Theft at NSW Home and Police Closed The Case with No Investigation

L[Deactivated] on 16/09/2017 - 13:29
Last edited 17/09/2017 - 21:19 by 2 other users

Hi guys i am new to Sydney moved on PR.

Recently robbery happened in our house where we lost around 25 thousand worth gold, cash.

We were out of station on weekend and the robbers entered through window and robbed everything. As soon as we returned next day night we called police and they came after 5 hours. And finger prints agents came after 7 hrs.

Unfortunately we don't have content insurance and thought of putting the gold in locker next day,and no cameras in our apartment.

After coming home, by mistake I have switched on lights and my friend lifted the window which was removed by robbers.

But the sad part is police just took complaint and next day they closed the case as no finger prints were found.

I asked them assuming the thief has used gloves why not our finger prints were found,there was no answer and police told technically he can't answer.

He did not even enquire any one, did not try for cameras around and he suggested to go and enquire in pawnbroker shops.

Is this the way the police in this country?

How can we escalate this
Any way to recover?
This our savings from last 8 years…so please suggest and guide us.

Thanks
Maddy

Home & Garden

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  • nocure on 16/09/2017 - 13:31
    +62

    25 thousand worth gold, cash.

    Unfortunatley we dont have content insurance

    • [Deactivated] on 16/09/2017 - 13:50

      Yeah we visited our home country and got gold which we can use it for loan against gold if we dont get job on time..

      It was a weekend and we took bank appointment on tuesday but this happened over the weekend.

      • Scrooge McDuck on 16/09/2017 - 16:28
        +74

        Who knew about your gold and cash savings?

        • immortalbjr on 16/09/2017 - 22:50
          +30

          This. People dont randomly break in, you've talked to someone who has talked to someone else.

          Or you just told the wrong person in the first place. Either way its someone you know.

        • dfaktz on 16/09/2017 - 23:58
          +6

          @immortalbjr: Yup, the percentage of robberies that take place ..by a friend or family member is ridiculously high, something like 80% of cases I remember hearing last.

        • MrFrugalSpend on 17/09/2017 - 00:42
          +5

          @immortalbjr: totally, someone saw you with it, you spoke about it, or maybe followed you there from where you visibly carried it, unloaded it, or declared it. Its way too much of a cooincidence. Somebody knew you had it. Have a think about who.

          I know someone who got robbed that lived in a safe area and hadn't been robbed in decades. However within a week of tradie friends and their young apprentices rewiring the place, a job where they would have seen what they wanted to steal and where cash was lying around, it got stolen…cooincidence, i think not.

        • Deridas on 17/09/2017 - 10:20
          +7

          Yeah, I think it smells of an inside job.
          I presume culturally it's common for people to bring gold/cash from their home country and the robber is of the same culture as well.

          If I had 20k of valuable stealable-contents I'll sticky tape it inside my underpants day or night and even in the shower.

        • boretentsu on 17/09/2017 - 15:21
          +1

          @Deridas: plus you presumably told someone you were gone for the weekend which also gives them a window for break in (pun unintended).

          It's unlikely the police will help. Our home was broken into a very long time ago when I was a kid and the police pretty much did what you described back then too. Now I'm an adult with some assets, I have contents insurance. Hope it works out for you.

        • Scrooge McDuck on 17/09/2017 - 15:26
          +2

          @Deridas:

          inside my underpants day or night and even in the shower.

          Never Nude?

        • BertieBrown on 17/09/2017 - 18:18
          +1

          @dfaktz:

          There was a case in the states where an executive was having a home built.

          The grandson of the builder brought a friend for part of the construction (he was hired by the contractor). The grandson's friend new knew that a safe was being installed and the location of the safe, I'm not entirely sure if they were also aware of the nature of the owners of the building, but I assume that they were some indication that the owners were wealthy. They engineered a robbery, which then I believe became a hostage situation (police were not involved during which).

          I can't remember if both the male and female were murdered but there was at least one homicide.

          I agree with others, it is likely that either your home was being watched or somebody was aware that you had this amount of money in your home at that time.

          This really sucks. People are so shitty. I really hope you can get your stuff back.

      • PVA on 16/09/2017 - 17:35
        +5

        You can call or go online 24/7 and get insurance though.

      • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 16/09/2017 - 20:32
        -8

        Did you declare the gold to customs when you brought it into the country?

        • whooah1979 on 16/09/2017 - 20:40
          +6

          Did you declare the gold to customs when you brought it into the country?

