Recently purchased a new Holden Trax for the missus, and realised that its classed as a Station Wagon under NSW RVD. Have other mates with Renault Koleos, and a Mitsubishi Outlander which are both registered as a Station Wagons. Both cars were registered by their respective dealer, and purchased at different times.
I remember seeing this post a little while back, but seeing as it's a Trax registered as a Station Wagon, it should be loading zone safe for 15 minutes?
At least the fine would be going to a good cause, might even improve the woefully underpaid Sydney Train drivers wage
WTF, did you not read the post you linked?
WTF, did you not read the post you linked?
Very insightful comment. Thanks for the report too.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/353267#comment-5482054 saw your comment, yet the OP of the other post never stated their car. My post is about mid sized SUV's specifically registered with RMS as station wagons.
Im not asking if i can park there, only to load and unload.
They didn't need to state their car? It doesn't matter if you are a wagon.
well, your earlier comment was actually helpful.
Loading zone
Only drivers of vehicles principally constructed for carrying goods may park their vehicle in a loading zone.
These vehicles may stop for up to 30 minutes if they are being loaded or unloaded.
A station wagon or a three-wheeled goods vehicle may stop for up to 15 minutes.
If you are driving any other sort of vehicle you may only stop to pick up or set down passengers at the kerb.
Hours of operation may apply to some signs. This means restrictions apply for those times only.
rms
Looks like I can
@chumlol: No you can't. You have to read the 3rd paragraph in conjunction with the first 2.
The 3rd paragraph is expanding on the 1st paragraph…
You can't just pick only paragraph 3…
Does this summary help?
"Only drivers of station wagons principally constructed for carrying goods may park their vehicle in a loading zone.
These vehicles may stop for up to 15 minutes if they are being loaded or unloaded."
@chumlol: Frankly what you think and what the RMS will think are two different points.
Dont argue with John, he's pointing out things you need to know.
If you really want to make sure go to your local RMS, and ask them.
Here is some reading that may help or confuse
https://www.mynrma.com.au/cars-and-driving/driver-training-a…
Plus you confusing things by saying you dont want to park only load and unload. Any car can drop off and pick up in a loading zone, but that's only passengers, that part you know.
Also the point I think you have to consider, is what the enforcement officer knows. In the past you had a rego sticker on the car, that gave what code it was registered under. Now does the officer have data on what code the car is registered with? I dont know. And maybe different officers have different access to this data.
So the safest way to find your answer is to talk with the RMS
@John Kimble: Im not sure if you are disputing that Mid-sized SUV's are not station wagons, and therefore cannot use a loading zone for its intended purpose?
RMS vehicle Shape Codes page 4 has a Mitsubishi Outlander tagged as a wagon.
@chumlol: I'm saying it is pretty much irrelevant based on this: Only drivers of vehicles principally constructed for carrying goods may park their vehicle in a loading zone.
But whatever, go park in a loading zone and see how you go…eventually you'll get a ticket.
@John Kimble: eh, I'll keep you posted.
Ill be sure to keep this in my window anyway if I need to use one.
That's not a valid parking permit as issued by the rms. the rangers may just issue penalty notices to teach the owner of the vehicle a lesson.
@John Kimble:
I don't think your understanding is correct. My interpretation is any vehicle can park to drop off passengers, a station wagon has 15 minutes to unload goods, a specifically designed vehicle gets 30 minutes.
a station wagon has 15 minutes
It must also meet the requirements of section 179, 2, c, ii.
https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/regulation/2014/75…
(ii) in the case of a station wagon or a motor bike that has 3 wheels and is constructed principally for the conveyance of goods—the period during which goods are being dropped off or picked up from the vehicle or 15 minutes (whichever is the lesser), or
@whooah1979:
hmm okay.
I'm never delivering food to a city office building again (in my sedan) now that I think about it.
You can use the loading zone … if you are loading or unloading.
Hey Chumlol, it's the real Chum here.
My condolences on buying a Trax
Hahaha
I realised after I changed it you were an active user here. I have to wait until april until I can change it again.
