This wireless mouse with USB-C recharging is one of the better reviewed options out there for folks with ergonomic issues or carpal tunnel.
This price is better than MSY's recent $109 sale and the $169RRP. Officeworks price matched to $93.10 this morning.
Yeah im a little annoyed, bought it for $120 2 weeks ago. fml
It went out of stock at MSY & I bought from eBay at that price.
yeah i got mine in the computer alliance sale
And I felt good about finding it for $150 at JB earlier in the year. Current price at JB is $169 at least. This is an awesome mouse, and an awesome deal. Definitely recommend it.
Takes a few weeks to get used to it but I can't go back to a regular mouse now. I use mine ~8 hours a day, 5-7 days a week for work. Only had to charge it like 3 times since getting it earlier this year (before June I think? idk).
Good for gaming?
No
2 programmable buttons (via the Logitech Options desktop app) and a button dedicated to DPI/speed switching. Not a hardcore gamer myself but those things are usually factors, right?
The wireless receiver doesn't slot into the mouse so if you travel a lot, you have to find a way to carry the receiver around with you. Mine stays permanently plugged in to my laptop.
Hope that helps!
Can connect by cable or bluetooth though so the receiver isn't necessary
I have an evoluent and I find it's inaccurate due to the way you hold it.
Totally great for office tasks though.
After using my evoluent mouse, I actually got different but still lot of wrist pain.
Instead of moving the whole arm, you often end up moving only your hand and then it defeats the purpose of the vertical mouse to help with wrist pain.
Also given that the mouse is more annoying to use (moving and clicking are not as easy) I would stir away from it.
I would prefer the mx master 3 compare to this one but HN doesn't seem to discount the other logitech mouse
@ValouSydney: Not quite. The point of it is that your two bones in your arm aren't in a twisted position. It probably helps stop pinching the nerve that causes carpal tunnel. I'm no doctor though.
I get what you're saying that there is a tendency to move the hand. Certainly you could have a different issue with your wrist (ie: different issue to carpal tunnel) if you never move your arm.
However, that may be your personal problem as I move my arm for big movements. Having a long sleeve shirt (which I do at work) helps massively as it helps your arm to slide over the desk. Sometimes I find myself putting my arm weight on the bottom/edge of my wrist (I don't know how to describe it) to reduce friction - this is not good and I notice if I've done it for too long.
I've tried 3 different ones and the evoluent was the best so far. Have you tried the Logitech MX Vertical Advanced Ergonomic Mouse?
@justtoreply: I haven't tried but wasn't very happy with the Evoluent so i don't want any vertical mouse anymore. Yes it fixed my carpal tunnel pain but I had other pain that I didn't have before.
@ValouSydney: Fair enough.
Assuming your issue is from wrist flexing, one trick I tried to encourage me to move my whole arm was putting a big rectangular sticky note upside down on the mouse to reduce friction. Because it's your skin grabbing the desk that's the problem. Worked kinda well, flimsy though. But I don't find I need to do it anymore.
@ValouSydney: I'm not a Dr either but i snapped my hand off my arm.
your wrist is AT REST when it is in this upright position. When your wrist is flat, it is in stress. It doesn't matter that you move it. It is simply better for it.
I have one at work and i agree it's much harder to use, but my wrist doesn't start aching like it did before.
@ValouSydney: I found the same thing with a virtical mouse, and the kneeling chairs, etc. Different pain.
I think the trick is to just use these things for like 2 x 30 minute sessions per day.
7 hours using a traditional setup, broken up into 3 batches is probably better than 8 hours without changing it up.
Better get the Corsair Harpoon RGB Wireless mouse (or logitech's newest one)
there are better mouses just for gaming, this is for ergonomics… best for business use… you could use it for long gaming sessions i guess.
I haven't checked the sensor in it, but it wouldn't be a large reason it's not great for gaming. With regular mouses, when you click it applies pressure downwards, not usually moving the mouse much. With more vertically positioned mouses, you presses will apply pressure sideways, usually moving the mouse a tiny bit (or at least forcing your hand to compensate). For office/non mouse-mechanically accurate work its fine, but for gaming it'll probably cause issues.
I use a (different) vertical mouse at work, and while I'm still quite accurate with it, I'm definitely still better with a regular shaped mouse.
How does this compare to the Logitech MX Ergo, in terms of using day-to-day in the office?
They're two completely different options, really…so which you prefer will be a personal preference.
I haven't used either (I have the M570, older version of the Ergo, and a cheap crappy vertical mouse), but I'd say that trackball was more comfortable for me but I found my lack of precision with it to be frustrating. Vertical mouse was just like a regular mouse with precision, but the grip just feels weird to me.
