Need the OzBargain 2 Cents - Entitled Person Wants to Travel, Family Disapproves.

Update: Thanks everyone, I really appreciate the suggestions and the feedback - especially the VoIP suggestion for Gam Gam! Thank you for answering the questions I had. There were some angles I didn't consider but can appreciate better because of this. Some of your suggestions also confirmed the sentiments I harbor deep inside and while I appreciate parents should feel protective of their children, I'm ready to accept the consequences of my actions/decisions. Based on the current situation of COVID, I'm re-assessing the risk. As some readers have suggested, the reciprocal health arrangement is important to consider; and having purchased health insurance, I feel a little bit safer. That said, should it get worse in either Australia or Norway within next 10 or so days, I'll call it off. 🙏


To preface this, I've booked an overseas visit to an overseas country (Edit: Norway) with limited exposure to COVID around five or so months ago. The past year has been brutal on my body and my mind and it serves as an opportunity to de-stress, finally visit the country. (I've been wanting to visit since I was 7 years old and watched a documentary.) I'm keeping it vague because my relatives (bless them) do browse this awesome community.

As a millennial who has been called incredibly entitled, I'd like to get a few different perspectives from my favorite bargain hunting community. Also, I'm of the opinion that we all die someday, and we might as well live and be the best of ourselves.

My family is concerned about COVID and is under the assumption that there is a mass deep state conspiracy and it is incredibly prevalent in the community. Coming from a background focusing on peer reviewed articles, I pay a little bit more attention towards the scientific journals and WHO. Based on my age, 25 and absence of any debilitating health problems such as AIDs, HIV, Diabetes, Heart disease, I reason that the risk of morbidity and mortality is low i.e. 2 in every 1000.

Given the widespread panic, reported emptiness of airports and aeroplanes and having saved an emergency fund for medical costs, I made a risk calculation and decision that it is acceptable to travel. My family disagree and have insisted that I delay my flight and travels. That I am inconsiderate (to them, yes) and that they are suffering with worry and stress. They are also concerned that the medical bills (which I would never put on them and rely on my own to dig out of) will be excessive and put pressure onto the family.

They're insisting that my decision to continue travel instead of rescheduling is selfish and making them sick. (Accurate on both points though I contend that they're the ones who are worrying as is their parental instincts.) The last part - sickness is a reality and a guilt trip.

My position is that I have been burning the midnight oil, bringing my dream to reality and I NEED an escape. I love Australia and it's the best country in the world… but I need to visit somewhere different. Moreover, I'm at an age where I have responsibilities over my actions and I have my own values and individuality (as we all do.) It doesn't help that my overseas vacation is a reward for meeting pre-determined goals. Finally, if I cancel and wait the COVID out whenever that may be… 3 months… 12 months… 3 years etc. (SARS lasted almost 2) then I have set a precedent to not travel just because my parents worry about me. (I do plan to visit SEA later in the year to attend a couple of conferences)

So my problem and questions are these -

  1. Does this sound like it can be resolved by better communication?
  2. I don't want to feel responsible for something my parents have no/little control of. At the same time, I have my own life and want to reconcile with my own decisions. There's a deep internal conflict and honestly a great deal of resentment that will be bottled in if I cancel at their insistence.
  3. About setting bad precedents, can anyone who's been in a similar situation in the past share how they've handled it? Deflecting the issue hasn't helped in this instance.

Thank you in advance!

TLDR: Adult is conflicted about traveling to a traditionally low risk country because parents are worried. Seeks the community's help to understand and resolve deep deep issues.

closed Comments

  • +92 votes

    Go anyway and die from a different means other than covid19. That'll show them.

    • -7 votes

      Or die from COVID19 in a foreign hospital. I bet the family is sick of being wrong.

      • +13 votes

        Or stay and die from COVID19 locally!