          What does that have to do with this topic? It makes no difference either way.

        • MrFrugalSpend on 17/09/2017 - 11:28
          +11

          @whooah1979: it could make a difference, Aust could have an inside job on our hands from people working at customs, after all you have to write how much you are bringing in and your address in Australia on one form… think about it, ideal source of intel.

        • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 17/09/2017 - 17:35
          +2

          @whooah1979:

          It has everything to do with the topic. This was not a random theft. OP was targeted.

        • [Deactivated] on 17/09/2017 - 20:17
          +1

          Yes i did and paid tax as well in airport..will it helps getting my gold back??

          If not then no point

      • [Deactivated] on 16/09/2017 - 21:07

        Ever hear of these things called banks?

        • dfaktz on 16/09/2017 - 23:59
          +3

          Pfft, I just keep my expensive silk and exotic spices in the bank.

  • altomic on 16/09/2017 - 13:35
    +35

    why didn't you store it securely?
    why didn't you have insurance?
    why did you make so many errors?

    what do you now expect from the police?
    -what are they going to do with no evidence, no leads, etc?
    -what is there to esculate?
    -how do you think the police can anything?
    -what do you think the police should do?

    -what cameras around? (if they used gloves then maybe they had masks) -and then what?

      • [Deactivated] on 16/09/2017 - 15:47
        +53

        I am new to australia mate..

        This isn't a matter of the country you are in, or where you're from, or the languages involved. This is about common sense.

      • Scrooge McDuck on 16/09/2017 - 16:36
        +21

        I am new to australia mate..

        Do robberies not occur in your home country?

        • [Deactivated] on 16/09/2017 - 18:38
          +5

          It will happen..but my worry is abt police not even trying to investigate .

          In my country at least they enquire neighbours..looks for clues nearby camera's etc..

          And i am more concerned here they could find our finger prints atleast…did the finger prints team did right job?

          I totally agree that i shld be more care

        • whooah1979 on 16/09/2017 - 18:42

          @Ozbargy:

          did the finger prints team did right job?

          they didn't find any fingerprints on the frame because it was wiped down.

        • BertieBrown on 17/09/2017 - 18:30
          +3

          @Ozbargy:

          If you utilised resources like forensics for burglaries then there is a possibility that those resources would be taken away from other areas of policing, such as homicide, assault, rape, aggravated robberies etc. There is only a certain degree of resources available for DNA, forensics etc and unfortunately there is just too much petty crime, everywhere, for this to be allocated to those kinds of crimes.

          It's just that simple.

          I'm not saying that your impact or your suffering is not warranted, I really do feel for you. It's absolutely shitty that this has happened, but sadly the police just too many more serious crimes to deal with.

          I'm not saying that there isn't police corruption in Australia because I think it exists everywhere but just remember that there are plenty of places in the world where crimes are only investigated if you pay the police.

          Edit- My crappy content.

        • Finde on 17/09/2017 - 18:33
          +3

          @Ozbargy:

          It's because fingerprints aren't the miracle thing TV makes them out to be. Depends on surface the fingerprints are on, how dirty/clean the surface is, temperature, humidity etc. There are many factors effecting fingerprints.

          Police will make all the inquiries with neighbours re footage etc. However, the people that attended the scene and did the fingerprints are not necessarily the ones who will do it. That amount of money will most likely be handled by the detectives and so they are the ones who will do all of that.

        • mangoss on 17/09/2017 - 20:04
          +1

          @Finde: This. Thank you for your common sense. Civilians watch TV and seem to think prints are everywhere and always easily obtainable!

      • whooah1979 on 16/09/2017 - 17:17
        +1

        Why the police did not find even our finger prints.?

        you guys were wearing gloves?

        • [Deactivated] on 16/09/2017 - 18:35

          No we wernt…

      • Tee Rex Arms on 17/09/2017 - 02:03

        Is there a reason your fingerprints would be ina database anywhere e.g security application, criminal offence etc. if your fingerprints aren't recorded then there wouldn't have been a hit (match) on the system.

      • chumbucket on 17/09/2017 - 02:06
        +8

        I am new to australia mate..

        Youve been an ozbargainer since January….

        • 0031nek on 17/09/2017 - 18:05

          be gentle, he's been looking for bargains in Oz even before he arrived?

