UberEATS Motorcycle/Scooter Drivers Not Knowing Road Rules

p1 ama on 16/07/2019 - 16:36
Last edited 16/07/2019 - 22:34 by 1 other user

Just wondering if everyone else has been noticing the particularly poor driving by UberEATS motorcycle/scooter riders? Usually seem to be overseas license with little understanding of Australian road rules, cutting and swerving everywhere and honestly just an accident waiting to happen.

For the record, I have both a car and motorcycle license and understand the rules for both cars and motorcycles.

The other day when I was in a carpark, I saw the following altercation between an UberEATS rider and a driver. I was stationary and waiting for the guy in front of me to reverse into a parking spot (on the left) when an UberEATS rider tried to cut in from my left and behind the reversing car. Obviously they were on a collision course, I beeped my horn so the driver would stop. The driver and UberEATS rider got into a physical altercation afterwards.

I think the issue is that these riders are riding like in Asia, where they can just cut in anywhere and just ride anywhere where there is space, there's little understanding of just waiting for the guy in front of you. I find that Australia tends to be very car centric, so as a rider, I find that if I try to act as much like a car as possible, it's generally less dangerous.

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- salbee28 on 18/07/2019 - 09:37
  
  I don't think its fair to tar every motorcyclist/scooterist with the same brush about this kind of riding, there are plenty of riders who do follow the rules & ride safely.
- 91rs on 18/07/2019 - 09:38
  
  +1
  
  More often scooter riders as they are the ones who buy one as its cheap transport and they think they're exempt to the rules.
  All the motorcyclists I know fear for their lives much more than scooter riders and are much more law abiding as well as spatially alert, something that scooter riders aren't!
  - db87 on 18/07/2019 - 14:03
    
    +1
    
    It's this simple mindedness and disregard for motorcyclists that really boils my blood. Get a clue seraphin/troll. 😡
    - Seraphin7 on 19/07/2019 - 10:33
      
      Pull your head in. It's motorcyclists squirting into gaps that aren't there, using my stopping room as their merge space, knocking my mirrors while "filtering" that really boils my blood. It's actions that stem from the precise attitude that you're exhibiting here.
      - p1 ama on 20/07/2019 - 11:59
        
        @Seraphin7:
        
        using my stopping room as their merge space
        
        It's not your merge slave, it's public land.
      - db87 on 21/07/2019 - 18:32
        
        @Seraphin7: LOL
        
        SMH
        
        About all your response is worth.
        
        Seraphin7 on 21/07/2019 - 19:33
        
        @db87: That's cool. Glad to see you've done your bit to keep up the perception of motorcyclists. Basically the most entitled of all road users.
        
        db87 on 22/07/2019 - 10:03
        
        @Seraphin7: Again, you can't change simple-minded people's opinions, there-in lies the problem, so yes, I won't bother wasting any more of my time on you.
        
        Seraphin7 on 22/07/2019 - 10:53
        
        @db87: Yeah, I know. That's why I gave up on motorcyclists a long time ago. Once the entitlement gets in, the die is cast.
FareEvader on 18/07/2019 - 09:28

+3

They're always driving on the footpaths in Melb CBD which is very dangerous for pedestrians. In the suburbs, to get around a red light, I see them on the footpaths again! My theory is that they have to meet delivery time quotas, even at the cost of public safety.
aspirepranesh on 18/07/2019 - 09:29

+1

I have to agree with OP here! I live in the Valley in Brisbane in an apartment precinct which has about 10 restaurants around the building at the ground level. There are about 60 public parking spots for customers who are visiting the shops and restaurants!

I have lived here for about 2+ years and my biggest issue is with these Ubereats/Deliveroo/any other food service riders, especially on scooters/motorbikes/bikes where they have no idea about the parking/road rules! They don't give way to pedestrians and don't indicate. I have given a mouthful to couple of riders - One who almost took me out at the pedestrian crossing and an other one who ran into my car without realizing that I was coming in and she decided to come on to my lane with no indication on a bike! A lot/majority of these riders are Brazilian/South American/Indian and use their overseas license to do these deliveries and have no idea about the road rules.

