I Think I Might Be Burgled Soon. What to do?

UPDATE:
Just got back from interstate, so pardon the delay in updates.

Between my post and the latest update,
- On Fri night, my housemates went to the police who said that because the man didn't conceal his face, it's likely he was not up to something dodgy. Also patrols wouldn't be stepped up on weekends?

  • On Sat morning, a housemate got to answer the door! The guy said he was from Uniti internet and said our house qualified for it, and asked if housemate was renting or was the landlord managing the bills.
    Housemate: I'm renting. You've been around for the past few days, yea? We've got cameras.
    Man:Yes, I came yesterday too.
    Housemate: You were here before that too?
    Man: No. That was someone else.
    Later, housemate also checked if he was going to be coming back, and he said no.

  • Well, all's well, sort of, for a number of reasons - e.g. if he was really going to break in, he wouldn't be coming around for three days. We're mostly more at ease, except that:

  1. He had been coming around for 3 days (in the exact same attire, and more than once per day), but said he's only been coming for 2 days.

  2. He wasn't wearing a badge or any company paraphernalia.

  3. He said our house qualified, but I checked on Uniti website which said it didn't. I rang Uniti and the customer support said their contractors have vague details of the neighbourhoods, so they would have seen my house as qualifying when it is actually blocked by a couple of structures. The website has more accurate info. So that's weird - if I'm the contractor, I'd just use the more accurate info via the website. And if the ipad doesn't have data…then how is Uniti expecting me to be convinced they have internet expertise/access?

Anyway, I'm walking away with your tips richer, and I'm sure my house will be safer than what it was 4 days ago. Thank you!!


In the last two months I've been in Melbourne, my manager was burgled and I learnt about someone who is suffering from a head injury from a home invasion years ago, which is why I'm taking this very seriously. Only interested in helpful responses, please. Thanks for understanding.

Thursday - 12pm: Camera got a man tapping on his ipad coming to the door. Instead of ringing the doorbell, he reached out and tried the screendoor. Waited and left.
5pm: He returned a second time, and did the exact same thing. He heard our dog then walked away, pausing, and left.

Friday (today) - At three different times (spaced hours apart, and again during office hours), same guy came back and did the same thing, but rang doorbell once this time.

It's odd that a salesperson or someone doing survey would try to open the door instead trying the doorbell, so I think he has dodgy intentions.

What we have:

  • Camera recording
  • Sticker near door saying house is under surveillance
  • Large dog barking
    But guy continued returning, so these haven't been deterrents for him.

What we are doing:

  • Will share video with police tonight
  • Will talk to neighbours and ask them to look out for our house, and to check their own cameras if their house have been targeted too.
  • Will have some protective equipment in our bedrooms

But it feels like we can't actually do anything to definitively prevent a break-in, and I can't accept the idea of being a sitting duck! Any other ideas?

Comments

  • +23

    Get insurance

    • +5

      I'm living with housemates. Do I qualify for insurance?

      • +13

        Yes renters insurance

        • +12

          In a convenient twist, the guy coming to the door is probably selling insurance!

      • +27

        I'm quite confident that this chap is simply a representative, researcher, technician, etc. I don't think a burglar would scope out your house 5 times with no answer and not break in. There's nothing suspicious about his behaviour as you've described it.

        You can install a panic alarm for peace of mind. That's a better defence than confronting an intruder.

        • +4

          That's what the police said, and it does put me at ease.

          Having been a victim of other crimes in my life, I no longer subscribe to "if this isn't logical by most people's standards, it still doesn't mean it won't happen". I just want to be able to look back and say, "ha! I did everything humanly possible" rather than go "what if I had".

        • +3

          @usherer:
          take the easy to steal valuables (laptop, all cred cards, passports, cash etc) inside a backpack and have that with you

        • +4

          @payton:

          No way, do the opposite. Fill a bag with cash and leave it near the front door in a conspicuous place marked "house deposit". If he breaks in, he'll think he hit pay day and run off before he risks losing it.

