I wonder what is your experience with chiropractic in relation to treatment for neck and/or back pain as a result of poor sitting posture.
The main reason I ask is because of the huge costs and it's way above the limit of health extras usually cover (correct me if there is one that has 2-3k a year)
In the end of the day if it does what it promises to do, then it is worth 4 or 5k.
Therefore I wonder what is your opinion/experience?
No - "feel better" is psychological. Go to a therapist if you want that. Otherwise it's just placebo effect, like paying thousands for sugar pills (or faith healing).
Except if the chiro makes you “feel” better by cracking your back and saying it will be OK, you’ll neglect to do the difficult exercises the physio prescribed, and degenerate in the long-term, even if you get a short-term placebo fix.
Hey mate, good question.
Just like anything there are good chiros and not so good chiros. Give it a go and make your own decision
If you go to any health professional and they only give you passive treatment (manipulation, stretching, massage, drugs etc) then you may struggle to get long term results.
For many years I tried various chiros, physios and doctors with good short term results but ultimately I relapsed. Finally I found a physio who did passive treatment AND active treatment (exercise, strength & condition, movement patterns analysis, posture etc) and I haven't had back pain ever since. I also have better posture and perform better in sport.
PS I ended up marrying this physio and now she runs her own physio clinic
Mod edit: Removed name of business.
I used to think they did something but soon or rather much later realised they're nothing but a scam. Quick fixes that make you feel good for a day then the issue rears its head again and you need to go for another "adjustment". Finally decided to do some digging and like others said they're not recognised as proper medical care. I was actually surprised because for a long time I thought they were legitimate. When an "adjustment" takes all but 5 mins without any real consultation something is not right.
I'm a desk jockey … (Software engineer) so I'm a good 7 hours sitting and 1-2 hour heavy workout (weights) when not at the desk.
Chiro did nothing but release some endorphins and loosen my neck/shoulders for a good day or so.
Osteo is a chiro with more knowledge, cracks and stretches pretty much IMO.
My advice, see a doctor first, follow their advice. Then if you really want, I'd suggest Osteo instead of Chiro, albeit a bit more expensive. The last two will always tell you to "take up yoga it'll really help" …
Osteo will give you tips on stretching and prevention, at the end of the day I'm given a nice deep massage, some cracking (which is fun AF) and stretched a bit where I need to be stretched and I enjoy that.
P.s yoga's helped.
Every physio that I've asked this question to says that "it works for some people".
I also suffer from back pain, I visit a myotherapist twice a year who fixes me up and I'm good for ~6 months.
See a physio and do rehab and fix it, ongoing issues like that is not good
I'm good for ~6 months.
Doesn't sound like it's actually treating the root cause does it?
It's like getting a deep tissue massage, no complaints from me
That's not really a confident answer, is it?
treatment for neck and/or back pain as a result of poor sitting posture
Isn't your starting point correcting your sitting posture? It's like mopping the kitchen when water is over flowing the sink. Wouldn't you be better off turning off the tap?
no matter what you do , humans are no built for sitting for 8 hours straight….
Jesus Christ people.
Even do a 20 second google to see if there is any SCIENTIFIC evidence behind chiro (there isn't) it does not work. It is all placebo and a temporary feeling of gas being released which is 'relaxing'.
Just crack your knuckle - that is essentially what an 'adjustment' is.
While I'm at it - don't do acupuncture or cupping either they are in the same boat.
Acupuncture actually has some scientific evidence behind it IIRC. Not sure about cupping but probably not.
But yeah defs not chiro
Acupuncture is evidence based but the "profession" is so poorly regulated it is a gamble whether you get someone properly trained or a maniac (qualified or not) sticking needles in you.
Ok my bad on this one. Did a quick lookup of some meta analysis and a few studies.
There were a number of concerns around the methodology of the studies. BUT there was some evidence supporting helping chronic pain.
Not sure on the regulation status mentioned above by Tshow.
So, good call.
That being said - cupping still bad.
Cupping is great. It protects my jiblets. It does nothing when applied on my back.
It's a hypothesis???
A little history - Chiropractic had to admit their original theory (bone out of place was wrong). So they had to redefine what subluxation was.
Here is a review of subluxation. https://chiromt.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/1746-134…
Now if they reject the conclusions drawn from the paper they would need to show subluxation can be objectively demonstrated & it causes interference with the nervous system. But they have never done so, so don't hold your breath.
https://player.fm/series/science-vs/chiropractors
This might be an interesting podcast to listen to.