I myself am of an Indian origin and I know how road rules work in India, and no way in hell I would be doing deliveries here without a local license which atleast gives me a knowledge of the most common road rules!
91rs on 18/07/2019 - 09:35

+1

Its a total sh!t fight in parts of Melbourne with these scooter riders riding up and down pedestrian walk ways and footpaths, up mall sections and pretty much where ever they like. It does feel like being in parts of Asia seeing this happen daily, plenty of close calls and disregard for others when riding areas they're not meant to be.
Uber and deliveroo riders are bad, however its the specific Asian delivery service which has a QR code and no English (i've seen, dont know the name of it but yellow logo) who do a lot of deliveries from Asian food places nearby who seem to be the ones who give zero f#cks.
I had attempted to explain to one guy who nearly hit me on the footpath that he cant ride his scooter on footpaths, sadly I was met with a dumb glazed over look as he was just ignoring me or didn't care (didn't understand?).
- rave75 on 18/07/2019 - 11:22
  
  Agreed, those in yellow bikes are the worst offender, seen them heaps in Chatswood & Sydney CBD.
- ankor on 18/07/2019 - 19:10
  
  One got absolutely cleaned up on the Story Bridge in Brisbane about a month ago. Very serious injuries apparently, 60kph zone, unsafe merging, vulnerable scooter riders with no regard for their own safety, bloody stupid imo.
- [Deactivated] on 18/07/2019 - 21:32
  
  You're talking about EASI: https://easi.com.au/en/
  
  And yes, their riders wouldn't know a road rule if it literally hit them in the face.
- supajuicy on 18/07/2019 - 22:34
  
  Agree, the "yellow army" in Melbourne CBD blatantly ignore any/all rules … saw one go through a red light in peak hour a week ago and was surprised they didn't get cleaned up.
ATangk on 18/07/2019 - 10:19

To add to it every scooter rider is pressing their phone whilst riding. Obviously due to the nature of their work but these distractions don't help.
abb on 18/07/2019 - 10:33

People paid per delivery cut corners in order to do more deliveries per hour. What a completely unforeseeable outcome!
- p1 ama on 18/07/2019 - 11:19
  
  +1
  
  People paid per delivery cut corners in order to do more deliveries per hour. What a completely unforeseeable outcome!
  
  Plenty of people do jobs that are paid "per thing done" and they don't go around creating a public safety hazard and breaking the law.
  - abb on 18/07/2019 - 13:54
    
    +1
    
    Those jobs are probably conducted on private property!
    
    Taxis, couriers, tradies, and so on will frequently drive/park terribly because it makes them money.
    
    Uber et al solve the problem through a passenger feedback rating, but no-one's gonna give their Thai delivery rider 4 stars because their food arrived too quickly!
myusername on 18/07/2019 - 10:33

-4

australia is still a developing country what do you expect?
rave75 on 18/07/2019 - 11:20

-1

Nice compliment.

I saw this most of the time in the cbd area and it is not exclusively to uber eats bicycle, more like most of the cyclist really (uber eats, the others equivalent of uber eats and your normal cyclist too). Some of them obviously knows the rules (can't ride on footpath etc), but they choose to ignore them because it is more convenient and hasn't land them any trouble I guess.
dojomojo on 18/07/2019 - 11:51

I witnessed an incident with a delivery scooter yesterday - scooter changed lanes and hit the car in front of me - all at low speed. He then crawled to a stop in the middle of the lane, I had to drive around him.
nosey on 18/07/2019 - 12:15

A couple of months ago at the Canberra license shopfront, there was an Indian girl (about 20yo). She was asking to book in for another driving test as she failed her last one. The govt. employee asked if she had a full license in India. She said yes, then the lady said "oh, no need then to do the test, we recognise your o/s license". She then got a full open license.

I'm all for recognising driving experience from wherever it comes, but damn, she just admitted failing…
- zooter on 18/07/2019 - 16:05
  
  +7
  
  I highly doubt it. Indian licenses are not recognized in Australia. Yes, they're recognized for the experience, but you still have to pass a driving test and cannot just get a license without passing the test
  - Hardlyworkin on 19/07/2019 - 17:35
    
    +1
    
    I agree and call BS, though their user name definitely checks out!
Gnosh on 18/07/2019 - 12:27

+1

100% op, feel like I'm dealing with these idiots all the time. Not just limited to UberEats, they seem to be a plague upon all delivery services.
[Deactivated] on 18/07/2019 - 13:14

Safe uber eats driver or quick delivery of nice, warm food when you use uber eats - pick one :P
- p1 ama on 18/07/2019 - 17:11
  
  +1
  
  False dichotomy really. My issue is not really about speed, but more so about the fact that most of them are oblivious as to their surroundings, do not look before going and spend more time looking at their phone than the road because they do not know where they are going.
- TEER3X on 19/07/2019 - 17:21
  
  Agree to some extent. Obviously they make more money the more they deliver.
  
