Disgusting Racism by Australian Youfoodz CEO and Actress Fiancée

xinyi on 06/11/2019 - 18:47

Who knew the makers of pre-packaged, overpriced crap are actually closet racists.

YouFoodz needs to fire the CEO, even if he is the founder.

Lance Giles, CEO and founder of meal delivery business Youfoodz, and his fiancée Jordana Stott were caught on video mocking Asian people while in Singapore for the Global Restaurant Leadership summit.

The second clip, which is even more expletive-laden, captures a group of Asian guests posing for a picture in a swimming pool, as Stott mockingly comments, “Get it cts, fing get the photo, oh f**ing yeah she-shing.” A male voice, presumably belonging to Giles, can also be heard repeating Stott’s last words “she-shing,” attempting to mimic an Asian language.

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- - - - crentist on 08/11/2019 - 18:12
        
        @HighAndDry: I think if you can't admit nuance, you force yourself and others into a polarised argument that can only resemble more of a shitfight than any kind of discussion.
        Also a shame because everything has nuance, that's the interesting part. You can defend these guys, others can attack them, but if I don't know why someone thinks either way then their words are meaningless. Similarly, if I choose not or can't to explain why I think something, then I would appear to be on shaky ground, and may well be.
        
        And I'm not so fixed in my views that I wouldn't mind a good reason to admit why I'm wrong, or that that others have a point, or at least that they seem to have any actual reason for thinking and saying something. Lot of people seem to just be quoting other peoples twitter fights these days.
        (sidenote, I've been noticing that I'm getting into a lot of discussions lately over people making poor arguments about a topic, than getting into the actual topic itself)
        
        On this particular topic though, I'm not sure that it taking place in Singapore, with a different majority, matters that much. Sure no one was hurt, no harm was caused. But even if it was in Aus, they were making jokes between themselves, so that'd still be the case, and there's nothing to suggest that they would or wouldn't go around attacking Asians with their bad jokes back home.
        
        But that doesn't matter because that's not the relevant context in which this is being looked at. Instead it's from the POV of Australians judging the behaviour of Australian-based businesses/owners. Which unfortunately for them is still relevant across borders, and not excused by any foreign context they were in at the time. If they were ingratiating themselves with some racist Singaporeans, maybe that'd be an excuse. But Aussies making some pretty lame racist jokes between themselves in their downtime in Singapore can reasonably be treated the same as making the same lame jokes in Aus, with whatever repercussions that may have.
        
        What those repercussions should be, is another matter. Just ironing out the nuances here.
  - Tuukmaak on 10/11/2019 - 09:33
    
    We're basically all the same race with different levels of melanin. The issue is when one culture looks down on another culture yet is two-faced about it - like these guys - "we think you slant eye chinks are idiots, but hey we'll do business with you because we love money". I appreciate the rednecks and the neo Nazis, at least you know where they stand - they'll stab you in the front, not in the back! (Re: the slant eyes comment, I'm not racist because I'm Asian lol…really).
- kiitos on 07/11/2019 - 13:31
  
  +14
  
  In what scenarios are Asians being racist to other Asians and that behaviour is acceptable?
  - HighAndDry on 08/11/2019 - 17:22
    
    Southern Chinese will generalise against and assume all Northerners are brutish, uncultured, and violent.
    
    Northern Chinese will generalise against and assume all Southern Chinese are weak and overly sensitive.
    
    Perfectly acceptable in basically all of China.
    
    No one really bats an eye or cares, it's accepted to be generally true (enough) and harmless.
- [Deactivated] on 07/11/2019 - 15:39
  
  +3
  
  One is done out of humour and one is done out of malice.
  
  Both can say whatever they want but if I perceive malicious intent, I'd have no association with the person.
- ely on 07/11/2019 - 19:11
  
  +1
  
  Context? Who says it's acceptable?
- juki on 08/11/2019 - 09:39
  
  +1
  
  who said it was acceptable ? otherwise i suppose colonialism kind of blew it for caucasians (and US overseas army bases*because they behave like idiots even among other western communities)
  - HighAndDry on 08/11/2019 - 17:24
    
    The backlash against "white people" is basically tall poppy syndrome applied to cultures and across centuries.
    
    These people were very successful in what everyone at the time were doing or trying to do, so they're bad.
    
    Let's not forget, everyone in those times were engaged in aggressive wars for territorial gain and cultural dominance. Europeans just won.
    - juki on 08/11/2019 - 19:00
      
      I only understood your last paragraph, which it might be so (and yes we should understand history in it's context) but it probably does play against westerners in some places.
      It probably is also abused by some, and yeah there is asian on asian racism but imo that isn't right, neither is the n word even among the black community
- Gauntlet on 08/11/2019 - 21:43
  
  +3
  
  Racism is kind of common in Japan. I had a guy do the round eye thing with his fingers to me, I did the Asian version back, not my proudest moment but the guy laughed and we ended up drinking together.
  Later we arm wrestled as the whole bar cheered on.
  Weird night.
  - happirt on 09/11/2019 - 01:06
    
    -1
    
    there is no 'racisim' in asia. it's a western value/term.
    - Gauntlet on 09/11/2019 - 08:18
      
      -1
      
      Discrimination based on race is not a thing in Asia?
      That's definitely not true.
      Asian racial naivete is definitely a thing though.
      - happirt on 09/11/2019 - 17:15
        
        +1
        
        @Gauntlet: It happens a lot, but it's not in asian culture/systems to identify or recognize them. Racism is not a term they are aware of. It's viewed differently to how the west sees as 'racist'. Most asian counties are conservative and not multicultural. Being called out as a racist in asia is rare.
        