The missus is happy with the trax, and it came with a 7yr warranty which is longer than I plan on keeping it, so its not too bad.
Only joking with you Chum. Trax is a decent car and no better or worse than most others in it's class
All good mate.
Although was serious about the name change though, I thought it would be somewhat unique when I did it, I have another lined up for when april rolls around :) This one is definitely not taken/similar to an existing user. (as of yet)
This has been discussed so many times.
i feel sorry for you buying a TRax.
but i wont feel sorry for you if you get a fine, because you make another post
"i parked in a loading zone but i own a holden trax"
Well now the Mod-Edited title makes me an (profanity). I was generalising about mid-sized SUV's that are registered as station wagons. Mods, just close the post. I have the answer I needed.
I wouldn’t be surprised if you didn’t get a ticket in a sedan, but we’re loading and unloading and for less than 15min. It would, of course, depend on the particular parking officer. I’d imagine they are more interested in the loading bit than the type of vehicle.
Could depend if they've made their quota that day/week/month?
Is the vehicle registered as a commercial vehicle, if not it doesn't matter what type of vehicle it is, you can't used loading zones.
Is the vehicle registered as a commercial vehicle, if not it doesn't matter what type of vehicle it is, you can't used loading zones.
That isn't a requirement for section 179.
https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/regulation/2014/75…
Oops, I did not realise the legislation had changed. I apologise for the misleading infromation.
As other have noted, the point is redundant because all SUVs have no sedan equivalent.
No its not allowed, regardless if the shape code.
It needs to meet 5 criteria: off the top of my head.
A station wagon is a vehicle having all of the following features.
Has a sedan equivalent. That is, the body forward of the front seat or seats and the greater part of the mechanical equipment, is the same or substantially the same as in a
car of the same make and model and
Has a flat roof extending at the same height to the rear of the vehicle. That is, the body is carried without significant
reduction in height from the front seat or seats to the rear of the vehicle and
Has an entrance at the rear suitable for the loading and unloading goods and
Is manufactured with a rear seat or seats which can be folded or removed readily to provide additional floor space for the carriage of goods and
That when the seat or seats immediately to the rear of the front seat or seats are in position for passengers, has a substantial space for the carriage of goods in proportion to the overall size of the interior of the vehicle.
If this were the case, then most SUVs wouldn’t be registered as station wagons, based on the ‘sedan equivalent’ but, but they are (at least in nsw) registered as station wagons. So somehow they meet the definition of station wagon, and yet they don’t.
Edit: our 4wd, based on a ute, not sedan is registered as a station wagon.
what they are registeted as or for is irelevant for loading zones.
How do you work that out?
In NSW, the legislation says;
(ii) a station wagon or a motor bike that has 3 wheels and is constructed principally for the conveyance of goods
If your SUV is decked out to carry goods (ie, back seats down/gone, full of cargo), then yes. If it’s your family car, then NO.
Oh, and you get 15 min in a stationwagon, not the 30 mins…
(ii) in the case of a station wagon or a motor bike that has 3 wheels and is constructed principally for the conveyance of goods—the period during which goods are being dropped off or picked up from the vehicle or 15 minutes (whichever is the lesser)
Source; I’m a real courier driver and butthole SUV owners parking in loading zones is the bane of my existence… It’s not an “SUV parking” zone… FFS…
butthole SUV owners parking in loading zones
did you look in the back windows to see if they had removed the rear seats and stuffed with soccer balls?
Who only needs to park for 15 minutes anyway…why not go find a legitimate 1 hour or more spot?
I read that a bit different to you.
To me Part ii) says a station wagon, or a 3 wheeled motorbike constructed for carrying goods. The definition for a station wagon is in another part of the legislation and doesn’t have a special exception here. If it did it would state something more like “a station wagon constructed for carrying goods or a motorbike for carrying goods”
The definition covers that a station wagon is constructed for carry goods, it doesn’t need to be repeated in part ii. The motorbike does need clarification as the definition does not cover carrying goods.
We could always use another stadium or some road upgrades.