Mother Caught on Mobile Speed Camera, No Warning Signs

Hey guys,

So my mother got in the mail a fine for going 10km/h or under on a road from a mobile speed camera at night, this was approx at 8pm. Fine state she was going 56km/h in a 50 zone.

Upon checking her dash cam on the road, there were no warning signs at all and I advised she should contest it with her dash cam evidence.

Has anyone contested this kind of fine with video evidence?

Should she contest it?

Thanks

Poll Options

  • 46
    Yes
  • 579
    No

Comments

  • +1 vote

    Your only plead is good behaviour and leniency.

  • +1 vote

    Could the measured speed on your mother's fine be 59km/h, not 56km/h? I don't know about NSW, but in Vic they take 3km/h off the measured speed and issue the fine for the reduced speed.

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      I thought so too, 6km/h is not much room for error. Both driver and vehicle speedometer accuracy…

      • +4 votes

        Speedos slways overestimate your speed so pretty hard using that excuse.

      • -4 votes

        Used to be 10% but that was way too lenient.

        Today is a speedometer is not accurate then it's on the car owner, if you change wheel diameter, have roof racks creating drag etc, many things can change the accuracy but it's still up to the driver to ensure they're driving up to the legal limit.

        I've found Waze to be my best speedometer.

        • +8 votes

          Only wheel size would affect the speedo.

          Outside of the drivetrain that is.

        • +4 votes

          "have roof racks creating drag etc" hahahahaa. No.
          If you don't know what you're talking about, then don't talk.

  • +2 votes

    Mate there's speed limit signs all over the road. She needs to keep her eye on the speed signs.

    • +1 vote

      I agree… Didn't see the camera warning sign probably didn't see the speed limit sign also. The other explanation is willing over speeding. Neither of these are reasonable excuses.

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        Neither of these are reasonable excuses.

        just waitin for a mate… ??

    • +4 votes

      Those signs were flicking past so quickly that it was hard to read them.

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    Sometimes they have a fixed sign on a highways stating that speed cameras are in use for the nest 20 klms etc maybe there was one of those a few clicks before mum got busted

    • +4 votes

      Highways don’t have 50km/h limits.

  • +4 votes

    https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/speeding-camer...

    An initiative of the NSW Speed Camera Strategy is to enhance warning signs for mobile speed camera vehicles to ensure motorists see and recognise the enforcement activity. Mobile speed camera signage is overt; mobile speed camera vehicles are marked, and operators place portable warning signs approximately 50 metres before and after the vehicle. In addition, a further warning is provided up to 250 metres before the vehicle. The use of overt enforcement ensures all motorists see and recognise the enforcement activity and is an obvious reminder that enforcement represents a threat to those breaking the law.

    • +1 vote

      But this is just administrative practice by the RMS, not legislation or gazetted regulation.

      The most that will happen if your Mum complains is a memo to the operator saying 'don't do this again or we won't renew your contract', though probably not even that. As there is no law that says they have to have them the fine will stand.

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    Doesn't help to try

    • +1 vote

      You mean the exact opposite of what you said?

      • +2 votes

        Whoops Typo (or auto correct!) ..! Doesn't hurt to try!

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    No warning signs for a mobile speed cameras in Vic. No idea about tolerance of speeding limit as every states have different tolerance and they don't reveal. Just slow down for living cost and mental.

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    Signs or no signs. Nothing justifies willingly going over the speed limit. If she didn't see the camera warning sign, then she probably didn't see the speed limit sign either.

    Unfortunately this behaviour of speeding and then only reducing speed after you see a camera sign is what's going to get rid of the signs entirely in NSW.

  • +4 votes

    You’re SUPPOSED to adhere to the rules/laws of the road whether there is a sign (or a policeman) in site or not.If she was speeding and the speed limit was clearly visible, pay the fine and accept the point.

