1

        yeah this is true but the moral of the story is the speedo can't read more than actual so if you know it's under the tolerance was 10% plus or minus 4k's so it's possible to be doing 86 when your speedo reads 100 but just because you believe it to be under is no defence

        Manufacturers can get away with this as long as the moving speed or actual is equal to or less than reading on speedo.

        if your speed read 80 on speedo but actual was 82 the manufacturer would face fines. provided you hadn't modified car i.e. putting larger rims and tyres increasing rolling diameter.

        The onus is actually on the owner of the car though which sucks but as technology progresses and the margins become smaller and more accurate the speedo's are going to have to reflect true.

      • JimmyF on 22/08/2017 - 09:55
        +1

        mazda speedos are the WORST…. doing 100 by the speedo, 92 by the GPS.

        and its not law, toyota can get right, 100 on the speed, 98 by the GPS.

  • [Deactivated] on 21/08/2017 - 18:20
    +13

    OMG grow up child and accept you were speeding… which you know kills people including my sister by one of your kind. Put into perspective you are in control of a murder weapon.
    Drive safe or ride a skateboard. RIP Sam.

    • yolohobo on 21/08/2017 - 18:40

      I'm sorry to hear about your sister. I hope you're doing ok.

      • [Deactivated] on 21/08/2017 - 18:44
        +5

        Yes thanks for taking the time to reply, it was a while ago and we have moved on now, a speeding driver on their mobile took her out crossing the road . Just learn a lesson and don't speed. Well too much you understand.

        • yolohobo on 21/08/2017 - 20:23
          +6

          If it helps to hear, I never drink and drive, use a phone or any other device while driving, or intentionally speed, etc. I take my responsibility as a driver seriously. When driving my attention is 100% on the road and my general surroundings. When it comes to my speed, I aim to drive within the speed limit, but every now and then I go over because my eyes are on the road, not the speedo. And even then this generally only happens on high speed roads like freeways or highways, as opposed to suburban streets.

          The purpose of this thread was simply to gauge the likelihood of being able to pay a smaller fine, rather than a larger one, given I was right on the line between the two. I don't feel I'm undeserving of a fine, or that road safety is something to be taken lightly.

          Given your situation, I understand it has to be distressing to think there's someone out there driving around not giving a stuff about anyone but themselves, so I hope in writing this I've been able to ease your mind a bit.

        • he3at on 22/08/2017 - 13:43
          +3

          @sipitai I hope you get treated with the same level of reasonable-ness that is obvious in your reply here.

        • yolohobo on 22/08/2017 - 14:43

          Thanks!

        • whirlpool_guy on 22/08/2017 - 15:08
          +1

          @sipitai:

          My driving instructor taught me to glance the speedo frequently and regularly

          Cruise control also helps

        • yolohobo on 22/08/2017 - 15:16

          My rule of thumb is - Is it safe to look away from the road for a second? If it is, I'll glance at my speedo, but if not I'll wait until it is.

        • andylch on 22/08/2017 - 15:19
          +1

          @sipitai:

          Use HUD instead.

        • payless69 on 23/08/2017 - 17:06

          @sipitai: Nerds gone out of fashion! I had to learn this the hard way.
          To be cool you need to have dark skin, can dance well, smile between your lies of of course for the girls u need to be well "hung".

          Soon you also need to be vocal about being bi, proud about how much you can rip off the stupid taxpayer the list goes on and on…

  • Ocker on 21/08/2017 - 19:17
    +2

    With such obvious reckless disregard for the law and safety of fellow road users I reckon they should throw the book at you. After all it is thoughtless hoons like you that kill innocent people

  • Steptoe on 21/08/2017 - 19:25
    +14

    An ex-Cop once told me to cost average any fine received across all the others you didn't get caught for.

    • Architectonic on 23/08/2017 - 15:43

      They should just give everyone fines then, robo-debt style!

  • supnigs super skids on 21/08/2017 - 19:26
    +2

    Like wow! 100 means you were going like 105! They already took some off. Not sorry to say you deserve what's coming to you by the law.

    • yolohobo on 21/08/2017 - 20:28
      +1

      A few other people have mentioned this as well, but is this something they really do, or just an urban myth?

      When the flash went off I remember looking at my speedo and it was more or less bang on 100, it could have been a 1-2 over or under, and it's possible my speedo is calibrated incorrectly, but from what I can tell, the alleged speed on the fine is the actual speed I was travelling at.

      • airal3rt on 21/08/2017 - 21:33
        +3

        Some states do some states don't, it will be clear on your paperwork if they have reduced it as they will have a "recorded speed" and then a 2-3km/h lower "alleged speed" that the fine is actually calculated on.

