Tricky Situation with Friends - Portable Bluetooth Speaker Stolen While Camping

Hey guys,

I went camping with some friends. They forgot to bring their portable bluetooth speaker and asked me to bring mine. I don't usually bring it with me, as it's a liability more than anything, but they're good friends so I brought mine for them.

On Friday night they asked me to get it out so we all could listen together to it in their tent. I did / we did. Then I was tired, and wanted to go to bed early, so said goodnight. Rather than being a party pooper, turn off the music and take my speaker back, I left it with them to continue staying up and listen to music.

The following night I wanted to use it so I asked if I could have my speaker back. They said they don't know where it is, I said it must be in their tent. They said they couldn't find it.

I don't for a second believe they stole it, but I at a guess what happened is they 'left' it out for me in our camping groups setup's little 'communal' area under the gazebo, and another some other camping group stole it.

On one hand I didn't specifically 'lend' it to them or tell them they must look after it, but on the other, I left it with them in their tent (a safe place) for them to use (at their request) and brought the thing caming at their request. A friend at work says it's my fault because I should have taken it back, two other friends say it should be implied they should look after it.

For the record, I was in the reverse situation once and took my friends speaker into my tent for the night and gave it back to them the next day.

The question is - should I ask them to buy me a new one?

UPDATE:
Last night my friend messaged me, she said she left it outside the next day when they left the camp and thinks it has been stolen (which is what I thought happened). She's said 'if you want we could give your ours as a replacement'.

From memory they have the same UE Boom 2 just in a different colour.

I'm thinking about accepting the offer, and also offering to go halves in a new one as an alternative (~$85 - bricks and mortor store price).

Poll Options

  • 469
    They should replace it
  • 55
    We should go halves in a replacement
  • 81
    I shouldn't ask them to replace it, it's my fault

Comments

  • -1

    Anyone else find it strange that this kinda stuff is so post worth on OzBargain?

    Dunnoe about you guys, but this wouldn't be the kinda stuff id be looking for advice from on a public forum.

    It's op's friends, he knows them way better than any of us. Personally, i wouldnt even bother bringing it up and leave it up to them (especially considering the fact that it isnt worth much). They know it was stolen and it was yours. Up to them what to do about it as your friends, id let their conscious decide.

    Personally, i wouldnt care and wouldnt hold it against them if they didnt reimburse it. Judging by ops post, they were providing the speakers all the other times he went camping

    • +2

      It's poll options and comment up/down voting make it a good place to get the opinion of many. Many (fellow) tight-asses though! :)

      • I just don't understand how you can't handle this on your own. Ah well.

        Just out of curiosity, if your friends had brought their speaker this time around and it got stolen.

        Would you have offered to chip in? Your post seems to suggest that they're the ones who have been providing all the other times.

        Speaking about your poll, it's very flawed to be honest. It is completely biased towards the first 2 options. All options are a form of recourse, but the last one you introduced a fallacy which will swing votes away from it.

        I shouldn't ask them to replace it, it's my fault

        How about don't chase them up because it could've happened to any of your friends, and it isn't worth chasing up. Many comments here suggest something similar.

  • Is your friendship worth $85?

    • +3

      goes the other way too…
      they value his friendship @ $85?

      considering they were using his things and should have taken ownership to pack/bring it back after he's called it a night…

  • +1

    If they were good friends to begin with, they should have just replaced it, no questions asked, even before you approached them.
    Any half responsible person/friend would have taken full responsibility for valuables left with them. Although it wasn't verbalised, it was definitely implied when you left it with them.
    That being said, I personally would cut my losses if they don't offer to replace the item, and learn from this..
    i.e. they may be friends, but obviously not reliable.

  • Buy a new one. Get over it.

  • It seems like it was a pretty bad bit of luck anyway. Certainly leaves a worse flavour in your mouth not knowing than, say, if it had just been broken.

    I would have you think of it the other way as well, from their perspective. You are all listening to music on a camping trip, the night rounds up and people leave at different times - you're tired and don't remember exactly when your friend leaves. Everything goes on for a bit longer before every is overtired and calls it a night. You don't know exactly who the last one was who turned it off/move it. Now you know it was left out (or at least they pieced together they think they remember doing it.

    Now you've not put through any claim that your friends have taken it, and that seems fair but they could theoretically had the same doubts (we gave it back, what game is he trying to play?) I think there is shared responsibility, but also see it the same as damage to any other goods, like it someone had scratched your car at the campsite and you didn't notice.