        • +4 votes

          or die due to lack of toilet paper locally

    • +2 votes

      I'm going to Norway mate, not to Bali or Phuket with the notorious motorbikes! XD

      • +11 votes

        Norway currently has four times as many cases as Australia, just an FYI (as of today anyway). Assuming you're 'safe' there is as foolhardy as here. The more the thread goes on, the more you do sound a bit spoiled and whiny, looking for justification to be a grown up. Go if you want, you're a grown ass human. Accept the consequences of your actions and enjoy your trip!

        Norway isn't going anywhere but if you want to go, just go and accept the inherent risk, it's called adulting!

        https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.h...

        • +4 votes

          Norway actually testing people probably has something to so with that.

          • +2 votes

            @DisabledUser247855: exactly, there could be so many more people in Australia if testing was more wide spread

        • +1 vote

          Two of my friends are actually stuck, quarantined, in a hotel in Norway right now. When they get home they'll likely be quarantined again. Travelling is going to be pretty inconvenient for a while.

      • -1 vote

        You need oxygen to breath, you don’t need to go to Norway.

        Looks like coronavirus loves colder temperatures so bon voyage sucker

      • +2 votes

        Norway? might die from old age if you stay there!

    •  

      We're all going to die have to choose a path in life bro. But paraphrased from the wise words of Tyrion,

      "In my own bed, with a belly full of Super Premium Shiraz and a maiden's m—— around my c—-, at the age of eighty a hundred"

      Saying that, I'll probably shoot out earlier given my disdain of loss of strength.

  • +1 vote

    Go and when they get COVID they can't blame you because you weren't here and you can tell them you were better off not being here.

  • +2 votes

    are you living with your parents ?

    if not, they won't have to know if you're travelling

    • +6 votes

      Not living with the parents but I do call regularly to make sure Gam Gam is in good health

  • +3 votes

    I would take a hard look at the country you are traveling to and the risk rating it has.
    A secondary thing is how good is the countries hospital system and does your travel insurance cover covid 19?

    If you post-pone and need an escape I would suggest hitting a road trip to the Aussie country side, somewhere you have never been and spending a few nights.

    Byron Bay up your way is a great escape and you can live the traveling life there for a while.

  •  

    Where are you planning to go?

  • +13 votes

    Unless smart traveller says do not travel, enjoy your trip! You are your own person and it seems like your family need to let go a bit, if you give in this will go on forever.

    • +5 votes

      Smart traveller thinks usa is fine, even germany.. to travel too but just look at the number of cases.

      If you are single and don't have anoyone else to care for I would say go, but its still a bit dangerous.

      Germany 1,565

      USA - 976 cases (thought they aren't testing regularly but given companies are working from home its getting serious)

      Guess how much norway has 400.

      • +2 votes

        We are still letting in Germans, Americans and Norwegians.

        If those countries are a bit dangerous, so is Australia.

        •  

          Australia 116 +23

          not yet, but soon it will be.

      • +5 votes

        Those are just the reported numbers. Given the state of the american health system, I'm fairly sure the actually number is way higher.

      •  

        Nice

      •  

        Smart Traveller bases their estimates on the difference between risk here and risk there. There is currently no significant difference in risk in Germany or the USA compared to Australia, so there is no point to a travel advisory to those countries. Germany has 1565/82.79m or 0.00189%. The US has 976/327.2m or 0.000298%. Australia has 128/24.6m, or 0.0005.2% (very roughly double the US, half Germany). Norway has 400/5.37m, or 0.007.4%, which is the worst of the 4, but still comparable enough to Australia that there won't be an advisory.

        For comparison, Italy has 12462/60.5m, or 0.021%, and China has 80790/1368m, which is 0.0058%, but the issue was the localised cluster in China (Hubei) which has 67733/58.5m or 0.12%.

  • -1 vote

    We're missing a key part to this story; which country are we discussing? Because every country technically has limited exposure to COVID.

    • +3 votes

      Ivory Coast

  • +9 votes

    They're insisting that my decision to continue travel instead of rescheduling is selfish and making them sick.

    thats some manipulative bullshit right there! When your trip comes around, if there's no travel restrictions to your destination and you still feel the risk is low I think you should go.

  • +6 votes

    Based on my age, 25

    This makes you an adult. You do you.

