Uni Student Loses Court Battle over Assignment on Dog Breeds

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/stud...

Can't make this up… all the way to the Vic Supreme Court too.

Monash University student Chinmay Naik failed a video assignment about negative stereotypes around certain dog breeds in 2017 and failed again when it was re-marked.

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Mr Naik had also taken his case to the Victorian Equal Opportunities and Human Rights Commission and the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal

Edit: More details here: https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/5650998/vic-student-hope...

Interesting quotes:

"I've heard from other students who were subject to similar controversial practises," Mr Naik told reporters after representing himself in court on Monday.

"After hearing their stories I felt like I was not just fighting a case for myself. It was for all of them."

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On top of the re-marking issue, he claims he didn't have time to complete the assignment as Monash was hesitant to grant special consideration on mental health grounds.

Comments

  • +42 votes

    $8,000 in court fees in order to waste a whole array of people's time, make a bad name for yourself and to end up deservedly failing the uni subject.
    What an absolute fail.

    • +7 votes

      The first article states that the $8000 was only legal costs:

      Justice Melinda Richards dismissed the case and ordered the aspiring journalist pay the university’s legal costs, understood to be about $8000.

      He really should've had to pay court costs too!

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        He will have paid a filing fee of $1000+. "Court costs" are always paid by someone unless they have a healthcare/pensioners card etc.

    • +1 vote

      look like a cashed up spoiled rich kid or international student?

  • +10 votes

    Really can't understand what he is expecting?
    quotes such as
    "I hope the media will accept me with open arms because I've shown the courage and tenacity to fight for my rights"
    and
    "I've heard from other students who were subject to similar controversial practises"

    What rights? A passing mark is not a right.
    Just as a failing grade is not a controversial practice.

    • +16 votes

      He has shown to virtue signal instead of applying basic common sense.

      He should get in touch with Vox.com.

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        Lol. Vox. The only worthwhile thing that has come out of that is entertainment watching human garbage justify unilateral sharing.

    • +13 votes

      as a former TAFE teacher and p/t Uni Tutor - I can see where he is coming from. I've seen lots of them come through my classes. It's basically "I paid my fees, now pass me (even though I did none of the work)."

      Far too many (not all, not even "most", but still "too many") assume that because they are paying fees, they 'deserve' a pass (or better).

      • +3 votes

        International students are a catch-22 for Universities, if they fail and go home, the Uni loses an income source.

      • +3 votes

        And there is already lot of unspoken pressure on lecturers not to fail students. When I was a uni tutor I was asked to be extremely lenient when marking, especially assignments. Some lecturers have told me to give 50% of the marks for any question a student has attempted, even if the answer made absolutely no sense at all. I guess just the fact of handing in the assignment guaranteed 50%.

        You could create an app for that ! All you need your app to do is create a well formatted document with the original questions and a bunch of random words in-between :P

  • +8 votes

    This must go to the High Court.

  • +21 votes

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/12/supre...

    Markers’ comments described it having “no narrative structure, one shot of overlay, no expert interviews, no clear beginning/middle/end”. “You have submitted a video of 3 vox pops … asking very general and unconnected questions surrounding dogs,” it said. “For what is supposed to be the major assignment of the unit, this fails to meet any of the minimum criteria.”

    What an excellent decision to fight his failing assignment so far that a description of how bad it was became one of the top search results for his name.

  • +13 votes

    lucky his dog didn't eat his homework…..

  • +5 votes

    should have used more star wipes…..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72bUheqRE5o

  • +16 votes

    The judge's response after watching the video in question:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c

    '
    "I award you no points, and may dog have mercy on your soul."

  • +3 votes

    I have been following his case.

    The final verdict is the outcome I have been rooting for.

  • +15 votes

    Wow, the tenacity of the dude. Producing absolute crap and expecting it to be received well. And wasting everybody's time with this process. And having no sense of personal responsibility for his own actions.

    He will make a great journalist.

    • -11 votes

      How do you know he produced crap?

      • +5 votes

        From the Guardian article linked above:

        You have submitted a video of 3 vox pops … asking very general and unconnected questions surrounding dogs,” it said. “For what is supposed to be the major assignment of the unit, this fails to meet any of the minimum criteria.”

        • +7 votes

          That sounds like the assignment a hippie guy in one of my classes submitted back in uni. You were supposed to give a 20min presentation about the topic so what he did was film his stoner mates talking about the topic for 20min.