        It's only western influences that have brought on "racism awareness" because they deal with it more often in their multicultural value system.
[Deactivated] on 06/11/2019 - 19:30 Comment score below threshold.
- plmko on 06/11/2019 - 19:34
  
  Cool story
  
  Except you know, wrong country.
  - [Deactivated] on 06/11/2019 - 19:35
    
    -3
    
    In essence, you don't need to get upset over it.
- zonra on 06/11/2019 - 20:47
  
  +67
  
  This kind of mentality is exactly how racists still get away with being racists.
  “Oh it’s just a harmless joke.”
  “Oh toughen up princess.”
  “Oh go back to your country if you think this is racist.”
  And
  
  (Oh) “you don’t need to get upset over it.”
  “You just live with it and suck it up”
  
  You do that, I sure as hell won’t.
  - rlay3 on 07/11/2019 - 18:55
    
    +3
    
    I wonder what everyone's reaction would be if they used gay or sexist slurs instead of racial? I doubt anybody will say "it's just a joke" or "toughen up".
- songsong on 06/11/2019 - 20:50
  
  +30
  
  Just ignore that video, it's nothing. That's normal.
  Frankly, you come to Australia, you better be expected to assimilate.
  
  This is exactly why there is still racism in this country.
  
  Why should people be expected to be compliant with outright racism? Free speech is different to hate speech, and it's assumptious of you to think that residents come from a country in a lesser position than Australia.
  - tpup1 on 07/11/2019 - 12:48
    
    +1
    
    What do you mean - people don't come from countries in a lesser position than Australia? Of course they do. Why would you come to Australia if not for a better life?
    - songsong on 07/11/2019 - 13:14
      
      +3
      
      Why would you come to Australia if not for a better life?
      
      So you're saying that Australia is a better country than the countries of every immigrant within Australia? Think about that for a second.
      
      It sounds as though you're stuck in the mentality that everyone who immigrates to Australia are refugees escaping from an impoverished third world country. You fail to recognize that people come here for a myriad of reasons including family, business, education, tourism etc. and the list goes on.
      
      I agree that people would come to Australia in the hopes of a better life, mainly because as people we strive for the betterment of ourselves irregardless of where we are, but to assume that the countries they come from are any less than what this nation is, is a foolhardy mindset that not only embarrasses you as an Australian, but also the nation you represent.
      - chriskq on 07/11/2019 - 13:40
        
        +3
        
        @songsong: those reasons you list seem to mimic Tpup's response of 'for a better life' no?
      - tpup1 on 07/11/2019 - 13:41
        
        @songsong:
        
        So you're saying that Australia is a better country than the countries of every immigrant within Australia?
        
        I didn't say every immigrant, nor did I say better. Most of them absolutely do come from countries in a lesser position than Australia, in that if you want to live a good life it's a lot easier here than there.
    - ely on 07/11/2019 - 19:18
      
      +5
      
      As a Kiwi, I mainly moved here to give Aussies grief and to confuse them by calling thongs jandals and ending sentences in "eh" when I'm not actually asking a question. Bastards got me though, because ending sentences in "but" when you're not asking a question is even more confusing!
      - lunchbox99 on 07/11/2019 - 20:49
        
        +2
        
        @ely: Calling a thong, a what? You have totally bamboozled me. Mission accomplished eh.
        
        ely on 07/11/2019 - 21:13
        
        @lunchbox99:
        
        The term flip-flop has been used in American and British English since the 1960s to describe the thong or no-heel-strap sandal. It is an onomatopoeia of the sound made by the sandals when walking in them.[2] They are called thongs (sometimes pluggers[3]) in Australia,[4] jandals (originally a trademarked name derived from "Japanese sandals") in New Zealand,[5] slops or “visplakkies” in South Africa[6] and Zimbabwe, and tsinelas or step-in in the Philippines (or, in some Visayan localities, "smagol", from the word smuggled).
        
        As opposed to thongs.
        
        I tried calling them flip flops for a while but it just doesn't feel right (like trying to call a duvet a doona) so went back to jandals so that I could enjoy the confusion. Unfortunately it seems like most Melbournians understand Kiwi these days and so there's just not that much confusion to go around.
        
        lunchbox99 on 08/11/2019 - 00:05
        
        @ely: Lol, project mayhem has stalled.
        
        PS I enjoyed that link but I scrolled too far! What has been seen cannot be unseen! The mens pouch thong will haunt my nightmares for a long, long time.
        
        ely on 08/11/2019 - 07:45
        
        @lunchbox99: I have to admit that I didn't go that far myself… thanks for the heads up, will not revisit :D
    - crentist on 07/11/2019 - 22:25
      
      Plenty of reasons. The issue is what you mean by "better life".
      For some that just means weather and slow pace. Just ask any Brit why they would come to Aus, and remember whose face is on our money before saying they came from a "lesser" country (obv they are shitting the bed right now but still).
      
      The problem with assuming all migrants are coming from somewhere "lesser" is that it results in very insular thinking, that Australia is already so awesome that there's nothing we could learn from the rest of the world because they all want to "upgrade" to Australia and they should simply "assimilate".
      
      When in fact Australia is generally seen as a bit of a nice, comfy, backwater. It's like a country town if you come from Sydney, but to every other more developed nation. And just like a country town, some people would rather work on a farm than be unemployed in the city, some people think their skills would be better in a different job market, and some simply hate the stress of city life.
      - tpup1 on 07/11/2019 - 22:37
        
        @crentist:
        
        from a "lesser" country
        
        I said lesser position, not lesser country…
        
        crentist on 07/11/2019 - 23:02
        
        @tpup1: Okay, but what puts them in a "lesser position", that is fixed by coming to Australia "for a better life"?
        
        it's assumptious(sic) of you to think that residents come from a country in a lesser position than Australia
        
        You replied to that with this:
        
        people don't come from countries in a lesser position than Australia? Of course they do. Why would you come to Australia if not for a better life?
        
        You responded to a point about assuming that migrants come from something "lesser" by questioning why else someone would migrate. Hence, assuming that all migrants are coming from a lesser something position, if not country.
        
        This distinction between all migrants coming from lesser countries, or lesser personal circumstances, is not distinct enough to invalidate anything in my post. Which was answering why many people would come to Australia without being from anything lesser.
        
        tpup1 on 07/11/2019 - 23:40
        
        @crentist: The distinction between lesser position and lesser country absolutely invalidates the main part of your post, which is actually just a rant about my insular thinking. Plus the example you gave of someone moving from Britain for the weather, that is literally an example of a lesser position and is actually consistent with what I said.
        