  • +1 vote

    My family is concerned about COVID and is under the assumption that there is a mass deep state conspiracy and it is incredibly prevalent in the community.

    LMAO.

    If you watch the news it's a global pandemic (reality: major epidemic in several countries).

    If you watch some of the er … wackier reporting it's engineered by USA/CN/IL. (reality: wut?)

    In both cases your just better off not viewing the stupidity and becoming uninformed.

    Just go, it sounds like you want to.

  • +1 vote

    There is new info about covid that is coming out everyday. I was of the opinion that the risks are okay, as flights are at ten year lows. However, there are things like people recovering and still being positive.

    • +1 vote

      However, there are things like people recovering and still being positive.

      Well yeah, because there's no cure…..just like aids and cancer….

  •  

    Your family loves you and only want the best for you.

    I'm on their side. There are many unknowns about the virus, but look at how communities are dealing with it.. that's the bigger issue.

    • It's unlikely COVID-19 will kill you, but being in a foreign country (do you speak their language?) in isolation will cause greater stress for your self and family.
    • If you're going to a country with a poor health system, you might find you can't get antibiotics or even paracetamol. You're healthy now, but if you can't treat the bacteria infection after you've caught the virus, it could be deadly even for a healthy person.
    • There may be civil unrest in poorer countries if people cannot get bare essentials.

    On the flip side, do what you need to do. You're old enough to make your own decisions. Doctors, soldiers, journalists go into dangerous situations, though they're likely doing it for others not for themselves.

    TL/DR: Why risk it? You're young, you've got plenty of time to fulfill your bucket list. Just make sure whatever you do, if you're told to self-quarantine, do it. Don't go to woolies, don't go the theatre…

      • +3 votes

        By the other points I made?

        • Stress of isolation in a foreign (potentially non-english speaking) country.
        • Lack of essential medicine / care.
        • Civil unrest - look how idiots are acting here over toilet paper, what happens if there is a real situation.
        • +8 votes

          He's going to Norway, not PNG.

          • +2 votes

            @brendanm: Ahh, thanks. Didn't see that edit.

            If I was flying, I'd upgrade to business+ and avoid people as much as possible (even without the threat of COVID-19, people are filthy.. ;))

            • +3 votes

              @rompastompa: People are filthy, there is no disputing that. Business class will probably be cheap at the moment as well.

              •  

                @brendanm: If it doesn't get significantly worse - already Pandemic at writing, I'll see what the options are…

                Been wanting to go Business for a while now but haven't raised the points. As bad as it sounds, my dream might come true with the Coronavirus. Either that or I'll be piss drunk on Corona in the plane.

    • +4 votes

      Honestly, I have no idea why you've been downvoted. Your points are pretty spot on and I had not even considered the civil unrest aspect, which we've seen with Greece regarding migrants (i.e. there are already a number of unrest issues in Europe without the virus).

      We are in the same boat, we have a trip to Europe booked in June which we are most likely delaying as its not our personal safety we are concerned with, but that of our parents when we return.

      Its true, that it may hit Australia just as likely, but there is such a thing as stress adding to the burden of immunity and recovery that I do not want to inflict on my parents.

      OP, spare a moment for the sacrifices your parents have taken on your behalf over your life and you will realise the selfishness of it. This is an unprecedented situation. Consider what happens if the country your in goes into a lock down like Italy - will you be able to easily even board a flight to return to Australia?

    •  

      Wow why the negs.. valid points.

    •  

      If you're going to a country with a poor health system, you might find you can't get antibiotics or even paracetamol. You're healthy now, but if you can't treat the bacteria infection after you've caught the virus, it could be deadly even for a healthy person.

      You know that antibiotics will not at all help with a viral infection like COVID-19 right? Giving antibiotics to treat a virus "just in case" is one of the main reasons that we're seeing an increase in antibiotic resistant bacterial infections.

      •  

        antibiotics will not at all help with a viral infection like COVID-19 right?

        They don't help with the viral infection, but will help with bacteria infections that may be caused by the virus. I should have mentioned antibiotics/antiviral medication.

        treat the bacteria infection after you've caught the virus

        Just because you have a virus, it does not mean that you're immune to bacteria infections.

