Would this Count as speed trap? Canterbury Road, Box Hill South, VIC

Entropy Sky on 10/06/2018 - 18:43
Last edited 10/06/2018 - 23:13 by 1 other user

Was on the way back from Box Hill, going through Canterbury Road.
I noticed the speed limit changed from 60kmh to 40 kmh meters before the Canterbury Road and Elgar Road intersection. Where it has just newly installed Speed camera and red light camera.

After going past the intersection, the speed limit changed back to 60kmh, would this count as speed trap?

https://youtu.be/8uGDNJ-HFM8

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Comments

  • oscargamer on 10/06/2018 - 18:45
    +1

    What's a speed trap?

    Do you mean a place where there is a perfectly legal, posted and applicable speed sign and then a speed camera ?

    What will those bastards think of next?

    • Entropy Sky on 10/06/2018 - 18:55
      +2

      You make me think I got the meaning of speed trap wrong.

      I thought it means to deliberately create an area where drivers would be caught speeding.

      • chumlee on 10/06/2018 - 18:59
        -3

        How can they deliberatly make you speed?

        • Entropy Sky on 10/06/2018 - 19:01
          +4

          By reducing the speed limit meters before a speed camera.
          In this case, hard braking would be required to reduce to 40kmh.

        • chumlee on 10/06/2018 - 19:02
          -3

          @Entropy Sky: were there roadworks or a shopping strip?

        • Entropy Sky on 10/06/2018 - 19:13

          @chumlee:
          Nope, canterbury road have 80kmh, 70kmh and 60kmh zones.

          Only this short part is newly 40kmh.

        • oscargamer on 10/06/2018 - 19:15

          @Entropy Sky:

          Hard braking if you aren't watching what you are doing.

          And it's spelt metres……..here in Australia

        • Entropy Sky on 10/06/2018 - 19:19

          @oscargamer:
          The blue car next to me also braked hard.

          We can see it, but the buffer between sign and speed camera will make people brake hard to avoid snapped.

        • Ace Ventura on 10/06/2018 - 20:04
          +1

          @Entropy Sky:
          How do you reduce to the speed limit at a change that doesn't have a camera? No different. You should start your braking before reaching the sign post.

        • OBEY YOUR MASTERS on 11/06/2018 - 07:56
          +3

          @Entropy Sky:

          Reducing the speed limit AND putting in speed cameras? Surely not! The government would never do such a thing to generate revenue… Well yes they probably would.

        • terrys on 11/06/2018 - 11:26

          @Entropy Sky:

          A "Speed trap" is normally one where their is little need, around a bend and on a downhill section. In this case, it looks like there has been a safety need owing to prangs caused by people who object to letting the forward left-hand car in at a merge lane further along.

          I saw a web-cam example of such a prat just a few minutes ago..

      • SlickMick on 11/06/2018 - 09:13
        +3

        I don't know whether I'm going to get educated here, but my understanding is yes, it's probably what is commonly known as a speed trap, but speed traps don't fall under "police entrapment" in the legal sense.

        They say they put speed cameras where accidents are likely. Amazingly this is most usually at bottom of hills, or at an unwarranted speed limit decrease etc, hence why they're referred to as traps.

  • nocure on 10/06/2018 - 18:53
    -2

    Clearly signed at 40, no trap

    • Entropy Sky on 10/06/2018 - 18:57

      Ok, only hard braking required to reduce to 40kmh before camera snaps.

      • oscargamer on 10/06/2018 - 19:15
        +4

        If you are watching the end of your bonnet maybe. How about using your eyes to look further ahead?

        • terrys on 11/06/2018 - 11:28

          If I was the other driver at the end, the occasional glance behind and to the left in the thing his girlfriend sometimes uses for her make-up wouldn't go amiss either.

      • nocure on 10/06/2018 - 19:18

        I cringed as you shot past that line of traffic at full speed, Seems to be a right turn problem as traffic is queuing, maybe why they have reduced the speed limit.

  • Sage on 10/06/2018 - 19:03

    Am I missing something? The video doesn't show when it goes from 60 to 40.
    I think there are too many possibilities to factor, such as they want people to slow to 40 and stay at 40 but only if they're turning. Sure the road going forward changes to 60 but maybe the others don't.

    • JimmyF on 10/06/2018 - 23:07
      +3

      There is a 40km speed sign shown in the video before the camera. Look again.

  • bobbified on 10/06/2018 - 19:07

    Even if it's a trap as you describe it, what can you do? Other than follow the posted limits…

    • Entropy Sky on 10/06/2018 - 19:21

      Pay fine.