  • +1 vote

    As I'm sure it's already been said, unless signposted, speed limit is 50.
    This includes residential, commercial streets, industrial, pretty much anywhere.

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    Do you mean a warning sign stating that there's a mobile speed camera ahead or do you mean a road sign stating the speed limit? I don't think you should be expecting a warning sign and as others have stated, if it's unsigned, speed limit is 50 km/h.

    Regardless, considering she was just a few km over the speed limit, if your mother has a good driving record (i.e. no other infringements in the last 2 years), she could get off with a warning if she writes a letter.

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      In NSW, you need a 10-year clean driving record (on a full licence) for leniency.

  • +3 votes

    I bet your mum doesn’t know you have told all of Ozbargain about her being naughty and would rather just pay the fine and get it behind her.

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    since its under 10km/h you might be able to get off if she hasn't had an offence recently

  • +2 votes

    You are supporting your mother for setting a bad example to her son.

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    Where do these people come from?

    Why expose yourself as a complete @#$%$#

    Your mother presents a danger upon the road evident of her driving at a dangerous speed in which could result in causing death or serious injury to other drivers.

    Who does 10kph on "ANY" street?

    Get her off the road.

  • +1 vote

    For a second I thought it was she was fined for going 10km under the speed limit. I would have been screwed a long time ago.

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    That's normal in Vic, we never get warnings, when I travel interstate I consider that a bonus to get warned.
    Last week I got my speed checked by cops hiding in a 40kmh school zone.
    That school has had hardly any activity in the last few months.

  • +1 vote

    What kind of warning sign…. Warning sign as in a speed limit sign, or warning sign not to exceed the posted speed limit, or warning sign to do the speed limit because there's a camera ahead?

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      Most if not all Victorian roads with fixed speed cameras have a sign before the camera that says something along the lines of "Road safety cameras operate in this area". In some places, it's about a kilometre or so before the camera, but in other places, there seems to be just one sign for the whole length of the road, regardless of how many cameras there are and how far apart they are. These cameras are very common on overpass bridges, partcularly on freeways.

      Some speed cameras can calculate your average speed over a long distance - you pass one camera and the system notes the time, then you pass another camera some distance away and it calculates how fast you were going between the cameras. So, you can't just slow down for the actual camera and then speed up again. I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that toll road cameras are capable of doing this as well.

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        Yes, Eastlink has this capability as they use e-tag/license plate recognition to charge your travel use on the network and can detect to the millisecond how much time you spent travelling between two tag points thus establish average speed. I was told by an associate that Eastlink refuses to use this system to detect speeding drivers on behalf of the police.

        Given you could effectively go 150km for a period of time and slow down to compensate it would have its limitations and not discourage speeding.

        Does the dashcam show the recorded speed incidentally? Be interesting to see what speed discrepancy there is.

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          Given you could effectively go 150km for a period of time and slow down to compensate it would have its limitations and not discourage speeding.

          To drive like that would take more discipline than simple driving at the speed limit. You would have to know the distance between the detection points and carefully calculate the speeds required - if you make a mistake you will get a fine. As such I think it would discourage most people from speeding. More-so than random speed cameras where people will believe they will only get caught if they are unlucky.

          I think Eastlink is doing the right thing by not allowing their equipment to be used like that. If the state wants to issue fines then the state can operate its own equipment. In fact Victoria does operate point-to-point cameras on two roads.

  • +3 votes

    Should she contest it? Sure why not

    Will she succeed? Probably not, don't spend any money, learn the lesson

  • +1 vote

    If you are referring to a speed limit sign. The default residential speed limit is 50km/h.

    Speed signs are not necessary in these areas.

    It is the driver's responsibility to be aware of the speed limit at all times.

    Nevertheless, if your mum hasn't had an infringement in a while, she can request an official warning.

  • +1 vote

    just because there were no signs it does not mean she is allowed to speed,most vehicles these days have cruise control,even if her vehicle did not have cruise control it would probably cost less to buy a unit and have it installed than the fine she got

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      Based on years of driving using a cruise control a lot, most people don’t use it, their speed varies to much.