          Only… its not a bag of cash, its a bag of photocopied paper, with the top layer made up of a few hundred in small bills. It also contains a gps tracker hidden in the lining at the bottom

        • +2

          Agree. Burgulars dont cary ipads around unless its a burgler doing "research"

        • A persistant Jehovahs Witness, they play videos and send links to brochures on Ipads now

        • @Amayzingone:

          He may have picked it up from next door.

      • +2

        Show us the footage, we're all expert detectives here 😉

      • My old sharehouse got broken into 3 years ago. My housemate had contents insurance, but we found out that as housemates, we had to have our own insurance policies. Contents insurance only covers family members' contents.

        Best to read the PDS!

        • Thanks! Will be getting my own soon!

  • +5

    join your local community facebook page and post up pics to let pepple know.

    • My housemate says we don't have one.
      Anyone knows of the FB page for West Footscray? 3011

      • +59

        Notifying impending criminal activity in West Footscray is like giving out condoms in a maternity ward.

      • +2

        I had a similar incident in Kingsville/Yarraville. Person at the front door, didn't knock.. When I approached the door they freaked and asked me some shitty question like 'do you know how to get to the train station?'. There was a number of stores nearby that they could have gone to but instead they went to a house..?

        In my instance, I believe that they thought the house may be empty as it looked semi derelict.. If your house looks like it could empty, I would change something to make it look like it isn't empty.. Maybe somehow show that there's multiple people at the residence also?… My place had multiple people in it, which they saw when I opened the door..

        WeFo police are as useful as an ashtray on a motorcycle but give it a shot…

        There is one Facebook group that posts about this kinda stuff but its not burglary specific - Inner West Buy Sell Swap.

        I also used to live in West Footscray. I'd suggest making the house look unappealing but also make it look like there are people there… If you can..

        • +1

          That's freaky. It's horrible these people should infringe on our home lives like this.

          Our house looks very nice, and we do have 5 people, and at its max capacity, 7-8 people there! Girlfriends and such.

          I'll go think about how to make the house non semi-derelict yet unappealing, and with multiple people roving around throughout office hourse!

        • @usherer:

          Definitely!

          Just try make it look like a share house somehow.. And not a family home.. A lot of homes targeted in the area are often family homes because someone's at work, someone's looking after the kids/running about + the kids are out = easy daytime robbery.

        • +9

          @rambutann: shoe rack out front, opshop 3-4 diff size shoes, place out front.

        • @Slippery Fish: good idea!

        • +1

          @usherer: put a pair or two of very steel caps on them and a hunting club sticker next to your door.

        • I was mending my possum damage roof and gutter one day, I stood on my fence to get on it and get back down at the back of my house. The next minute there's 4 cop cars out my house and a policeman clinging on the other side of my fence/wall. They are so quick I doubt anyone could get away. In some VIC suburbs they are pretty responsive and very serious.

          Showed them my license for proof of identity and they had a quick check to make sure no extra persons was around and they are gone. Didn't even have time to offer them a drink. Very friendly chaps and a relieve for them. I was wearing white runners and dark blue tracksuits that day…

      • +3

        Oh wow, i guess west footscray hasnt gotten any better. I used to live there up until 10 years ago. Between me and my neighbour we got robbed 5-6 times. Last incident we eventually bough insurance before going on a holiday, and our house got cleaned out while we were gone.

        Our house was right on barkly st, still wasnt busy enough

        • Barkly Street is where Chemist Warehouse, and quite a number of cafes are - now at least. That's horrible!
          How did you recover financially from the repeated break-ins??

        • It has changed alot in 10 years mate! These things happen everywhere.

        • @usherer: My house was between central west and that little bunch of shops (I think it was called barkly village).

          I don't recall what exactly was taken during the first 2-3 break in's but they were relatively minor compared to the last. The thief would've probably just taken whatever they could and ran for it. One instance we could've sworn they were just in the house right before we came home, as we heard noises and they seemed to have left a few things behind. I found a plastic bag where they've collected a bunch of things, but left behind in our backyard.

          Keep in mind the first few incidents would've been 12-18 years ago, back when you didn't have extremely valuable things that are easily carried away. During the last break in, despite them taking basically everything, we had a 4-6k TV that wasn't taken because it was one of those gigantic CRT's that has its own stand. I'm guessing the thief would've had trouble taking that home, without being seen by everyone driving past barkly st.

