Bosch WTW87565AU 9kg Heat Pump Dryer $1137.60 ($1237.60+$100 Cashback) + Delivery or C&C @ The Good Guys eBay

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Lcatswithhands on 16/06/2018 - 16:59 ebay.com.au (3546 clicks)
Last edited 18/06/2018 - 11:59 by 2 other users

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Long time lurker but first time posting.

Been looking for a heat pump dryer for winter and found this. One of the cheapest it's ever been if i'm not wrong.

Some stores have Free click and collect but for those without, delivery is $50 (to WA)

$1237.60 plus Bosch providing a $100 cashback via redemption. Essentially dropping the price down to $1137.60

Technical Data:

Built-in / Free-standing : Free-standing
Removable top : No
Door hinge : Right
Length electrical supply cord (cm) : 145.0
Height of removable worktop (mm) : 842
Dimensions of the product (mm) : 842 x 598 x 599
Net weight (kg) : 56.0
Fluorinated greenhouse gases : Yes
Type of refrigerant : R407C
Hermetically sealed equipment : Yes
EAN code : 4242002820354
Connection Rating (W) : 1000
Current (A) : 10
Voltage (V) : 220-240
Frequency (Hz) : 50
Approval certificates : CE, VDE
Capacity cotton (kg) - NEW (2010/30/EC) : 9.0

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    yanman on 18/06/2018 - 16:42

    Yeh I'm going to go with the LG TD-H802SJW heat pump unit on Choice instead. Looks better overall for me.

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  UFO on 17/06/2018 - 09:00

  +5

  In most Australian climates, this thing is a complete waste of money- or at best a big gamble and pre-payment of your hard earned money.
  I know there will be fanboi's and prior purchasers that will already neg this comment just on that sentence alone, but hear me out.

  I live in ACT, one of the coldest areas in Australia. Clothes just don't dry outside in winter. You NEED a dryer, or need to be willing to have your house look like a laundromat with clothes horses everywhere. With 3 kids, we do both :).
  And even with our demands, the dryer is only used HARD 3 months a year. The rest of the year would be sporadic.
  This is typical usage in Australia… just over winter (unless you live in an apartment where every wash is then dried- different story completely).

  So, that being said… unless you use the dryer a lot over the year, you will NOT get your monies worth in a heat pump dryer. Best to stick to the 'old school' Simpson dryer for a couple hundred dollars. Here's the sums:

  Option 1) But this thing ($1200).
  You'll save half the power use, but it'll take longer to dry your clothes. Power use as I've described above would equate to about $50 of power use.
  I would expect whitegoods to last 10 years. At least mine have. $50 x 10 = $500. Total over 10 years $1700… however you've PREPAID $1200 of that on day 1 of delivery- at a cost of money to you, and a gamble that the unit doesn't malfunction in that 10 year period (service costs and parts on these 'air conditioners' are ridiculous).

  Option 2) Buy an old school Simpson dryer ($300 Good Guys quick Google, less if you look harder).
  Double the power use at $100 per year, but quicker to dry clothes. $100 x 10 = $1000. Total over 10 years $1300, with a much more even spread of cash over that period… and on a crucial malfunction the maximum service cost to 'repair' it is to buy a brand new one at $300… or they are very cheap and easy to repair.

  You've prepaid your entire purchase and usage with a heat pump dryer upfront! And that's not even taking into consideration the cost of the money…. that's extra!

  Cost of money calculation?
  Considering you are outlaying an additional $900 upfront for Option 1, and outlay of Option 2 doesnt reach it until year 9 at best:

  House mortgage rates 4%, low interest credit card 13%, standard credit card 21%.
  The reason I put these rates in is because most people in this country have some form of outstanding debt and will continue to have debt over the next 9 years. Very few people have absolutely no debt. The question is what is your most expensive debt? Most people have credit cards, but even at best case scenario lets say you only have a house loan. That $900 upfront could be sitting in your house loan saving you $36pa- or $324 over those 9 years. It gets even scarier with the 13% ($1053), and 21% ($1701)! Ask yourself where that money could otherwise be used over the next 9 years.

  So, the real cost of the this bargain?
  At best case house loan rates, $1700 (purchase and use 10 years) + $324 in additional cost of money over the Simpson outlay = $2024.
  Simpson dryer, $1300 (purchase and use 10 years), = $1300. And less risk!

  Long story short, the maths in buying an air conditioner just for your clothes does NOT make sense or cents. It's more expensive, it takes longer to dry clothes, and its riskier (a failure will cost almost as much as purchase price).

  Don't do it. You aren't saving anything.

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    Sigiriya on 17/06/2018 - 09:28

    I live in ACT and similar conditions and I have 3 cloths horses at the living room as we have 5 in the family.

    refer to the page 26 of user manual. It is hard to copy paste as the formatting plays up. It will cost 1.72KWh to dry 9Kg load of cotton if spin at 1400 use while washing.