        Sure I get that someone's migrated to Australia from a Swiss chalet with great job prospects before, but that's not true in virtually every case.
        
        crentist on 08/11/2019 - 00:12
        
        @tpup1: Okay sure I might have missed the nuance your point, but I think you missed the same in point of the person you were replying to. Which was specifically about assuming a country, not a personal position, is lesser.
        In response to a baseless suggestion that the alternative to Australian racism would be for OP to “ return to a country without free speech” and that accepting racism should be normal part of their expected assimilation.
        
        The British example still holds. Because why should something as trivial as a preference for good weather open up someone who has the capability to make such a big move, for such a trivial reason, to any level of racism?
        
        tpup1 on 08/11/2019 - 07:40
        
        @crentist: It was specifically about countries in a lesser position, not lesser countries or lesser personal circumstances…
        
        I never suggested that move should open up someone to racism. I'm simply saying it's silly to think residents come from countries that aren't in a lesser position than Australia. Appreciating why people come actually helps reduce racism
        
        crentist on 08/11/2019 - 17:37
        
        @tpup1: Unclear what you are trying to say here. Are you saying that everyone is different, so of course some will be better or worse? Because that's very general to the point of being a meaningless point not worth making, especially in context of who you replied to and the broad assumptions they were taking issue with.
        
        Also "it's silly to think residents come from countries that aren't in a lesser position than Australia" is a statement that the countries are in a "lesser position", not the residents.
        Because the "residents (subject) come (verb) from countries (object) … "
        While (removing the double negative) it's the "countries (subject) that are in (verb) a lesser position than Australia (object)"
        
        The grammar here might almost make sense if you remove the country but leave the position, which would be "residents … that (are) in a lesser position than Australia". But this sounds a bit odd already due to the verb and tense, and it implies that "come from countries" is an adjective phrase. Which would make the subject "residents come from countries" which has absolutely no meaning at all because everybody comes from a country.
        
        Perhaps what you meant to say was "it's silly to think residents who come from other countries weren't in a lesser position than in Australia."
        
        Because this can be split into "it's silly to think residents (subject) … weren't in (verb) a lesser position than in Australia (object)."
        which makes sense, while cropping out "who come from other countries" which is a complete adjective phrase about the residents themselves. ie "residents who come from other countries (noun+adjective)"
        
        And I know this might seem very pedantic, but this isn't picking on your grammar just to be annoying.
        It's pointing how that you are saying one thing, but claiming that you are saying something else, while repeating the same meaning again. So it's not even very clear what you want to say and which part you feel has been misunderstood.
        
        Also because you haven't clarified what else you might mean by anyone or any country being in a "lesser" or "better" position. Because if that includes someone with a good career in a desirable developed country who came to Aus out of their own personal preference for weather, saying they came from something "lesser" is being a bit slap-happy with a pretty objectively negative label.
        
        tpup1 on 08/11/2019 - 19:47
        
        @crentist:
        
        Are you saying that everyone is different, so of course some will be better or worse?
        
        It's honestly remarkable that you somehow got that from what I said
        
        And I know this might seem very pedantic
        
        Seems…. it is pedantic. Surprise, your first guess was right. The other ones are basically you explaining what I would have meant, had I said something entirely different.
        
        crentist on 08/11/2019 - 19:53
        
        @tpup1:
        
        Surprise, your first guess was right.
        
        No, my first guess was that you understood what you were replying to, and then coherently made the point you wanted to make.
        
        My bad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
        
        tpup1 on 09/11/2019 - 01:37
        
        @crentist: bro, i've never seen someone go to such lengths to misunderstand what they were replying to as you. Ask a 2 year old to explain what I said, maybe that'll get it through in a way you can understand.
        
        crentist on 09/11/2019 - 15:41
        
        @tpup1: It’s not my misunderstanding dude, you misunderstood the person you replied to and don’t know what your own words mean. Which is why the person you replied to got the same meaning I did.
        
        And I did ask you to explain what you meant which you mostly ignored, but also failed when you tried. So I figured I’d break that failure right down so you might learn why your use of words was and continues to be bad.
        
        You’re right though a 2 year old probably would already be better with words.
        
        tpup1 on 09/11/2019 - 18:33
        
        @crentist: Mate, you're asking me to define lesser and better… it's not a legal text book, bloody hell. I could say it's cold outside and you'd come back asking what that means
        
        crentist on 10/11/2019 - 19:19
        
        @tpup1: No I wasn’t, but now I wonder if you even know what they mean. Lesser and better are comparative words. They need context to have meaning. I’m asking what comparison you think you are making and on what criteria.
        
        Eg if you said it’s cold outside that pretty clearly means low temperature. That’d be fine. But you basically said it’s lower outside while the conversation was about the traffic. I’m wondering what you meant about the traffic while you claim you were obviously talking about the weather, while refusing to say what you meant about the weather. Is it lower temperature? Wind? It shouldn’t be such a hard thing to clarify if you think it’s that obvious, but there’s nothing in context or your own words that indicates what you meant, or that you are aware you jumped into a conversation about the traffic.
        
        tpup1 on 10/11/2019 - 19:54
        
        @crentist:
        
        Also because you haven't clarified what else you might mean by anyone or any country being in a "lesser" or "better" position
        
        crentist on 10/11/2019 - 22:23
        
        @tpup1: Exactly. You still haven't. It's a vague claim, and you denied the most obvious thing that your words add up to and would make sense in context, without correctly saying you meant anything different. Which makes it even more vague.
        
        So basically, I'm better than you. You are lesser. There are plenty of objective and subjective criteria why you are lesser. Especially the one I'm talking about.
        
        tpup1 on 10/11/2019 - 23:30
        
        @crentist:
        
        Exactly. You still haven't.
        
        You just said you weren't asking that then flipped right back - you're full of it. Along with that absurd misrepresentation of this chat with that story about the traffic.
        
        Not only is it unnecessary to define better, by setting criteria you lose part of what it means.
        
        It's a vague claim, and you denied the most obvious thing that your words add up to and would make sense in context, without correctly saying you meant anything different.
        
        Most obvious my ass… it's a desperate miscostrual into racist, idiotic remarks. I'm merely pointing out those misconstruals aren't my words.
        
        crentist on 11/11/2019 - 02:43
        
        @tpup1:
        
        You just said you weren't asking that then flipped right back …
        
        No I didn't. I wasn't literally asking you "to define lesser and better", I was asking on what kind of basis you would assume that any random migrant comes from somewhere lesser, even the ones with the ability to migrate as a lifestyle choice.
        
