First Home Buyer need your advice, house auction with conditional offer

Hello everyone,

I am an invisible ozbargainer for nearly 3 years, only asking in some AMAs, this is my first post asking you for your advice.

I am in VIC, and will go to a house auction next month.
The house will be sold around 800k based on my estimation, I have 450k deposit, earning 70k annually.
My contract is fixed-term 1 year but for a famous organisation and I am likely to have my contract switched to on-going, therefore only this bank agreed to give me a conditional offer while others banks required me 1 years working period from now. I really like this house and would like to buy it despite higher rate.
I have a conditional offer with 4.25% for 480k with following terms:

  • Verifying your financial information (already sent them my payslip as proof)
  • Confirming with you that the proposed loan meets your requirements and objectives;
  • Conducting a valuation of the property if required;
  • Confirming whether or not you need Lenders’ Mortgage Insurance or a Low Deposit
    Premium;
  • Providing a loan offer to you (if you enter into a contract to purchase a property before then, there is no guarantee we will make the offer).

The problem is, based on house auction rules, I have to pay 10% deposit (which means 80k), but the bank does not guarantee to give me a loan after that.
Here are some of my questions:

  • Are there any chance that the bank do some 'trick', refusing the loan offer, to push me in financial difficulties to rip me off by increasing home loan rate? (this bank used to offer me a $5500 car insurance while AAMI offers $1000, therefore I had bad impression)
  • What is the maximum action price that I can bid to ensure the bank loan offer for not over-bidding the house?
  • Are there anything, any risks that I did not mentioned? Are there any better options for me?

Thanks Ozbargainers, best regards!

Comments

  • +8

    Firstly congratulations! That's a fantastic deposit to have towards your home!

    The following comments are based on the information you have provided and may not cover every eventuality.

    Some of these conditions are pretty standard eg valuation if required… depending on the location of the property and the bank's policies, they may not actually conduct a valuation but rely instead on purchase price. Still if you're only looking to borrow 60% of the purchase price you should be okay. All the same I'd ask them if they have any restrictions on the area or type of property you're wanting to buy.

    I am assuming that the property is in good condition, not located under / near high voltage electricity lines/ towers, not subject to mines subsidence, all additions or extensions council approved etc.

    Also the LMI or LDP are just basic warnings and in your case should not apply.

    Confirmation of the loan meeting your objectives is pretty straightforward and not something to worry about.

    Verifying your financial information is a bit more involved than just looking at your payslip though. I don't know exactly what you have provided at this point, so will tell you the sorts of docs I'd be looking for if I worked for your bank (I do work for a mortgage provider, but not a bank:-) )
    Firstly as you are a contractor I'd be looking for consistency of income eg I would want to confirm your earnings for the 2018 and 2017 financial years. Secondly I would be perusing your bank statements, looking for evidence of undisclosed debts. Next I would be checking your credit report and investigating any recent enquiries.

    I would also be looking at the source of your deposit, whether it's savings, sale of asset, or gift….

    As for over-bidding - if you have a total of $930k from loan and own funds, you need to make sure that it will be sufficient to cover your purchase price as well as your costs. Work out what the stamp duty, conveyancing and registration fees will be and include things like cost of moving, to ensure you can cover them out of funds available. Deduct these costs from your $930k and what's left is the absolute maximum you can bid. DO NOT leave yourself short; you don't want to be scrambling at the last minute trying to sell your car or borrow from family to cover a shortfall at settlement, or even worse, have the settlement fall through! Better to leave yourself some wiggle room in case your expenses are higher than you expect. No harm in keeping a couple of thou towards any changes you want to make to the property as well.

    Don't worry too much about the interest rate. You may be signing a 30 year loan agreement but there's nothing stopping you from switching out to another bank if your work circumstances stabilise. Provided you've not chosen a fixed rate loan there are very minimal costs involved in switching these days, and once you meet the requirements of other banks (at least one year remaining on contract etc) you should be able to find a variable rate lower than 4%pa.

    Good luck!

    • Thank you heaps mate, that's very kind of you, I will remember your wise words about do not leave myself short.

      The property is in heritage area but I have no plan for renovation or building in the near future, the current condition was good, I already went to the city council to consult and they actively gave me a list of bullet point of do and don't.

      I will also notice about high voltage electricity, radio tower nearby, subsidence, pests and termite in the next inspection with a professional house inspector next inspection with me.

