As far as I know any big car (non-sedan) can park in loading zone for 15 mins, no? And even if you are talking about the technicality of "loading", how could the ranger know if the driver wasn't delivering parcels? How could they book you just by seeing you parked an SUV in a loading zone? Penalty is $183!!! Definitely going to ask for review!
Got Booked Parking SUV in a Loading Zone!
justwii on 02/01/2018 - 19:02
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Your idea of a loading zone is way off.
http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104…
I also suggest a good read of the road rules to ensure that you are aware of the other responsibilities a driver has and rules that need to be followed.
You wouldn't want to also get pinged like this person https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/352516
LOL
@justwii: What contradiction. It is clear you may park there when loading or unloading only. A comercial vehicle may do so for up to 30 minutes, as station wagon may do so for 15 minutes. As you were not loading or unloading (That will be obvious by you not actualy loading or unloading, and you admitted your ignorance of the law, by stating you are allowed to park there. You are in the wrong and you just cop the fine and move on. Lesson Learnt.
do you have one with pop up pictures? or colouring in?
Page 142, if anyones looking
@hashtagbargain:
But it's so ambiguous…Only drivers of vehicles principally constructed for carrying goods may park their vehicle in a loading zone. These vehicles may stop for up to 30 minutes if they are being loaded or unloaded.
What does it mean where it says "being loaded or unloaded?" Does that mean I can just park there because I think the rules shouldn't apply to me? That's my understanding.
you should not be driving if you think a loading zone is for parking when convenient, as long as you own an SUV..
Hard enough as it is for contractors/truck drivers etc who only need to drop off heavy goods - let along having to deal with people wasting the few designated loading zones. I've been there and it's not fun having to walk a few blocks with damn heavy boxes
Thanks for the link. Didn't know anyone can drop off / pickup passengers at a loading zone.
Well, they are considered “goods”
Good, ask for a review. I hope it's a waste of your time and you get booked. You knew what the conditions of a "Loading Zone" were when you parked there, don't (profanity) cry "foul" just because you got caught. (profanity).
Sigh…just because you have a wagon or SUV doesn't mean you can park in a loading zone…
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/park…
Loading zone
Only drivers of vehicles principally constructed for carrying goods may park their vehicle in a loading zone.These vehicles may stop for up to 30 minutes if they are being loaded or unloaded.
A station wagon or a three-wheeled goods vehicle may stop for up to 15 minutes.
If you are driving any other sort of vehicle you may only stop to pick up or set down passengers at the kerb.
Hours of operation may apply to some signs. This means restrictions apply for those times only.
Technically that could be read as "a 'station wagon' or a 'three wheeled goods vehicle' may stop for 15 mins. Implying that any station wagon can park for 15 minutes. But I think the intent is a 'station wagon goods vehicle' or a 'three wheeled goods vehicle' may stop for 15 minutes.
Reminds me of this: the case of the $13 million oxford comma@NigelTufnel: But the first sentence still applies as that sentence does not specify any exemptions.
Only drivers of vehicles principally constructed for carrying goods may park their vehicle in a loading zone.
Therefore, even if that interpretation is valid, the station wagon must still be a vehicle principally constructed for carrying goods.
The sentence you've quoted simply limits the duration for which a station wagon type vehicle may stop to 15 minutes. In no way does this sentence exempt the station wagon from the first rule.
Entitled much?
Just cause you own a wagon, doesn’t mean you get to park in loading zones. As a courier/delivery driver/truck driver, (profanity) people who do this…
Kinda hope this becomes the next OzB meme, along with entitled maccas coffee woman…
Link to coffee woman?
@Diji1: lolololol….
Wrong coffee woman Diji… But thanks for playing… look up “most downvoted comment” on OzB… you will find her there.
Or see John Kimble’s comment just above…
@science-teacher:
Thanks for asking for the link as I was also interested.What's also funny is that halfway down the first page I saw a comment from you xD
There would be no room in loading bays if every entitled (profanity) with an SUV was allowed to park there.
The principle words in the rule is.. Whilst loading or unloading your vehicle. Your are not allowed to park there. You are allowed to stop there and take stuff out or put stuff in your vehicle.
If you cant see the difference in that statement, then you can look forward to many many other fines in your future.
@justwii:
@blawler05:
Not quite right. Per the guide linked above by John Kimble, you may only park in a loading zone if you are driving a:…vehicle principally constructed for carrying goods…
In other words if you're in a delivery truck / van / wagon (with commercial registration/used for business) / three-wheeled delivery whatever / other commercial vehicle then you can park there (for the purpose of loading/unloading goods). Your regular old wagon and SUV are principally designed for carrying passengers (not goods), therefore you cannot park there (even if loading/unloading something, although if you're actually loading/unloading something I expect most parking inspectors would cut you some slack).