        Most obvious my ass… it's a desperate miscostrual into racist, idiotic remarks.
        
        You responded to the claim that it's wrong to assume a random new resident (ie possibly OP) comes "from a country in a lesser position than Australia", by saying "What do you mean … Of course they do."
        Which doesn't need to be spun or misconstrued to sound like a racist, idiotic remark. It already does. Replacing the words "they" and "do" with the nouns and actions they represent, you get "Of course (new residents) (come from a country in a lesser position than Australia)". This actually is your words, with their context.
        
        And this your assertion of the validity of the assumption that they claimed is wrong, that the country that a random new resident comes from is in a lesser position than Australia. Which is why that same person responded with "So you're saying that Australia is a better country than the countries of every immigrant within Australia?".
        
        Except you seem to claim you weren't talking about countries, but that the migrants themselves must have come from individual circumstances that were worse in their home countries. And I'm sure that's true for plenty of people. But even outside of whoever "migrated to Australia from a Swiss chalet with great job prospects" there's still the absolute loads of other migrants who also come from good situations that have already provided them the wealth and skills to migrate as a lifestyle choice.
        
        In which case, asserting that they must have also come from something lesser just sounds like talking down their previous life for no particular reason, because why make the comparison at all.
        
        tpup1 on 12/11/2019 - 12:12
        
        @crentist:
        
        No I didn't.
        
        bs
        
        but that the migrants themselves must have come from individual circumstances that were worse in their home countries
        
        Never claimed that
        
        the absolute loads of other migrants who also come from good situations that have already provided them the wealth and skills to migrate as a lifestyle choice.
        
        Migrating as a lifestyle choice can easily fall under coming from a country in a lesser position than Australia, even though there is an element of personal preference
        
        sounds like talking down their previous life for no particular reason, because why make the comparison at all.
        
        The comparison helps you appreciate why people come. It's not talking down their previous life at all.
        
        crentist on 12/11/2019 - 15:45
        
        @tpup1:
        
        Never claimed that
        
        "What do you mean - people don't come from countries in a lesser position than Australia? Of course they do. Why would you come to Australia if not for a better life?"
        
        It's not talking down their previous life at all.
        
        If you make a negative comparison, that is completely baseless and generalised across migrants as a whole, then yea it is absolutely talking down their previous life.
        
        Migrating as a lifestyle choice can easily fall under coming from a country in a lesser position than Australia, even though there is an element of personal preference
        
        Seriously? Have you never heard of people moving to another country for fun? To try something new? For a person they met? For a work assignment?
        None of that tells you anything about their previous lives. You must be surrounded by some incredibly immobile people if you think there aren't plenty of people exploring the world simply to see it.
        
        I also wonder how limited your career experience is. Because the mobility offered by many large companies means that many large offices are full of expats, who have moved across the world to do the same job, in the same company, just somewhere else where they don't know anyone and have less social security, pretty much on a whim.
        
        eg I'm currently living in Tokyo. I came for fun and the novelty of not spending my entire life in one spot. There is currently a massive influx of highly skilled professional migrants for the 2020 Olympics, many of whom came on 3 year contracts for fun and curiosity because their company asked if they'd be interested. Others work directly for the Olympics, and move to a new country every few years because they enjoy frequent migration as a lifestyle. During this time, we are all new residents. Some will happily go back after, some will move on to another part of the world, and some will choose to spend their rest of their lives here.
        
        None of this tells you anything about my life in Australia or their lives back home, except maybe that we weren't too geographically tied down by inescapable responsibilities. There is not enough information to make any comparison between living situations.
        
        So assuming that anyone must have come from something negative just because we had the courage to get on a plane is a completely ignorant comparison to make, and absolutely talking down previous lives.
        
        tpup1 on 12/11/2019 - 16:34
        
        @crentist:
        
        "What do you mean - people don't come from countries in a lesser position than Australia? Of course they do. Why would you come to Australia if not for a better life?"
        
        That's clearly different to what I quoted when I said I never claimed that.
        
        If you make a negative comparison, that is completely baseless and generalised across migrants as a whole, then yea it is absolutely talking down their previous life.
        
        The comparison is not to their previous life. Besides, if something is better than another thing that doesn't mean the other thing is bad.
        
        Have you never heard of people moving to another country for fun?
        
        Of course, I have actually lived in Japan too.
        
        Most of the situations you're referring to are temporary residents. Plus, I never said/assumed there was anything negative about their previous lives - moving to a country in a better position doesn't necessarily mean that
        
        crentist on 12/11/2019 - 21:41
        
        @tpup1:
        
        That's clearly different to what I quoted when I said I never claimed that.
        
        "people (~~don't~~) come from countries in a lesser position than Australia(?)"
        "it's silly to think residents come from countries that aren't in a lesser position than Australia"
        "Most of them absolutely do come from countries in a lesser position than Australia"
        "I said lesser position, not lesser country…"
        "the example you gave of someone moving from Britain for the weather, that is literally an example of a lesser position"
        
        Really not that different, but okay what exactly do you mean by "people from countries in a lesser position". You've repeated this many times, seems to be the linchpin of whatever your point was. You're asserting that you're talking about the position of something, but then denying that this position could be interpreted as broadly referring to the of the countries of people, or the circumstances of those people. It seems like you are resting on some highly particular razors edge of a definition here, because you have only denied multiple interpretations (from me and Songsong) without further explanation.
        
        I may have completely misunderstood you, but there is also nothing to indicate what else you are trying to say,that you even know, or that it would even make sense, because you have not attempted to make yourself understood beyond literally repeating your own words. Maybe you're content to be silently smug about the secret meaning behind what you think you are saying, and I expect you'll decline to attempt to yet again.
        eg Even when you say "The comparison is not to their previous life" you aren't actually saying what you think you are comparing, just what you aren't. Cross that off the list I guess?
        
        Except the problem with all this is that the comparison with "people from countries in a lesser position" wasn't yours in the first place. It came from the person you responded to (Songsong), who was criticising racist behaviour based on assumptions drawn from some biased comparison.
        