          The tutor told him to turn it off after the first 10min and failed him lol.

      • +7 votes

        His original mark was 12 out of 100. That easily falls under the grading for crap

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        Like, have you read any comments on this thread at all?

  • +10 votes

    He's probably the same numnuts that posts here for help on car accidents with no insurance

  • +5 votes

    "he claims he didn't have time to complete the assignment as Monash was hesitant to grant special consideration on mental health grounds"

    sounds like the court did the right thing for once

  • +11 votes

    Try getting a job now when future employers Google your name. Fool.

                        • +1 vote

                          @Scrooge McDuck: In case you have not noticed free global movement and settlement rights do not exist. Sometimes ones does not have a choice.
                          You are assuming we are talking about refugees etc. and your comparison holds right if comparing a first world country to a third world country.

                          It does not hold if you compare it to another first world country such as Sweden or Norway - that is when the discrepancies and fallacies of Australia come to light, for example, in relation to equal pay, equal opportunities to look after children (where father get the same rights), liberties, privacy etc.

                          Even if I then followed your advice I could not simply move there (no matter how much I wanted) as I do not have the right to do so. So in that case I would be stuck here. Is it not then natural to try to improve the conditions of your home (whether you choose to be here or cannot move elsewhere) - without criticism problems do not come to light and nothing can change for the better.

                          • +5 votes

                            @Lysander: If Australia is the best country you can reside in, you should appreciate that.

                            If you believe it's a "hell hole", then you would believe that most other countries are better and it is likely that at least one of them would grant you residence.

                            • -1 vote

                              @Scrooge McDuck: That is a very strange conclusion. So if I believe Norway and Sweden are better it is likely one of them would grant me residence??! Why? On what basis? My belief?

                              If you love Australia and want it to prosper you need to embrace constructive criticism, applaud efforts to get rid of discrimination, racism etc. and support all efforts to change for the better - that is my belief and my opinion.

                              • +9 votes

                                @Lysander:

                                So if I believe Norway and Sweden are better it is likely one of them would grant me residence??!

                                No. Describing a country as a "hell hole" places it amongst the worst of all countries, ergo most other countries would be better.

                                You've moved the goalposts a lot.

                                • -5 votes

                                  @Scrooge McDuck: No, I did not.
                                  Let's compare apples with apples.
                                  So let's compare Australia to other first world countries and in that comparison, especially when it comes to privacy and data protection as well as human rights compliance the hell-hole comment has some validity.
                                  So for example, if privacy is important for me, then this is a hell-hole as compared to Sweden, Switzerland, Germany etc.
                                  It goes without saying that Afghanistan as a whole is worse and privacy protection is not even a problem there as other more pressing issues take priority.

                                  I do wonder though why (a) comparison are always made with "worse" countries instead of better ones thus enabling us to learn and get to the higher standard, and (b) I have never ever received a well-founded, unemotional explanation of why Australia is the best country in the world - people simply say it which unfortunately does not make it so.

                                  • +7 votes

                                    @Lysander: The original argument which you were defending described Australia as a "hell hole" without any qualifications. That compares it generally to all others. This was explicitly confirmed by the second sentence comparing it to the "250+[sic] other countries in the world".

                                    How do you know he's looking for a job in this hell hole ? There are 250+ other countries in the world.
                                    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/6461702/redir

                                    But you, on the other hand, are now comparing Australia to a few specific countries on specific issues. That's moving the goalposts.

                                    I am now not surprised that your comments have attracted downvotes. Downvoting should be used to show disapproval where a response isn't warranted. You seem to argue using logical fallacies and will continue ad nauseam. In these cases, downvoting is warranted.

                                    • -1 vote

                                      @Scrooge McDuck: I am not defending anything or anybody. I just said moderation is needed rather than negging people to oblivion for expressing a different opinion. Neither of us knows what happened in this case.
                                      I do believe that the guy is probably right about certain things, based on my own experience at uni (and I won a uni price for my research, had top grades, and was elected on the Academic Board) where a lot of cronyism, dodgy behaviour, sexism, favouritism etc. occurred and a lot of the complaint procedures merely existed as a smokescreen. My advantage was that I have a legal training and hence could effectively negotiate the anti-discrimination claim.