  I think they watch the movie Premium Rush as part of their morning wake up routine.
rehevoli on 18/07/2019 - 14:08

+3

I have to agree - I've seen them overtake in turning lanes just to go straight, going up cycle lanes, etc etc

I saw two motorcycle drivers of a particular food delivery business zooming off merging in and out of traffic irately one late night in a suburb of melbourne, they ended up cutting me off and speeding up. Little did they know there was a fixed speed camera at the next traffic light.

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vr4indian on 18/07/2019 - 14:42

+2

Agree with OP.

Way they cross or ride on the road , I always worry about safety. Even if ubereats rider is 100% at fault, you know that car driver has to go with test and inquiries resulting to loss of job or lifetime big implications.

Many times in night they are not visible due to absence of high visibility clothes. Saw them Riding with headphone on which is really dangerous…

Migration does not necessarily means Manners.
funnysht on 18/07/2019 - 15:55

i think the real idiot is the driver and/or uber driver starting/continuing a fight. sure you're angry but just leave it and park. Should be happy you got a parking spot in city.
- funnysht on 18/07/2019 - 15:56
  
  i have no idea how i did that
  - funnysht on 18/07/2019 - 15:56
    
    +1
    
    actually now i know.
- p1 ama on 18/07/2019 - 17:13
  
  The UberEATS rider started the fight by kicking the driver's car. The driver got out and it turned into a brawl.
  - funnysht on 18/07/2019 - 19:31
    
    as long as kick the car- but no damage, i wouldnt get involved. not worth it.
prinsenhof on 18/07/2019 - 18:27

Wouldnt worry too much about it. In a couple of years they'll all be replaced by drones/automated delivery cars. Instead of near misses, those will just hit/scrape and fall on your car and you'll be left waiting on the phone for 50 minutes to the company only to be disconnected because no one actually works at the call center.

Future tech FTW
Kamsi on 18/07/2019 - 20:03

I have to say I had first hand experience with Ubereats driver. I was waiting to cross the road at the traffic light and just when the light turn green to walk I was almost hit by the driver, he basically run a red light.
TEER3X on 18/07/2019 - 20:46

Good free quiz if you're in Victoria
https://www.racv.com.au/on-the-road/driving-maintenance/road…
piece on 18/07/2019 - 23:47

Just wondering what happens re insurance if you are driving and get into an accident with a delivery bicycle and you are 100% not at fault?
- p1 ama on 19/07/2019 - 00:11
  
  +1
  
  Exactly the same thing as getting into an accident with anyone else, I would assume?
striker5950 on 19/07/2019 - 01:42

every uber eats person ive seen is indian or chinese, idk maybe its my area idk, not being racist as i do have 1 indian friend and ive told him this and he agrees. so yeh they are new here and they might not know the road rules that much, or they are used to driving like that over at tehir own country. but hey no one else would rather do this sh!it paying job anyway, its good for them as its flexible hours as they probably need to study or work a second job, so they do this as fillers
freemoneyhunter on 19/07/2019 - 07:06

I hit one in my car, I was driving at 40km looking for a street address and he overtakes me in the bicycle left lane and hit him when I went to turn into someones driveway.
- CalmLemons on 19/07/2019 - 09:41
  
  Been in this scenario many times in the city. What happens as a driver when we turn left from the left lane and the idiot cyclist tries to squeeze in from the left? Who has right of way?
  
  Especially in melbourne with the hook turns, the uber and food delivery drivers just take any path around you, literally have to check 360" before taking any turn.
  - freemoneyhunter on 19/07/2019 - 17:27
    
    You are not supposed to overtake on the left anyway.
    - tranter on 20/07/2019 - 09:56
      
      Cyclists are allowed to overtake stopped or slow moving traffic on the left.
  - tranter on 20/07/2019 - 10:21
    
    I think both cyclists and motorists have to be more considerate on the roads. Last month I was riding my bike when a Startrack van overtook me and then proceeded to immediately cut across in front of me at very close quarters into a left hand turning lane.
    