No. SUV isn't on the list allowed vehicles…read the road rules.
Q. As far as I know any big car (non-sedan) can park in loading zone for 15 mins?
A. No.
As far as I know any big car (non-sedan) can park in loading zone for 15 mins, no?
Congratulations. This level of stupidity is now called the "justwii level of stupid"
and even if you are talking about the technicality of "loading", how could the ranger know if the driver wasn't delivering parcels?
Probably by the fact that you aren't driving a marked van or a car labelled "courier"
Penalty is $183!!! Definitely going to ask for review!
Good. If they could double the fine, they should. Fortunately for you you'll still be paying the fine albeit with some time and effort wasted
Commercial vehicles only. Utes/Vans/Trucks etc.
Can confirm this is the case also in QLD. or you can pay ~$500/year to get a sticker that goes on a regular vehicle to allow use of loading zones.
As far as I know any big car (non-sedan) can park in loading zone for 15 mins, no?
no
Hahahaha
This is ozBargain not ozWhinge. Please take this post to facebook for sympathy or ridicule.
It's comments like this that make me wish I could vote more than once… :-)
Be that as it may, you weren't loading/unloading were you? It isn't a 15min parking space, it is a loading zone.
are you reading any of the replies?
try the second one……………. that answers any questions you have
did you read the road rule?
the bit where it says….."and is constructed principally for the conveyance of goods"
you can't just pick and choose which bits apply to you
[@oscargamer](/comment/5482309/went and read it, for my benefit. The definition of a station wagon referred to a different regulation, but my read is that a station wagon is principally designed for conveyance of goods. Folding seats to increase cargo space, roofline that extends to the tail, rear opening suitable for loading goods, space in the cabin behind the rear seats for goods/cargo.
So it hinges on whether the perking was really for loading or not. May park for the time it takes to load unload or 15mins which ever is the lesser.
A driver who is permitted to stop in a loading zone must not stay continuously in the zone for longer than:…
(iii) in the case of a motor vehicle constructed principally for the conveyance of goods (other than a vehicle referred to in subparagraph (ii))—the period during which goods are being dropped off or picked up from the vehicle or 30 minutes (whichever is the lesser).
The vehicle wasn't being used to drop off or pickup goods, so he's not entitled to be there. I say he challenges it just the same and they bill him for wasting the court's time, too.
@Euphemistic: Exactly. I believe there is no doubt an SUV is of station wagon type as it is clearly written in the rego. So there is no point to argue that anymore.
The first link Olokun provided said station wagon is allowed to park 179.1.c.ii and for 15min 179.2.c.ii. But the second link has an additional sentence saying "vehicles principally constructed for carrying goods". Surely contradicting.
Did you walk out of your car with parcels of any form?
Do you really think it would be difficult for them to show CCTV footage of you doing no loading/unloading except maybe putting your shopping in the car?
If you think you stand a chance of winning against CCTV footage then by all means go and contest it…
@justwii: don’t bother trying to get off on a technicality, lawyers have tried that for years and that is why the rules are so long winded.
If you were loading/unloading by my read you weee parked legally in your station wagon. If you weren’t, take it as a life lesson - loading zones are for … wait for it …. loading. And don’t try to make up a story about delivering something, the ranger probably saw you pull up.
No. I've known people who used a private vehicle and unloaded for a charity organisation who got fined and were not let off even with proof they were unloading. It was a private vehicle. End of.
Don't be stupid. Take it to court then come whinge here again when the fine gets increased.
I've made a genuine effort to assist here OP but I don't live in NSW so this may not be 100% accurate. I think the short answer is that you may have trouble contesting the fine. These links indicate that only a station wagon, and not an SUV can park for 15 minutes in a loading zone …
https://www.mynrma.com.au/cars-and-driving/driver-training-a…
https://www.gopeople.com.au/blog/park-loading-zones/
If you scroll to near the bottom in this link it states you may be allowed to stop in a loading zone to pick or drop people off, if you were doing this the maybe you could contest the fine based on this argument.
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/park…
Interestingly enough, I also found this article which is a couple of years old
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/south-west/parki…
Thanks. See I wasn't alone there (ref. to your dailytelegraph passage)
Interesting you chose to notice the 1 link which sides with you (from a newspaper no less), rather than the 3 links which go against you…
wise words AND he has $500000 in his bank account to help ease the payment of this hefty fine!
Yeah and give us road rules with less confusion.