I'm sure I would get used to either one if I gave them more time, but I much prefer using my MX Master! :P
If I was to try it again, I would probably grab one of these. Vertical mouse is more similar to a regular mouse, so probably easier to get used to!
I’m contemplating getting these as the ergo has given me some pain on my thumb joint, so I’m hoping I can alternate between the two and reduce and repetitive strain
Yep, I found alternating (between whatever) to be easily the most impactful change! I would highly recommend getting this, and giving it a try! :)
Just changing permanently to a different style of device just relocates the repetitive strain to another part of your body. But constantly switching between different devices means you're changing grip and exercising different muscles, etc.
If you can get used to alternating between devices, then that's the way to go I reckon! (I couldn't get used to it though, because I kept missing the extra buttons from my MX Master on my crappier trackball/vertical!) :)
The MX Ergo is heavier and more premium feeling, but this has a better scroll wheel. If you like the precision of a thumbwheel this will feel less precise, but if you prefer conventional mice I'd go with the vertical.
I use a trackball by preference, but got this as something to switch between to minimise thumb strain.
I switched to using the Vertical at work after getting it for 109 from MSY. I'm now contemplating getting one for my home computer as it's great.
Price beat at OfficeWorks brings it to $93.10 :)
Bought it last time from Oworks, price matched. No regrets, great mouse with no more wrist strain
If you're on the fence, monitor the price on camel camel camel and you might be able to pick it up for under $50.
Crap this is cheap, and I got it on sale earlier in the year for $130
Thanks, picked one up. My cheap vertical mouse from ebay is starting to act up.
There was 1 more at Melbourne CBD Exhibition street. None at QV.
Tried this for a bit and I found it to be rather uncomfortableness my opinion, as all the pressure lies directly on the wrist bone as opposed to the muscles.
I found it better to have the wrist sitting at a 45 degree angle, which is slightly unnatural, but at least there’s no pressure there and it’s still better than holding a cheap mouse horizontally.
mx ergo … closer to 45deg
Great mouse, the wheel however is quite basic comparing to Master MX series especially MX 3.
no momentum scroll i heard
If only it had the same button configuration options as the MX Master.
I'm too dependant on those features to buy this.
Can you elaborate? In my experience the wheel is the only disappointing moment.
The MX Master has the thumb button that you press down, the thumb scroll wheel, thumb back and forth button.
It also has a middle button on the top of the mouse (in addition to the scroll click).
Basically it has more buttons than this one.
Plus the top scroller has the momentum feature which this doesn't.
@yama131: Thanks for your reply. I totally forgot about thumb button - couldn't used to it after many years of having MX 1.
I'd not count middle button as a button as it simply switches the mode of wheel and frankly I've only used it a few times.
What I really like about Vertical MX is that it has extra button on top that lets switching between two modes of sensitivity and also adjust these modes as well which is handy.
I'd not count middle button as a button as it simply switches the mode of wheel and frankly I've only used it a few times.
It can be programmed to anything though. Mine is programmed to middle click, for when I want to open a whole bunch of links.
@alenpln: Not sure what you mean by "not counting the middle button".
You can definitely program this (and any other button) to do what you want using the logitec app.
I have my button set up to close browser tabs by putting in CMD + W via the keyboard shortcuts.
I've had recurring tennis elbow in both arms on and off for years now, I just asked work to purchase an ergonomic keyboard for me made by Microsoft… but I may pick this up for home use.
Yeah, just like all that hype about access ramps…you guys make it sound like walking up steps is running a marathon! I'm using my legs and they serve me just fine!
cool bro
I got this on a Price Beat for $89.30 at Officeworks on Black Friday (but i didn't know if this was a good deal or not), Gerry and friends had this for $94 as part of their Black Friday/Cyber Monday deal - offer expired 3rd December.
That's probably the historical low price - you should have posted the deal!
you sure it's not the MX Ergo with trackball ?
Highly recommend a vertical mouse to anyone that uses a mouse for long hours. RSI is no joke and can be very painful. A few years ago I had it so bad that I could barely open a door or hold a mug of coffee. It's better now but whenever I use a normal mouse for a long time I can feel some discomfort.
I have serious carpal tunnel, and found two things work better than a vertical mouse:
- Using a trackball. The Kensington Slimblade is the best one I found.
- Using a mouse/trackball with your non-dominant hand. This is seriously the best option if you have carpal tunnel in your dominant wrist.
I now use a trackball with my left hand, just to be safe.
hm ordered for pick up when it said in stock but now it's been backordered.
I am also a fan of this mouse, made an incredible difference to my tennis elbow caused by regular mouse use.
Mouse elbow symptoms I mean, I don't play tennis.