      Using cruise in a 50 zone is very rare. There are very few areas suited to using it. Most 50 zones are residential streets with lots of things to watch out for.

      Maybe a speed alert system is what you meant.

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    We have mobile speed cameras in qld and there are never signs warning you about them, it’s different if it’s a mobile speed camera in a van, they sometimes have signs right near them. In saying that, she was speeding so just pay the fine.

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      It is amazing how many people don’t know how to use cruise control. Amazing!

    • +1 vote

      In NSW there are warning signs otherwise households would go bankrupt and cops actually want people to slow down and those signs work wonders. Too many hoons in Sydney of a certain race. In Parramatta, it's especially evident of how well those mobile speed camera signs work.

  • +2 votes

    Just follow the road rules. Got over the limit >>> Just take responsibility, accept the fine and pay it.

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      The law state that the driver have the right to a review and/or have the case heard in a Court.

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        I think this is meant for people who think they've been falsely accused

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          People having their grievances heard in a Court is a right under the UDHR.

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            @whooah1979: yes that's true also, but what's the grievance here? I wasn't warned that I might be caught speeding so please don't fine me?

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              @bkhm:

              there were no warning signs at all

              The driver is claiming that the were no signs which is a legal requirement in NSW.

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                @whooah1979: oh, is it? Why?

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                  @bkhm: Contractors in New South Wales are required by law to set up their work site properly with signage.

  • +3 votes

    there were no warning signs at all and I advised she should contest it with her dash cam evidence.

    Were there any speed limit signs?

  • +4 votes

    There is a 2 km/h reduction in NSW. She got fined for 56, but was actually doing 58. Do the crime, pay the fine.

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    U need a warning sign to tell you don't speed. Nice

  •  

    56km/h in a 50 zone. Case closed.

  •  

    Hilarious post by OP. Blue Cat summed it up nicely.

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    Lol everyone who is saying don't contest it because you were speeding must be people who NEVER EVER BREAK ANY LAWS OF ANYKIND such as using their car horn improperly. If they are legally required to display mobile speed camera sign and did not, then contest it because they are in the wrong. Exclusion of improperly obtain evidence applies here.

    • +1 vote

      Lol everyone who is saying don't contest it because you were speeding must be people who NEVER EVER BREAK ANY LAWS OF ANYKIND

      Can one who has broken the law not encourage others to not repeat their mistake?

      Cops should wear bright flashing clothes or have warning signs where they're patrolling, so I know where not to rob someone and go full GTA.

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    Please take it to court. Let me know when you go so I can see the judges face when your excuse is that there wasn't a warning sign so she could temporarily stop breaking the law.

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    Heavens, be a grown up and pay the fine. I can't believe you think it is OK to contest it when she was clearly speeding. Sign or not that is irrelevant.

  • -3 votes

    Victoria has such stupid speeding laws. I got fined for going 105 km/h (100 km/h limit) on a freeway going to Geelong. WELL Sorry for (profanity) OVERTAKING on a highwayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

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    Sometime, I wish just own one speed camera on a busy road. Salary be like top CEO. Why work hard while the camera do all work for me. Lol

  •  

    You can't see the new mobile speed cameras.

    They are hidden in the boot behind the glass of SUVs parked on the side of the road. They don't flash as they use NV.

    You don't see it unless you're in daylight and are 2m away and by that time it's too late

    • +2 votes

      Different state, different rules. Contractors in New South Wales are required by law to set up their work site properly with signage.

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        shit for real?

        i would imagine the contractor would take a photo of their setup before every shift.

  •  

    I had a speed fine unexpectedly withdrawn by Victoria Police (Date was 31/12/17, speed 45km/h, limit 40km/h). My partner was driving my car, so I wrote to let them know that I was not driving. I paid the fine anyway on 12/2 as it was due 21/2.