  • +9 votes

    Well, do whatever you want. But you may self-isolate yourself for 14 days after you come back to reduce the risks of getting your family sick. Just my two cents.

  • +12 votes

    My family is concerned about COVID and is under the assumption that there is a mass deep state conspiracy…

    Found the TP hoarder.

    •  

      Parents bought two cartons. Not as bad as some people but it wasn't violent… I myself am running out and may regret not buying later.

      • +1 vote

        Tell them you're going overseas to a country where toilet paper is readily available.

        •  

          Bu… but son, we already bought you 2x 40 foot containers, fills with your favorite TP brand…

  • +9 votes

    I love Australia and it's the best country in the world…

    Yeah wait until you get to Norway and realise it's heaps better than Australia haha

  • +4 votes

    Just go, grow a set, you are 25. Perfect time as flights etc will be cheap.

  • +3 votes

    My concern would be the inability to get health insurance to cover you if you do get sick. You may brush this off but you could be up for thousands if not hundreds of thousands. We know of one parent who had to sell their investment flat to cover the cost when their daughter in law went into early labour in Bali. If you can get the health insurance I would “go for it”.
    .

    • -3 votes

      Getting the flu isn't expensive like having a baby. Also you will be able to leave the country and ignore the bills if they even send any, I think we have reciprocal health systems.

      • +4 votes

        It is expensive if you end up on a respirator, which is what is happening to some people. If there are reciprocal health systems I would confirm you are covered for this outbreak. Also, leaving the country without paying the bills means you might not ever be able to get back there without covering them in the future. Also, some hospital systems need proof you can pay before admitting you.

  • +2 votes

    Everyone has smartphones now. Let them know you will check in with them every day so they know 1. Where you are, 2. That you are Ok.

    I travelled solo for a couple of years in my early 20s (South America, Central America and Asia) and put my parents through a great deal of stress. This was back before smartphones were a thing so it wasn't always easy to get a message to them, but as long as my mum knew where I was and that I was OK then she was Ok. There was a period though of about 3 weeks where I didn't check-in and she was flipping out.

    Travelling as I did was one of the greatest experience of my life and I would love for my kids to do the same, but still, I'd be stressed while they were away.

    Based on the information you gave I would still go. Travelling during the COVID pandemic will add to the adventure. Just be extra careful.

    •  

      This is nothing like travelling in your 20's in risky times. This is travelling whilst the world is an unprecedented state. Hostels are going to be half empty and to be honest, its going to be quite depressing. So there isn't much upside to the risk.

  • -1 vote

    Millenials worry too much. Go on your holiday, Greta!

  • +18 votes

    Your parents do sound unreasonably panicked. You also sound entitled.

    It is not just your parents at risk, it is your colleagues (if you have a job) your fellow students (if you are studying) and other people in the community around you - interesting that you are only considering your parents.

    There are pretty good arguments that even people in good health should not travel unnecessarily to slow the rate of spread, so the health system can cope.
    https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-...
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-pinch-why-it-s-better-to...
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Covid-19-curves-grap...

    You're going to argue you are just one person and one won't make a difference. That makes you sound like an antivaxxer. Sometimes everyone has to act together so the community as whole is protected. A healthy person might not die but they might get it and pass it on to an old person who does die. Was that worth the holiday they could have cancelled? Why should you get a free pass? You can take a break without spending 24 hours sharing air with strangers on a plane, and several hours in a transit airport. Take a roadtrip somewhere domestic and get away from your parents, they seem to be your biggest pressure point.

    •  

      If you can build an extra 14-days self-exclusion after your travels (if border control advises you to do so upon return), these points are lessened.

    •  

      Also if numbers rise, it would put a significant burden on the healthcare system and the people who actually need it most will suffer.

