Just received a fine for speeding on the return to Melbourne, on freeway in Broadford.
110 km/h zone, Detected 118km/h, adjusted to 115 km/h.
I was speeding, I don't dispute that, & I'm hoping to get out of it because of a clean record.
But, 5 km over in a 110 km zone!? I thought you had 10% leniency when it was over a 100 km/h zone? Can someone clarify the rules?
$201 is very expensive considering I was doing 5 km over on a freeway!
110kmh is already quite fast… why you need to be going 115kmh?
What's wrong with wanting to spend the least amount of time commuting as possible? 110km/h isn't "fast". It's all relative. In Germany 180km/h would be considered average on many stretches of the autobahn. On those roads over 220km/h is considered "fast"
we are not in germany though…
But the point still stands though.
What is so hard about understanding that people want to spend the least amount of time commuting as possible.
It also reducing the probability of fatigue and accidents - less time on the road = less driver fatigue.
Ah memories of my rented Seat Ibiza continually having to shift over whilst stuck on its 160km/h redline whilst Mercedes & Porsches wizzed by doing 50km/h more ;)
Nice experience for an Australian to get to do that legally… although there used to be stretches of WA and NT roads that had no speed limit at all (well, under the umbrella of it should be a "safe" speed).
110kmh is already quite fast… why you need to be going 111kmh?
110 Zone.
Caught at 115 which in VIC means 118 as ViCpol take off 3 for calibration etc.
118 means about 122 on your Speedo.
So you knew you were doing AT LEAST 10+ over the limit on your speedo.
Got what you deserved. Enjoy your fine.
Stupid comment. Different brand cars have very different speedo readings. I've proven this by taking my portable GPS and putting it in my wife's Suzuki. The speedo shows around 6km less than the actual speed (94 in a 100 zone). Yet when I take the same GPS and put it in my Nissan and do the same speed, my Nissan speedo shows 1km more than the actual speed (101 in a 100 zone).
Some people don't test out their cars like I have done so they just rely on what the speedo is telling which is often not the source of truth.
And 118 on a country road when the limit is 110 is not excessively fast! We could (and should) lift a lot of the 110 zone limits to 120.
I think you’ll find the majority of cars, especially ones made in the last 10 years are 3-5 km under on the speedo. Your Nissan would be an exception not the rule.
How old is the Nissan and have you got the stock size rims and tyres on it?
BTW I agree 120 is a good idea, however that’s not what’s being debated. The rule is 110 and OP was clearly doing close to or over 120 on the Speedo by his own admission for hinking he had 10% grace.
Our 2014 Holden speedo shows exact speed whereas 2014 toyota is 5km over. It all comes to testing individual cars.
I'd love to see speed limits raised but knowing how bad most Australian drivers are it will only contribute to more problems.
Miss those European summer speed limits of 130km/h…
Only $201 !!
Try getting fined in SA
That's what I was thinking.. be glad you're not in SA. It would be almost double that!! Probably the only thing propping our state economy up!
VIC changed from 10% leniency years ago.
Having lived in the UK/US, where the cops don't care about the speed limit on freeways as long as there's no roadworks around (if you're not doing at least 10mp/h over, you're getting passed by everyone, including police), I laugh 6km/h over will get you done in Victoria (then cry when I get caught).
It's a damn LIMIT. NOT a minimum. NOT a recommended speed. NOT a speed for everyone else but you.
@syousef
I agree.
So we should start cracking down on people not keeping left on freeways\highways.
Amazing observation. However are we allowed to compare places that could potentially be similar?
You mean like my point 3? "You get passed doing the speed limit here all the time"?
Bottom line: If you don't like our road rules here, no one is forcing you to get behind the wheel. If you do, you're obligated to obey the rules, just like everyone else. And if you want to change those rules, go ahead and lobby for it.
Freeways & highways are long straight wide roads for the most part. There’s plenty of other places speed cameras could be placed before them, if we’re serious about safety on the roads.