    I don't even ride that much but still had this very close and scary experience. It goes both ways. We all really need to take more care on the roads.
- tranter on 20/07/2019 - 10:11
  
  +1
  
  A cyclist is considered a vehicle. If they are travelling in the bicycle lane on the left and you are turning left you are required to give way to them. You can't just cut them off. It's the same as if a car or truck was travelling in a lane to your left. You would be required to give way to them and I bet you would be more careful!
  - CalmLemons on 24/07/2019 - 20:30
    
    What we if are already turning left and they try to overtake.
    
    In another situation, if there are no bicycle lanes and we turn left, who is at fault?
- Miss B on 21/07/2019 - 21:27
  
  You need to be more careful, if it had been a cyclist you'd be 100% at fault. If it was a motorcycle or scooter they shouldn't have been there, but I think you'd share some of the blame because you should have seen them when you were looking for cyclists. Same as anyone on the footpath, you need to give way.
Bid Sniper on 19/07/2019 - 10:51

+1

Saw one on his phone smash right into a tree infront of me…

Wont be long before people start getting killed. Needs to be a police crackdown on these unsafe riders.
OzBestDeal on 19/07/2019 - 12:39

Have you seen these delivery people on bicycle?
It's a lot worse than when they're on motorbike.
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SupeNintendoChalmers on 19/07/2019 - 15:11

Give them a break people! They work on slave wages to deliver you food
- Kamsi on 19/07/2019 - 20:13
  
  Yeah Hopefully, they won't kill someone along the way.
TEER3X on 19/07/2019 - 17:18

Drove into the Melbourne cbd today and saw two delivery drivers and can confirm everything said in this thread is true. Hopefully they have good insurance.

Saw another motorbike on the freeway cut overtake in between 2 cars, luckily I saw him as I was about to merge. A tiny part of me wanted to collect him with my car, but I don't think anyone wins with that scenario.
Punda on 19/07/2019 - 21:00

Don’t forget deliveroo!
mezje on 19/07/2019 - 22:11

Plenty of times I see them cruising in 80/100 zones 30-40 ks under the limit looking for turns. Was towing a car and had one bolt to the right and slow by 40ks suddenly, was not fun.

See plenty of them going up tram only areas in Melbourne too.
Mx2 on 20/07/2019 - 12:12

The bigger question is, why does anyone order from these food delivery companies in the first place?

Yes the drivers are terrible and likely to get injured (or worse) for a few dollars. But to those that order food, have you thought about when the last time the satchel was sanitised, or even when the driver last washed their hands with hot soap and dried them thoroughly? What about the McDonalds delivered in a car insulated in just a paper bag and then placed where someones butt or muddy shoes were previously? That paper bag is porous and and just millimetres from the seat or floor of a car.

At least back in the days when the restaurants actually had their own staff delivering food, the delivery driver could return to the store and use the bathroom, wash their hands with hot soap and water and thoroughly dry them. The delivery satchels were also likely to be kept in store and sanitised often.

If you order from any of these companies, you are supporting poor road safety practices and likely oblivious to basic hygiene standards. Enjoy your meal :)
- whooah1979 on 20/07/2019 - 21:09
  
  +1
  
  You better keep away from shopping trolleys.
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4654458/Shopping-…
  https://au.news.yahoo.com/faecal-bacteria-found-in-supermark…
- p1 ama on 21/07/2019 - 02:16
  
  +1
  
  If you order from any of these companies, you are supporting poor road safety practices
  
  That's just not true. It's not the job of the end consumer to be making sure that rules and regulations are adhered to. That's why we have regulatory bodies, in this case, it's the job of the police.
  
  UberEATS customers are no more responsible for the road safety practices of their delivery drivers than Westpac's customers are of their dodgy business practices, or Volkswagen's customers are of their emissions scandals…etc.
  - Mx2 on 21/07/2019 - 10:06
    
    +2
    
    I disagree.
    
    I tend to avoid companies with dodgy practices. I acknowledge not all consumemrs do, but consumers have the power to change business practices each time they make a purchase (or don't make a purchase).
    