    •  

      You and everyone else on the plane are going to be breathing each others air for the period of time you are confined on the plane together. How do you think so many passengers on those cruise ships got sick? It is now acknowledged that keeping them confined in proximity to each other and breathing the recirculated air was a big contributor. It only takes one person on your plane…

      Let's not call it Coronavirus…let's say that travelling will increase your chances of getting a really bad case of pneumonia. Do you want to risk bad Pneumonia and potentially be subject to another country's health care system particularly at a moment in time when it is likely to be smashed?

      The current hospitalisation rate for Coronavirus is 20%. 1 in 5 people are going to either need oxygen or a ventilator if they get it. People focus on the mortality rate but the biggest issue is actually the hospitalisation rate. Health care systems cannot cope with the influx.

      Rather than rely on my or anyone else's opinion, I suggest you read up on the matter. Plenty of resources out there if you want to look:

      https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2...
      https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situati...

      In the end, like other people have noted, I think you are hunting for confirmation that you are ok to go. You do you…however if you ask me, I wouldn't go.

  • +3 votes

    You have done a rational risk calculation based on the best evidence available and determined, that for you, the risk is acceptable.

    Your parents have an irrational fear based on no evidence and are having an emotional response, and are trying to guilt trip you into doubting your own rational mind. This is a form of gaslighting.

    You need to explain that you have a right to decide your own health and that based on current evidence this is your final decision and you hope that they can wish you well on your holiday.

    Why do you say you are entitled? Nothing you describe about your thought process sounds 'entitled' to me. It all sounds very reasonable and thought out.

    Trust me you don't want these resentments/conflicts to build up over time.

  • +1 vote

    How exactly do they claim that your plans are making them sick? How odd.

    I think you have to be gentle and firm. Acknowledge that they have concerns but stay solid on your plan.

    In future, you could do as my friend does and simply not tell them next time you travel (until after you return), hah. It was the easy solution for her after having a similar experience to you! (and this was well before COVID-19 times).

    I have a business trip booked to Norway next month, and I expect it will be cancelled. Mostly from business insurance concerns. If I were travelling for a personal trip I'd probably still go, but would be keeping a close eye on how things go there. It's not so much the risk of infection, but all the logistical challenges that go along with the situation.

    "I do plan to visit SEA later in the year to attend a couple of conferences"
    Don't count on these happening. Depends when the conferences are and how things go between now and then, but conferences are being cancelled all over the place.

  •  

    Are you the only child of your parents ? Seems like they are overprotective, if you are the only child respect their wishes, if not do whatever you want.

  • +9 votes

    I NEED an escape

    3 weeks later… "I NEED to escape"

  •  

    Your family are actually controlling and manipulative.
    Corona virus is just their excuse to exert some power over you.
    Its really about whether you want to accept that behaviour from them and allow that to happen.
    You sound smart and considered.
    You either give them control of your life and cancel your trip or you tell them you believe they are wrong, explain why and inform them you will still be travelling.
    Its only a big deal if you allow them to make it one.

  • +1 vote

    Norway has a perfectly decent medical system and English is widely spoken/understood.

    Your parents sound overprotective and perhaps a little manipulative, however you can short-circuit the whole "you travelling will make us sick" argument by staying away from them for a minimum of 14 days upon your return.

    Assuming that you bought travel insurance when you booked the trip you will want to call the insurer to check if you are covered for any COVID-19 related expense.

    I personally would not travel as my experience travelling when COVID-19 was just starting was not fun, but you might have a better experience than me.

  • +7 votes

    Unfortunately you won't understand where they are coming from until you have kids of your own. My parent's were the same in my 20's questioned their actions then but now that I have kids of my own I can understand their thinking, and would probably be the same to my kids in their 20s.

    At the end of the day it's still your choice and they will get over it, remember they're only worried because they love you. If they didn't they wouldn't care about you going, so in saying that you can go and they will forgive you.

    You can feel sick from worry - https://www.webmd.com/balance/guide/how-worrying-affects-you...