(if you're not doing at least 10mp/h over, you're getting passed by everyone, including police)
I feel this quite often here in NSW roads. Seems so many people speed and pass me by even when I am right on the limit. Maybe my speedo is out.
I want to know where people are getting their speed limit exemptions.
Clean record just means you haven't been caught yet.
Just think of what you could have done with that $201.
Yeah. 201 $1 coins…
I think you get more because of rounding.
2% leniency in Victoria by law. The limit is +4 km/h imposed by Vicroads. Police will let you off usually on around 10km/h.
Apply for a review at Fines Victoria. They will most likely let you off.
To me it would make an absolute mockery of the law to allow a person deliberately diving at 118km/h in a 110 zone to get off without punishment.
It's a warning, you can't ask police to be psychic in regards to drivers intentions so there is a warning system for those drivers who may of made a mistake (or know how to temporarily game the system) and will try to be more aware.
I think it strikes a happy medium.
It kind of blows the argument of VIC being a total revenue raiser state out of the water if there is a built in system of warnings for low level offences in this specific instance. You just need to be aware that you can request it. And then you can't request it again for another number of years.
Unfortunately there are many of us speeding out there. If police would police every one of us that speeds more than 5 km/h, they would never go past the first intersection.
It's a mockery of common sense, and understanding of vehicle dynamics and decades and decades of road use throughout the world to fine people for doing 118km/h in a 110km/h zone.
no sympathy. pay up and move on
Speed limits are too low. I've only been driving for 4 years or so and have already seen main roads go from 80 to 70 to 60, it's insane. And how are the millions of dollars raised from speeding fines actually being used? We need better driver education, the current system of do 20 hours of actual driving, fake 100 in the book, go for your test and bam you're off to the races is bullshit.
And yet people in QLD are lobbying to reduce speed limits in certain areas ….. (crash hotpots) I don't think you should be blaming the government for reductions in speed limits but more so the local community asking for the change. And also blame your fellow drivers who contribute to the crash statistics… If everyone drove fine and never crashed, I don't think speed limit reduction would ever have been a big deal.
Welcome to the Nanny State
What is the threshold at which you say.. alright I was going too fast and I should deserve to pay the fine? What if going over by 5km/h is fine.. then next we would be saying… WTF I was only 6km/h WTF? Then going over 6km/h would be ok because its so close to five BUT NOPE WTF its only 7km/h how can the government be such tight asses.. Repeat this infinite times.. WTF I was only going at the speed of light here!
Perhaps the threshold should be a % which would make more infinitely more sense.
Unlucky. I got let off on a 96km in an 80km zone once.
Nah, don't see this happening in recent times. How long ago was this?
November 2016. First offence ever and I'm not Victorian.
Victoria - The Nanny State
No wonder people who come from overseas get done for speeding. We are one of the most strictest enforcers of speed in the world. Imagine VicPolice reallocated all the Highway Patrol cars from hiding behind the bushes to catch speeders, to actually patrolling the streets to make it safer from all the home invasions and ram-raid robberies. We might actually have a chance of becoming a safe place to live again.
If you're going to speed, don't complain when you get fined.
If you want to learn the road rules talk to VIC Roads. The 10% thing you're talking about has never existed in VIC. This is the sort of silly information you get asking everyday dipshits about the law.
2-3km/h deduction is your leniency. That's all there has ever been in VIC.
Note limits quoted here no longer apply… "The 10% thing you're talking about has never existed in VIC" yes it did…."2-3km/h deduction is your leniency. That's all there has ever been in VIC" wrong again get our facts straight DIPSHIT . "The enforcement threshold for speed cameras was originally the posted speed limit plus 10% plus 3 km/h. It is now 9 km/h (ie. a vehicle is booked at a measured speed of 10 km/h over the posted limit). A machine tolerance of 3 km/h is then applied to reduce the measured speed to the alleged speed quoted on infringement notices. The current policy was introduced by Victoria Police on 14 February 1993" https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/archive/rsc/DEMERIT/demeri…
Almost everytime I drive I see someone driving dangerously. I would rather dangerous driving targeted than 8% the limit over speeding.
