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I'm border line , so once a year I go in, get the sweet drink and they take 3 blood samples over 2 hours …..
problem is diabetes isn't like cancer where you have tumour or you dont', it creeps up, and for some people the potential is diagonised and hopefully lifestyle changes occur, for others it's diagnosed late.
A very expensive disease for society not just from the use of medical resources, but also impact from work productivity.
You can't be borderline T1, you either are or you aren't.
If you are borderline T2, cut out carbohydrates and you won't have a problem. 18 minutes of your time could change your life: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=da1vvigy5tQ
Well said Baycie
That woman in the video will appear to be right over the short-term, but over the longer-term anyone following her high-fat approach risks other serious health problems such as cardiovascular disease.
The reply from Richard Jackson (see comments to the video) is correct. I have enough friends who went full Keto, were amazed by the results, became mouthpieces for the low carb high-fat approach within their circle of friends, but within 3 years had to quit because their blood work was signalling major problems ahead.
Our family has eaten low carb, healthy fats for many, many years now. No problem at all, couldn't be healthier. Nothing wrong with our bloods either.
Those with T2 could just continue following the current medical advice of eating a high carb, low fat diet. They can continue, getting sicker and fatter and taking medication or they can try something different and let the results speak for themselves.
If you friend had bad blood work, they weren't doing something right. Eating meat and vegetables doesn't cause problems.
It’s not just one friend.
Anyway, it’s a lot more complicated than what it’s made out to be in that video.
There is also the state of one’s gut microbiome to consider, for example.
I was once overweight and not so well from years of eating junk food, dropped the weight quickly with a
low carb diet and fasting, and for many years now, after getting my gut health back, I’m consuming meat maybe once a month and I stay slim no matter how much oats I have in the morning or potatoes I have at night. My cholesterol is very low, my blood pressure is often below 100 which I think is too low, and my blood sugar is in the 5’s. I’m sure if I were to follow a diet as proposed in that video I’d have heart disease later in life as did my father, which is another factor at play, that being genes.
Many people are also genetically predisposed to bowel cancer when they have a meat-heavy diet, it’s why you rarely hear of bowel cancer amongst vegetarians. Colin Campbell’s, The China Study, would be a useful resource on that. Colin Campbell and Caldwell Esselstyn are only a couple of the many plant-based advocates that are healthy in their 80’s. It’ll be interesting to see how many of those advocating a Ketogenic approach actually make it to their 80’s or even remain healthy in old age.
To be fair, many plant-based eaters won’t make it either because they fall for all the clever marketing out there and much of what they consume is rubbish.
Instead of the woman in the video, you’d be better off listening to a true pioneer and genius like Nathan Pritikin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOj4rzSkqok
@baycie:
@baycie:
Diabetes is genetic also.
(But Diet is not a necessary factor. Carbohydrates are limited in diets for Diabetics.)
Type 2 diabetes develops when the body becomes resistant to insulin or when the pancreas stops producing enough insulin. Exactly why this happens is unknown, although genetics and environmental factors, such as excess weight and inactivity, seem to be contributing factors.
Type 2 diabetes - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic
Best not to give incorrect medical advice & seek medical advice from a GP.
Do some real research next time!
cut out carbohydrates and you won't have a problem
That's very poor & incorrect advice on a serious medical condition.
Seek medical advice rather than relying on gossip.
18 minutes of your time could change your life:
Well it couldn't kill you… Or could it?
Always be wary of amazing claims!
So (according to the New York Times) an Oesteopath (along with Chiropractors - called Doctor in the USA) sets up a weight loss clinic. Then spruiks it's benefits for her apparent gain like many others have done.
She claims it reverses Type2 diabetes as a selling point… based on a short term study & small sample size. Reversing a medical condition that is considered irreversible needs proper long term studies. People promoting causes they believe in & benefit from have been a problem in scientific research.
And people want to believe😱 Good enough reason to be cautious. Great if proven correct though.
Other short term studies of carbohydrate restricted diets had mixed results. There are few long term studies. That's similar for all diet research. So the study may not be replicable - a cornerstone of research
Carbohydrate is replaced by fat of same caloric content, which reveiwers have pointed out can lead to other serious health problems such as coronary disease. Since that is the main killer of diabetics, the hard work in changing diet may be of litte benefit! This is a common problem in diet issues - solving one problem creates others.
Then there is the issue of people sticking to such a diet. Highly restricting carbohydrate is difficult. Most would not want such a diet, so compliance is a major issue. Often that is why such extreme diets fail to be accepted and promoted by Government & Diabetes organisations. It's too hard to sell to people.
But, unsolicited recommendation of such a potentially unproven & harmful diet to garage sale, without knowing the actual medical problem is a serious matter. Good intentions can have unintended bad consequences.
So be cautious in what is recommended to you & seek advice.
The current diet recommended to Diabetics is to restrict carbohydrate, especially those quickly converted to sugars. The LOW-GI diet is suggested.