      • bobbified on 10/06/2018 - 19:30
        +1

        haha you've got that right!

        I think a large number of us here already agree that these cameras are simply there to raise revenue. The others believe all the shit that the government sprouts about caring for our safety!

  • Ocker on 10/06/2018 - 19:17

    I travel West (same direction as you did) on Canterbury Road quite often, today being the latest.

    I never noticed a 40 kmh speed sign, but there has been a camera there for several years.

    • Entropy Sky on 10/06/2018 - 19:21

      Use to be just redlight camera, but it received an upgrade I guess.
      The cameras and pole are new.

  • jamesblake2908 on 10/06/2018 - 20:03

    I live near the instersection. The camera has been there forever. It seems like there's plenty of distance between the 40 sign and the intersection. No idea why they made it 40 though. Maybe the retirement village and the ovals nearby?

    • Entropy Sky on 10/06/2018 - 20:11

      The blue car was behind me, but still over shoot me despite slowing down.

      I slowed to 38kmh(my speedo), I would guess he is still about mid 40ish kmh.

  • [Deactivated] on 10/06/2018 - 20:42

    I think there is a prescribed distance between a speed change and a speed camera. My shitty recall brain is telling me 200m but don't quote me.

    Is there a 40kmh ahead warning sign
    ie. 40 in a black circle?

  • burningrage on 10/06/2018 - 21:10

    If you are concerned about being booked, I don't think you will get booked as the camera is on the other side (Eastbound).

    However, the 40kms sign sounds clipped onto an existing 60kms so probably a temporary thing. That camera has always been there for yonks.

    So no, not a trap in my opinion.

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    +1

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  • Melb69 on 10/06/2018 - 22:01
    +1

    There is a great one on Warrigal Road near the Monash Uni whete the shops. As you come to shops its 40km and through the lights at intersection from 60km. Yes your going through lights at 40km. It's one of the biggest money earners for the government.

    • Entropy Sky on 10/06/2018 - 22:17

      Is that the one before the Bunnings?
      I know that used to be 70kmh zone, and 40 kmh zone just for the light;
      But its illegal to reduce speed limit more than 20kmh at once, so they reduce the 70kmh zone to 60kmh.

      Just to make that red light legal, and make money.

      • Melb69 on 10/06/2018 - 23:15

        I correct myself its on Warrigal Rd and the intersection Batesford Road. Near Homesglen not Monash. I did get nambed there. You only do it once. Now the speed limiter goes on if I ever go there.

        Yeah it is the one near Bunninngs and Hardly Normal

      • cheapisgood on 10/06/2018 - 23:24

        When was it ever illegal to reduce speed by more then 20km/h? If speed is going to be reduced by 30km/h or more, they have to put advance warning signs of the pending speed decrease. (Eg: 40km/h Ahead).

        Just like in rural areas when it drops from 100km/h to 60km/h in one go.

        • Euphemistic on 11/06/2018 - 07:43

          There are some rules about not reducing more than 20km/h at a time for roadworks, but I’m not sure of the details because they often drop it from 110km/h to 80 then to 40 on the freeway. Come to think of it you need a certain distance of a particular speed limit and not drop more than 40 afaik, but again it’s for roadworks.

          On the roads there are plenty of instances where you drop from 110 to 60 (off ramps) or from 90 to 60 when you are in rural areas. There are probably road design rules about how it works.

  • JimmyF on 10/06/2018 - 23:08

    Does it meet the min distance from speed change to camera? I would think it doesn't IF the 40 sign shown in the picture is the first and only sign to advise of the speed change.

  • cheapisgood on 10/06/2018 - 23:19

    It looks like just a temporary 40km/h sign. You can see it attached to the original 60km/h sign. Probably some worker forgot to take it off when they were done with the roadworks.

    Also by the way, that camera has been there for years.

  • 400TX on 11/06/2018 - 08:52

    Two things:
    1: You're probably travelling the wrong direction to be pinged by a speed camera.
    2: On the left side of your video (southern side of Canterbury, east of Elgar) is a sign that reads "Traffic Camera Testing Ahead". You can see it on street view also (https://goo.gl/maps/hsNqT1SVnek). Although it may look like a speed camera, this camera — as far as I know — does NOT issue fines. As the sign says, it's for testing purposes. It is often fitted with strange and wonderful technologies and does not appear on the Victorian government's fixed cameras list (https://www.camerassavelives.vic.gov.au/camera-locations)
    Happy to hear from anyone else with more information about it.

    • Entropy Sky on 11/06/2018 - 11:29

      My brother did got a fine on that intersection about a year ago.

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