      • dangerdanger on 17/09/2017 - 16:28

        Robbers used gloves. Hence no fingerprints

    • [Deactivated] on 17/09/2017 - 20:43

      Thanks

      Hope you dont commit any errors in your life.you are Mr.perfect..best of luck

      • [Deactivated] on 17/09/2017 - 20:48

        thanks for the advice MR. Know it all

      • [Deactivated] on 17/09/2017 - 20:51

        you can close the thread by hitting the report button

  • mbck on 16/09/2017 - 13:43
    +7

    Sorry to hear, it must've been quite devastating. While being emotional is inevitable, take a step back and look at the overall picture. Unfortunately it will be near impossible to find the culprits, unless if they make a mistake in the future and one thing leads to another and the police find your belongings amongst their pile. At the moment though, there are no leads.

    I think the next best thing is to make sure you have better security; see Altomic's post. make sure this does not happen again. Change your locks. Put locks on windows. Have insurance. Insurance is there for the unexpected. That's the mistake people make, oh it'll never happen.

    • BartholemewH on 17/09/2017 - 20:45

      Maybe hire a secure box held at a financial institution? I hear they invest a bit in security.

  • [Deactivated] on 16/09/2017 - 13:46
    +1

    Thanks mbck..its a rented house and spoke to owner but they are not intrested in additional security measures.

    Yes pointed noted abt insurance.will take care in future.

    • mbck on 16/09/2017 - 13:55
      -1

      Have a peek at this
      Specifically:
      'Reasonable' security
      The law does not say what 'reasonable' security means. The Tribunal decides this on a case-by-case basis (see 'Applying to the Tribunal for orders' below).
      In the Sydney metropolitan area, it could mean double-cylinder deadlocks on the main doors and locks on the windows. In the inner city, it could also mean bars on ground-floor windows but in a rural area, this is unlikely.
      If you believe the locks and security are inadequate:
      Ask an insurance company what locks and security devices it requires before it will insure your home contents. (Get this in writing.)
      Write to the landlord/agent and ask that they install the required locks/devices.
      If the landlord/agent does not install the locks/devices as requested, they may be in breach of their obligation to provide 'reasonable' security.

      Be nice discussing this. Let them know that you are concerned about your safety and this will help future tenants as well .

      In saying the above, that's only ONE method to keep you safe. You'll need to do everything else discussed earlier.

      Good luck

      • TheBilly on 16/09/2017 - 14:23
        +2

        Why doesnt OP just buy some form of portable security as opposed to going through such an elaborate hassle. As a land lord myself, I would say get stuffed, if OP then says your in breach of contract, I would then say "Sue me".

        • mbck on 16/09/2017 - 14:46
          +2

          If the property has been brokened into it in the past and the police has this record, then you will not so much be sued, but the tribunal will deem you need to improve security and you will bear the cost.

          Plus as a landlord you can use the fact you have better security than anyone else in the area and increase your rent (reasonably).

          Of course there are other things op can do, but the idea is to put all options on the table.

        • Scrooge McDuck on 16/09/2017 - 16:42
          +20

          @mbck:

          No matter how safe the property is, one should still take personal responsibility for securing such a valuable quantity of gold and cash.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/09/2017 - 21:01

          What absolute rubbish!

        • TheBilly on 16/09/2017 - 21:30

          @Drew22:

          No its not!

        • elgrande on 16/09/2017 - 23:13
          +3

          @Scrooge McDuck:

          If I had $25k in cash and gold I would be strapping that stuff to myself until I got it somewhere safe thats for sure.

        • Scrooge McDuck on 16/09/2017 - 23:17
          -1

          @elgrande:

          That's not what I meant by "personal responsibility" but OK.

        • [Deactivated] on 17/09/2017 - 16:57

          @TheBilly:

          I was replying to mbck

    • citygal on 17/09/2017 - 07:19
      +1

      If you don't feel secured and landlord does't want to do anything about security, maybe you should consider moving to somewhere else. Don't make excuses for yourself not to do anything about it.

      • [Deactivated] on 17/09/2017 - 10:34

        Yeah moving out soon

  • TheBilly on 16/09/2017 - 14:20
    +4

    Ok so previously living in a rented apartment myself, there are so many cheap security options available to you. Some are wireless and portable and can notify you via wifi, some are very simple and just make loud noise. But you need to do the research. For $20 I bought these high pitched beepers from bunnings, they come in 2 pieces that stick on a door or window with 3M tape, once somebody opens a door or window it starts making noise as the alarm and magnet get separated. Its not the best but for $20 and being so small it might just give the thief a fright and also notify a potential neighbour.

