Help! Body Corporate Banned Woolies/Coles Deliveries to Door - Can They Do This? UPDATE (resolved!)

Ok I'm so mad right now….hoping the wise counsel of OzBargainers can come through for me.

Background: I rent an apartment in a luxury high rise apartment building. The building is inhabited by a lot of wealthy owner occupier retirees who have nothing better to do with their time than enjoying ruling over their fiefdom. Usually I just ignore their pettiness because I'm too busy working hard to pay my expensive rent and the location and quality of my apartment outweighs moving.

Current situation:
A few months back, the body corporate created a rule that no takeaway food delivery drivers (eg. Uber eats) were allowed past the ground foyer 24 hour concierge desk. We were instructed that we would have to come down and collect all orders instead of them being allowed to our apartment door. This was done in the name of "security". This pissed me off, but since I don't order food too often, I sucked it up and went with it.

One thing I do order online for delivery is Woolworths grocery orders. At the time however, we were told these were excluded from the rules.

Switch to today….I am at home on parental leave with my newborn baby, sleep deprived and my baby is not well. Woolworths order arrives. I buzz them up. On the way my driver gets abused by a neighbour on my floor (who I've never met). He is told he is not allowed up to make deliveries. i call the concierge immediately and they tell me the body corporate have just expanded the No Door Delivery Rule to include Coles and Woolworths orders. I tell him I can't collect the orders from downstairs because a) I can't lift the orders myself and b) I have a newborn baby so totally impractical for me to leave my apartment.

He tells me to contact the building manager but says there is nothing he can do.

I find out from him the apartment number of the neighbour who complained about me.

SO I'm obviously fuming but decide to take a deep breath before confronting my neighbour and sending an abusive email to the building manager.

What is the sensible way to deal with this? I order from Woolworths weekly. Can body corporates make rules like this? It's not in my rental agreement? Can I fight it?

TL;DR Body corporate of my luxury high rise apartment building where I rent has banned woolworths delivery drivers from delivering groceries to the doors of apartments. At home with newborn baby so can't collect from the lobby every time I order. Can I fight this?

UPDATE
As per PizzaBoy's advice (thank you!) I wrote to the building manager requesting documentation of this new " rule". I also added some commentary around my current newborn situation and requested a solution. Also put a few light references to my current physical "disability" (total truth as I have back problems now as a result of pregnancy/birth) because as per some comments on this thread suggested, there must be a potential discrimination case there too.

He came back with zero documentation and completely ignored that question - PizzaBoy originally suggested to me that it is highly doubtful they actually have this rule legally documented and binding. I suspect this is indeed correct!

He then proceeded to say he would grant me an "exception to the rule" and inform concierge that all grocery orders are to be allowed up to my door!

So massive win, though am still concerned about neighbours going off at my drivers but I figure if it happens again, I'll ask the building manager to deal with it since he granted the exception.

A big thank you to PizzaBoy who taught me to always ask for things in writing! And to everyone in this thread for your encouraging (and sometimes hilarious) ideas on how to respond. Rest assured if my exception is removed at any point I'll be taking a squeaky trolley down there, blocking the lifts and leaving groceries all over the lobby floor - all supported by a crying baby!

Comments

      • +1

        Given how painful these matters with body corporates can be, this would at least put you in a position where you:
        * Are seen to be trying to work within the rules.
        * In a position to politely ask anyone guileless enough to complain to your face to volunteer to help by taking over from the delivery guy. Put the clowns in a position where they're faced with either backing down, or be in a position where they may be expected to help going forward, I'd expect many to back off :)

    • This is an excellent idea, also read my suggestion above to get groceries delivered when husband is at home, or family/friend is over.

  • -3

    I don't see any point complaining to/about your neighbour who complained.
    If it is a rule, and you broke it, then they were entirely within their rights.
    If it is a rule, you either get it changed, live with it, or move.