EDIT: spelling.
I broke my hip and a few other bones in a car accident when I was little. As a result I have bad posture. My parents sent me to the chiropractor from ~10yrs - 16yrs old, a couple times a month to fix my posture. I was told I have unique damage, and that I would never be able to run (by my chiro).
At 16 I stopped going to the chiro, started going to the gym and eventually running. Never felt better. Back problems were just strength issues (pull ups, weighted squats and dead-lifts fixed that). Nothing wrong with my hips. After 1 year of yoga at 20yrs old I could touch my toes (with straight legs) for the first time since I was a kid.
Im 35 this year. I've run 6x marathons, 4x half Ironmans, and done countless triathlons, half marathons and tough mudders.
The chiropractor definitely held me back and didn't help me physically or mentally. They made me believe I had a skeletal problem and was doomed to a non-physically challenging life. I'm so glad I choose to stop going and started working on my muscles rather than getting the bones cracked.
Any thing your chiropractor tells you is to make you come back and get money out of you. Cracking your bones only provides temporary relief. Work out the muscles around the bones and you fix the problem.
I'm sure if I went in today they would all tell me the same: I'm out of alignment, need to go a couple times a week for a few weeks, then once a week, then once a month. Its all a scam.
Im 35 this year. I've run 6x marathons, 4x half Ironmans, and done countless triathlons, half marathons and tough mudders
Didn't pay much attention to your report on chiros (well known to be charlatans anyway) but big upvote for the achievements. Just don't do any of those stupid obstacle courses with electrified fences (Spartan).
Great story. Thanks for sharing, bro.
Stretching
Stretching and muscle strengthening
This is what i have learnt over my many years on this earth, to prevent the need to go to a physio or chiro
However sometimes you need a good physio or chiro to tell you exactly what exercises to do
An imbalance somewhere, causes strain elsewhere.
Physio - here's an exercise that will do this movement in this muscle that will compensate for this action you're doing to fix this problem you have. Come back so I can monitor the progress and your compliance.
Chiro - I'll crack your back now and I'll need to see you once a fortnight as I've "diagnosed" you with cripple-itis. The front counter has lots of berries you can take to heal you. Also, vaccinations are bad. Don't forget to stretch.
The patient then feels positive effects of stretching and goes on to proselytise the wonders of chiropractics…
(Reminds me of wonder weight-loss drugs that have a "Oh, they only work if you also put in 120 minutes of aerobic exercise a day!")
No. Chiropractors are quacks. At best they will delay you seeking professional medical help. At worst they will cause more damage due to their uninformed and frankly retarded understanding of the human body.
An example from the cancer world. Steve Jobs died from a treatable pancreatic cancer. He ignored the professional medical doctors (oncologists). He chose spiritual meditation and fruit therapy. Fruit therapy! He died.
Chiropractors are the same. You might "feel good" after the session. But that's a placebo effect. You'll get the same effect from praying in a church, or petting a therapy dog, or even just hugging someone. Your body releases natural endorphins and painkillers when you think you're being treated. But chiropractors are doing nothing to cure the underlying problem. They can't. What they're doing - damaging your spine - will never fix anything.
Seek out an actual medical professional.
You know people die when being treated by medical professionals too right?
Studies have shown the cracks actually make you feel better, but only temporarily for a few hours. And that the positive results is mainly due to placebo effects.
So not really, no.
The evidence shows that chiropractors do more harm than good
https://health.spectator.co.uk/the-evidence-shows-that-chiro…
Chiropractic is not medicine. It is not evidence-based. Practitioners are not doctors.
I strongly suggest you see a real medical professional. Start with your local GP.
Chiro doesn't work
I did weekly visits and would feel OK for a few hours after a visit but back to pain the next day. I had treatment for six months on a weekly basis and no permanent improvement
The clinic I went to had physio, when the chiro was on leave i tried the physio for a month and the treatment was great.
i eventually went to another physio and was given exercise to do to during sessions and at home and back pain was gone after 6 to 12 months.
also chiro is scary as hell when they yank your spine and neck, why do you think they make you sign waivers before they start treating. A lot can go wrong.
I went to acupuncture, physio, exercise physio, different massages, chiropractor and none have a lasting effect on my neck and back pain.
Physiotherapists do not fix your neck and back pain, and neither do they claim to do that.
