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Jordan Peterson's work as a clinical psychologist has reshaped the modern understanding of personality, and now he has become one of the world's most popular public thinkers, with his lectures on topics ranging from the Bible to romantic relationships drawing tens of millions of viewers. In an era of polarizing politics, echo chambers and trigger warnings, his startling message about the value of personal responsibility and the dangers of ideology has resonated around the world.

In this book, he combines ancient wisdom with decades of experience to provide twelve profound and challenging principles for how to live a meaningful life, from setting your house in order before criticising others to comparing yourself to who you were yesterday, not someone else today.

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  • +13 votes

    I started listening to this as an audiobook without any prior knowledge of the author. I didn't enjoy it and wouldn't recommend

    • -1 vote

      The first chapter is pretty dry, however I am glad I finished it.

    • +6 votes

      Yes I did the same as I downloaded it as a highly recommended audiobook. I am a big believer that there is something to be learned from all books and usually more from the ones that you find irritating. I began this and tried to replace the word god with a metaphorical non literal concept which is much more palatable to me. Then I hit opinion based concepts and rationalised that his conservative views are contrary to my own and that I may be able to learn something from looking at it from a different perspective and persevered. When it came to the science part of it he made quite a few references that were blatantly incorrect, I gave it a free pass as its not his area of expertise and will surely have great insights from a psychological/sociological point of view….. however then I hit a few bits that were in his field of expertise such as addiction which he quoted discredited/outdated concepts. At this stage (about 1/3 into the book) I stopped as I couldnt take it any more.
      I have recently watched a video of his which I quite enjoyed his perspective (still contrary to my own beliefs but great insights) so may be some gems in the book if your willing to do the heavy lifting to find them.
      Sorry about the wall of text but wanted give a bit more context to the crappy book vs great book debate.

  • +19 votes

    Have just started reading this, it's pretty heavy on the god stuff so far so if that's not your jam (it aint mine) then it might be a bit of a tough read. Not sure ill be finishing it.

    • +3 votes

      From memory the second or third chapter has a lot of biblical basis, however the whole book isn't like that.

      Anyway, he's mostly talking about the stories of the Bible and their meanings for life, not necessarily a requirement to be religious to be able to take anything from it. The meanings of the stories are fairly universal.

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      Don't let the religion bother you.
      Peterson just has a thing for old stories and "ancient wisdom".
      He does not talk about the literal truth of God, or any evidence that He is real.

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      Only one way to find out :)

    • -5 votes

      you'll def need that 12 pack since you get triggered so easy
      don't go out of that safe space

      • +20 votes

        You ok mate? Calling a bad book what it is doesn't imply any triggering.

        • -4 votes

          check out his past comments and you'll see where he is on the left fringe scale
          as in seeing a gun/scope related deal sends him frothing, every time

          he has an issue with the author's worldview is what is is, not 'calling it a bad book'

        • +6 votes

          Ah yes, it's an incredibly evil book, with such heinous suggestions as 'set your own house in order before you criticize the world' and 'assume the person you are listening to might know something you dont', truly a modern Mein Kampf…

        • -2 votes

          I'm pretty sure @JohnHowardsEyebrows is 110% triggered.

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        @payton I bet you didnt even read the book. its crazy how you can criticise something without knowing what it is.

      • +4 votes

        The irony is that you're the one getting triggered and making it personal. The guy can have his opinion on whether the book is useful or not…

        So much for free speech.

  • +6 votes

    Ah Peterson, a modern sophist

    • +6 votes

      Yes, a string of motherhood statements garnished with intellectual pretentiousness but little academic rigor.

      • +5 votes

        The guy is incredibly smart. I can only assume you are left leaning, since they all hate him for no reason. To attack his intellect is borderline ridiculous.

        • +4 votes

          Accusing people of sophistry is not an attack on their intellect. The hard left hate him because he rails against identity politics (and he does have some good points to that end). Everybody else who knows his work and isn't sympathetic to social conservatism can see he's just reheating old ideas (some of which have merit, insofar as he is a qualified psychologist) and then extrapolating them as a political ideology (and he's way out of his depth).

          • +2 votes

            @JohnHowardsEyebrows: Right… well, I didn’t reply to the Sophist comment just for the record. He has a unique talent to explain something complicated in simple terms. That is brilliant in itself and a talent not many can do like he does. I am not going down the rabbit hole of countering your points because every political conversation on here takes up way too much of my time. So I’ll say I respectfully disagree.

            • -3 votes

              @snagseb: The left doesn't hate him for no reason while I can understand his self-help stuff is ok. His political rants are just really dumb points, which is clearly evident when he went on to chat with Zizek. Isn't really surprising given he hangs out with the likes of Rubin, Charlie Kirk, and Candace Owens if he stuck to his self-help stuff I wouldn't have any issues with him.