      About the rate lower than 4%pa, I have brought a broker to find me a better deal or counter-negotiate with the bank yesterday.

      My parents supported me with the deposit, I have to pay the rest by myself. I have fixed term contract because I am a fresh graduate, based on what's I have known, if I worked well in this contract, I am likely to receive an on-going one.

      The crucial key to ease all the pain is my employment, if I try my best then it will be alright as you said "once you meet the requirements of other banks (at least one year remaining on contract etc) you should be able to find a variable rate lower than 4%pa". and I will.

  • +1

    That is an amazing deposit for a 70k income.

    Nothing much to offer but to congratulate on some fantastic saving - that is a pretty high interest rate though. You should be able to find 0.5% better than that without trying very hard at all!

    • +3

      I have 450k deposit, earning 70k annually.

      These numbers doesn’t add up. The average saving on net income is ~12%. A person on a $70k gross income is unlikely to have accumulated a $450k deposit without funding from external sources.

      • Yes lol

        Unless OP is around 40 buying his first house

        • Perhaps op did a few years in mining before moving vic to start importing goods from sea.

      • +1

        I've lived out of home since I was 18 and I saved 100k under 4 years years on a similar income with zero help from parents.

        It all depends on how responsible you are with money - clearly OP is.

        • That'd still take OP about 16-20 years to save up. So again, unless OP is 40…

        • sensei, I have to learn more from you, I tried hard to control my spending and got a few saving, but you will be my new role-model!

      • i saved 40k pa on similar income by living with family

        but after got my own place … all the extra bills & mortgage eats up every month, saving little compared to before.

    • My parents supported me with the deposit, I have to pay the rest by myself, therefore I am very humble at the moment. I will try hard so that my son/daughter could benefit from my support as my parent did for me. I will also make the most out of my time to worth my parents' support.

      • My parents supported me with the deposit,

        This could be an issue with lending practices tightening.

  • +2

    Get a broker!!!! Danni at Oxford Street Finance is incredible! Works with these financial situations all the time.

    • I almost forgot to get the broker until yesterday, now they are helping me to get my best deal. I can confirm that if we did our research homework and get the broker at the same time, the negotiation will be much higher than working alone. Thank you

  • Prepare all documents and submit for application, you shouldn't have issues with getting an pre approval prior to auction since U already know the property U intend to buy.

    Not sure how many lenders you have approached, U shouldn't have issues with most lender policies if you have been working in the same industry and considered a qualified professional .. no gaps in employment history etc. Most lenders will be ok with that so not sure why U think U need to pay extra interest. Without knowing Ur full circumstances whether it's PPOR or INV, 4.25 interest is still considered a little steep compared to others.

    • Thank you, I am thinking about a counter offer of 3.7 to 3.8%, I thought I met enough lender until I post this on Ozbargain

  • I hope you have kids already, your repayments are definitely feeling like 30 years of fish sauce and rice.

    • agree!, that's a rip off, do you think 3.7 to 3.8% is a good range in my case?

  • +2

    Buy a house for 400k and don't borrow any money.

    • +1

      buy 4 cheaper properties with 100k deposit and rent them out

      • do you think it's harder to rent a remote house valued at 100k each? I am inexperienced in Victoria geography, if you have 400k where should you buy your 4 houses sensei?

    • I am in love with the melbourne CBD and inner suburbs hence I will live nearby to participate in arts event and cultural festivals. But I am curious about where to buy house and rent it to people with a price range of 400k, could you teach me sensei

      • small student apartments

  • +1

    Are there any chance that the bank do some 'trick', refusing the loan offer

    Yes

  • +1

    The Banks are at their core simple entities, they don't want to lose money, they want to make money.

    A $450k deposit on a $800k property covers the Bank very nicely against downward prices and deliquency. They won't lose money.

    They could try tricks but unless your application is not genuine they should grant the loan.

    • thank you @tsunamisurfer, fair and square

  • On a side note - instead of 80K deposit, have you considered using a bank guarantee / deposit bond?

    e.g. https://www.westpac.com.au/business-banking/business-loans/a…

    https://www.stgeorge.com.au/personal/insurance/deposit-prote…

    • Not sure about Westpac, but St.George will require you to have formal approval for your loan before issuing a deposit bond.

    • thank you sensei, I didn't know about this, doing some research now

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