They give you the appropriate exercise and train you to do them properly.
so who can fix back pain then? I went to GP about it, they referred me to both physio and rheumatologist.
Sounds like GP suspects AS (abbreviated so if you're not familiar, don't Google it and alarm yourself).
The pain is not the problem and as such, no one is going to fix the pain. The problem is the joints rubbing against one another, and the body's response to that.
In this case (may not be your case), the physiotherapist's role is to teach you better posture and exercises that will strengthen the core muscles important to that posture.
The rheumatologist's role is to manage your body's reaction to the bony friction to prevent fusion of the discs.
To answer your question - the correct practitioner(s) to fix/manage your back pain depends on why you are having back pain.
Pain is a symptom. The GP is, based on probability and prevalence, sending you to a physio and a rheumatologist because those two treat the most common reasons for back pain. It may be that your back pain isn't caused by either.
If youre having neck pain issues, there are strengthening excercises you can do and they make a world of difference. They basically cure it after less than a month every second day.
A chiro wont show you these excercises, they need you to keep coming for "treatment" to keep their cashflow.
A phisio will show you the excercises you need to do once they have diagnosed your particular issues.
A phisio is also a medically trained professional.
But in the end its up to you what you do with this info. You can lead a horse to water and all that.
one of the chiro I used to go actually gave me some exercises though.
Stretching out your dominant arm and swiping a card towards you is not a valid exercise.
nobody says they are.
I saw a chiropractor in Melbourne. I got a free appointment after having a free assessment done at the Health, Mind and Wallet (Body) expo. He told me that I had issues with my back and that I would need to go and see him twice weekly for adjustments otherwise within 10 years I would be unable to walk. That was 20 years ago and my back is fine.
On another note, you could try asking Playboy model Katie May about her experience with a chiropractor's neck adjustments, but unfortunately the treatment killed her.
Hmm… so how do you know the treatment worked though
She's no longer in pain.
(Too soon?)
the dangerous one is neck adjustment
Have you considered seeing an osteopath? My partner had some spine issues. so, the gp send him to a physio twice a week for the first month. But then, the physio guy told my partner to go see an osteopath who actually managed to get his neck better after 3 sessions ( $160 the first session, $120 the following) and who advised him that he will just need more physio and he should be better. So 4k for 10 sessions with a chiro, i think it's just a rip off and you don't know if you will be better .
An Osteopath is just another quack with a different origin and ethos. They are primarily the same as a Chiro.
Also I have never, ever heard of a Physio recommending an Osteo. That'd be like a mechanic recommending a customer go to a dodgy chop shop across town for an engine rebuild.
eh each to their own but I've had good and bad experiences with Physios and a single good experience with an Osteo (only ever seen one).
Had a physio diagnose golfers elbow as tennis elbow and give me exercises for it….he also decided to tape the median nerve (I think) to release pressure from it way too tight while I was in there. Had to rip it off in the carpark before I could actually drive home. Saw another one, not so much an incorrect diagnosis, but dry needled my brachioradialis when the issue was the pronator teres….
Saw an Osteo, 5 minutes in had the correct muscle identified and an idea on where the issue was. Gave me some corrective exercises, and managed to find more on my own via some googling now that I knew what the issue was. (Pronator teres syndrome for those playing at home).
Also was a physio for a different issue (De Quervain's) and he was excellent, ran through the golfers elbow issues with him too who confirmed that he thought the Osteo was correct in his assessment.
If I had an issue that would benefit from manual therapy as opposed to immobilization and rehab I'd see an Osteo over a physio personally
My point here is, these guys do a 4.5-5 year course they don't just screw around for 5 years. There are going to be good and bad ones that come out of these professions, ones that want to help and ones that want to keep you coming back.
Its sad that there isnt more being done to stop these hacks from calling themselves 'dr.'
What about Dre?
I agree. My work accepts medical certificates from them. I have no idea why.
Try bringing in a medical certificate from a phrenologist and post your results.
Push the limits.
Well that would be using my head.
I was asked to accept a hand-written note from a 'master reiki' practitioner as a valid excuse for someone missing an important meeting interstate. HR approved their 'sick leave'. What's next? A selfie with the masseuse that gives happy endings?!
@[Deactivated]: It was a 'she' …
On her letterhead:
A healer's power stems not from any special ability, but from maintaining the courage and awareness to embody and express the universal healing power that every human being naturally possesses.