    • +22

      Rule or not, you don t know the struggle until you got yourself a newborn. Imagine yourself just going through childbirth and trying to recover and then have to lift groceries and other things when you are sleep deprived, running out of time for even having a proper meal or looking after yourself?! I feel for op and hope she can manage to find a deal with the building management. I remembered that when i was living in a a building with a 24hr concierge, the person at the reception used to escort the delievry person to my door and will always help to collect parcels and delivered it for me.

      • +2

        I'm going to channel Bill Burr on this subject: The most difficult job on the planet.

      • +3

        Why can't the husband get the shopping instead of getting it delivered?

        • Maybe she is single? I haven't seen her mention a partner.

        • Isn't there a phrase or something that says "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle ? "
          Gotta avoid upsetting the lefties. If she is single she needs to adjust to life and start getting practice doing things herself without help.

          Having a baby involves responsibility

      • +1

        Thanks for the thoughtful comment. Soooo true. I'm a first time mum as well and baby is not well :(

        Your old building concierge sounds great! They are not the most helpful here :(

      • +1

        Not just the exhaustion. You don't want to have to wake the baby if it finally got to sleep to go downstairs and collect groceries.

      • +1

    • +3

      To be fair, the new rule had not been publicized anywhere.

  • +6

    Judging by the comments from more informed people than I, it seems like the only way to get this overturned would be by getting enough of your neighbours on your side. You could try to talk and reason with them, but the reality is that it will only work on some people, and it doesn't seem like that number will be very large - after all, if people genuinely believe that everyone who comes into the building is likely to be a nuisance/criminal, then that's a position you can't move someone out of with logic. Furthermore, it would weaken your ability to do option 2……

    Convince them that they should overturn the ruling not with dialogue, but in practice. As others have mentioned, you should abide by these rules and make the process of retrieving your shopping from concierge as much of a nuisance as possible - taking multiple trips with a loud baby, rustling and clunking of bags (would recommend "accidentally" knocking bags with objects like tins against the doors of the annoying neighbours as you walk past), holding up the elevator for a good stretch of time, etc etc. They can't prevent you from accessing your apartment, so there's no recourse for them to stop you. When they inevitably complain, don't make this an oppositional thing like "well, I'm forced to do this because of you", instead make it seem like you're neutral or even on their side "sorry about that, it just takes me a while to get these up whilst looking after my baby. This is the easiest way I can do it since there's no one to help me". You can bet that they'd sooner change their mind on the delivery drivers assisting with delivery to the door than lend a helping hand.

    • Yes absolutely agree. Trying to speak logic to people here is tough….you should have seen the debate they had about the placement of gym equipment in the gym….

      If I want to fight the "make the rule a nuisance" sounds like the best option. Love some of the ideas you've given me!

      • My rebellion side agrees with this, however, they can issue your landlord which ultimately be passed onto you, a bylaw breach "nuisance". Most of these elderly people do not have much going on in their lives and like to exhort influence and micromanagement of things that they should ultimately mind their own business about.

  • +9

    I am at home on parental leave with my newborn baby

    are you able to breastfeed in the foyer? if you can then you may want to try that a few times while waiting for a delivery.

    • LOL….there's some comfy seats…

      • +9

        If some of the residents don’t like delivery people going to the units then there is a chance they don’t like seeing breastfeeding in the foyer. Do it enough and they may complain to the oc. The oc may ask you to stop. You’ll then have the opportunity to reply to the oc in writing that you’ve no choice but to continue breastfeeding in the foyer because of the current delivery ban. Ask them to remove the delivery ban and you may stop breastfeeding in the foyer.

        • +16

          Unlike delivery to your door, there's a Federal law ensuring they can't stop you from breastfeeding. I say park yourself in that comfy seat and wait for delivery. If baby's not hungry, why don't you pump some for later? I'm sure the residents will love the whirr schloomp whirr schloomp

        • +1

          @deeevan: This made me laugh, can totally relate to this… Avent for the win.