        Their response to you makes it clear that they were talking about biased comparison of countries. That's the intended meaning of the phrase you've been repeating this whole time. Which is why they thought you were saying "that Australia is a better country than the countries of every immigrant within Australia", because you were literally repeating their own words back at them.
        
        So as I said much earlier, you misinterpreted the person you replied to. And then expected others to blindly guess where your misinterpretation has ended up, with no indication of how far wide or exactingly precise the limits of your literacy may have taken you.
        Hope it was a fun ride though.
        
        tpup1 on 12/11/2019 - 22:33
        
        @crentist:
        
        eg Even when you say "The comparison is not to their previous life" you aren't actually saying what you think you are comparing, just what you aren't.
        
        I wasn't trying to say what I'm comparing, it couldn't be more self evident. I'm just pointing out that your explanation of what I'm saying is total bs
        
        Try google: better - more desirable; position - situation.
        
        i.e. the situation of the country is more desirable. Notice that's not the same as saying the country itself is better, nor the individual circumstances of someone in the country are better - as you've painfully claimed a thousand times.
        
        So as I said much earlier, you misinterpreted the person you replied to.
        
        I didn't misinterpret anything. That guy changed his words cause he's just as desperate as you to misguidedly call out 'racism'.
        
        crentist on 12/11/2019 - 22:55
        
        @tpup1:
        
        I wasn't trying to say what I'm comparing
        
        Haha you did it again
        
        I didn't misinterpret anything. That guy changed his words cause he's just as desperate as you to misguidedly call out 'racism'.
        
        I wasn't trying to call out racism at any point. I assumed you were trying to say something else and wanted to know what it was.
        
        But uh, this makes me realise where the miscommunication came from I guess. You really were just trying to defend compliance with racism this whole time.
        oops
        
        tpup1 on 12/11/2019 - 23:33
        
        @crentist:
        
        I wasn't trying to call out racism at any point
        
        "Because why should something as trivial as a preference for good weather open up someone who has the capability to make such a big move, for such a trivial reason, to any level of racism?"
        
        you're a straight up liar. i'll leave it there - this is plainly hopeless
        
        crentist on 13/11/2019 - 03:48
        
        @tpup1: Yea that's not calling out racism. Racism was already well established as the topic of conversation.
        I was querying your contribution to the established topic. But this post right here shows that you still don't seem to understand what you said, or that you were even replying to anyone at all.
        
        I'm not a liar, and I've clearly explained myself, and what I think you might be trying to say in the hopes that you might correct me, which you declined to do. Because I've been trying to have an honest discussion, and you've evidently been trying to avoid explaining yourself.
        
        Probably because you're a straight up illiterate, with no clear meaning across any of your posts, and no ability to explain your unformed thoughts beyond rote repetition of a phrase you never understood and claiming that it's obvious.
        And now playing victim and lying about what the other guy was saying because it's easier to have a cry and make up new nonsense about others than try to explain your own nonsense.
        
        tpup1 on 13/11/2019 - 08:12
        
        @crentist:
        
        Racism was already well established as the topic of conversation.
        
        No shit… That's still calling out racism.
        
        you've evidently been trying to avoid explaining yourself.
        
        I have explained myself a thousand times, then every time you come back with the same, painfully wrong explanation. Then when I explain why it's wrong, you pull out the same petty insults and blatantly lie, instead of ever admitting anything
        
        crentist on 13/11/2019 - 13:22
        
        @tpup1: Still not calling out racism by querying your reasoning behind migrant assessment. What some other person who is racist might do with that reasoning is a separate matter.
        
        Saying what something is not, is not an explanation of what it is. Repeating a borrowed phrase and saying you don’t mean the same as the person you borrowed it from, doesn’t actually say what you mean. Just that you are happy to redefine clear and obvious statements to mean whatever you want, just for yourself, and that your words can’t be trusted to mean what context, grammar, and a dictionary would suggest
- 87percent on 07/11/2019 - 07:43
  
  +1
  
  What nationality are you?
  - whooah1979 on 07/11/2019 - 08:42
    
    Australian.
- Serapis on 07/11/2019 - 14:46
  
  Straight up NO, maybe to your bogan mates but this kind of behaviour isn't acceptable at all. It shouldn't be seen as any norm, nobody should have to "live with it and suck it up".
  - [Deactivated] on 07/11/2019 - 14:57
    
    +4
    
    Is it acceptable for New Zealanders to make fun of Australians? I think Flight of the Conchords' racism episode is hilarious and to be encouraged.
    
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i3HokGUffcU
    - ozhunter on 07/11/2019 - 15:18
      
      +3
      
      Lol, that was great.
MagicMushroom on 06/11/2019 - 19:34

+13

Why should we care?
- jaimex2 on 08/11/2019 - 12:50
  
  +3
  
  I certainly dont. Just ordered some more.
Digitalco on 06/11/2019 - 19:41

+10

not funny at all so dumb
qwerty on 06/11/2019 - 19:43

+4

You have the video on the girlfreinds account so its most likely her but

"A man can also be faintly heard making similar comments."\
"A male voice, presumably belonging to Giles, can also be heard repeating Stott’s last words"

So is it the CEO or is this fake news
- brendanm on 06/11/2019 - 20:28
  
  +4
  
  Please don't suggest that this very serious issue of suggesting that Asian tourists love to take photos may actually not even be related to the person named. They are obviously mildly related to someone who said something on a vapid social media account somewhere, and should be strung up.
[Deactivated] on 06/11/2019 - 19:44

+7

Not as harsh as Meng Fei laying into Shanghainese.
- brendanm on 06/11/2019 - 20:29
  
  +1
  
  I love grandpa meng
  - [Deactivated] on 08/11/2019 - 12:14
    
    +2
    
    I love him too :), but if you are Chinese and speak Shanghainese but not Mandarin also, the condemnation is swift and savage. :p He will also lampoon accents as a national treasure. As for If you are the one, I think there is at least one blushworthy racist moment every episode. Anecdotally less than half of contestants will date a foreigner. Some will say they won't date someone if their eyes look Korean. The judgement of Chinese skin colour is overwhelming, too. I enjoy the show but do wonder sometimes how they show all parts of IYATO/FCWR on SBS given that channel virtue signals quite a lot at other times.
    - Bunnyburger on 08/11/2019 - 23:48
      
      I didn't know China had interstate strife apart from the Xinjiang stuff. Interesting
p1 ama on 06/11/2019 - 19:44

+40

I think this entire saga is silly. I think the entire idea of trying to doxx people and fire people because of silly things that they've said on social media (usually as a joke) is completely insane. The point of stereotypes and jokes is that they're meant to be funny, and sometimes funny things are controversial. It's not like people making fun of other people's accents is something new. It's not something that's particularly offensive either. And this is coming from someone who is politically left leaning and in favour of actual reform to try and narrow the gap for immigrants and minorities.