        Don't listen to the mouthbreathers in this thread who've been brainwashed by government propaganda. People think that propaganda is only spread by dictators or in wartime, but it's omnipresent and insidious as evidenced by the droolers in this thread.

        • syousef on 22/08/2017 - 08:58

          What would you propose exactly? No speed limit? Everywhere an autobahn?

        • yolohobo on 22/08/2017 - 15:13

          It's understandable though. Most reasonable people are angered by those who behave selfishly and with disregard for others.

          In this case my original post just says I got caught speeding and want to reduce my fine. So without any additional information, a percentage of people will take the black and white approach and assume I'm one of those people who drives around like an idiot and doesn't think about anyone but themselves.

  • Toons on 21/08/2017 - 19:30

    Thank god you weren't going faster 44ks over is an auto night in jail or used to be in WA my mate found that one out the hard way

    100 zone with 2 quick drops 80 then 60 he passed the 60 sign at 105 free night in jail luckily they didn't take cars off you at the time for being a hoon.

    If it's a new car your internal instruments can argue for you if you just need the 1 k drop remember the yellow lambo that the police impounded and destroyed the computer so they couldn't dispute the speed

    Since your from WA you might remember the carry on with that one.

    • coxjon on 21/08/2017 - 20:21

      That wasn't true in 2012 - I was pinged 62km/h over (incorrectly signed roadworks, no "end of roadworks" sign, 110 section of highway) and they let me keep my bike and drop it off at the impound later. This was a cop in a highway patrol car.
      Has it changed recently?

      • Toons on 21/08/2017 - 21:46

        Maybe there was no mitigating circumstances he was flat out speeding no excuses.

        (incorrectly signed roadworks, no "end of roadworks" sign, 110 section of highway)

        Seems you had cause to argue, but no i don't honestly know if the rules have changed.

        I just know what i had to tell his folks when i dropped his mums brand new car back to her.

        She never bought a sports car again though

  • ThePasserby on 22/08/2017 - 02:52
    +2

    Try Waze.

    • yolohobo on 22/08/2017 - 15:21

      I've actually been meaning to.

      Ideally what I'd like is an app that knows the speed limit of the roads I'm driving on and beeps when I go over.

      I think this is something that will be built into cars eventually. Although perhaps it wont be necessary as we'll have self-driving cars by then :)

  • [Deactivated] on 22/08/2017 - 03:13

    It's worth noting I'm in WA if it makes a difference.

    Yes, that does make a difference, as i want even more of the GST that you guys collect.
    Welcome to our indissoluble federation - you did agree bro…

    It shall be lawful for the Queen, with the advice of the Privy Council, to declare by proclamation that, on and after a day therein appointed, not being later than one year after the passing of this Act, the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania, and also, if Her Majesty is satisfied that the people of Western Australia have agreed thereto, of Western Australia, shall be united in a Federal Commonwealth under the name of the Commonwealth of Australia. But the Queen may, at any time after the proclamation, appoint a Governor-General for the Commonwealth.

    [Deactivated] on 22/08/2017 - 03:13 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
  • jno on 22/08/2017 - 07:10
    +2

    Lol at least its not instant loss of license, just pay up and count your blessings you didnt get caught going any higher

  • smart78 on 22/08/2017 - 07:48

    I am sure your speedo meter must be showing closer to 110 when you got this speeding ticket, you already get -3km relaxation from your actual speed.

    I was in similar situation last year, accepted my mistake and paid my fine.

  • syousef on 22/08/2017 - 08:39
    +5

    Short answer: No.
    Long answer: No, you joker.
    Revised long answer after appeal: No, you muppet.

    • WhyAmICommenting on 22/08/2017 - 15:26

      Judge Judy has spoken!

      • syousef on 22/08/2017 - 22:02
        +1

        No, but I'd love to earn what she does :P

  • iforgotmysocks on 22/08/2017 - 08:40
    -1

    Lol pwned

  • djmm on 22/08/2017 - 09:03
    +2

    Of course you can mate. Please write them formal to whom it may concern letter.

    Make sure you use comic sans font to show your mellow side. They will forgive you.

    Also put in PS you pay their salary via your tax.

    • yolohobo on 22/08/2017 - 21:45
      +1

      Yes or no to spicing it up with some clipart?

      • djmm on 22/08/2017 - 22:19

        As long as the font itself is no bigger than size 24, it should be okay.

  • bargainswarrior03 on 22/08/2017 - 10:33
    +1

    Were you issued the fine by the police or was this a fixed speeding camera?

    Police issued fine - way harder to appeal however you could have sweet talked to the officer at the time and asked for a reduction
    Camera - give it a shot, but it is unlikely.

    I have received a speeding fine in the past before (camera related), and tried to appeal to the SDRO (NSW body responsible for collecting fines). It is very very hard to succesfully appeal (technically it is called a review with the SDRO). The appeal grounds are black and white.