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                @7wig: Rubin, Kirk and Owens who are conservatives, like he is. What’s wrong with those people? They are right, you are left? That is a smart bunch of people who I’ve watched many times destroy lefties. I don’t see your point, sorry.

                • +4 votes

                  @snagseb: Nothing to do with right or left two are grifters (Rubin and Owens) and Charlie isn't really the brightest of people.

                  "I’ve watched many times destroy lefties" Rubin doesn't even have lefties on his show, he couldn't destroy a wet noodle get him on with Sam, David Pakman, or Michael Brooks he wouldn't last 5 mins.

                • +2 votes

                  @snagseb: What you don't seem to get is that not everybody wants to be in an echo chamber.

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                    @JohnHowardsEyebrows: When did I say that? I was simply pointing out, that attacking his intellect like he is dumb or something is absurd. I live in an echo chamber because I have a view different to yours, lol. Priceless!

                    • +3 votes

                      @snagseb: It was pointed out that he hangs out with a bunch of cranks who support his worldview. Not all self-styled intellectuals put themselves into a box. Some are free thinkers, as they should be.

                      • +3 votes

                        @JohnHowardsEyebrows: You can maybe argue that for the others but Owens and Peterson is a force to be reckoned with. Far from being ‘cranks’. People tend to hang out with others who share their views, that’s hardly a valid point.

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                          @snagseb: Whatever you say man. When I see her debate, she seems to get owned pretty hard. Don't you remember her comments on Hitler? how can you defend such nonsense?

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                            @7wig: Does she? Show me Candace Owens getting owned. As for the Hitler comments, typical lefty argument. Instead of me explaining it, you can hear it from her directly - https://youtu.be/a-poqjet5mY

                            FakeNews.

                            • +3 votes

                              @snagseb: Lol ok her resorting to adhom is the best you got? She is a shill for Dennis Prager & Koch brothers that's it, just like Rubin they don't bring anything to the table worthy of discussing. I think Politicon is coming up let's see if she shows up to debate Kyle and David or is going to back out again like all the right winger's do when they get challenged by anyone that's not a college kid.

            • +8 votes

              @snagseb: "He has a unique talent to explain something complicated in simple terms"

              Are we talking about the same Jordan Peterson?

        • +2 votes

          His real talent is that he makes incredibly simple points - for example about free speech and political correctness - sound sophisticated. That's why he appeals to some conservatives who can't be bothered reading a little political theory and history. Put simply, he is all tip and no burg.

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            @avan1976: Sometimes he does, I agree. But I doubt you’ve watched much of him if that’s your opinion.

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              @snagseb: I've listened to him for probably 5-6 hours as podcast guests and on TV.
              Like a lot of people, I found him quite convincing at first and was asking myself - why so many haters - but scratch below the surface and there isn't much there.

              This was probably the best summary of the shallowness of his arguments. Have a read and see what you think:
              https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/hot-thought/201802/j...

              • +1 vote

                @avan1976: Appreciate your civility in the argument. I agree with a lot in the article relating to his book. It was too preachy for my liking. I’m not a huge fan of the book, though there is a lot I can still relate too and appreciate. I like when he sticks to what he is good at - psychology. I think his fame may have got the better of him to some extent and the constant tours and relentless criticism and pressure may have lead to him publish some questionable things. I more appreciate when he talks freely and on the spot. You can tell he has his demons, and the way he discusses and analyses the darker parts of life to me is fascinating. He’s been a little quiet of late and I think this will do him good and allow him to reset and go back to the basics that made him so popular. I never understood religion, my whole life but some of the smartest people on the planet are deeply religious… that fascinates me to some extent. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, I just think when people like to basically call him stupid it is more based on political views than actual genuine opinions. Thanks for link, interesting read.

                • +1 vote

                  @snagseb: Yes, its important to engage with thinkers from both side of politics.

                  Check out the Coddling of the American Mind for a good example of a conservative leaning and rigorous take on current social issues.
                  What I do find interesting is how this book has captured the imagination of the alt-right? And how they are so keen to promote it at every opportunity like its some new age Bible. I can't remember the last time I saw rabid lefties on sites like ozbargain promoting Noam Chomsky's latest book (or similar).
                  I also wonder if Petersen actually likes the support he gets from some quarters? He is much more measured than some of his followers, that's for sure. Then again, I suppose he's happy to be making some money.