Sound contradictory? Let me explain. There's a huge difference between making a joke with your mates and actually having views that are problematic. What I care about is not what jokes they make about Asian people taking pictures, but how they actually treat Asian people. Is this CEO less likely to promote someone because they're of Asian background? Isn't that the question that we should all care about?

The reason why I think this new PC-outrage culture is extremely worrying is because it distracts from the real issues. Instead of focusing on the real discrimination - the kind which ruins people's lives, causes many minority groups to live in near poverty. Society has gotten to a place where you can say horrible things, but as long as you say them nicely and in proper language and a buttoned up shirt, nobody bats an eyelid. The moment you throw some swear words in and a mocking tone and everybody's head explodes. They're not saying that Asian people are dumb, or incompetent, or are second class citizens.

You can be a politician and say that there's "gang violence" on the streets of Melbourne, that "Sundanese people don't assimilate" and literally nobody f*ing cares. That's the real racism we should be combating. Instead of going after these jokes, spend your time hunting down the real problem.

Just as an example, we used to work with a Chinese guy who was horrendously cheap (even cheaper than most of us here). We mocked him mercilessly for the "cheap Chinese guy" stereotype. It was all in good fun. I mocked him just as much as everyone else, but never any discrimination. He was the brightest on our team and I never had a single bad thing to say about him. When he was up for promotion, I went and spoke with our manager to do what I could for this guy and vouch for what an asset he was. What's worse? Us having some fun with our mate, or the people who secretly act like they're a part of high society yet will never write a single recommendation for an Asian to get promoted? You tell me.
- dlakers3peat on 07/11/2019 - 13:59
  
  +2
  
  You can thank the left wing nut jobs for that.
  - FlatulentFrank on 08/11/2019 - 12:03
    
    +1
    
    Maybe it's just nut jobs in general regardless of political opinions - there are nuffies on both sides that contribute to the issues we face.
    
    so sick of this left and right bs nonsense
- Serapis on 07/11/2019 - 15:01
  
  +7
  
  Sorry but I disagree ESPECIALLY if you are running a company - if you're in any position where your public image matters, you should refrain from idiotic behaviour that reflects badly on the company or turn your privacy setting way up.
  
  When you're running a medium / large company and you do crap like this, you will hurt your workforce. You make take a PR / financial hit but the people who work for you may get pay cuts, reduced hours or worse, lose their jobs. It's inconsiderate on a whole different level vs some labourers talking crap inside the warehouse.
  
  With your example, have you ever asked the guy whether he was okay with this? You may think it's good fun when he's not responding but he might not be okay with it.
- Mysterious on 07/11/2019 - 17:24
  
  +7
  
  You are justifying racism.
  
  Mocking someones voice or accent IS racism.
  
  If statistics show that a good portion of Sudanese people are committing crimes in Australia, isn't that proof that they don't assimilate? A politician isn't selecting a race out of a hat with 100+ nationalities and saying Nepalese people are the most dangerous group in Australia. There's a common theme there.
  
  Your attempt at justifying racism in your example doesn't cut it. It seems like your workmate was fine with it and it was attached to some stereotype. If he had a massive accent and couldn't pronounce words well and you started mocking him, I'm sure he probably wouldn't like that. Assuming you're an adult, you should probably know by now that Asian people don't like having their voices and accents mocked. It's not about being a "snowflake" or "soft", it's about having respect for other people and not taking enjoyment out of mocking/belittling them.
  
  Also.. who wants to be friends with adults who belittle and mock Asians in voices like that? It's really not funny..
  - p1 ama on 07/11/2019 - 21:19
    
    +2
    
    Your attempt at justifying racism in your example doesn't cut it. It seems like your workmate was fine with it and it was attached to some stereotype. If he had a massive accent and couldn't pronounce words well and you started mocking him, I'm sure he probably wouldn't like that. Assuming you're an adult, you should probably know by now that Asian people don't like having their voices and accents mocked. It's not about being a "snowflake" or "soft", it's about having respect for other people and not taking enjoyment out of mocking/belittling them.
    
    Just because you don't like something doesn't necessarily make it racist. That's the point that I'm trying to get across and most people (who have actually never been the target of racism) do not get.
    
    Believe me, I know what racism is, I also know what a joke is. I'm an Asian guy whose family came to Australia because our country was invaded. People of my nationality could no longer hold positions in the government, were discriminated against when it came to university and school selection and were always less favoured in the workplace. When this sort of thing happens to you and people around you, it gives you perspective on what matters. I grew up in the outer suburbs of Melbourne when there were pretty few Asian people - I got my own fair share of mockery.
    
    I was the "ching chong" of my class, associated with every stereotype of Asian people, but I came to realise that the kids who did this did not do it out of malice or any intent to discriminate against me, but they were just having fun and making fun of someone who was different. Most of the kids I went to school with didn't have a bad bone in their body and I've seen many of them grow up and not be racists in any way. Some never learned and are just as ignorant, but again, I don't think it is malicious.
    
    The problem is that most people who "call out" racism have never experienced racism. To be fair, most of them have lived very privileged and sheltered lives. It's funny when middle to upper class white folk are more outraged over someone mocking some Asians than Asian people are.
    
    If statistics show that a good portion of Sudanese people are committing crimes in Australia, isn't that proof that they don't assimilate?
    
    If you think mocking someone's accent is worse than someone with a national profile saying that Sudanese people don't assimilate because there are a number of Sudanese people who commit crimes, then I don't think your opinion is valid. Would you rather someone mock your accent, or be a Sundanese arrested for no reason as you're walking home with some mates because the cops think you're about to commit some crime.
    - Mysterious on 08/11/2019 - 13:25
      
      +1
      
      Just because you don't like something doesn't necessarily make it racist. That's the point that I'm trying to get across and most people (who have actually never been the target of racism) do not get.
      