    Read page 8 onwards
    http://www.sdro.nsw.gov.au/lib/docs/misc/br_001.pdf

    Ideally you need a sob story to ask for a reduction. If you don't and your reason is purely to pay a lesser fine and cop 1 less demerit point, it does not look good for you to ask.

  • sghetti on 22/08/2017 - 11:41
    +5

    Is your car worth $80k? If so, it is a high yield car and you should be able to offset the fine against this. Trust me, I work for Westpac.

    • IMadeYouReadThis on 22/08/2017 - 12:52
      +1

      Is your car worth $80k?

      Lol, I was just going to ask him whether he works to Westpac :D

      This is like the cyclist joke on DashCamAustralia Facebook page!

      • andylch on 22/08/2017 - 13:29

        Any link or detail?

  • edwardcr on 22/08/2017 - 13:49
    -2

    And the award for the most stupid question of the year has to go to……………

  • Aniseed Steed on 22/08/2017 - 15:42
    +3

    You behaved inconsiderately by not having any regard for your fellow road users and you're asking us to help you get off lightly?

    • leznix on 23/08/2017 - 10:46
      -1

      I really really hate to read news about innocents killed by speeding/drunk/phone drivers. Families got destroyed for notbing.

  • dufflover on 22/08/2017 - 17:42

    Pics or troll post

  • PerthectDeal on 22/08/2017 - 17:50
    +1

    Geez, in hindsight you should have let out a few psi out of your tyres before this trip…

  • Kamsi on 22/08/2017 - 18:22
    +1

    Got book once in WA, my bad trying to overtake a friggin truck. That was long truck nothing I seen in NSW freeway :)

    The Cop was nice to me didn't give me any demerit point just a pay cheque of $200.

  • OzzyOzbourne on 22/08/2017 - 18:34
    +1

    They already knock 3kph off, which means you were doing 103kph, you're speedo probably read 108kph, in an 80 zone.
    Just be glad you didn't kill someone, pay up and don't be a retard next time.

  • djmm on 22/08/2017 - 20:40
    +1

    where is this discount 3kph theory come from? Is this fact?

    • yolohobo on 22/08/2017 - 21:38

      For some states, it seems infringements are sent out with both a detected and alleged speed. e.g. detected 103KM/H alleged 100KM/H.

      However where this isn't printed on the infringement, which is the case here in WA, I've seen no evidence one way or the other.

  • lostn on 23/08/2017 - 09:00
    +1

    It sucks being on the borderline. You could have done an extra 9kph at no extra cost!

  • mranderson978 on 23/08/2017 - 09:36
    +1

    Of course you can.
    You can also choose to fight your fine in court.
    Keep us updated, we're all interested to know how it turns out.

  • d86 on 23/08/2017 - 14:23

    ..and don't forget cashrewards !

  • OzzyOzbourne on 23/08/2017 - 15:48
    +2

    Use the voucher code FINE5 to reduce it.

    • jwb1981 on 23/08/2017 - 22:49

      Code has been used too many times, can't get discount. Got one that gives 20 off?

  • aurotaro on 23/08/2017 - 17:00
    +2

    Asking for a bargain on OzBargain. Well played.

  • MetalPhreak on 23/08/2017 - 20:40

    Read the fine carefully. It'll have the speed they got you at and then the fine is for alledged speed which is 2kmh less

  • sabracad on 23/08/2017 - 21:10
    +1

    Second hand story and it may depend on the situation but definitely used to be possible in Qld - no idea if still an option.

    I'm an accountant but had a client of mine two years ago clocked in the low 100's in a 70 zone on a handheld. The bracket was going to cause a loss of licence.

    Incidentally he later worked out the cop averaged 140 or so to pull him over where he did which meant speeds in excess of that from a standing start and slow down upon catching up.

    He went with a lawyer to court, and plead guilty to a lower speed. His first attempt was rejected but the lawyer suggested they try again either later in the day or possibly the next day with someone else on duty and he was successful on second attempt.

    Probably not in the Ozbargain spirit, but if you're just trying to reduce the fine I wouldn't have thought it worth the hassle. Call around a few suburban lawyers though and see if any are willing to provide some guidance.

  • Fishrulz on 24/08/2017 - 08:00

    Hoons will be Hoons…..just cough it up and move on

  • Bedgrub on 24/08/2017 - 13:44
    +2

    Next week on OzB: "1KM/H off next speeding ticket, use code 'BOGAN'"

  • Cheeper on 24/08/2017 - 14:57
    +1

    No sympathy for the op but much respect for being a true ozbargainer and pushing for that discount.
    Write a nice letter … hope you get the deal :-)

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