          Our insurance company was relatively understanding, even though we bought our insurance shortly before our holiday/break in, we told them about our past history with break in's which is why we bought the insurance. They compensated for mostly everything, even some items that we couldn't prove we owned (by receipts, pictures, packaging etc). So we got most of the things back, I was a kid back then, so i didn't really know how much it impacted us financially. All I saw was new stuff replacing the old stuff!

      • For West Footscray and the other inner west suburbs the Facebook page is "inner west (Melbourne) buy swap sell". It used to just be more for selling things, but it turned into a community group where people share experiences and seek recommendations/advice. You have to request to join, and have to live in the inner west.

  • +29

    Copy whatever you saw from Home and Alone.

    • +35

      two great movies i might add

      • +7

        I've seen Home, was Alone good?

        • +2

          Wasn’t in English so not sure.

        • You're just joking but the TV show Alone is great. Only reality TV show I've ever been able to enjoy and I really enjoy it. Probably because it's literally just people alone in the wilderness. They film themselves. There are no "challenges" or weird rules or any of that normal reality TV stuff. Just survive and film themselves doing it.

        • +1

          @DonWilson: Yeah Alone is awesome. Season 5 just came out. New episode was just out the other day.

          This time in Mongolia which is… interesting.

        • Not sure. Had no one to watch it with.

      • +3

        I think you mistakenly called them movies. I think you'll find they were documentaries!

        • *Education films.

  • +11

    I use a .38 security system. Leave a blank at the front door.

    • +14

      My security screens are 9mm…

  • +1

    Baseball bat and a large pair of nuts….

    • +1

      Yea, have told everyone to be careful.

    • Also make sure you don't hit yours.

  • +7

    Can you print out a picture from the security vision and tape it on the door saying you are watching him and have shared vision with police?

    • Yea, doing that - but that won't stop him from simply entering.

      • +7

        It’s mainly a deterrence, and it should work.
        Unless it’s personal or vengence, thieves like easy, unsuspecting targets.

      • Thieves might not be the smartest bunch, but I'm assuming if he knew you had his face on video, then he'd be smart enough to move on.

        • Now that we've found out he's from Uniti, we've stuck only the 'Do not knock poster' - this is exciting. I found out that if contractors knock on our door, we can complain against the company! so anyone who insists on knocking must be a fake.

  • +3

    Call Tom Cruise, he was in Minority Report and can tell you what to do.

  • +8

    What if you crop and print out his face from the footage, then stick it on the flyscreen.
    A few words of your choice can be enclosed with the photo.
    If the perp is indeed casing your house (which according to the given info it’s likely) he’ll realise that you are onto it and that should be enough to deter him.
    It’s important to crop out his face only so that he can’t see the field of view of the cam(s).

    P/s: nvm beaten to it

    • Great tip about the field of view of the camera. Will do that.

      Would a camera be enough to deter him? I wish. Do cams in Melbourne have face recognition technology and pick up on faces? I've always wondered about those pictures. It doesn't seem to serve any immediate purpose, other than asking the public for information.

      • +2

        The camera should be enough to deter him.
        (I'm assuming you have a clear footage, otherwise you may be letting him know that your camera sucks)

        Unless it is a personal affair (where someone specifically targets you for who you are), thieves tend to go for easy, unsuspecting targets.
        It'd be right down stupid to burgle a house if you know the owner has seen you casing it and have photographic evidence.
        Much safer (from him) to just skip right over your house and move on to one without security camera.

  • +4
    1. Timed lights at night time and radio during the day if no one is at home
    2. Try to confuse them with your work routine. It's easier to break into someone's house if you know they are out a certain period of time every a day
    3. Ask friends who don't work/have capacity to drop by during the day so your house appears to be a 'busy household'
    4. Ask neighbours to look out for you
    5. Ask police to patrol the area
    6. Get insurance
    7. Hide valuables from plain sight
    8. Making sure the exterior of your house is well-lit at night time
    • Very good tips. I haven't thought of (1) - partly because I'm a tenant and don't know the house well. The rest of the house haven't thought of it though.