She's basically saying that she has no special ability and that she is like everyone else and yet someone paid her $150 for an hour to hold her hands on top of their head or something. Crazy!
@[Deactivated]: Crazy, yes. Chiropractic’s subluxation theory, that misaligned vertebrae can cause organic disease is also crazy.
If you have watched Two and Half Men, then you've got your answer already
The general comments here are far better than any facebook comments thread I've seen on this matter, but theres still a bit of junk.
I suggest you have a look at https://www.ahpra.gov.au/ before seeing an allied health professional.
I went to one and he gave me a '3 year plan' I never came back.
Contemplated about visiting a chiro for a spot of lower back pain but decided against it and went for a massage instead.
I honestly believe the lower back pain might've been due to my bad posture (hunching) and me being a fat slob. Also, helped w/ the pain when I bought a better mattress and started working out.
The only good chiros are the ones that focus more on evidence based physio therapy and holistic therapy.
Like others have said if they start talking about subluxations and " contracts ", run.
I know someone, approx 40, who had their back damaged by a chiropractor. Can no longer work and now uses a walking stick. Has had surgery, electrical implant and regular treatment for pain.
For years my right heel has been sore then developed into lower back pain about 3 years ago. It got to a point where if I sat down for more than 5 mins, then stood up, I'd have to be hunched over for a few mins before I could stand upright. Also when sleeping on my side, if I over rotated, there's half a day with back pain. I've always watched my weight and been in shape, though flexibility was terrible.
I went to a chiro, they took the usual xrays and said my spine is sligtly twisted. They mentioned that I had a strong lower back and that the issue was caused by the mid section. I had one session and let me tell you, it was the best thing. The first crack of my back made me laugh hysterically and felt like it took all the stress away.
After a few more sessions I locked down 2 sessions a week for 2 months. It seemed to help. Though when I kept asking for stretches etc at home, they just responded with a yeah yeah we'll show you later.
Here's where it goes down hill. The progress stopped. I was working out 5 days a week, which includes dips. Unfortunately I was just smashing dips left right and centre, so when the chest cracking came along, I developed costochondritis. The pain in my chest was unbearable for a few weeks then months after when I would sneeze. It stuck around for 1.5 years. Now I have a clicking in the chest when I rotate my shoulders. No pain though. Supposedly it's nothing to worry about. The point being here, while I'm partly to blame, if you do any sort of activity that stresses the body, be careful as chiro can add to this.
After the treatment stopped, the pain came back. I realised it's a nerve issue. All I did was simple stretches every morning before work including building up to 2 min planks and what do you know, I've managed my back. I used to have a fear of not sleeping correctly on my side, but now I could be in the worse position and wake up with no pain.
I don't know if this is of use to you, but if you can get a physio to show you what stretches, etc you can do to improve the pain and then actually build on it to keep it at bay like I have, it's your best shot. The problem here is, people will follow for a few weeks or months and go back to old habits. For me the stretching each morning is part of my daily routine that I'll keep doing. Not only has the pain gone 95% of the time, I've also increased core strength.
I find physios show more stretches and exercises at home or work, while chiro rarely do. They just say I have to improve my posture but doesn't show me how.
They make me believe that the cracking will improve my posture somehow.
Tbh, if I have so much money I will probably give chiro a try.
Understandably anecdotal but I'm going to see him to see if it makes a difference. Gotta use private health up.
They do work, but some are better than others. A really good chriropracter can actually fix the source of the pain or problems you are having, rather than just providing temporary relief.
And how would they do that exactly?
Chiro is junk. You need a physio.
While we are on this topic. Can anyone suggest a good physio in Sydney? (Parramatta area will be much better)
Terence Lau who owns Icare at Epping is good and he has quite flexible hours.
Thanks mate. I wish there is good website where people can share feedback on physios and other practitioners.
Like all health practitioners I think there's a spectrum between very good and bad. There's not a lot of evidence for chiropractors in general and there's a helluva lot of quacks out there, but there are a group of people who seem to get a lot of benefit from them, and I don't think berating the entire profession is that useful. They've got a good knowledge of back anatomy, and the ones people find useful tend not to charge too much. So if you find it works for you, ignore the crowd shouting about placebos and whatnot and go for it.
The converse to that is that neck manipulation especially, can be really dangerous. If you have a malformed artery in your neck (and plenty of people do and don't know it), visiting the chiropractor may end up dissecting that artery and giving you a great big stroke in which you're stuck with a major disability for the rest of your life.