    365 days use ( it is very unlikely you will dry 9kg loads every day) will cost 627.8 units. If you are in ACT with demand tariffs which is 16.51 cents, it will cost $103.51 per year (before discount, you may get minimum 12.5% off if you bundle). We have solar and my calculation is I will be able to use this during the day and will not cost me a cent. Should pay back very quickly compared to cheap dryer consume peaks of electricity which will go beyond generated by solar.

    Don't understand why people are so concerned in the time takes to dry, when the drying is at home. Unless they are so disorganised that they are washing and drying a load when they want to wear the same cloths again within next couple of hours. My understanding is slow drying at lower temperature is best for the garments than drying fast in high temperatures.

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      IanC on 17/06/2018 - 12:10

      just imagine saving at Qld rates at nearly 27 cents pkh

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    binary01 on 17/06/2018 - 10:29

    +1

    All good points UFO.
    Unfortunately, as with many modern energy saving technologies, the pure financial decision can be hard to justify, with very long payback periods (depending on use case). Especially for early adopters.

    I still like the idea of Australian's adopting the smarter/efficient technologies whenever possible, if they can afford it. Call me delusional if you will, I've been called worse :)

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    [Deactivated] on 17/06/2018 - 12:42

    Ok discounting the fact that the largest vented dryer does 7kg vs this that does 9kg, using a cheapo $450 2 star dryer just once a week will save you $205 over 10 years, assuming your electrical prices remain at 29c.

    If you use it 2 or more times a week then the heat pump will come out ahead.

    Don't forget though that the vented dryer will need to be ducted or you'll need to leave windows open in the cold of winter. You may or may not need to do extra loads due to the 2kg capacity difference (which will negate the vented dryer's speed and add extra cost).

    Also you will most probably end up overdrying your clothes which actually cost you money in electricity and will damage your clothing, so even with a casual once a week the figures are not so clear cut, and if you run it more often it's a no brainer if you afford the upfront cost :)

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    spaceflight on 17/06/2018 - 15:46

    +1

    You'll save half the power use

    It's more than half

    Option 1) Power use as I've described above would equate to about $50 of power use.
    Option 2) Double the power use at $100 per year.

    According to the government energy ratings
    This model costs $457 over 10 years when used once per week.
    The most expensive 9kg vented dryer will cost $1,373.

    I don't know what your definition of HARD 3 months a year is. For arguments sake make it 4 times per week for 3 months (4 beds plus clothes washed once a week would probably make give you 4 loads a week)

    So that usage pattern is the same as using it once per week for a year.
    Which is helpful because that means you can use the energy rating figures.

    So your Option 1 would not cost $50, it would cost $45 ($1,450 with a $1,000 dryer)
    Your option 2 would not cost $100 it would cost $137. ($1,670 with a $300 dryer)

    Now where your argument sort of falls apart is that a $300 dryer is only going to hold 4kg, not 9kg so you are going to need to use the 4kg dryer 2.25 times as often. This means is is going to get more wear than the 9kg unit and be likely to fail faster than a larger unit.

    At best case house loan rates, $1700 (purchase and use 10 years) + $324

    Why have you amortized the electricity costs into the 10 years?
    A $1,000 loan over 10 years at 4% interest will incur $215 interest when paid monthly at $10 per month
    You also save $92 per year on electricity that you can put back into your loan so an electricity saving of $8 per month means that paying $18 per month into the loan will see it paid off in 5 years inuring only $108 in interest.
    If you keep putting the $8 saving form electricity into your loan you will save $50 in interest over the last 5 years.

    the maths in buying an air conditioner just for your clothes does NOT make sense or cents. It's more expensive,

    How about also looking at the bigger picture.
    If everyone had a heat pump dryer we would use 3x less energy, pollute 3x less CO2, lead, thallium, barium, cadmium, chromium, and mercury (all come from burning coal), have cleaner air, water, rain etc.

    Don't do it. You aren't saving anything.

    Except I don't know, the health of the planet and those who live on it.

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  Maz78 on 17/06/2018 - 09:18

  +1

  Meh, while it may seem like a "good price" it's fairly pricey for a dryer. Heck, I thought it was a washer/dryer at that price!
  I'm with UFO, we really only use ours during the colder months. Never during spring / summer. I doubt the extra kw/h usage justifies the fair higher price tag than a conventional dryer..
  We're stil using our ~ 10 year old Hoover dryer I picked up that was basically unused/6 months old on Ebay for <$100.. I somehow doubt after all these years that the cost of this unit would put me in front..

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    pongie on 17/06/2018 - 19:25

    A wash/dryer combo using heat pump technology starts at $3499 (AEG) and goes all the way up to $5999 (LG)

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  mjs on 17/06/2018 - 10:29

  I spent a lot of time thinking about heat pump versus vented. We had a vented that was fine but:
  - released a lot of moisture in the laundry, causing mould
  - overheated the clothes
  - was noisy

  Despite that, it did the job.