So carbohydrate restricted diets are normal for diabetics, but not to the extent proposed by the promoter. Both concentrate on weight loss & decreasing or slowing the availability of sugar. Of course not all diabetics are obese!
I personally have had a restricted carbohydrate diet for decades. I almost never eat breads, pizza, pasta, potato, etc. Everything is portion controlled. I go to bed hungry as I learnt from elderly Okinawans. But have recently been diagnosed with Diabetes. My specialist explains I lost the genetic lottery😞
So like all diets, it may not work for you & there is little evidence it does reverse Type 2 diabetes.
I’m not sure why you needed a carbohydrate-restricted diet for decades before you were even diagnosed with diabetes.
Instead of Type II, you may have LADA (latent autoimmune diabetes of adults) which is often misdiagnosed by doctors:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_autoimmune_diabetes_of_…
You would not be able tackle it with diet alone from my understanding, so I can understand your frustration.
Whether one has diabetes or not though, the most intelligent diet I’ve come across is, IMO, Fuhrman’s nutrient dense approach.
I eat too many potatoes and grains to honestly say I follow it strictly, but I follow it to a large extent and have experienced a much greater sense of well being:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhr-7VLkBy8&t=3008s
Good luck
@bgazer:
Giving unsolicited advice on medical issues you don't understand again. And after I warned how dangerous than can be. Up there with religious zealots who tell sick people to give up their treatment & just believe in what they believe. There should be a special place in Hell for those people.
"so I can understand your frustration" - no you absolutely don't!
The only thing I am frustrated about is your unsolicited and unwanted advice on medical matters. I was warning others of the danger of that as each person's case is very different. But you respond with more advice, and a potential (incorrect) diagnosis!!
You just don't f#!#ing understand! But say you do - a very dangerous combination.
Have hidden your useless and potentially dangerous comments. Will seek advice from a range of trained and qualified professionals I trust and have worked with for years.
@Infidel:
It’s a given, that anyone with diabetes would have found out about it from their doctor, so there’s no suggestion of self-diagnosis here.
I’ve also had more than my fair share of health problems, which I may add were potentially far greater than diabetes, and from my experience, the doctors I dealt with were more than useless. I’ll leave it at that.
@bgazer:
Unhid your comment to read your more measured response. Sorry about your health problems. Receiving the correct diagnosis & treatment is often difficult, especially in complex medical cases.
My comments were more about offering advice beyond your expertise or experience, to others who may have very different health conditions to yours. I feel strongly about this, so may unfortunately come across as a personal attack.
Diabetes (as in your & my case) is rarely a stand-alone diagnosis. It often accompanies preceding & ongoing health issues. So the totality of the health of a person needs to be considered before an appropriate response can be given. That's a hard ask given the current health system.
Medicine is divided into specialties. There is a strength in that concentrating thinking into a narrow field. But a great risk that other diagnosis or treatment may be missed.
So the individual presenting may not fit the normal approach, especially in complex overlapping medical issues. Given pressures on doctors - the usual approach is usually given. I battle with that regularly.
That's where seeking other reputable opinions & even Dr Google help. But seeking advice online is difficult, if you want information that is suited to your individual case. Choosing which are reputable sites is important. (University of Tasmania offered a free online health tech unit which started with this training. It had popular deals here - for free Fitbit! I learnt from it.)
I am trained in research design. My science degree concentrated on reading scientific papers, analysing data, looking for poor design, bias, and importantly conclusions that go beyond the research finding.
My own research design & experiments were accompanied by a detailed research manual, to attempt to remove experimenter bias & other issues. It's a complex area, even for scientists. Is what you think you are measuring what is actually what is being measured? That is the VALIDITY of the research - useless unless valid & a good starting point when examining research for major problems.
Most people would think that was simple & obvious to see & avoid - not so. That's one of the reasons why reputable research papers are peer reviewed by reputable & experienced others in the field - to give objective input. Anyone can conduct research & publish - but it is the strength & reputation of the review process by reputable journals which helps determine if it can be trusted.
In a recent medical case about to be filed for possible misconduct, I found a specialist was assessing the cognitive capacity of an elderly patient to make decisions. I am trained in conducting those tests & importantly the conditions to be aware of for validity of that test. The patient normally wore 2 hearing aids. After a long stay in hospital, those were lost. The standard test requires simple questions to be asked, the response noted, & assessed. As the patient understood a response was required, he answered "Yes".
He failed the test & the hospital determined they were best to make all decisions for the patient.
What the specialist claimed they were measuring - cognitive ability through understanding of their questions put to the patient, was not what was being measured - the ability to hear the questions. I complained the test was not VALID in that case. The doctor was not interested, as had got the result they wanted - to take medical control of the patient & use it as evidence to take financial management away from the family. It made their job easier, but was so wrong!
I worked with a team conducting computer statistical analysis on a research paper in education, only to miss the obvious - the researcher was biased towards an outcome I also liked. I only realised that by walking out of the lab, taking a long walk in the local forest & finally dropping my own bias. The rest of the team thought I had lost the plot (findings were to be presented the next day), but we'd lost objectivity. When I returned after my 'eureka moment', explained it, they all thought differently! It's often hard to see flaws when you like the (potentially flawed) outcome. People who want to prove or promote their pet areas generally make poor researchers. But detecting that generally takes some training.