TLDR; Great if it works for you, avoid neck manipulation.
If it works for extented period than it is ok not for short term relive.
I saw a chiro over 10 years ago for around 2 months. It did work in a sense that my posture and back tightness improved. However from that experience I don't think I'll ever see a chiro again.
Although my problems improved, I felt the regular cracking was not going to help me long term. On the contrary it felt like it was doing damage.
It was also very off putting the way he ran his practice - pure money making. He had 3 treatment chairs lined up side by side, crack, next, crack, next, crack, next etc. He insisted to perform an adjustment right before taking a progressive x-ray. It was also obvious he was more aggressive in his adjustments right before an x-ray was scheduled. Lastly, he wanted to sell me a treatment package paid full in advance.
I politely said no and gtfo.
www.guildinsurance.com.au provide insurance for various professionals.
Get a quote for a years worth of coverage. Put in the same info regarding location and say you are working full time and wanting 10million for coverage.
Chiro = $2,590.44
Physio = $512.73
Here’s a good article from Dr Baraki from Barbell Medicine on pain and the various treatments people seek. https://startingstrength.com/article/aches-and-pains
There are good medical doctors and bad medical doctors, likewise with physios, chiros, osteos etc. Yes, chiros are not recognised by AMA but have you been to a medical doctor that you thought "How did this person get to be a doctor?" I have. Have you been to physios that get to to come on weekly basis & no results, only to find your bank account keeps on depleting? I have. Chiros? Osteos? I have.
It took me some time but I found a chiro that works for me. A good chiro would assess your issue & only cracks/adjusts on problem areas, not every joint. A good chiro would give you timeframe on how many visits he/she needs to fix your issues, not putting you on a 'program'. One chiro I saw put me on a 12 session program and wanted to see me 3X a week. 12 session program was around $700 and he put me on 2X.
If you want an idea on what chiros do, look up Dr Ian on youtube. He is a gonstead chiro in Melbourne. Yes, he got into trouble for adjusting his 2 week old daughter. I think for reflux. He fixed a teenager from US. This kid hurt his back so badly he could not stand straight. ALso look up Dr Rahim. He also practices Gonstead. He is located in LA, USA. But you get the idea.
A word of warning. There is a risk in chiro, just like medical surgery, medicines etc. You may have heard people experienced complications. Yes, I know someone who did and swore to never go to a chiro ever again. Chiros deal with spine from neck down and that's where all the nerves are. But if you find ge right one, it can do wonders.
Regardless who you decide to see, go to your GP and get some x-rays. It should be covered by Medicare. You take that to the health prof you decide to see. That should give them some ideas on your problem or problems.
Good luck!
Chiros deal with spine from neck down and that's where all the nerves are.
False. Cranial nerves.
Yes, he got into trouble for adjusting his 2 week old daughter.
This should already serve as a big "I'm an idiot!" warning.
There is a risk in chiro, just like medical surgery, medicines etc.
Jumping off an overhead bridge into traffic is risky and so is cutting your toenails (ingrown nail can cause sepsis). I'd still cut my toenails.
In my life I have seen only chiro twice. I think this time around they try to justify their value more by giving massage as well.
Yes, there are good and bad doctors, but at least they (and physios) practise evidence-based medicine. Chiros don't, because it's pseudoscience. That's why there's no evidence of its efficacy other than anecdotal. It's not even a matter of 'but it worked for ME!' because guess what, placebo effect is very real. Also, if someone is manipulating your muscles, it will always have some effect, whether it's a physio, a chiro, or a trained monkey.
Yes, he got into trouble for adjusting his 2 week old daughter.
And this isn't a giant red flag?
Chiros deal with spine from neck down and that's where all the nerves are.
Um… Cranial nerves?
Wait wait wait. He did neck manipulation in a 2 week old baby (and using the powers of logic, please tell in what possible way neck manipulation affects reflux?) and you're saying he's one of the good ones? Mate you're not selling this profession.
It's a common issue. In the RAH, we had memos and flyers near the neo-natal because patients were checking in Chiros to do spinal corrections on newborns. The chiropractic figurehead even applauded the chiros for shifting the frontier of their practice.
This was 6-7 years ago.
