30% off split system air conditioners from the good guys while stocks last.
Noob here, I'm going to install a solar system. It might be a good time to stop using my ducted heating, and switch to such heaters. Thoughts, anyone?
Absolutely not. Split systems are far more efficient. Yes a split might not heat the whole house, but sometimes you don't want the entire house heated.
Depending where you are, but in VIC, gas is getting more and more expensive. A split system A/C converts approx 1 unit of electricity into 4-5 units of heat. Very efficient!
Especially with solar, run it during the day for free heating.
Once my hot water system dies, I'm going back to electric tank and getting the gas cut off. Induction stove, reverse cycle heating, heat pump hot water.
Pretty sure I said single room in the above but sure. Just forget that part. And it depends on your unit for how efficient your split system is.
@LittleTicket: Horses for courses. A ducted reverse cycle will be more efficient than central ducted gas heating. It's the way a heat pump works.
Just because a split in one room only heats one room and a little of adjacent rooms doesn't make it less efficient than gas ducted.
It's still far more efficient on energy use comparatively.
Even if you had a room gas heater compared to a split in that room, the split would win out.
Yes, ducted can heat a whole house effectively, but it's not efficient. That's the key, the word efficiency.
My hot water tank used 270kWh last month. With a dedicated circuit and price, the usage for that one alone is $55 a month at the moment, and winter only started. This is for two people. We (very) occassionally run out of hot water, as it heats it up only at night, for a better price.
Remaining electricity usage is below 200kWh, so I consider that tank a monstrosity.
I wish I had a gas water heater and a gas stove, as it's more versatile.
edit: That's without solar panels taken into account, right.
Why do people assume the ducted system is gas? Around here, ducted means electric.
Either way, split system is more efficient.
Because it usually is? If it isn't gas, it is typically reverse cycle.
Can you even get resistive element ducted? That would be catastrophic on the power bill and no doubt need 3 phase.
If it isn't gas, it is typically reverse cycle.
If it isn't gas, it is typically reverse cycle.
Or plain one-way refrigerative cooling. Both are electric. For some reason, they end to be much less efficient (COP < 3).
Aircon and solar obviously most cost effective way to go. However, some ppl don't like Aircon heat. I know some people couldn't care less but it does for others. As mentioned below, if gas is only used for heating and you don't care about the type of heat, then getting gas disconnected altogether will probably end up saving you a bundle.
I use gas for cooking so can’t get it disconnected altogether.
Unless you really like gas cooking (many do!) just get rid of all your gas appliances then disconnect from the street and go full electric as it makes your expensive solar install so much more worthwhile.
@SteveAndBelle: Not @SteveAndBelle, @anybody: Has anyone in SA done this? Because as I read it if there is gas available to the premises you're forced to use gas for hot water, it's not allowed to install an electric hot water service.
Certainly it can if you really love gas cooking. You can have a plumber fit off a gas bottle point outside your kitchen to run your gas cooktop. Even with gas cooktops, most ovens are electric.
So you're needing gas for 4 gas burners only. Fit off a 9kg bottle. Fill 2x 9kg gas bottles. When one runs out, swap them and then next time you're going past camping shop get it refilled for $15-20. No annual service fee like with the bigger Elgas bottles.
A 9kg gas bottle running a stove only will last ages.
Gas ducted heating uses a lot of electricity to move air around, between 500-750w. It can be very noisy too.
A H8kW split system on start up use 2400w for about an hour and use 1000w to maintain the temp.
The only time split doesnt do well is when outdoor temp is very cold, close to 0c cold. It will use more energy and sometimes the outdoor condenser will freeze up with ice.
Great prices on the 2.3 & 3.5kw systems considering it's cheaper when what the goodguys commercial site Is selling it for ($554/666)
Cheap because needs extra gas if not installed back to back.
Does it have to be back to back? Can it be connected through a hose to outside of the house. It's just a few meters away?