Thats less profitable though
Victoria is the or one of the nanny states.
If a 4yr old ran at 11km in a school car park, theyd probably get fined and suspended for life
I don't think a 4 year old is allowed in the school car park in the first place, unsupervised… Well when I was younger those areas were the "out of bounds area"
I think I once saw a undercover cop in the car park with the speed gun in Vic measuring how Fast the kids were running
May or may not be entirely true……
I have ( just can't find it ) a hotwheel speed camera, did exactly that with my kids.
people can be driving below speed limits but with unsafe gaps with the cars in front and back, it is useless.
Not much love here for the OP. haha
I have always heard that Vic was the worst for going over the limit followed by nsw, then QLD where you can pretty much do 10km over and not worry.
You could get yourself some technology so you know when they are coming, or do the speed limit, but getting places faster is more enjoyable.
Wow there are so many perfect drivers on here who never ever go over the speed limit, even by a few kms. I agree with OP. 115 in 110 zone is hardly dangerous. What's more dangerous are people doing way below the speed limit and sticking in the right lane. Fine excessive IMO.
The speed limit here is just another indicator of the nanny state. Compared to other countries the limit is actually very low and getting lower. The latest excuse I heard was that there were too many 10km/h changes on one long stretch of road so they made it all 80 or 60. Because people couldn't be expected to just drive at 80/70? So yeah lets make it 60 in parts now then jump to 80! Sigh.
I've always wondered they always crap on about keeping the roads safe bla bla bla
Imagine if all proceeds were donated to charity would they so keen to issue fines left right and centre
Not bad, it will reduce my 20 min commute down to 5mins. If I do get fined for doing 100 in a 60 zone, at least it was for a good cause, I helped a charity.
Tax Deduction maybe….
Less than 10km over, ask for the fine to be converted into a warning. As long as you don't have another driving infringement from the past two years should all be ok.
I think it is an indictment of our legal system that this is how many crimes are treated these days. Way too much leniency.
Oh so you hospitalised that guy after coward punching him from behind? Ok, well suspended sentence, don't do it again (for the next 18 months) or you will do 12 months gaol.
..umm so ok, the guy then effectively received no punishment for hospitalising a guy without cause?
No wonder gangs run amok in Melbourne.. they pick the right state to get away with it…
Lol, 5 I mean 8km over and it's the end of western civilisation!
VIC Pol are happy to recognise that mistakes do happen, give you a warning and ask that you be aware and considerate of the rules and your fellow drivers. I don't see that as a bad thing.
It's an indictment of our legal system to be fining people doing 115 in a 110 zone.
In any other country you'd be laughed at for suggesting something so stupid.
I agree with you, but it's in the wrong thread.
You mispelt “king hit”
Nothing “kingly” about sucker punching people. Only cowards and pussies sucker punch people.
No, not at all. But that’s what it’s been called for decades.
Changing the name won’t do anything.
10 years.
But, 5 km over in a 110 km zone!?
8km over.
the speedos are usually calibrated at +7% error margin by manufacturer, minimum +2% by Australian standards rules (or it was few years back). If you take that into account, the OP's speedo was showing around 126 km/h in 110 zone.
What did you have your cruise control set at?
I have used a gps to find my true speed limit at 60, 100, 110 klms and my speedo is out by 3 klms on the low side of indicated.
I set the cruise at the indicated speed knowing I am under, I am aware of picking up speed on a long downhill run even with the gearbox on my Falcon (ZF 6 speed auto) using descent control to pull back the increase and drive to limit overruns.
Other than that I can turn off the cruise control and keep the car on the money using right foot the same as everyone can.
This constant debate about camera fines is always controversial is it revenue raising or for safety or both.