  • +7

    Put the baby in a pram/stroller/napsack and go down and meet the delivery guy and come back up with him.

  • +9

    Do you have a balcony? Perhaps you could install an electric winch and have your groceries delivered to the bottom of the building?

    • LOL love it!

    • If the strata bans deliveries, I guarantee they've already banned having anything installed on the balcony.

  • +7

    Move somewhere else.

    • As I said, the location and quality can't be beat…but it is tempting.

      • +2

        nothing worse than having annoying neighbors. you never know what other new rules they'll come up with next (like no noise, including crying baby, after 6pm because it's past their bed time)?

  • +1

    I would fight for this to be removed, with the mindset that it won’t be, and then suggest as a backup, parcel lockers in the building, with access to refrigerated lockers. This would be an acceptable meet in the middle.

    • One, I'm not sure refrigerated lockers are a thing… are they? But more importantly the most logical place for them would be the lobby. Which wouldn't help OP at all…

      • +2

        They are, actually. Mostly being installed in private buildings (for this reason), but also likely to be rolled out in public parcel locker locations soon.

        I understand it’s a hassle for OP to get to the lobby, but having a 3 or so hour window after delivery to get there makes it less of a hassle. OP would be able to wait until it suits the baby to go down, rather than having to go down instantly when delivery arrives (a pain if the baby is asleep or being fed, etc.)

        The lockers would just provide an additional level of flexibility for OP that they don’t have now.

    • Really great idea. But too hard to implement retrospectively as not enough space in the lobby.

  • +21

    PM me. Your OC can’t just make new official rules like this without a special resolution.

    You have the right to invite whoever you want to your private lot. I very much doubt what they’re doing is legal.

    • +5

      ”You have the right to invite whoever you want to your private lot“

      That is what I thought. So if someone wears a uniform and brings a package or delivery they can’t come up? What if my friend works for coles online and brings my shopping when they visit for a coffee? Do I have to come downstairs to collect the shopping, then they change, then they’re invited up?

      • +1

        I know. I don't get it either. I'm especially annoyed as they didn't publicize this new rule so didn't know, and I felt bad for my woolies driver getting abused by my evil neighbor as a result.

      • +8

        someone wears a uniform and brings a package

        Bow chika wow wow…

        • +1

          Exactly, I don’t want to have to go downstairs to the lobby for this kind of visitor… ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°

        • +1

          @jjjaar:

          …I don’t want to have to go down… for this kind of visitor…

          You're the customer. Whatever pleases you ;)

    • I was hoping someone would come through on the legality angle. Will PM you.

    • +6

      PizzaBoy is a champ

  • Can someone define "luxury high rise apartment building" to me?

    I know a lot of apartments in the city have penthouses that sell in the millions but with people also renting the lower levels for $300 per week.

    • It's qualitative for sure. but where I'm based and knowing the apartment market incredibly well, there are only maybe 10 truly elite apartment buildings that you'd live in if you had a certain budget available. No apartment in these buildings would rent for $300 a week.

    • You mean penthouses and the people living in the foundation for $300/pw.

      • Poor mobster victims - already put in the cement, and now they have to pay for the privilege?

        • It's a luxury to not be swimming with the fishes eh?

  • +5

    Id shit in your neighbours mail box

    • +1

      Hardcore but if i had more guts I'd consider it lol!

      • +1

        Perhaps your baby would shit in it?

    • +2

      Mail boxes in apartment buildings are typically a small horizontal slit that can be fairly high off the ground.

      It's a logistics puzzle… Not that I've tried.

      • +4

        The new born would be on a liquid diet. Just bring a funnel.

    • OH Your a push notifier Hey

  • +3

    Tell the buding manager the Woolies driver is a boyfriend and he has a kink for uniforms and food play.