Just got this at OW price beat at $93.10
On a normal mouse you use a combination of moving your whole hand (large movements) and then moving the mouse within your grasp with your fingers (fine movements). Don't you lose the ability to perform the fine movements with a mouse like this?
You can still do micro-adjustments (dunno if that's what it's called, but I'll run with it) - your hand is just at a different angle.
So yeah, it doesn't feel quite as natural, and you don't have as much range of movement (you'll feel it more in the lower part of your hand below the pinky and ring finger). But it's still possible.
You park your arm then use your fingers quite easily. It's not as perfectly accurate, but unless gaming, you won't notice.
For gaming, just own a second mouse.
Don't use a regular mouse for general desktop stuff if you do a lot of it. Seriously.
I've been using a 'regular' mouse for 8 hours a day, every day, for 20 years now - no problems.
I currently use an MX Master at work and home.
Ok so you don't want one. That's cool.
20 yrs at 8 hours a day…you do know carpal tunnel takes at least that long to start to show, right? IIRC. You're not out of the woods yet.
I like the aesthetic and that I can emulate what I'm doing with the opposite hand.
Thanks OP! Got Officeworks to pricematch (/beat by 5%) over the phone! (First time doing this over the phone).
They also do free delivery and told me I can expect to recieve it tomrorow! :D
haha classic!
The button on top looks highly unergonomic. C'mon Logitech, FFS.
How's DELUX Vertical Mouse (Wireless) in comparison to this?
It's cheaper and has USB C charging. But is it effective ?
Hi - I have the same Delux vertical mouse that you linked (mine is in white). I bought it as a "proof of concept". I don't have RSI or carpal tunnel syndrome, but prefer a more naturally oriented hand positioning. For me, this mouse works. It's more bulky compared to a regular mouse, but if the sensitivity is set higher, u dont have to move it much. It has bluetooth or USB dongle connectivity. Also has RGB lights. I bought it when it was much cheaper. For me the vertical mouse concept works - I like it so much I bought a gaming vertical mouse for games.
I have not used the Logitech so can't compare.
Thanks Dr Acula. I ordered Delux vertical mouse and it works like a charm.
Got one from the last MSY deal. Scroll wheel not as good as the MX Master, but that's not why you're getting this one. It's all about the ergonomics. And if you suffer from hand or shoulder pain using a mouse, this one is your friend.
have too many mice from these deals.
i heard optical tracking was meant to be better? anybody know the polling rate on this?
My desktop cost me AU$100,do I need to spend $98 on a mouse?
yes, you do. if you don't, fomo will kill you
Thanks for the deal! Just went to JB HIFI and did the price match!
They've also got the MX ergo for $128 @ HN currently (https://www.harveynorman.com.au/logitech-mx-ergo-wireless-tr…), $1 less than office works.. Could price match for 5% off that I guess lol
i remember seeing $98 last weekend
Don't believe the marketing around these. Unless you want to be seen as a tosser stick to a normal mouse like the anywhere 2s or master.
Carpal tunnel or other wrist problems are caused by not taking breaks and doing enough wrist movement. If you're lazy then you have yourself to blame - don't blame the tools. Everything in moderation
I've been gaming and working with a regular mouse for over over 25 years and have no problem
Carpal tunnel or other wrist problems are caused by not taking breaks and doing enough wrist movement.
I fractured my wrist a few years back.*
Does this put me in your 'lazy' category?
*(full disclosure: was a sports injury, so nothing that would put me into your 'tosser' category either 8≠≠)
Right… You sound like the expert. Anything else you've done for 25 years that you can provide some life opinions on?
My arms feels better using one. Doesn't get sore. That's enough for me.
But my apologies, your deeply scientific study with a population of 1 must be correct.
Had the Evoluent which lasted nearly 2 years, I did feel better on the wrist than using normal mouse.
Then bought Acker (~$33 at Amazon) which lasted over a year. It was ok but smaller.
Then bought the Mantistek (also small) from Shopping Square (~$25), dead on arrival, store made it too much effort to return so I could not bother waste my time for that amount.
Now got the Logitech MX Vertical, it feels as good as the Evoluent, good size and of course feel better than the other cheaper smaller vertical mice.
Long time lurker here. For those new to vertical mouse and wondering if should be spending approx $100 for the mouse, Amazon has plenty of cheaper options (search "Vertical Mouse") for you to try. I myself have got the Delux bluetooth mouse - worked for me, so therefore I've transitioned to a vertical gaming mouse. I don't have RSI but prefer my wrist to be in a more "anatomical" position.
Grabbed one thanks, liking it so far.
I'm still waiting for my backorder, been over a month :|
Now this is a legitimate bargain