  Wanted a new dryer and did a lot of research. Most heat pump dryers get bad reviews - it’s almost universal. Issues around not drying clothes properly, taking too long, or not having a reverse tumble mode to stop clothes (especially bed sheets) from rolling into a ball.

  We ended up getting an Electrolux heat pump. I’m happy with it. It is quiet, the clothes don’t get cooked, and the laundry does not heat up at all or get moist. It comes with a drain hose which means you can drain the water away automatically.

  The key is not to overload the dryer with clothes (it has a big capacity), and to put similarly sized items in the dryer (so don’t mix towels with small clothes). The Electrolux has a reverse tumble mode but sheets usually require a second go because there is usually a little bit of dampness somewhere (which was the same with my vented dryer).

  In terms of the “need” for such an item. For us, when you have kids, and especially in winter, it is very handy. If you put clothes out in the morning and don’t get home until dark, then you find the clothes get damp again.

  Anyway, my 2 cents.

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  pumpkins on 17/06/2018 - 11:50

  +2

  If you're buying this to reduce your energy consumption, you'd be better off putting the $1,200 towards a solar panel install. That is, if you don't already have solar, or aren't renting.

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  Seeya-zn on 17/06/2018 - 11:59

  +1

  How does this compare to the LG TD-H802SJW that choice recommends?. Its around $100 dollars more expensive on GG ebay store. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-LG-TD-H802SJW-8kg-Heat-Pump-…

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    cosjav on 17/06/2018 - 12:52

    I'm wondering the same thing. Plus I don't have the space to put this on the floor so if I get the LG, can I stack it on top of the Bosch washer I have or do I have to have the same brand as suggested by Bosch support (comments above)?

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      [Deactivated] on 17/06/2018 - 12:56

      +1

      I'm stacking a FP on top of a Bosch washer at the moment with a rubber mat, but I won't recommend anything :)

      the LG is rated 9 stars vs 7 stars of the Bosch. Purely calculating TCO the LG will come out ahead by $29 over 10 years (used once a week) so you'd need to base your decision on performance and reliability (and LG is 8kg vs 9kg for Bosch)

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  T1OOO on 17/06/2018 - 12:28

  How hard is the install ??

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    crc32 on 17/06/2018 - 13:45

    I lifted it and put it on top of the washer and plugged it in. That's about it. There's an optional drain attachment that is used in a similar way to a washing machine drain hose when you get sick of emptying the water reservoir.

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  Mistymoo on 17/06/2018 - 13:06

  This is so tempting but I don't have the money for it right now :( We live in an apartment and all our washing is dried indoors so it'd be great for us. We have terrible ventilation so our cheapy dryer leaves everything covered in condensation :(

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    crc32 on 17/06/2018 - 13:42

    +1

    The lack of condensation is one of the best features of these dryers. Much better than having to run the exhaust fan all the time in our 'European-style' laundry.

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      xylarr on 17/06/2018 - 14:24

      This absolutely. Yes energy saving and all, but in an apartment with bad ventilation in the laundry, this is great.

      I bought a Samsung one a while back. There is no air blown at all from the dryer. No moisture, no lint, nothing.

      This is what you're paying for in my opinion.

      Edit: speelong

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  kindra on 17/06/2018 - 15:28

  Got this dryer and works pretty well. Towels and bed linen don’t dry as well because it gets tangled into a long twist rope. I like the fact when you dry the cloths you can fold it straight away, you don’t even need to iron the clothes. It collects a lot of lint and I have to empty it every cycle. Good price for this dryer.

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  popcornready on 17/06/2018 - 20:44

  Can these be hung?

  Do they need an outlet?

  Can this be stacked on top of a Bosch front loader vacuum?

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    911r on 17/06/2018 - 22:46

    No.
    No, optional. You can empty the reservoir manually.
    Definitely, no! Maybe try a front loader washer! (Yes, you can stack, but use the kit).

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      popcornready on 18/06/2018 - 07:51

      Haha not sure why I typed vacuum!

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  Devil Dog Eyes on 18/06/2018 - 08:18

  -4

  Cheaper here:
  https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/385269

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  bamberg on 20/06/2018 - 21:07

  I need the dryer delivered downstairs and my old dryer taken away which the Good Guys website says is "premium delivery". The Good Guys ebay store only has "standard delivery" and "pick up" as options. It also says it is not possible to change from pickup to delivery (or change delivery address once you have ordered).

  I wonder is it possible to select 'standard delivery' and then ring them up tomorrow and upgrade to premium delivery. And how much extra would that cost (standard delivery is $50), Too late to call the store now and the deal ends tonight!

  Can anyone help?

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    bamberg on 21/06/2018 - 20:52

    The answer is yes, you have to go into the store that will deliver your item and pay for the upgrade. They can no longer do it over the phone.

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    tommypickles on 25/06/2018 - 12:01

    how much does premium delivery cost vs. standard delivery?

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