    • +1

      ROFL

    • Wouldn't it just be easier to wear the uniforms and have food play with the building manager.

      Otherwise he'd get the wrong idea when it's a different delivery person each week.

  • +2

    Can you make friends with the Woolies delivery driver? That way it's not a delivery, just a visit from a good mate that likes to bring your groceries up for you. :)

  • +1

    got a balcony?

    haul it up from outside.

  • +2
    1. For any change to the body corporate rule it would typically require an AGM or EGM. If you are a renter then you obviously dont get a vote.
    2. Also as a renter you need to abide by the body corporate rules.
    3. I suspect it would be hard to enforce by the body corporate in any case as each owner of a property on "on the body corporate".
  • +3

    How come you started using Woolworths again?

    • +1

      Cashrewards suckered me in mate as no Coles available! Also got a free 6 month delivery saver and a bunch of discount codes. Coles could not beat it. Woolies have upped their game massively though so I'll have to eat my previous words!

  • +2

    crappy neighbours…

    I wonder if you can place an order for click and collect, then put it on airtasker for the pickup and delivery. I see posting for this type of service. If its a big shop then it would be worth it.

    Then when they come by to your place just tell them to say they are a friend.

    The bylaws can stop delivery companies, but they cannot stop "friends" :)

    good luck!

    • The friends would have to change their clothes before coming up.

  • Which state are you in?

  • +1

    Sorry mate don’t call it luxury unless you mean luxury prison, your apartments sucks! I would rather prefer to live in woods where I’ve freedom than that zoo, where you pay big dollars but can’t receive a delivery. Lol. Forgive me if I am disrespectful with anyone.

    • Sounds like luxury to me if it weeds out the people that don't conform to the rules.

    • Well it's certainly luxury with limits :(

  • +3

    We live in a similar sounding community of retired wealthy bitter old farts that have nothing better to do than enforce rules and stew on them all day and night.

    Been here ten years, on to our third child. Always docked the pram tucked around a corner on the ground floor as there’s no lift to carry upstairs.
    Recently we were asked to remove our pram from common property. My wife wrote a very personal email explaining the circumstances and why it was unreasonable and unsafe to expect the pram to be carried upstairs. She requested it be distributed to all owners and brought to discussion at the next agm. Also requested that a realistic alternative be presented by the owners corporation.

    They then granted permission in writing for the pram to remain there. One owner later said “all you have to do is ask”

    TLDR : try writing a letter seeking an exception while your baby is a newborn and your circumstances are as they are. Give an expected timeline.

    Alternatively our woolies kicks ass and if we do click and collect they bring it out to the car while baby sleeps in it woo!

    • We store our pram in the garage for this reason. We must be living in similar building complex.

    • Glad I'm not alone with this kind of experience!

      I'm definitely going to try and negotiate directly with the OC if it comes to it. I've emailed the building manager for a copy of the rules to try and gain more clarity on my legal rights. Getting some useful assistance from people in this thread.

  • Surely they are required to tell you when they change the rules? I'm sorry this happened, it's the (profanity) worst when you've been up every 20 minutes throughout the night to have something like this happen. I'd give the relevant renters association a call and ask (or get your non sleep deprived partner or a friend to ring) what your rights are here.

    If you have no course of action and are surrounded by the usual unsympathetic sorts, leave your groceries downstairs until you can get them. I suspect the rules will change pretty quickly when enough people can't get their groceries immediately. It would be absolutely shite for the concierge office to be filled with peoples groceries when the Coles/Woollies service delivers them to tenants doors with no charge. I'd also make a complaint to the body corporate, I really don't think that's reasonable - if the delivery driver can show ID and sign in then it shouldn't be an issue.

    • +2

      It probably would've been sent to all owners, and as they are tenants did not receive this notification.

    • they have a monthly newsletter and an app for residents but no notice of this new rule in either which is annoying but I've emailed the building manager to gain more info.