                                      Downvoting is not warranted. I could get twenty of my colleagues and they all downvote you - what does that achieve? Isn't a constructive discussion more meaningful and useful?

                                      The gross misuse of downvoting here is a constant source of discussion and is one main reason why a lot of people stopped posting. I really do not think this is how an open, tolerant, and meaningful discussion and conversation is to be held.

                                      All I am criticising is that you for example, exclusively compare to third-world countries. Yes, they are included in the 250+ countries but so are many other, first world countries where things are better.

                                      But anyway, thanks for the discussion. I accept that obviously there are many people who do not like constructive criticism and want to keep the status quo. That is fine with me. Fortunately, I can actually follow your advice and leave if I so choose, when Australia, in an era of global competition, falls further behind due to developmental standstill.

                                      • +6 votes

                                        @Lysander: Okay, whether Australia is a great country or not aside, you're being hypocritical and I think you're being willfully ignorant about it.

                                        In one post, you defend the right to free speeech - "I might not like or dislike what you say but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it."

                                        In the next post, you are arguing that downvoting (which is a form of speech) is not warranted and does not achieve anything. You go on to discuss how downvoting means that one is not tolerant, open or having a meaningful discussion.

                                        You could say that about any form of speech, e.g. you talking is not warranted and does not achieve anything, I don't really think this is how an open, tolerant meaningful discussion is to be held…(because you disagree with me).

                                        • -1 vote

                                          @p1 ama: In a discussion, I at least expect a comment/engagement rather than merely downvoting.
                                          It is strange to me that every time sometime criticises Australia (often justifiedly) the downvotes (without engagement) pour in as if criticism is taken as a personal attack by those people downvoting - I still have not had any explanation why Australia is the "lucky country" (as opposed to other countries) in the way it is taken out of context or why Australia is the best country in the world (based on something objective, not merely pure emotion and national pride).
                                          Australia is not perfect - no country is and hence some criticism is justified and necessary in order to make Australia better place for everyone.

                                          • +3 votes

                                            @Lysander:

                                            In a discussion, I at least expect a comment/engagement rather than merely downvoting.

                                            But people are free to downvote if they wish.

                                            It is strange to me that every time sometime criticises Australia (often justifiedly) the downvotes (without engagement) pour in as if criticism is taken as a personal attack by those people downvoting - I still have not had any explanation why Australia is the "lucky country" (as opposed to other countries) in the way it is taken out of context or why Australia is the best country in the world (based on something objective, not merely pure emotion and national pride).

                                            People are free to have those opinions, just as you are free to have yours. To be honest, there are lots of great things about Australia. There are also areas in which we can improve. The problem with what you're saying is that it is very difficult to rate how "good" a country is by objective standards. I think that once a country has surpassed certain baseline standards, it would be considered a fine place to live for almost everyone.

                                            You're probably fussier than most (which is not a bad thing), which is probably why you're seeing issues that are not there. For the majority of people, I'm sure that they would not go about their way any differently if they were living in Australia, the UK, Canada, the US, Germany, France, Norway, whatever the case. People go to work in the morning, they take their kids to school, they come home and spend time with their family…etc. Most people do not have the time (or effort) to really care about the minute things like whether a certain country gives you a little bit more privacy than another country.

                                            On top of that, I think what you fail to realise (as perhaps someone who has grown up in Australia) is that Australia is quite literally heaven to many people. There are people who risk their lives to come to Australia, just ask the people who are on dinky boats trying to get here with a less than 50% chance of survival. You have to understand that for some people who have grown up in some really terrible areas, they are fine with Australia's problems because, to them, it's so many eons better than wherever they came from.

                                            TLDR; it's about perspective.

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                                        @Lysander: Lysander, you are so accurate in your comments. i learnt all of this the hard way, but the people here on ozbargain really don't know how bad it is in academia.

                                      • +1 vote

                                        @Lysander:

                                        I just said moderation is needed rather than negging people to oblivion for expressing a different opinion.

                                        I agree, often people are negged immensely just for expressing a differing opinion. Which leads to comments not being displayed due to neg threshold.
                                        Ignoring other people's point of view and suppressing it can only lead to ignorance and lack of empathetic insight. Not a good thing at all.
                                        Happens all the time on ozbargain though. People have an attitude 'You don't agree with my opinion, so I shall neg you'

                                        Watch this comment get negged now by the trolls :) lol

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