    •  

      Yeah, I see it from my parent's perspective which is why I wanted the community to share their thoughts. My perspective is -

      1. It's my life and hence my responsibilities.
      2. If I say I'll stay back, for this reason, it creates a precedent in the event I need to visit other countries.
      3. Personal resentment if I stay because they get worried, stressed and have increased susceptibility to illnesses e.g. COVID. They're responsible for their own worry and stress but if I go, I'm not helping them forgive/absolve their worries in any way. If I stay, they feel better but I feel disappointed (to say the least.)
      4. As some people have said, it is really manipulative and I don't want to encourage this behaviour - trying to change their behaviour slowly ;).
      5. PS: I have a sibling and hope he'll benefit from these subtle changes.
  •  

    You're 25 years old and not living with your parents. Presumably you are not financial dependent on them in ANY way, or having them fund ANY part of this trip.

    On this basis, go on the trip and do whatever else blows your hair back.

    By the time I was not much older than you are now, I would go on overseas holidays and the first my parents would find out about it is when they called me out of the blue and I'd tell them wherever I happened to be, or maybe after I got back.

    It may sound tough, but you're now at the age where you need to stop worrying about what your mum and dad say about the way you run your life. You need to be clear that you'll make your own choices and live with the consequences they may bring.

  • +6 votes

    Solution?

    1. budget to be isolated from them for 14 days from your return, book an airbnb near your house for this, to protect your loved ones. End of their involvement/putting them at risk from your choices. Parents will worry, mine do even now. You will worry over your own kids, it's built in at a coding level.

    2. Budget for significant out of pocket expenses should anything that happens be able to be blamed on covid-19 by your insurance company (effectively, act as if you have no insurance, which probably won't be as much fun a trip I admit!)

    If you have it, stay in the country you got it in until it has passed, don't be a dick and fly! You will get a wonderful Norwegian nurse :) and all that goes with world class healthcare. If you develop it here stay home, covid-19 will be disproportionately spread by selfish people not complying with self isolation, the majority of people who are asked to self isolate do so without the urge to attend festivals, nightclubs or restaurants for 14 days, which isn't long compared to the knowledge your urge to party just killed 10 people dear old grannies.

    Remember to bring back lots of toilet paper in your duty free, the Scandinavians are a sensible sort and understand that there's plenty of paper to go around if people aren't asshats.

  •  

    Given the widespread panic, reported emptiness of airports and aeroplanes and having saved an emergency fund for medical costs, I made a risk calculation and decision that it is acceptable to travel.

    Please give us your workings. We might be able to point you out where you might have put the decimal place in the wrong place. We don't trust the Australian education system either considering your proposal.

    From Australia if you are lucky you will be flying Perth to London then to Norway. Most likely you will be going through Asia and Middle East which is both high risk areas.

    •  

      highest risk area currently is London….

      •  

        Okay, back to school for you.

        If 400 cases in the UK (population 60 million) is higher risk than Singapore (160 of 5.6m) / Hong Kong (120 of 7.3m) / Dubai (74 of 3.3m) etc.

        UK COVID 19 broken down by local council

        •  

          its a hub for flights/planes from italy

          •  

            @petry: Coronavirus: British Airways, Ryanair and easyJet cancel all flights to Italy

            its a hub for flights/planes from italy

            Okay Mr Yesterday's News.

            •  

              @netjock: oh look belatedly Australia followed all the others- 2 little 2 late.

              •  

                @petry: Sorry I can't report on tomorrow's news today.

                •  

                  @netjock: ' it is understood that personnel arriving from Italy after the Australian government imposed the stricter controls have been allowed entry after being individually assessed upon arrival.'

                  Mate that's today grand prix news - enjoy your taxbreak cuz 2 many paid in blood for them.

                  Our wonderful pollies were 2 little 2 late for the hellfires and now the pandemic, and its racist economic policy has sent the economy down the toilet.

                  •  

                    @petry:

                    Mate that's today grand prix news - enjoy your taxbreak cuz 2 many paid in blood for them.

                    I won't get any of the coronavirus package announced today. Unfortunately I don't get benefits from the government.

                    How about you stop acting immature.

                    •  

                      @netjock: 'Sorry I can't report on tomorrow's news today' netjock

                      •  

                        @petry: You are so proudly immature for all to see.