      (2) -And yes, I might be taking leave or work from home next week to confuse them. That said, I'm female, and if a scary-sounding dog doesn't put him off, I'm sure he'd find it just as easy to get rid of me.

      (3) tricky. And I wouldn't want them to get into harm's way.

      (4) yes, doing that tomorrow morn.

      (5) Housemates are reporting to the police right now as I type.

      (6) I'm renting, and thought I can't get insurance because of that? Do you know of insurance for renters? My partner and I are renting together, if that helps. We have 3 other housemates.

      (7) yes. BTW, if anyone is reading this, please don't hide your jewellery amongst your undies. While doing extensive research last night, a police chief said this is one location robbers tend to go for - as owners tend to do that.

      (8) yep, this ties in with your fab tip (1)

      • +3

        You can get Home and content insurance.

        Do inform your landlord as well if you think the locks are not adequate.

        I do hope nothing bad happens :(

        • +1

          Thanks!! Any recommendation for insurance?

          Police says guy's face can be seen i.e. he didn't deliberately conceal his face on all 5 occasions, so most likely to be a salesperson.

        • +1

          @usherer: It may seem like the obvious advice, but please make sure you read the PDS thoroughly before buying a policy.

          Many policies have terms and conditions against share houses. For example, they may specify a maximum number of 'unrelated people' that can live in the home (usually around 3). They may also refuse a claim if there are adults living in the home that aren't listed on the policy.

          These links may be helpful for your search:

        • @bhw2282: thanks! Gonna pore through them this week. Will also be getting a heavy-ish safe.

      • +1

        (7) yes. BTW, if anyone is reading this, please don't hide your jewellery amongst your undies. While doing extensive research last night, a police chief said this is one location robbers tend to go for - as owners tend to do that.

        Dang! I always keep my crown jewels in my undies when I'm outside the house. I only take them out to use them.

    • very good except…..
      Police wont do anything these days unless there is physical violence or life threatening issue
      Valuables need to be locked away as burglers ransack everything but yes, better out of sight.

      1. Buy a random timer from Bunnings HPM 7day Digital Timer - 1min Increments I/N: 7030060 $20.90 (in my area)

      The random function is explained on page 2 in the manual. http://hpm.com.au/app/document/asset/07/24/d817-2-hpm-7-day-…

  • +5

    Your dog will probably do absolutely nothing to stop it.

    Also, burglars often poison dogs when they break in. I'd be most worried about that, than the house getting robbed.

    • Just watched all the videos. Apparently dear dog was just watching the man! Maybe with affection.

      • +1

        It is because we train dogs to accept strangers, because we don't want our friends or strangers when we walk them to be mauled by the dog.

      • I have owned Rotties for along time - never an issue - everyone knows we have one!

    • +3

      I dont think so.
      Barking dogs are definitely a deterent not because they will bite but rather the noise they make attracts attention.
      Burgulars look for quiet, easy targets so they will just move on

      • -1

        Thus poisoning them.

        • +3

          But why bother poisoning them when you can just find another target without a dog? Way less effort.

        • -3

          @MissG:

          Because they want your shit?

  • +9

    Tie up paint cans above the stair case, and get a pet tarantula

  • +8

    it's not normal, but many people (try to) open the security screen and then knock on the door.

    • ah, I get what you mean. Let's hope that's what he was doing.

      But your statement is a bit of a double negative? so …is it normal or not?

      • +2

        As someone who understands English, he's saying it is not normal but can be perfectly acceptable so it shouldn't be ruled out. Imagine you need to knock on a door, the screen door can't be knocked on so you have to open it to knock on the hard wood surface. Basic logic here.

        I wonder if it's genuine. Could you take a sick day and find out?
        If it's a burglar and you answer the door then the answer will be clear. I doubt they'd assault you or anything.

      • +1

        not normal, but it happens

    • To knock on the door you must first open the screen door.

    • My Auspost mailman always uses his palm to slap on my locked security screen. same effect as knocking just as loud. So unless the guy isn't using his brains and decides it's a must to knock on the door to create any noise.

      • Haha I know that it's not needed but I see plenty of people doing that. Old habits?