    Also regarding police, you need to understand that there is very little they are going to be able to do to return your gold. A few things you can do is keep your eyes peeled on gumtree/ebay to see if they are stupid enough to sell. Alternatively look for more evidence around the block, i.e. camera footage etc. But your chances are slim, still have a go.

    I think you need to take a step back now start focussing on reestablishing yourselves and not make stupid mistakes like this again - let this be the most exoensive lesson you will ever have.

    For your info, things you should do moving forward:

    1. Get insurance
    2. Document your assets for insurance purposes
    3. Rent a storage locker for high value items like gold
    4. Research and invest in cheap security
  • Savas on 16/09/2017 - 14:28
    +6

    Ozbargy on 28/01/2017 - 11:33
    Hi guys unable to find store in sydney.also its $8 for home delivery.
    Suggest me postcode where its still available

    can't afford $8 delivery, loses $25,000 worth of gold. this is what I don't understand about this site.

    • [Deactivated] on 16/09/2017 - 15:25
      +17

      Mate, 25k is all our savings mate we invested on gold as asset..hope u might have own house or savings more than this but u still come and check for deals and save $$?

      Think abt ur situation as well and suggest or advice..people will face similar problem once in a life time.

      Thanks again.

      • Savas on 16/09/2017 - 15:28
        +7

        I have no idea how you even got yourself together to post, you must be shattered right now. I am only a kid, not much I can do though.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/09/2017 - 15:48
          +8

          Dont buy gold. If you do put it in a (profanity) safety deposit box in the city.

      • AussieMark on 17/09/2017 - 12:57
        +1

        Guys just to clarify I am Australian but lived in Hong Kong for ten years, it is very normal for chinese and hong kong families to hold gold in their houses.

        In banks only the first 100,000 in each bank account is protected / guaranteed by the government

        but also people dont like to hold money in the bank because in certain places the government doesnt let you take money out of the country easily.

        Basically its like our grandparents in australia wanting to keep the money under their mattress as they feel safer.

        • Scrooge McDuck on 17/09/2017 - 15:32
          +1

          In banks only the first 100,000 in each bank account is protected / guaranteed by the government

          $250,000 in Australia.

        • AussieMark on 17/09/2017 - 15:38
          @Scrooge McDuck
          :

          It's 500 000 hkd. Although may have increased to 1 million now

        • fruit on 17/09/2017 - 18:16

          OP said it's 8 years worth of savings, I don't think 100/250k is going to matter.

    • [Deactivated] on 17/09/2017 - 19:09
      +2

      Think OP is trolling or sockpuppeting. Ozbargy and trinkasharma were inactive accounts until recently. Also not reported robberies on the media

  • [Deactivated] on 16/09/2017 - 15:51
    +8

    I have been robbed, prior when living in the burbs, and closer to the cbd. Police don't really care; there is nothing they can really do. This is a common occurrence to them.

    Being fair, there was little for those thieves to lose when they robbed your house. If they succeeded, they got free stuff from you; if they failed, they get free stuff from the state.

    We as a society need to stop giving people second chances. There are enough humans to go round if we do… i promise….

    • luminousfox on 17/09/2017 - 12:21
      +1

      I really dont understand the 1st worlds obsession with multiple chances, there's so many bad people in the world and our only focus is finding every way to get them back into society where they can rinse and repeat till they do something great enough to warrant the death sentence or life imprisonment.

      • Scrooge McDuck on 17/09/2017 - 15:35
        +3

        Agreed! We should ship all the petty crims off to a far away island in the sun.

        • [Deactivated] on 17/09/2017 - 15:44

          We should tax the people who care about them the least; the most so those honest cobbas who are always just in the wrong place at the wrong time can get thier go…

        • field1985 on 17/09/2017 - 16:21
          -1

          As long as we ship the anti-vaxxers, flat earthers and climate change deniers there too.

        • Krizy on 17/09/2017 - 18:14

          @eggmaster: The most disturbing thing about your post is the semicolon. Second most is everything you wrote in it.

        • BartholemewH on 17/09/2017 - 21:01

          @Krizy:
          Surely there's a missing ;)

  • Architectonic on 16/09/2017 - 16:40
    +12

    If you got robbed of gold/cash, it didn't happen by accident. The thief is someone you know.

    • whooah1979 on 16/09/2017 - 17:05
      +4

      The thief is someone you know.

      family or friends with drugs or gambling problems.