  • +7

    as a person who has done uber/other food delivery services you should be going down to collect the food at the foyer in these style places. most of the time these places are really confusing. you get there need to call to get buzzed up then there is some silly system that wont let u use the elevator till u call them again then you get up to the place finally and you dont get a tip.

    • +2

      I do collect my uber eats but groceries is not practical

    • +1

      As a person who did that, were you often allowed in apartment buildings that had 24 concierge/security?

      I was surprised it was allowed, then I did wonder why would the deliverer even do that, that's time consuming

      I always meet downstairs

      • hmm well i think i only ever went to places with automated entries, like no personal. and i could get buzzed in

        maybe in these situations the staff of the building should bring it up?

  • @gourmetfoodie

    Find a website that sells these trolleys everyone keeps mentioning send me the price and your PayPal details.

    • Thanks mate, Appreciate the incredibly generous offer but I realised I already have a market trolley I can use in the worst case. It's two baskets on 4 wheels and can hold a decent amount. But still not practical if baby asleep as I'd feel too scared to leave her alone in the apartment while I go downstairs.

  • +1

    Also remember that not all owners have same powers. Most of the rules are voted by committee members, a few elected owners, the ones who are most likely responsible in making up that ridiculous rule. Even if you manage to get 50% + 1 owners on your side, it may still not be the start of long process to overturn the rule.

  • +1

    I would buy the dodgiest, squeakiest trolley and make the biggest song and dance when picking up your groceries.

    • Lol yes I'll be making a song a dance of it for sure if they force me to resort to that!

  • Surely some of these old fuddy-duddies have carers who deliver their meals and/or groceries?
    What's the difference?

    • Carers are probably classified as "friends". Also I think a lot of them eat every meal out or only buy enough groceries for the day from the local shops so they don't do big home grocery orders.

      • If they have a key, they can be treated differently. If they do not, they're no different to any other non-resident. They can't tell you who your 'friends' are, it's not reasonable. The rule would have to be written, approved by the body corporate and applied equally to all non-residents.

  • +2

    Nope. No way is this reasonable. The body corporate can pass rules but they need to be reasonabke to be enforced. For example, if the body corp passes a rule that people of xyz ethnicity cannot use the pool or people with abc coloured hair need to pay higher levies it is no way reasonable.

    Getting things delivered is part of life. The delivery person is your visitor and you are welcome to have visitors to your home.

    You need to make your own call but if it was me, i would keep doing it and tell them to take action if they want.

    • Yeah I'd like to rebel and keep getting them to come up but I don't want my drivers getting abused by the oldies and the concierge will also try to stop them :(

  • +3

    As parents we somehow coped with two young kids and getting on with everyday chores. My parents did it and so did theirs.

    I hope it all works out for you op. I'm almost certain that it will.

  • +6

    Letter drop some grocery delivery deals, and watch other tenants/owners get caught up in the same mess… the more the merrier/likely to have the rule changed.

  • +5

    Get the concierge - who is being paid at least in part out of your rent - to accept the deliveries on your behalf? Grease the wheels a little if necessary?

  • +2

    Tell them to eat glass.
    Just go downstairs and walk the delivery person to your door, they are your guest.

    My apartment has a private lift lobby, but there is no way to buzz anyone up to my unit.
    Security can let them into the car park and building but I have to go downstairs to left them up.
    Same thing happens with the Tesco deliveries, security lets them into the building but I just have to go down to fetch them up.

    Try that.

    • Will def be trying this when baby awake

  • -5

    How dare they make a rule that protects the residents but inconveniencses your specific situation. Very rude.

  • The security concern is real mate, because you are not in your private house but sharing spaces inside the apartment. The responsibility ball is so big that no body took care of that hence they just banned it. If I am living next door to you, I am not happy to when so many people come and go

    • +4

      So many people? Once a week. What are you afraid of? Being robbed by the Woolworths delivery guy?

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