Back to back is considered approx 3 metres of piping between the units. Most systems usually have enough gas in them for 6-8 metres of piping.
Great timing, was in the market for a new reverse cycle unit. Awesome price for the 7kw units.
How does Hisense compare to Fujitsu, Mitsubishi or Panasonic?
How is Panasonic after sales service?
Thinking of a split system instead of evap.. hmm
What is average installation cost of this in a standard single story house?
A rough estimate is approx. $400-$600 as every install is different. Can be DIYable for around the $350-$400 mark as you need to purchase a few specific tools for the task so kinda pointless for a one-off but very cost effective if you plan to install multiples moving forward. DIY is obviously illegal if you don't have the certification.
Woah did not know installation costs that much. When I got mine done, I supplied the units and I only paid $150-$250 per unit depending on which level.
Yeah!? When was that Deuce? The multiple quotes I received over the last few years were within that range and also reflect what I've seen quoted here by other OzBargainers. I think I saw someone mention $300 but it seemed unobtainable and could've been a quick cash job on the side. I'm suspecting the installation prices have gone up relative to the fall in the price of the units themselves over the years so the net cost probably hasn't changed but the installers are now making more than ever. Dunno. A family member recently got ripped off though… he had his basic 20-year old 2.5Kw Daikin replaced with a like for like unit. Total price was just under $2000!! I nearly died when I saw the receipt. All the annoying hard work (running cables & pipes etc.) was already done so they absolutely took him for a ride… and some tradies wonder why they're hated so much. Hmmm.
@SteveAndBelle: I got mine done during winter 2019. This was brand new install, double storey including override switches and fuses if needed. But no invoice, cash only hence why it was so cheap but his workmanship is top notch since he done 2 installs 15 years ago and no problems.
@Deuce: Yeah right! Hold onto him then :) That's a bargain for sure as the parts required (pad/bracket, copper pipe, cabling & breaker) would be at least $70 alone for a basic install which means he's only charging $80 for his time, effort, tools, know-how & certification!
Exactly my thoughts! The installation charges will be more than the unit itself. Yes the unit is cheap but Hisense/haier in aircons? Meh! Not for me. I would rather go with MHI/ME/Daikin/Fujitsu. Got MHI installed for pretty much the same price with price beat from bunnings and cashback
I've seen multiple Mistral units with the outer cases completely rusted away (very close to the coast) and still working as well as the day they were installed 15 years later. Alot of the "no names" use the exact same parts as the well known ones and vise versa.
Do yourself a favour and look at some online reviews before you pull the trigger. They're possibly the worst units you can buy.
do you have to find your own installer for OP aircon deal
Why not buy the Fujitsu with a bonus offer of a $400 master card. Takes it to $599 for 2.5 kw reverse cycle
Because it's not a $400 bonus MasterCard it's $150 for that model.
For anyone that is interested in a different brand. eBay are having that 15% off sale and Appliance Central sell lots of different air cons. One example is the Fujitsu 3.5kw which you currently get a $150 gift card with (via claim). It’s $899, down to $764.15 after 15% discount. Works out to be $614.15 after receiving the gift card. Far better brand for splits IMO. Shipping is on top e.g. $65 to Melbourne.
I am actually thinking of getting a 7.1KW Fujitsu model number ASTG24KMCA. Not sure if this or Mitsubishi HI?
Both are good brands, but MHI probably better, but you can't go wrong with either.
I really like MHI, but couldn't go past a deal going back where a Fujitsu 2.4kW AC was $850 on special, with $150 HN Visa card + $150 Fujitsu cash back. Meant the unit came down to $550.
I was after the 7.1KW so got the Fugitsu, 15% discount plus $200 cashback. Makes it $1257, very happy with that price.
Shipping just kills it a little. Can click and collect from TGG
Why is it so many people think installation of an AC is included in the purchase price? I don’t understand.
They have been sold that way in the past, and it makes sense. Easier for the shop to negotiate reasonable install prices than a one-off consumer.