                        •  

                          @netjock: All you do is call people names because the truth is impossible for you to accept so you just denigrate the messenger in the hope that somehow the truth will get lost.

                          the stimulus package is being sold to cover up the gross financial mismanagement of the Australian economy by the current pollies - it aint enough and it won't work because they have stuffed us up for the next decade…

                          •  

                            @petry: Refer to the message you first replied to.

                            It wasn't about financial mismanagement of the country.

                            It was you saying London is hotspot for Coronavirus.

                            My response is Dubai, Singapore and Hong Kong have higher incidence per million population than the UK as a whole.

                            Then you saying London is a hub for flights from Italy. I pointed out that is untrue because flights were banned 1 week ago.

                            How did you go from COVID 19 occurrence to blaming me for Lib/LNP mismanagement of this country.

                            I deserve an apology even if it is a silent one.

                            •  

                              @netjock: All you do is call people names because the truth is impossible for you to accept so you just denigrate the messenger in the hope that somehow the truth will get lost.

                              Now you reckon you deserve an apology for being abusive, and your dates are far out 2

                              •  

                                @petry: Truth is above for everyone to see.

                                •  

                                  @netjock: not anywhere near your name on this site

                                  •  

                                    @petry: LOL. You would go far in comedy.

                                    •  

                                      @netjock: no mate you ain't funny, your so called facts are trash, and you just keep on and on saying nothing but abuse.

  • -1 vote

    I reckon it's a great time to travel for the young and healthy. If I was you I would deliberately infect myself with COVID then quarantine myself before I went.

    •  

      Keep this rubbish advice to yourself. If you deliberately infect yourself with covid, there are much more possible risks like infecting health care workers and public.

  • +1 vote

    "They're insisting that my decision to continue travel instead of rescheduling is selfish and making them sick."

    Sounds like they are the ones being selfish and choosing to make themselves sick partly as a way of controlling you into not going on or enjoying your holiday.

  • +5 votes

    As a parent it's my job to worry about my kids -no matter how old they are! I have an adult kid in Japan who will be there for another 2 weeks or so and i just gently prompt her with an email 'Are you still alive?' so she will reassure me. She went there at the very beginning of the Covid19 scare but is sensible enough to have decent travel insurance (if she gets infected and needs to stay there) and hand washing protocols (she is in a medical profession).
    Reassure the oldies like us you will stay in touch-no longer takes 5 weeks for a letter to arrive :) and enjoy it. Your life can change in an instant if you have a car accident and get horribly maimed and mutilated so grab the chance now while you are fit and well.

    •  

      Assuming COVID isn't going to get markedly worse, this is a good compromise.

  • +1 vote

    I once removed Iran from my itinerary because my mother was worried about it. (39 at the time). Instead I had to route through China, Kygystan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan. I had a great time in those countries, but to this day I regret it because Iran is meant to be awesome. Letting someone else's fear dictate your plans is a slippery slope. I don't know who said it first, but I would rather die regretting what I DID, than what I DIDN'T do. You'll be at greater risk from a hundred other things than the virus. More people died of plane crashes TODAY in Australia than have died from Covid-19 in total so far(5 vs 4 I believe). More people will die from murder, car crashes, drug abuse, cancer, heart attacks.
    Never let fear, particularly someone else's, dictate your plans. Get your ass out there now! I would be all over these cheap travel dates if I could.

    • +5 votes

      You're speaking with retrospect.

      If you were to have died or mutilated as per your mother's concern, your tune would be different.

      The people who removed White Island probably have the same regrets as yourself… until it erupted.

  • +8 votes

    You're not likely to die of Covid19 going to Norway, agreed… probably just as safe there as Australia & just as likely to catch the disease there as here. However you could reasonably expect to end up being in a country with quarantine restrictions in place requiring you to stay indoors and not travel or visit. Restaurants/cafes will probably be shut down so you'll have to rely on what food the hotel can feed you. Given Norway is #11 in world in terms of Covid19 infections this is very likely to happen. If you are happy to put up with this than go…. for me I'd rather avoid putting myself in this sort of situation.