So as I previously commented about the link you provided, the research design has been questioned & the conclusion drawn from that limited research can not support a major claim of "Reversing Type 2 diabetes". Only long term studies could prove that for certain. Unfortunately previous studies dont support that outcome. In my experience, I would be suspicious of bias & research design in the study that forms the basis of the claim.
My involvement in studying health research papers, was when reviewing & summarising those for a Holistic Doctor (looking beyond the limitation of 1 discipline) specialising in sports medicine & preventative health. In return, we implemented over time a customised diet that suited me (low carb - mainly only certain veggies & no potato or sweet potato, no bread, etc). I stuck with that diet for years. It was designed to maintain optimal weight (I was only 58kg as a strict vegetarian, up from 42kg after an overseas trip - officially underweight for a male). But stresses of life led me to justify occasional, then more regular additions of chocolate & ice cream. Those are now removed, and weight is quickly normalising.
So I was diagnosed with Diabetes after slightly falling off my strict low carb diet! But the very bland diet is hard to maintain long term. I have a specialist to monitor any problems caused by diet & other health issues. She diagnosed diabetes last year. Specialist & GP are now very pleased as lost 8kg (under medical supervision, down from 100kg) this year after a health scare. Now officially not in diabetic range. Tightened my belt 1 hole since my first comment here!
So a low carb diet may be more useful than I suggested (at least in my unscientific study of 1)😀
It's just every case is different. What may work in a study (with a small number of people who may have very different concurrent health conditions to you or me) may not have a chance of working for other people.
So offering advice (well meant in your case) may result in inappropriate treatment in the perfectly normal hope that it might work. But, sometimes those offering advice may be avoiding taking the same advice themselves…
Always best to seek advice from multiple reliable sources, keep an open mind & ask how relevant is the information in your case.
And don't go beyond the data into wishful thinking. Too many people online (& other places) push ideas or products of little use in other people's cases.
It is often put that anyone who has found something that they believe changed them, are the biggest promoters of it. Like smokers who have had the strength & support to give up smoking tell smokers what they should already know. It's normal but may be inappropriate, especially where it has the potential to harm others.
Best of good health👍
That video’s title is not my doing; if I had posted it on YouTube I would have given it a different title.
My claims on Fuhrman’s approach were merely that such a low glycemic, nutritious approach is IMO intelligent, and I also feel a lot better on a nutrient-dense diet. I didn't say anything else but that. I never said that it cured diabetes. I do, however, have one friend who reversed his type two diabetes and I have many other friends who were borderline and came back to a normal range through diet and exercise. However, I personally question the long-term effects of a high-fat diet when it comes to heart health.
There was never any suggestion that anyone should self-diagnose since one clearly needs a doctor to confirm the condition, and in the case of LADA, the doctor would have to be exceptionally good to diagnose and treat the condition seeing that it’s widely misdiagnosed.
Over the years I have seen enough people sent to an early grave by their doctors and I also have a few friends who were sent home to die by their so-called specialists, but those friends are still with me here today in good health years later. This is not a forum for such discussion, however, so I left that out.
I am interested and would like to learn from the experiences of others, which is why I replied to your post after I came across it yesterday. I would not have replied had you not mentioned your own health problems as I avoid people with anger issues - they not only hurt themselves but also poison those around them. Looks like I misread you on that though.
Thanks for replying - it’s good to read that you are doing better.
@bgazer:
I just consider giving unsolicited medical & dietary advice very unwise & potentially dangerous.
There is a world of difference between sharing your experience (supportive, open, helpful - what worked or didn't in your particular situation) & giving advice which was not asked for (directing others to take a certain action - which could be harmful in their situation) like "If you are borderline T2, cut out carbohydrates and you won't have a problem.". That can't be substantiated, & may not work for the person you directed the advice to. As medical conditions like this may coexist with other serious medical issues, solving one may result in major issues for other problems! That statement was what I complained about originally.
Being supportive can get past resistance to change, where directing a change (which is the other persons decision) is usually not helpful.That's a common failing of medical people! It may also earn you a response like mine😀
I think you are trying to be helpful, & have experiences worth sharing, otherwise I would have just negged & moved on. Simply wording your comments as a personal experience (in my case I found…) or suggestion (you could try…) may receive a different response.
In medical issues, the solution is quite often complex to find. Sometimes there is no solution. Each case is different.
Discussion is best kept to specialist forums on medical issues, rather than in deals to save money.
The Glucose Tolerance Test you describe is useful to see glucose levels over a few hours for Hypoglycemia etc - which is not diabetes.
sometimes hypoglycemia can be a precursor to Type 2 diabetes, although it may take years and years to develop (and for some people, it never does turn into diabetes).
Meters give current glucose levels rather than give an indication of diabetes.
The HbA1c blood test is the current best measure of Glucose over many months from 1 test.
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