    If an airline has a dodgy safety reputation, I would avoid it. However I guess there are other customers that would see that they are not responsible for the safety of the said airline and would step onboard. If anything goes wrong, you could also argue that its the responsiblity of the regulatory bodies. While that is certainly true, I would prefer to spend my money with an ethical airline commited to safety.
    - p1 ama on 21/07/2019 - 12:25
      
      +1
      
      Except there are plenty of issues with that sort of argument. Many consumers are not aware of the potentially dodgy practices a company engages in. Further, it's unlikely that anything you do at an individual level will ultimately change the company.
      - Mx2 on 21/07/2019 - 21:55
        
        @p1 ama: Watch this. Then make up your own mind if these companies really have the consumers interests at heart. (now or in the past)
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsFxzH7lV8U
        
        p1 ama on 22/07/2019 - 21:11
        
        @Mx2: I never said they do, I said they don't hence we need government regulation and enforcement to make sure they do the right thing.
Baghern on 20/07/2019 - 12:17

meh ALL delivery drivers cut corners.

The worse are white vans.
oztite on 20/07/2019 - 18:17

+1

"How dare you come to my country and risk your life to serve me by delivering my food in a fast manner with me paying peanuts for delivery fee? If only you are half as intelligent as the rest of us then perhaps you can learn the road rules and some basic road manners. The fact that you cannot deliver my food in time so it stays hot when I receive it when following all the road rules is none of my damn business. I am gonna sit on my lazy ass and expect a hot meal, and if it comes too slow then by God I am gonna complaint to Uber about you until they give me a heavy discount for my next meal. Seriously, considering how bad of a rider you are, once you have served me and delivered my food you can just, as Trump would say, go back to your country…"

You forfeited your rights to complain about any of these hard working people the moment you installed a UberEats or Deliveroo app.
- p1 ama on 20/07/2019 - 23:08
  
  +2
  
  You forfeited your rights to complain about any of these hard working people the moment you installed a UberEats or Deliveroo app.
  
  Whether they're hardworking or not is besides the point. Just because they're hardworking does not give them the right to endanger other people and/or break road rules. You're just trying to drum up sympathy and ignore the underlying issue here.
  
  If I'm running late for work (through no fault of my own, e.g. traffic incident slowing down traffic), does that give me to endanger others because my boss is going to complain about me being late?
  - oztite on 21/07/2019 - 09:51
    
    I disagree, if your work is designed so you must be breaking all the rules in order to hit the target, then it's the company's fault. This is not about sympathy, it's about if you endorse the delivery company's model, then you must accept the consequences. It's like ppl that buy from Amazon and then complain about treatment of their warehouse workers - it's a package!
    - p1 ama on 21/07/2019 - 12:23
      
      I disagree, if your work is designed so you must be breaking all the rules in order to hit the target, then it's the company's fault.
      
      I never said that it wasn't the responsibility of UberEATS to enforce safety standards. I agree with this.
      
      This is not about sympathy, it's about if you endorse the delivery company's model, then you must accept the consequences.
      
      I disagree with this. The risk posed is not just to those who order delivered food, but also to those who don't, so it's become a societal issue.
      
      Beyond that, it's not the job of end consumers to be policing the actions of large corporations. That's the role of regulatory bodies and government agencies. To take your Amazon example, if someone doesn't agree with Amazon's practices, their boycott of Amazon will not change a single thing.
  - whooah1979 on 21/07/2019 - 10:01
    
    Every delivery driver/rider we've meet violate some road rules every day to achieve their daily KPI.
    
    We live in a busy city where we want our food to be delivered on time or before time.
Freeza on 21/07/2019 - 19:54

Not all motorcycle/scooter riders are rash drivers, just because of some idiot drivers we don't have the right to abuse the entire community. I asked some random delivery boy why he ride on side of road rather than following all the car traffic in middle, he told me that riding motorcycle/scooter on tram tracks in middle of the road is really risky and nearly impossible especially in rainy season, he also mentioned that he already had accident couple of times already because of slippery tram tracks even riding at 20km/s. The point here is not all delivery drivers are crazy drivers and after all, they are the one who delivers your food in extreme cold/hot/rainy weather. If they break road safety rules then they do get heavy fines specified by the government, if they hit someone then yes they will get punished accordingly like rest of normal drivers on road. All other people started building their own prospective and lashing at every driver/community/region just because a person created this thread had a bad experience with some random delivery driver.
lysp on 21/07/2019 - 20:13

Another issue is they are often "filtering" using bike lanes - between parked cars and single lane of traffic.

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i think the real idiot is the driver and/or uber driver starting/continuing a fight. sure you're angry but just leave it and park. Should be happy you got a parking spot in city.

i have no idea how i did that

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