The fallacy of the perceived 10 percent leeway rule has created a conscious she'll be right attitude to speeding that many ppl set a cruise control to 10 percent more to get the most out of it just by habit.
these same "careful" drivers that "have never had an accident in xxx years" (but caused many) are then same ppl who will still do 110 k in a 110 k zone in torrential rain, fog or snow as they have the right to drive as they pay rego, are licensed and of course pay taxes LOL
I know someone that for done relying on a GPS as their speedometer. It didn't take into account going up/down hills ie. at those moments your car traverses distances when looking at it from above at a slower rate, making it seem, via the GPS, that you're going slower than you actually are. This was many years ago, maybe technology has changed?
As long as you have a GPS lock of 4 or more satellites, you should be able to do "3D" positioning that includes geometric "up" and "down". At the end of the day, speed measurements are basically a vector in euclidean space and the GPS works on calculated time to receive signals from these satellites that determine x/y/z axis.
Thats why I refuse to drive anywhere unless I have at least 4 satellites tracking me at any one time.
That was why I mentioned the descent control capability of the car and the need to be aware it does creep
According to the research I've seen, speeding only really becomes dangerous at 15kph over and 20kph under at highway speeds. The research the police choose to use is outdated but also very profitable.
I was in NSW recently and A guy mentioned he was also originally from the "Peoples Republic of Victoria". I am still laughing because we were talking about speed cameras and cops hiding behind the bushes and so on. If only they would print the speed in the middle of the road like NSW so I don't have to keep looking for the DAMN speed signs.
10% of 110km is 11km, totaling to 121km. You're not the only one driving on the road. If you want to speed driving, drive in a car race track not on public road.
The rule is not going over the speed limit. The speed limit (in your case) is 110km, not 121km (10% leniency) or whatever leniency percentage you wish there is.
"I was speeding, I don't dispute that, & I'm hoping to get out of it because of a clean record." —Geeeezzz, how self-entitled people can be..
"$201 is very expensive considering I was doing 5 km over on a freeway!" — Do you think the fine is determined by how much you drove over the speed limit…????!!!
Do you think the fine is determined by how much you drove over the speed limit
Errr… yes. The more you drive over the limit, the more you pay.
Can someone clarify the rules?
If your detected speed is 3kmh or more over the posted speed limit, then yes hello fine.
But, 5 km over in a 110 km zone!?
Yep! Sad isn't it.
$201 is very expensive considering
Starts at $201…. only goes up from there.
even with being attentive you can very easily be at a speed that may get you a ticket,
its not hard and doesn't take but a moment for the speed you travel at to vary by 5k's or so.
While I subscribe to 'do the crime then do the time, pay the fine' etc,
it can suck that you may be travelling at the limit, not speeding, being attentive etc and
then for that second you vary a bit over, you may get pinged for speeding.
Where if a person is intentionally speeding or knowing they are pushing their luck by travelling at the 8 to 10 klm over hoping it should be ok,
well they deserve everything they get as they know they may get caught.
Also, slow drivers are also dangerous, not just for speed differential, but for the drivers that are stuck behind.
then as commented previously, right hand lane drivers that should be in the left lane,
people speeding up when overtaking lanes appear then slow down right after.
There are a lot of rules/regulations etc that should be the same throughout Australia,
its ludicrous that states have such variation, we are One Country after all.
I got a ticket from the VIC Police before too (but managed to get out of it on an accounting technicality) that the rules in Victoria is they will book 3km/h over the limit based on TRUE speed rating (ie. Not your speedo in your car). As said many times, the speedo in your car is deliberately tuned down by up to 5% so 100km/h on the speedo by law, will mean 95-98km/h in most cars. So realistically if you do over 107km/h (according to your speedo) in a 100km/h zone, then they can book you.
I believe it is a bit more lenient in NSW - legally allowed to be 10% over (Speedo wise) when overtaking so that is where most of the fines come in at.
Guys I just killed someone and got done for murder! Wtf I thought they let you off the first time!
Yeah nice try Borce. Off to trial you go.
It's all about the money mate, got nothing to do with the speed. Just stick to 5 km/hr below the speed limit to stop yourself contributing to the tax raising avenues.
Why not just stick to the limit? You could even stick to +2-3 km/hr over the limit because of the leeway you get.
You have never, ever had any moment of inattention? Could you potentially go over 2km/h during these moments?