  • Leave the door unlocked and wait there with a weapon and beat the arse of the crook.

  • +26

    leave a note stuck to the door -

    "hey Boris, gone to gun store to get more ammo. the pitpulls aren't chained up so be careful this time, LOL. also Micky is sleeping and really pissed off as he had been overtraining for his Maui Thai tournament so please be quiet and don't wake him. back in 5 minutes".

    • +3

      And broden forgot to apply his ebay 10% off coupon so is mad as hell and ready to whip some ASS

      • +1

        Might lead him to OZB which would give up the gig!

    • Just a note to say " Smile for the camera"

    • Hahaha epic idea.

  • +2

    Figure out the pattern of attempted thefts, leave your door unlocked in accordance with that, wait for thief to return with 5 house mates hidden on stand by, when thief enters, apprehend the thief collectively, then proceed to molest the thief and send a message to the underworld not to f*** with you all.

  • +3

    Take a screenshot of the guy add the text, "You're being monitored" and stick it near the front door.

    • +2

      Best advice is to talk to your neighbours. Just ask if they have spoken to the person you are concerned about as it may turn out to be just a pushy salesperson.

      IF you are shy or do not talk to your neighbours

      a) Create flyers with a photo listing the times they have been to your place (no need to provide your address) and put them in your neighbours letterboxes. If you want some feedback it might be worth creating a new or providing a email address for others to share info.

      b) Stick some flyers on street posts in your street informing that that neighbours have been notified and are on the lookout and that they will report suspicious activities to the authorities if it persists.

  • +2

    I don't know what's become of this community… the only correct answer is bikies of course!

    as for thieves being smart, that's usually not the case, e.g. friends of mine have had thieves break into their home more than once, even when they were inside having breakfast with their 3 kids. in any case, smart thieves would have very different targets than a shared house in west footscray. cameras/surveillance are not a great deterrent, but a loud alarm would be, with stickers on the door/windows mentioning the name of the company that installed the alarm. hopefully even dumb thieves should be able to understand that it's best to go for an easier target. home and content insurance is definitely a good option if you're renting, and it's often mentioned in the lease agreement, as the landlord will only have house insurance.
    at the end of the day though, if this is affecting your quality of life and you're not feeling safe, it's probably best to move somewhere else, if that's a viable option for you. that's one of the pros of renting after all.

    • as for thieves being smart, that's usually not the case

      The reason they aren't "smart" is that they're in a state of fight or flight where the pre-frontal cortex actually shuts down as they commit the burglary.

      This has nothing to do with intelligence it's just that the part of the brain that performs reasoning is longer functioning in a fight or flight state.

      • +2

        the pre-frontal cortex actually shuts down as they commit the burglary vote for Labour or Liberal.

        Fixed that for you.

        • -1

          None of them are getting any of my votes until they fix the broken legal system that is constantly releasing criminals back into community to commit more crimes.

          Even the behaviour of the police are a result of a weak justice system. So police aren't even bothered. i.e. unless someone gets hurt. What is the point of crime prevention when police are going "let the crime occur before they decide to do anything" ??

  • Doesn't matter what precautions you take, if someone wants to break in, they will. The whole point of it is just to make it more difficult - i.e. security screens, locking with key rather than just by hand (so if they break in, they can't get out easily), wood dowel in the tracks of windows/doors so they can't open from the outside.

    Living in fear and 'what if' train of thought will cause more harm than good to yourself.

    You've got a camera. Get insurance (as someone mentioned, there are providers that will cover for shared houses, or just do a single contents policy for everyone and have everyone chip in. Just be mindful it won't cover theft from someone within the house).

    Until an actual crime takes place, police won't care (nor should they, it's a waste of time and effort for nothing).
    -IF- something does happen, then take the evidence to assist them.

  • +2

    End of financial year. The salesman must be really desperate to meet their KPIs.

    • Must be an employee of an insurance company.

  • +3

    I am also West Footscray, there is a Facebook page called wefolk which is a good local community page. People are mostly helpful (some idiots) but maybe ask if there is someone doing the rounds selling or doing surveys,.

  • +5

    Run electrical voltage through the metal screen door

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