      • PVA on 16/09/2017 - 17:40
        +5

        Or just simply greedy, they don't need to have gambling or drug problems at all

        • TheCutter on 17/09/2017 - 12:57
          +1

          Check ebay for your gold for sale

  • whooah1979 on 16/09/2017 - 17:07
    +3

    Is this the way the police in this country?

    there isn't must else they can do. there is little to no physical evidence to the incident. they may even suspect that there were no gold to begin with.

    do you have images of the $25k gold bars, coins and cash?

    • Diji1 on 16/09/2017 - 17:56
      +3

      Or they suspect OP is criminal.

      • [Deactivated] on 16/09/2017 - 18:43
        -2

        Hahah..

        • [Deactivated] on 17/09/2017 - 17:47
          +3

          Yeah, that wasn't a joke. The cops probably can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to not have insurance and leave their life savings in an empty house. If they don't suspect you, they probably think what I think: You deserved to lose this money, because you were very stupid. Don't blame the police's process, blame yourself. Take it as a lesson, move on.

    • [Deactivated] on 16/09/2017 - 18:41

      Its gold ornaments ..yes we have and gave it police as well.. no gold bars.

      But all jewellery has recipepts certified hallmark kdm.22 carat.

      • xuqi on 17/09/2017 - 10:54
        +1

        Sorry to hear but, it'll almost certainly be melted down anyway if it hasn't aready been done.

        Take it as a bloody expensive lesson and learn from the experience. Gold is so easily transformed that once stolen it's near impossible to track.

  • tsunamisurfer on 16/09/2017 - 17:26
    +3

    Insurance was not necessarily the answer. Many providers will not cover cash. Furthermore, even if a specified item, I doubt they would cover $25k of gold.

    I want to give the OP a blast but the poor mofo just lost his life savings.

    OP…yes the police in Australia are useless. They don't care.

  • outlander on 16/09/2017 - 18:07
    -5

    Fingerprints aren't 'real' evidence. Its not like in the movies where they can do a search on a database, and find the guy.
    Whatever fingerprints they got, would only be useful if they had a suspect to match it to.

  • CheapSticks on 16/09/2017 - 18:43

    Sorry to hear about your loss buddy. Unfortunately, COPs wont do anything. Is they are gold coins etc pretty hard for you to find but if it is gold Jewellery you might be lucky finding out at pawn shop and may be that could be a lead for COPs - unfortunately they wont do anything.

    • [Deactivated] on 16/09/2017 - 18:52

      Tx mate. Police wrote an email back asking me to enquire in pawn shops..and i know its hard to find…

      I am glad that we r safe…and will take every one suggestions..tx

      • Third_Gear on 16/09/2017 - 20:10
        +2

        Male sure you do look. 22K isn't that common in Australia and can be easier to spot. If you do go looking at local cash converters etc don't walk in and ask oi anyone has brought something in. Check the display cases over the course of three months. If the pawn shop suspects they have something stolen they are more likely to have it melted as they would be out the cash they paid for it. The whole buy/sell industry is rife with deceit. It's how they stay in business….

        • dfaktz on 17/09/2017 - 00:11
          +1

          Ontop of this, you can also inquire about 'buying' any 22k they have, if you wanted to see stock or anything not in public view.

  • emibel19 on 16/09/2017 - 19:51

    Am I the only one wondering what "moved on PR" means in the first line of the first post?

    • whooah1979 on 16/09/2017 - 19:56
      +1

      moved on PR

      permanent resident visa migrant.

    • Scab on 17/09/2017 - 06:53
      -3

      I think it stands for People's Republic.

    • Scrooge McDuck on 17/09/2017 - 15:30

      Am I the only one wondering what "moved on PR" means in the first line of the first post?

      Yes.

  • lainey13 on 16/09/2017 - 19:51

    I've been burgled before, in an apartment. I suspect it was the neighbours who were dreadful druggies who were friends with the previous tenant. Probably had access to the key. Insist the owner change the locks as they cannot provide secure premise. Contents insurance will only cover up a certain amount of gold, definitely not 25k worth. I'm a lot more paranoid now.

  • Lil B on 16/09/2017 - 20:06
    +1

    Wow, wow — So many errors that could of been prevented very, very easily!

    I can't stress this enough, get CONTENTS INSURANCE! You might not need it right away, but trust anyone who has Insurance; When you require it, you WILL have a peace of mind!

    Does anyone get so angry when they see on the News that a House fire occurred and the owners were 'Uninsured'.. Then they expect the public to donate their money which could of easily been prevented by taking out INSURANCE.

    Take this as a Valuable lesson, OP.

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