Apparently Not. Good for you.
I do have moments of inattention, not once did I state that I was some sort of robot.
Your reply is pretty nonsensical, obviously if you were to do 2-3km/hr over the limit you'd have to pay more attention than usual. Not that it's really that hard or takes a lot of time to glance down at your speedo.
But the last time I got a speeding ticket was like 3 years ago because driving at the limit isn't something that I find difficult to do.
@Ghost47: Got speeding ticket- says: because driving at the limit isn't something that I find difficult to do.
Evidence suggests otherwise.
@TheMostHated: One ticket in my 10+ years of driving, yeah I think that's a good indication that I don't find it hard to stick to the limit. But hey, just because I got a ticket once in 10+ years of driving, it must indicate that I find it soooo hard to stick to the limit LOL. Oh and by the way, that 10+ years is not like I drive only on weekends or only 15 minutes each day, I commute 1.25 hours each day. But hey, you obviously have seen me drive, been in the car with me on drives and know my driving habits so well that your assumptions about the "evidence" (i.e. one single piece of driving data out of the thousands of days I have been on the road) must be right LOL.
I also got done in an area where I could never imagine the speed would be 40 km/hr (Warrigal Rd Chadstone).
You have never, ever had any moment of inattention?
To answer this again, not really. When I drive I focus on driving — as I said, one ticket from 10+ years of being on the road is a pretty good record, something that you overlooked in your reply. I think driving manual actually helps with that a lot. Just because you can't pay attention to your speed when you drive doesn't mean that everyone else is like that. It must be annoying getting speeding tickets regularly, ouch. Maybe you should look for a driving instructor, I don't know if they can help with attitude problems though.
I think this is very rough.
In SA I believe you get 10% leniency, but in Vic I always thought it was 5%. Therefore I would think you would have to go 6km over. Obviously not.
Basically it means if speed limit is 110km/h you go 105km/h. Just to stay on the safe side.
I sympathise with the OP. The speed tolerance in Victoria is unnecessarily low and the fines are excessively high. It only takes a brief moment for your speed to creep into an offence bracket. How is anyone supposed to focus on the road when we've all got our eyes glued to the speedometer? This strict enforcement just leads to accusations of revenue raising which erodes trust in the government and police force.
Most of the dangerous driving I see does not involve excessive speed, and this 'speed-myopia' risks ignoring all the other causes of serious road accidents (e.g. failing to give way, unsafe merging, fatigue).
Speed kills. its about your safety and more importantly, other peoples safety.
I hope you learnt your lesson.
michael schumaker must be a mass murderer then
Since when was there ever a 10% leniency?
In other states. The problem is the rules aren't country wide.
i believe you can apply for a warning once every two years.
Victoria Police have been notoriously hard-nosed about speed limits since (before) I lived in Victoria in the late 70s. It used to that their Country Roads Authority (or whatever they were called) could also book you for speeding - so you had two types of vehicles to keep an eye out for.
My advice to the OP - pay up, you were speeding, and you were caught. Don't speed.
In NSW we have the 10% leniency so you can stick your cruise control on 129km/h. That way you get value for money in the event that you do get pulled over.
Is there a 117.2km/h zone in NSW?
No, but it falls in the 0-10km/h speeding bracket.
So by going 129km/h in a 110km/h zone you avoid going into the 21-30km/h bracket (where you definitely will be pulled over) while maximising your speed to $ fine ratio in the 11-20km/h bracket (where you are unlikely to be pulled over because it's not cost efficient for HWP).
However, fixed cameras and mobile speed camera vans will book you at 11-20km/h over limit so don't use this theory around them. :P
In the UK, the tolerance level of the speed limit "+10% +2 mph, ex in km (100km x 10%) + 2km = 12km
In Germany, there is no speed limit on the freeway.
Now compare the level of population + accident rate in 3 countries. money grabbing for sure
Someone has to pay for their Bruno Mars tickets….I am pretty sure they appreciate your contribution.
There are already 0 tolerance for the point to point cameras