And better for the installer to do a whole bunch of the same device, avoid billing hassles etc.
Sometimes a middle man is useful, especially when they are already selling the hardware.
I have ducted cooling, but need a heater for the living room (~25sqm). Would this be a suitable option? The small ver enough?
Do you live in Hobart, Canberra, or Darwin?
What area of windows? Roof insulation?
For 25m^2 in Adelaide, it should be fine, and if not, better to fix your roof insulation and get thermal curtains, than getting a bigger aircon.
Quite a big temperature-display on these units, for anyone fussy about those sorts of things.
yeah that looks quite tacky in my opinion.
I wish I could even turn the annoying beep off my Fujitsu.
Not ideal in bedroom - does it beep when turning off with a sleep-timer too?
Luckily not, only when manually pressing remote buttons.
I did use an old Carrier split (cheap chinese), that beeped when the timer turned on at 6am - bloody irritating!!
I hated that unit too because even on the lowest fan speed it was so loud. Compared with my Fujitsu on low speed it just purrs along and I can barely hear it.
How does this work. Does each unit come with the outside part or is it just the inside unit? And how much would installation typically cost for one unit?
Yes it comes with the corresponding outdoor unit which mounts outside on the wall or sits on a concrete pad against the side of the house.
Back to back installs (where the inside and outside unit share the same wall), usually around $600-800 - this is for a decent job, neat and tidy, usually with wall bracket and separate circuit to meter box (rather than the dodgy way of joining it onto a nearby power circuit).
I usually advocate to buy a rasonable quality brand since you need to spend this much to install it and want it to therefore last.
One of my Fujitsus is now going on 11 years old and is used daily as a heater in winter.
Fujitsu have a cashback promo running at the moment, it is $150 for a smaller-size (2.5/3.2) split system unit. TGG Commercial have the Fuji for $843 (less $150 cashback) making it $693, versus $510 for the Hisense.
Definitely worth the extra money.
But also cheaper here too:
$845 but use ebay 15% discount code, brings it down to $718.25, less $150 cash back = $568.25
For $60 extra compared to Hisense, I know I'd choose the Fujitsu in a heartbeat.
@placard: Thanks, I'll take a look. Need to factor in delivery costs to WA.
@Charlie Dont Surf: Oh yeah, sorry i didn't factor in delivery there…and some places are more than others.
@placard: No worries, $110 delivery to WA cancels out much of the saving. Especially if I can also use gift cards on TGG Commercial and/or get some cashback! I bought a Fuji last year for another room and do like them.
@Charlie Dont Surf: …and probably better bet to deal with The Good Guy should something go wrong.
I've always been happy with Fujitsu. Had one of these newer units for 18 months no issues and an older one from 2009 7.1kw that's been a daily work horse as a heater 7-9 months of the year (Melbourne more cold than hot), and sporadically over the odd summer day as cooling.
@placard: whats the code for the ebay15% discount code? thanks
Apologies for my ignorance, what is the importance of separate circuit to meter box? Would it matter for 2.5kw vs 7kw split system?
Basically most A/C manufacturers stipulate that the A/C must be wired to a separate circuit in order for it to be covered by warranty. So even if it can quite happily sit on a shared circuit (ie a power socket circuit), for warranty they all should be on separate circuits.
In this case, I had a 2.5kW A/C installed on a separate circuit. It could quite easily be on a shared circuit because it doesn't draw much power being a small A/C, but alas that's how it was installed.
Obviously larger unit ie 7kW not only to ensure warranty, but need to be on separate circuit due to their higher power load. You wouldn't want to have these ones on a shared circuit, otherwise turn a few other things on, on that same circuit and it would trip the circuit breaker.
So in other words, electrically, larger units should be on separate circuits, whilst small units could go on shared circuits, but in terms of the wiring rules/A/C warranty requirements most units stipulate they must be on separate circuits.