Only the follow registered health professions can legally do forceful spinal manipulations in Australia:
- chiropractors
- physiotherapists
- osteopaths
- medical doctors
It's a statutory offence when anyone else does it, including massage therapists (no matter how many courses they've attended).
1/ Chiropractors can give quick pain relief, but they definitely can also cause permanent injury to joints, ligaments, the spinal cord and vascular structures. In the last 12 months I've met 4 people who were injured by spinal manipulations - two of them left with permanent disabilities. Most chiropractors who treat minors will take additional training.
2/ Physiotherapists prefer gentle mobilisations and exercises over forceful spinal manipulations. The rare physio who does use forceful manipulations will likely have done an additional 12 months of highly intensive training on top of their 4 year degree.
3/ My limited experience of osteopaths are only those that make diagnoses without sufficient information i.e. nil imaging with nil attempt at a differential diagnosis. Telling people an incorrect diagnosis (with 100% certainty) can lead to unnecessary disability. I can't generalise those cases to the entire profession.
4/ Medical doctors tend to be the least experienced of all health professionals in spinal manipulation, and in Australia the literature suggests 3 months is the typical length of training for most who do it.
The worst of all are massage therapists who wish they were physios/chiros (and even some who call themselves "physios" since it's an unprotected term). They take a few courses and then:
- start diagnosing people with various spinal conditions (illegal)
- do spinal manipulations on everyone (a statutory offence)
- and even do spinal manipulations on minors (assault)
It scares me when I hear of minors having spinal manipulation done by massage therapists as the risk of spinal cord injury is greater.
This is pretty accurate
In bali the massage place cracked my back. I'm surprised they can do that
In bali
I'm surprised they can do that
lol.
How about getting your neck cracked by an Indian barber instead?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxJo1fbKKOg
Seems to be a common way to finish your haircut in India
No they are not an evidence based profession pretty much everything they claimed they could do has been proven to be wrong by science and research how they are still able to operate in Australia is beyond me
Find a good physiotherapist or Osteopath
If you live in Victoria i might be able to recommend you some
No they are not an evidence based profession pretty much everything they claimed they could do has been proven to be wrong by science and research how they are still able to operate in Australia is beyond me
Because Australians are gullible and tolerant of quacks. Unlike many countries, we allow chiropractors to request X-rays, dignify them with titles like 'Doctor,' and even put them on The Bachelor. We're a country where too many people take their health advice from Paleo Pete Evans whose qualifications are 'chef' and 'celebrity chef.' Now the AMA has to release a public statement every time he suggests people give their babies bone broth or stare into the sun.
yeah this is fair enough but if people want to blow there money on shit they could do what they want but i wouldnt give them quacks a dollar of my money
Government gives education through tax money. Government is too liberal to tell people what to think. Idiots and their money soon part
Physios love chiros, because people going to the chiro before the physio means that what would be one appointment for the physio turns into ten
Geneally speaking, chiro is placebo.
Generally speaking, even a good chunk of physiotherapy is often placebo.
Generally speaking, simply nudging around some bones and muscles for a while, does not a medical treatment make!
Why do I say generally speaking? Because yes it goes both ways. There's the occasional person who gets a nice placebo cure. Placebo might not be "real" but if it makes someone happy and there isn't much harm, so be it. But there is harm. There's the occasional person who seriously damages their bones or ligaments undergoing chiro. Yes, the risk is fairly small if you're strong and healthy. But who's going to a chiro when they are strong and healthy?
We all know it's hard for laypeople to understand medicine because it is locked within scientifc literature, jargon and statistics.
I'll give you a helpful short-cut for sfting through all that. If your ailment is common, search for "best practice guidelines" for that disease. Best practice guidelines are NOT primary research, but they are a "summary" of the research by experts. They are a "doctors bible" if you will.
Search for the guidelines. Search the guidelines for chiro. It will tell you what the research says.
There is a reason they are not allied health. Make your own conclusion as to why.
They're on the allied health's website though :(
Go to Thailand for 2 weeks, have a great massage every day and whatever else you want. All your aches and pains will be gone for a fraction of the cost.
If you have spinal issues, having a massage will/can fk you up
tightening/lossening of muscle in certain areas, even away from the spine can mess you up,
The "feels" might not work on some people. It really depends on your mindset and how sceptical you are or how badly you want to believe in something. It can be a last resort, and every chiro is different in their methods. Many people see lots of different chiros until they find one they like. Whereas physios are all much the same, basing their treatments on body science