If that's confusing then how on earth do you manage to drive? I mean there's at least 2 pedals, sometimes 3…!
You said you'd struggle to use a small car without blind spot monitors… How do you even manage with an SUV? Is that why you parked in a loading zone, because a normal car bay is too difficult?
Driving is a privilege, not a right. The implication of owning a driver's licence is that you've passed the online quiz and have thus, supposedly brushed up on all relevant road rules and cleared up any confusion you might have had.
It's not confusing. You are just stupid. I don't think that's a moral failing though, it is merely the genetic lottery. I pity you.
If I could give you advice it would be to rely less on your own beliefs. That's actually good advice for everyone though.
road rules with less confusion
"Loading Zone only to be used for (un-)loading" is too confusing to you?
Because you thought it was "Loading zone to be used for loading and SUV parking", which you find less confusing?
Like all are saying, you weren't using the loading zone for loading so pay the fine. A SUV doesn't give you rights to do what you want.
Silliest post of the year so far!
And we’re only 2 days in…
This
A few years ago I was unloading some stock in a loading zone from a SUV (Nissan Pajero), walked 2m from my car and a parking ranger stopped me tell me I can't park in the loading zone. I told her I'm using the spot for clearly loading purposes (large box in hand) and she said only vans, utes and trucks can use the loading zone, regardless of what you're doing. Needless to say I was fuming and had to move my car … and I was only 15m from the shop I needed to go to!
(Nissan Pajero)
The Mitsubishi Patrol is a much better SUV for that kind of work… ;)
Have now changed to a van looking vehicle to park in loading zones without doing any loading :)
He's referring to the fact that a Nissan Pajero doesn't exist ;-)
@sahh: not to mention that neither Patrol nor Pajero are SUVs. They are 4wds - the originals before they started making soft 4wds and had to call them something else to stop people getting stuck in the bush.
LOOLLL …. I genuinely loled, lost my shit.
The act of loading/unloading is not relevant. Source: Witnesed many courier/truck drivers parked up in loading zones eating their lunch/on-phone/sleeping. I dont expect they get ticketed in such scenarios. (they might get honked by other drivers trying to work)
Red lights are also irrelevant.
Source: Witnessed many drivers running red lights. Many of them have got away without a fine. (They might get honked by other drivers who have had to wait at the res light)
OP is just here to ask for help on how to pay the fine.
Pay it with iTunes gift cards. The ATO gave me a discount when I paid them using this method.
Same here. I also got the cards at a discount as well. Double win.
Can you claim cashback rewards if you do that?
You can, but then you will have to declare it as income and pay the tax on that to the ATO. Recursive nightmare.
As far as I know any big car (non-sedan) can park in loading zone for 15 mins, no?
Correct, no is the right answer. Yout SUV can't be parked in a loading bay as its 'big'. Its not 'big car' parking bay now is it!
If (when) you lose the appeal, can you please cut up your licence? You remind me of those drivers that come here and argue they shouldn't have got a fine because the road was clear and they should be allowed to hog the right lane in a 100 zone.
Review takes time. Whats your stake in this if I win?
Lose hope in humanity
OP did you get your licence out of a cereal box?
I lose faith in humanity everytime I hear one of these stories.
I lose faith in humanity everytime I hear one of these stories.
Don't hang around the forums too much or you'll have zero faith in humanity…
Haha I try not to, but the stupidity is overwhelming, it draws you in!
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Tell me were you thinking SUV cannot park or even stop in loading zone before reading this post and the links?
No. I look at SUVs as primarily school-run vehicles, or for the more professional people, off-road driving.
I've never thought of an SUV as a goods-carrying vehicle that is allowed to use a loading zone (whether or not they're loading/unloading goods or not).
I only think of loading zones being used by vans, trucks, utes, etc, for the sole purpose of getting goods into/out of them.I don't know where you read that SUVs can use loading zones, but I'm glad that I don't subscribe to that website/paper/magazine.
Well then now you know ANY car can use loading zone to pickup and drop off at least :)
SUVs are the new Sedans for Soccer mums
@justwii: but keep in mind that you can’t wait for a passenger in the space. You stop, they get out/in and you move off. Not stop, let them out and wait for them to come back from the atm to get back in again.
@justwii:
…depending on what state/territory you're in.
E.g. the ACT road rules state:A motorist must not stop in a loading zone unless he or she is driving a vehicle that is primarily designed
for carrying goods and is using the loading zone for the sole purpose of loading or unloading goodsSource: https://www.accesscanberra.act.gov.au/ci/fattach/get/97634/1…
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we all know it's for businesses to unload their goods. dont play dumb.