      But just because you don't mind it, that's not to say that many other Asian people wouldn't find it offensive. I think what people don't understand is that just because they don't mind mockery and belittling behaviour, that it automatically detracts from the fact that what happened was actually racist and other people were offended. I'm glad that they took no offence, but they should understand other people find it offensive.
      
      This is a bit off-topic, but I could walk up to someone highly successful and thick-skinned e.g a top level MMA or WWE performer outside of their job and call them a useless (profanity) to their face and they may not take much offence to it, where as if I said it to a stranger on the street they may feel a bit insecure about what I just said.
      
      I was the "ching chong" of my class, associated with every stereotype of Asian people, but I came to realise that the kids who did this did not do it out of malice or any intent to discriminate against me, but they were just having fun and making fun of someone who was different. Most of the kids I went to school with didn't have a bad bone in their body and I've seen many of them grow up and not be racists in any way. Some never learned and are just as ignorant, but again, I don't think it is malicious.
      
      Again, it's belittling language. I guess we can judge the situation differently because it involves children who don't really know better, but if you're an adult calling people "ching chong" then you're probably a (profanity), excuse my language. Seriously who enjoys mocking Asian people as an adult..? Why waste your time belittling people? Take enjoyment in the fact that the people in your surrounding environment are having fun instead of mocking and belittling them.
      
      If you think mocking someone's accent is worse than someone with a national profile saying that Sudanese people don't assimilate because there are a number of Sudanese people who commit crimes, then I don't think your opinion is valid. Would you rather someone mock your accent, or be a Sundanese arrested for no reason as you're walking home with some mates because the cops think you're about to commit some crime.
      
      If the statistics are there to back up the politician's claim that a certain race is responsible for majority of the gang violence in this country, and said with the intention to provide a resolution to the problem, then how is that racist? If it was said in order create divide, and create an angst towards a certain group that could result in backlash, instead of solving the problem, then yeah you could debate it as racist and I'd be pretty pissed off too. I think we need to be truthful and ask ourselves is there a problem with assimilation in this country? That's not to say that a certain race should be excluded, but however maybe find ways to resolve the assimilation problems and to that I don't know the answer, that's a politicians job. Also I wonder if you'd be as outraged if they said Italians were responsible for majority of the crime.
    - Serapis on 08/11/2019 - 20:38
      
      +3
      
      I'm also Asian and fully disagree with this:
      
      I was the "ching chong" of my class, associated with every stereotype of Asian people, but I came to realise that the kids who did this did not do it out of malice or any intent to discriminate against me, but they were just having fun and making fun of someone who was different. Most of the kids I went to school with didn't have a bad bone in their body and I've seen many of them grow up and not be racists in any way. Some never learned and are just as ignorant, but again, I don't think it is malicious.
      
      Even when it's not malicious, i still found it highly offensive (had similar treatment in high school from some more backward thinking misfits). Just because you are okay with it, dosen't make it acceptable since some people like me are definitely not cool with this sort of behavior.
      - p1 ama on 09/11/2019 - 00:33
        
        +1
        
        @Serapis:
        
        Even when it's not malicious, i still found it highly offensive (had similar treatment in high school from some more backward thinking misfits). Just because you are okay with it, dosen't make it acceptable since some people like me are definitely not cool with this sort of behavior.
        
        My view is that the intent matters. Your point doesn't detract from my overarching point though, which is that this sort of behaviour is not racism, but rather, it's just bullying. You can be picked on for being Asian, for being fat, being tall, being dumb, wearing glasses, whatever the case is. You may be offended at any number of those things.
        
        [Deactivated] on 09/11/2019 - 20:40
        
        -1
        
        @p1 ama: It's actually textbook casual racism.
        
        https://www.humanrights.gov.au/about/news/what-casual-racism
        
        "Most of us have seen or heard it before: the off-hand remark or throw-away line that relies on negative stereotypes or prejudice to say something about a person’s race or ethnicity.
        
        “It’s not necessarily a deliberate act of discrimination, and casual racism often isn’t meant to cause offence or harm. But it still has an impact,” says Race Discrimination Commissioner Tim Soutphommasane.
        
        “One of the obstacles to having an open conversation about race is the tendency to downplay things as ‘not really racist’.
        
        “But the fact is you don’t need to subscribe to doctrines of racial superiority or incite racial violence to say or do something with racist implications. That’s because racism is as much about impact as it is about intention,” Dr Soutphommasane says."
    - Rosicius on 13/11/2019 - 11:15
      
      I'm asian and have experienced racism. IMO it doesn't diminish the brevity of what has happened with youfoodz. Would I prefer it if my children didn't get racially discriminated in the work place? Yes Would I also prefer it if my children didn't get called 'ching chong' 'gook' or 'she shing' or singled out because they watched a youtube video about origami? Also very much yes
      - [Deactivated] on 13/11/2019 - 12:37
        
        @Rosicius: Brevity or gravity?
    - sinewaves7 on 17/01/2020 - 12:32
      
      "I don't care about this particular thing and so nobody else should either. Stupid left wing nut jobs"
      
      Lol righto
- [Deactivated] on 07/11/2019 - 18:15
  
  +4
  
  Do you think the girl in that video was friends with the people she's mocking? This wasn't a joke between friends, this was a racially motivated piece of mockery by a cashed up bogan. If you didn't watch that and see at least a little bit of maliciousness then I'm not sure what to say.
  
  Is this CEO less likely to promote someone because they're of Asian background? Isn't that the question that we should all care about?
  
  Making racist jokes kinda suggests that he wouldn't. That's the point. That's why people are outraged. Nobody gives a (profanity) about some nobody called kev being a (profanity) in his backyard, but a guy with power being caught on camera being racist has far more implications on how this affects the running of his company.
  