    I vote you thank them for the offer of theirs but say 'I think that's too generous, and if its okay with you we go halves on a new one' and get a new one in Black Friday/Christmas sales. Depending how good friends I'd possibly even say no and get myself a new one. Seems like you have a good group of friends so hopefully this brings everyone's attention to the camp security and gets people to keep a better eye on things like consumer electronics.

    P.s Double and triple check all your bedding and pillows to make sure it didn't end up with your stuff somehow. Keep in mind someone might have put it back later when they found it later and too embarrassed to tell you.

  • +1

    UE Boom 3 $178 @ Officeworks from the latest catalog

    https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/SearchDisplay?searchTerm…

  • +2

    UPDATE:

    My feelings. Thanks guys for the discussion, it has been helpful.

    While the speaker issue did really consume my thoughts and bug me during my 3-4 hour drive home, a few days later now, and after my friend admitted fault and offered her speaker, I feel better about the whole thing, to the point of not even really expecting anything from them.

    Whilst they have offered to make mends, it could turn out to be one of those things that never happens, but even if so that's fine with me.

    Note to others - learn from my situation!

    • Note to others - learn from my situation!

      Don't go camping?

      • tldr is that If you lend someone something and they are totally careless with it make sure that you speak up so they will admit fault and give you their stuff.

        • +1

          Nah, Don't be first to bed!

      • +1

        Obviously seek advice from OzB. Doh!

      • No - camping is awesome fun. People need to get in the outdoors more.

        Just don't bring portable speakers / small expensive things that thieves like.

  • +3

    This is not an ethical dilemma that would have kept Socrates awake at night. Dead simple principle- if you borrow something you are responsible for its return.

    • Yes - but the question is 'did they borrow it', or did I just 'leave it with a group' / diffusal of responsibly

  • You didn't even have to take the speaker from them when you called it a night, should have just reminded them to "bring the speaker in/put it in bag"

  • This is why i hate lending my things to people or let other people use my things, since if i break their (used/ old) item, i have to buy them a (new) one to replace their (old, probably depreciated item for the price of a new one.

    Best advice next time, just say you didn’t bring it, and just say its “running our of battery” the next night and you have to charge it.

    If you blame it on them and put the responsibility of the loss of your speaker(or any item) solely on them, you essentially lost trust in them and think you are an as….e and they will try to distance themselves from you, or not associate themselves with you since they don’t want to pay for your stuff next time they borrowing your stuff

  • The situation is hard to give advice no because there is a social cost that you have give us no info about thus id say go halfies and learn that people dont care about your stuff like you do

    Ive been in situations like this in my younger single years and always just let it go because it is pretty uncool to get steamed over cash but it is a good way to know who is a good friend or not i would say from situations just like this ive cut off or made little to no effort with 80% of ppl i might if at one stage considered a 'good friend' because as you grow up settle down you simply dont have time to make room in your life for everybody and the rubbish friends are the 1st you cut out if you can get something back great if not just accept the fact the majority of friends you have today will probably not be your friends a decade from now.

    Note:i write this comment only knowing your side of the story and there are always 2 sides to every story how many times ive been wrongly blamed for shit going missing or breaking is not funny!

  • I'd tell your friend we'll look out for one second hand on gumtree or facebook market place, and when one comes up do you mind going 50:50.

  • -1

    Slightly unrelated question - I'm looking at a grey import on eBay for a replacement.

    Is it only the lack of local Logitech backed warranty I have to worry about?

    I mean, can I upgrade the firmware and use the companion app etc all fine as per my local one?

    • No issues with apps & updates on greymarket

  • Hate to meet bad friends

  • I’m so glad to be a loner

  • If it was one of my very best friends we would end up having a fight about who pays for the replacement……….It would be me telling them not to bother and them insisting they pay for a replacement! In the end I would buy a new one and they would shout the first carton of beer on the next camping trip! If these folks are good friends dont cause a rift and loose good friends over $85. I get it we are all on OzBargain for a reason but surely your good friends are worth more than $85

  • +4

    FINAL CONCLUSION:

    A couple of weeks later, I was given a UE Boom 3 from a close friend as a present for Christmas.

    Then, in Jan, my friends found my original speaker. It was hidden in some camping box somewhere, they put it away and forgot.

    Now I have a UE Boom 2 and a UE Boom 3.

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