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                    @avan1976: The alt-right or just the right? I’ve seen a lot of support from the right and a lot oppose from the left. I understand perfectly why it is that way, but in general I suppose Dr. Peterson in most cases. He is totally against the alt-right but the left won’t agree with that because his views are supposedly homophobic, racist, etc …

        • +3 votes

          He says incredibly daft things outside his field of expertise. For example he thinks human population is self-limiting and is a climate change denier who thinks that will sort itself out too without paying any attention to the consequences even if things were likely to go the way he believes (which they can't).

          He is an excellent speaker, though, and some of his premises are solid, particularly in psychology. And he stands up to being bullied by those on the extreme left. So plenty buy it, literally and figuratively.

          • +2 votes

            @syousef: I hear you mate his deductions into cause and effect from broad populations were a bit of a stretch (to put it politely). Even within his own field in things like depression and addiction.

        • +2 votes

          I can only assume you are left leaning, since they all hate him for no reason.

          This is a very twisted view of the left/right divide in politics. I wouldn't even consider Peterson either left or right leaning because I simply don't know his view on the role of government on economic issues (which, ultimately, are the most important issues). Even socially, aside from his anti-SJW stuff, he doesn't seem to express any view on issues such as gay marriage or whatever other topical social issues are.

          Either way, I think most of his views on politics are rational. I would consider myself left-leaning and I agree with his views on free speech and equality of opportunity over outcome…etc. However, I do think that he is intentionally abrasive at times and he does enjoy "triggering" people who disagree with him. It doesn't change the fact that his general views are pretty mainstream.

          It's probably wise to remember that he is a psychologist, not a politician. In that sense, his political views are irrelevant so I don't know why people care about him so much.

          • -1 vote

            @p1 ama: Just calling it how I see it. Doesn’t mean you can’t lean left and still like the guy. I would certainly say he leans right more than left since he constantly critiques the left. What made him ‘famous’ is very much politically based. He was arguing against laws in Canada which basically control your free speech. He’s a jack of all trades. I don’t agree with everything he says and he doesn’t solely discuss one thing. He’s just an interesting guy with his own opinion. Apart from the psychological side of thins, he has never claimed anything. People invite him to do shows, usually left leaning ones to try and play ‘gotcha’ and he more often than not wins those arguments. He’s making money along the way. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

            • +1 vote

              @snagseb: Just an FYI here. Bill C-16 had nothing to do with free speech, compelled speech or misgendering.

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                @Arcinspire: So bill C-16 doesn’t compel you by law to refer to someone by their pronoun?

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                  @snagseb: No it doesn't. It was completely misrepresented by Peterson. There are a bunch of articles that go into the changes made by Bill c-16, it was essentially to bring into line trans rights with other minority groups.

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                    @Arcinspire: Sort of. It doesn’t directly criminalise misuse of pronouns, but can be manipulated that way in extreme cases if argued in the court of law. This is just the beginning, it will eventually lead to that which is what Dr. Peterson is against.

          • +1 vote

            @p1 ama: I agree, however a lot of people see internal causation as right leaning and external causation being left leaning. Eg lack of societal support causes X, vs you need to take control yourself to make X happen. Both being partial truths but one without the other causes polarisation.

    • +2 votes

      Can you provide any examples?

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    One of the lost boys

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    Comes up as $14 for me at checkout

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    Might be worth checking out the author's views on a number of things before spending money on his book.

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson

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    So many commenter with hate they cant justify. Victims of unconscious bias.

    • +4 votes

      Some of what he says is dangerous. If you think no one can justify their dislike of what this man says, you're not paying attention.

  • +6 votes

    Here we go again, trolls on their soapbox complaining again. Good book, not for everyone but that's why we have different bargains for different offerings.

    • +2 votes

      So you define a "troll" as anyone who disagrees with you?

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        Nope, I'm not defining anything.
        Only referring the people that come across antagonistic, argumentative or presumptuous.
        Kinda like your comment! :)

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          Well done. You couldn't have done better to prove my point.
          Hmm I guess…maybe if you'd said "Waaa waaa waaaa he doesn't agree with me. He's a poopy head".

  • -3 votes

    ITT: p0wn the lefties, unironically.

  • +15 votes

    Thanks for the morning comedy, comments we exactly what i expected.

    The book is great and while it's not for everyone, the unjustified hate towards him and he's works are a clear sign of a closed mind. If you dont' agree with him, that's fine. If you want to challenge he's ideas, cool. but come on, have some substance when you do so.

    *Biased as this was one of the books I read while in a dark place.

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    12 rules parents used to rightly teach their kids. It's age old wisdom with an in-depth analysis. I really enjoyed this book and this is an amazing price.

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    It's amazing how a bargain can get some people so worked up

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    Thank you. Just bought it.

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