[NSW] 1 Full Session of EMS Training for $29 (Normal Price $79) @ J’M Tonic, Manly

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AssociatedLMats on 21/10/2019 - 22:57 jmtonic.com.au (444 clicks)
Last edited 21/10/2019 - 23:13 by 1 other user

• We're located in Manly, NSW
• The offer is $29 for a full, normal session for a first time client (normal price $79).
• We have other deals ($115 for 3 sessions, free limited trial) but this is time limited and deep discounted.
• We've just opened and just want everyone to see our studio.
• This can only be booked by our site chat or phone (0431 778 801).

The product: Full-body EMS training is a highly effective and time-efficient training method for increasing muscle strength and mass whilst simultaneously reducing body fat. A training session lasts just 20 minutes and is always conducted with a qualified trainer who monitors the training and its success. We do a bonus 3 minutes of anti cellulite treatment and 3 minutes of body relaxation impulses so you don't become sore in your muscles after the training. Once a week is sufficient for reliably achieving individual goals. For intense training we recommend no more than two sessions a week, since one session with us is equivalent to spending 4 hours at the gym.

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  jv on 21/10/2019 - 23:05

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  just want everyone to see our studio.

  why not just post some photos?

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  Jenny Death on 22/10/2019 - 00:43

  Friend, "Miha Bodytec is a scientifically proven method used for decades in Europe for rehabilitation and sports medicine". Where are the papers? All the studies I found say that it did nothing. From what I can see it's ineffective for muscle pain and gainingmuscle definition. In an extremely small study (n=33) it showed only minimal psychophysiological benefits.

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    Drogo on 22/10/2019 - 08:38

    How about just more information about what you're getting into on the website? That quote is the only information and the rest is contact information. Smells like they don't know what they are doing and have very little to back up the business. I mean 'Tonic' is right there in the business name…

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      AssociatedMats @ jmtonic.com.au on 22/10/2019 - 12:15

      Lol @ at the tonic comment. We did not think of that - the name is from our French "parent" company (https://www.jmtonic.fr/) and is referring to the physiological response and not the snake oil… (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonic_(physiology))

      The website is a sore point - it's just there for clients to make and change reservations and to have our contact details and chat available. Our Facebook page is a bit more developed and has a lot of pictures of our actual studio if it helps build a bit more trust in the legitimacy.

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        Drogo on 22/10/2019 - 12:44

        No worries, had a look around the facebook page. Best of luck with the business and hope it helps some become more active.

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    AssociatedMats @ jmtonic.com.au on 22/10/2019 - 09:10

    Hey Siddeeqi, thanks for asking! We definitively should include better documentation on our web site.

    I'd love to hear more which studies you are looking at. When looking at meta reviews, I'd say there is evidence depending on what outcome variable you're looking at (preserving muscle mass, reducing pain, other) and for what sub group. I like to look at meta reviews as they're the gold standard in research results, but they come with the challenge that they are usually for specific medical cases. Some examples with significant results:

    Electrical Muscle Stimulation in the Intensive Care Setting
    https://cdn.journals.lww.com/ccmjournal/Abstract/2013/10000/…

    Neuromuscular electrical stimulation for muscle strengthening in elderly with knee osteoarthritis – A systematic review
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S174438811…

    Looking at normal use for athletes, the evidence is in favor of EMS in combination with active resistance training - which is exactly what we offer.
    See for example: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21909714

    This also reach similar recommendations: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21847574

    Take note that we're not claiming this as a miracle cure. The value we propose with EMS is that it's an alternative to gym workouts - but it's faster. So if you don't find results where EMS is significantly outperforming normal endurance training, that is in line with our claims. As long as they don't show it as significantly worse. We're an alternative for people who are short on time, don't like the gym, just like EMS or find it as an effective complimentary training to other things they do.

    Happy to hear your further thoughts. And 100% agree we should provide better documentation on our website.

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      Drogo on 22/10/2019 - 09:39

      Appreciate the extra information here, but your response is a little contradictory and even the linked articles suggest caution to its effectiveness in many cases.
      Seems like it's best used in people that have little mobility to reduce muscle atrophy.

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        AssociatedMats @ jmtonic.com.au on 22/10/2019 - 12:37

        The research is also cautious, complex and maybe even contradictory (not sure about that one), but that's not unusual for any clinical research. I don't agree the published research is as clear cut as is claimed below, that there are no significant benefits. What we do is mostly in line with what is found to give results, which is that it needs to be done in combination with dynamic exercise. When you do a routine with us, we got a certified personal trainer guiding you through an exercise routine either individually or together with one other client at the same time.

        There's more research on results on normal healthy adults/athletes I didn't include above, as I don't know of a good meta review. There's a few individual experiments here:

        Prolonged electrical muscle stimulation exercise improves strength and aerobic capacity in healthy sedentary adults.
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16081619

        Effects Of Electromyostimulation Training On Muscle Strength And Power Of Elite Rugby Players
        https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/ff55/dcdc085fb40ee9367d1392…

        Hope this helps a bit. Also super happy to discuss further. You bargain hunters are clearly not kidding around.

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  MuddyClear on 22/10/2019 - 08:41

  According to PUBMED scientific research articles there is no significant benefit to EMS.

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    AssociatedMats @ jmtonic.com.au on 22/10/2019 - 12:38

    Hey BongoOB - I tried to address this in comments above as someone raised the same concern. Let me know if those comments helps.