    A few months later (July), I got a letter saying that they were replacing the fine with an official warning only as it was my first infraction. They then automatically refunded the $198.

    I'd try to convince them that she is a good driver rather than arguing there were no warning signs.

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    I got arrested for shop lifting.
    There was no sign warning against shop lifting.

    Absolute BS.

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    Which question am I answering?

  • +1 vote

    If she had a good driving record you can ask for a waive. But please don’t bring in this entitled garbage of an argument ever again

    there were no warning signs at all and I advised she should contest it with her dash cam evidence.

  • -1 vote

    How dare they put a Speed Camera without letting you know!

    /s

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    No signs?! You'd hate living here (Geelong, VIC).
    We have completely unmarked camera cars parked on the side of the road with a dark tint and the camera pointing out the back window. Your photo is taken before you even get to the car.
    One I passed today was a grey Hyundai.

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    All states don't always have warning signs. Qld and Vic don't.

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    No warning signs for mobile speed cameras in South Australia for over 10 years.
    The camera operators protested that they were made a target and had threats and items thrown at the vehicles when the warning signs were out.

  • -1 vote

    The only thing to contest would be "margin of error" and the fact that 6kph over the speed limit would be hardly noticeable.
    You can hardly see it on your speedo

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      This has probably already been taken into account in the fine.

  • +1 vote

    I think you've got the wrong website. This is ozBARGAIN. Where are the bargains?

    • +1 vote

      Free laughs and entertainment. :)

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    QLD don’t have warning sign before the mobile camera but we have big sign 100m after the camera saying YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT SPEEDING

    • +3 votes

      I grew up as a Quaintslander and the pigs always hid behind low shrubs at the bottom of steep hills - of which there are many in Brissie

      e.g. one where if I just coasted from stationary at the top I'd be doing 80kph in a 60kph zone at the bottom - that's where they'd hide the radar trap - and that's one of the reasons we called them pigs

      so when I moved south I was amazed - what !? They have signs warning you in advance of radar traps !? LOL !

      so yeah - depends where/what you first learned as to what you think is normal or awful.

      like that saying - “
      1) everything that’s already in the world when you’re born is just normal;
      2) anything that gets invented between then and before you turn thirty is incredibly exciting and creative and with any luck you can make a career out of it;
      3) anything that gets invented after you’re thirty is against the natural order of things and the beginning of the end of civilization as we know it until it’s been around for about ten years when it gradually turns out to be alright really.” - https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/470561-1-everything-that-s-...

  • +4 votes

    From the RMS;

    1. Are there signs to warn motorists approaching the cameras?
      Warning signs for mobile speed camera vehicles ensure that motorists see and recognise the enforcement areas. Mobile speed camera vehicles are marked and operators place portable warning signs 50 metres before and after the vehicle. Another warning is provided up to 250 metres before the vehicle. Warning signs ensure that all motorists see and recognise the enforcement activity. The signs also encourage motorists to stay within posted speed limits.

    So yes, I would certainly contest it especially if you have dashcam footage proving there was no sign.

    All these heroes in the comment section acting like they never even accidentally go over the speed limits from time to time are either kids, adults who have no drivers license, or self righteous keyboard liars. 6kph is so easy to go over, even if its just a slightly downhill section of the road.

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    Tell your dear old Mum that it's the black number on the white background inside the red circle.

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    Wait, you guys have warning signs? and what we get is cops that hide behind bushes to nab you and use covert cars with hidden speed cameras.

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      Hasn't that always been the Vic police modus operandi?

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    Not sure what state you are in but in Victoria if you haven't had a fine in 3 years and its under 10kmh over the speed limit you can simply write a letter to vicpol asking for a warning. Most Police dont even bother fining for anything under 10kmh. The other option would be contesting it they will most likely throw it out as it is not in the interest of the public to take 6kmh over the speed limit to court. It's a waste of time and money. Good luck.