  Just as an example, we used to work with a Chinese guy who was horrendously cheap (even cheaper than most of us here). We mocked him mercilessly for the "cheap Chinese guy" stereotype. It was all in good fun. I mocked him just as much as everyone else, but never any discrimination. He was the brightest on our team and I never had a single bad thing to say about him. When he was up for promotion, I went and spoke with our manager to do what I could for this guy and vouch for what an asset he was. What's worse? Us having some fun with our mate, or the people who secretly act like they're a part of high society yet will never write a single recommendation for an Asian to get promoted? You tell me.
  
  I'm glad that you were allowed to have fun with a mate. Nobody is saying that's wrong. We should all be able to take the piss out of our mates, that's not a problem. The question is, do you think the targets of ridicule in the video were her mates? I don't think so.
  
  I can call my mate a nasty-arse (profanity), but if i called some random person that, it wouldn't be a considered a fun joke, it'd be considered the preamble to a fight.
- Hamlet on 09/11/2019 - 14:11
  
  +1
  
  While I concur that the PC-sensitive culture is increasingly distracting us from real issues, I have to point out that your banter with your Chinese co-worker is not a parallel example to the YouFoodz CEO video. Your mocking of your co-worker is something that he is aware of and of which he, I hope, approves and revels in (if he doesn't, it can be labelled as bullying). Furthermore, you guys are presumably friends, or at the very least, acquaintances and he knows that you don't necessarily have the wrong intentions/prejudices despite your comments about him.
  
  That's not the same with the people in the video, of whom might actually be quite offended with the mocking comments. If I place myself as an Asian person in that video, I believe I would be pretty offended if I knew a stranger I didn't know took a video of me, my actions, and mocked them with his narrow-minded comments.
- Rosicius on 13/11/2019 - 11:11
  
  +1
  
  This whole tirade at attempting to justify and normalise racism is ridiculous. This youfoodz incidence was an unprovoked and overtly malicious attempt at mocking other individuals that was wholly derived from racist values. The fact that it was done in the background of an asian setting makes it worse. Almost all the examples you suggested are invalid.
whooah1979 on 06/11/2019 - 20:24

+21

Never mind.

Snowflakes.
- brendanm on 06/11/2019 - 20:30
  
  +13
  
  But someone possibly said something that I don't like on social media and I am incredibly upset about it!
  - whooah1979 on 06/11/2019 - 20:39
    
    +7
    
    Option 1 press the power button.
    Option 2 a spoon of cement.
    - brendanm on 06/11/2019 - 20:41
      
      +6
      
      But they were mean! Why is life so unfair
      - [Deactivated] on 07/11/2019 - 18:17
        
        @brendanm: Good ol' fashion white people claiming racism isn't an issue worth getting worried about.
        
        This little back and forth here reads like two rich people going 'oh, you can't afford rent this week, suck it up princess hahaha. What a bunch of lazy snowflakes. option 1: get a better job. option 2: work harder amirite? lol, poor people'.
- Jugganautx on 07/11/2019 - 13:20
  
  +1
  
  Better go get the tissues from the glove box
ode1online on 06/11/2019 - 21:05

its very disappointing, I am a fan of the foods.
- SolidworksError on 07/11/2019 - 13:32
  
  +6
  
  the food is garbage
  - Serapis on 07/11/2019 - 15:02
    
    +4
    
    lol should've known better than to buy anything from a company that has a name ending with the letter "z"
Cave Fire on 06/11/2019 - 21:07

-2

Yeah they are just being immature/rude but not necessarily racist imo. plus is she actually speaking chinese…?
- rambao9 on 06/11/2019 - 21:32
  
  +9
  
  This is definitely racism… lol
  
  But all in all, this is quite sad. Funny how their stupidity can get to a point to post this on social media.
  
  Think she's trying to speak japanese 'shashin' for photo.
  
  But getting it wrong with Xu-Xin the Table tennis player.
  - p1 ama on 07/11/2019 - 01:06
    
    +5
    
    This is definitely racism… lol
    
    So who is actually being discriminated against and in what way?
    
    For the record, I'm Asian - I don't feel offended in the slightest. You're offended because she used rude words, not because she's actually done anything wrong to Asians. I've seen Asian people discriminated against in much more meaningful ways - heard someone at a company I used to work at say "I really just can't stand these Indians, they're always late, incompetent and untrustworthy". Guess which race of people always got a piss poor peer review under that manager. Bingo!
    
    What annoys me is that there's no outrage over that because the guy's wearing a suit and tie, speaks in a "respectable" way and doesn't use foul language. So he can go out there and discriminate against Indian people in whatever way he wants. Again, don't conflate the meaningless foul words here with the real discrimination that some people face on a daily basis.
    - Autonomic on 07/11/2019 - 12:44
      
      +6
      
      It's racist because you're making fun of them for being Asian. It's stupid to say "I've seen worse with nothing done about it, therefore no one should care about this". Did you speak out against your manager? Why not? Did he say that publicly on social media? Do you honestly think if he did, that it wouldn't lead to him being fired?
      - p1 ama on 07/11/2019 - 14:57
        
        +1
        
        @Autonomic: I did speak out about it, I even left the company (in part because of this whole ordeal). No, he didn't get fired, since he was a high level manager who speaks well, dresses well and looks amicable, the response I got was "it must have been a misunderstanding". I'm sure if he went out there and said "damn Indian c'nts and f'ckers, he would have been fired for sure".
        
        You can make fun of people for any number of different reasons. It doesn't mean that there is discrimination. Tell me how have they been harmed by this bimbo. Did she hit them? Did she make them lose their job? Throw them in jail? Stole from them? Denied them basic human rights? Paid them less than a white person?
        
        If what she's done is discriminatory, tell me who exactly is worse off because of her actions? If you can't do that, then what she's done is harmless and not worth thinking about.
        
        [Deactivated] on 07/11/2019 - 18:22
        
        -3
        
        @p1 ama:
        
        Tell me how have they been harmed by this bimbo. Did she hit them? Did she make them lose their job? Throw them in jail? Stole from them? Denied them basic human rights? Paid them less than a white person?
        
        So if I go out and say 'white power! all those non-whites are (profanity) lol' It's ok, I'm not actually hurting anyone, right? Nobody was physically harmed by my racist words, so you can't say i did anything wrong, right?
        
        This is what's called "a very dumb argument."
        
        No-one thinks we should ban what she said, but I can sure as hell judge her for it and consequently not give any money to her husband's company.

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