Will You Be Trying to Boycott Chinese Products?

maxyzee on 01/12/2020 - 20:00
Last edited 02/12/2020 - 09:00

Hey All

With the diplomatic row between Aus and China over the last few weeks culminating in the tweets from the Chinese embassy, there’s been an obvious rising of tensions between the countries.

Given how ridiculous and ironic china’s position is, to have the gall to call out Australia for human rights abuses do you feel more strongly about trying to avoid products manufactured in China?

The report itself was Australia holding itself to account, it could have easily been covered up never to see the light of day but Australia relative to the rest of the world is one with more integrity than that.

I don’t see how China could ever lecture a country like Australia when it comes to war crimes/human rights abuse given their long track record, most notably the persecution of the Uighur population as well numerous other violations ranging from censorship to imprisonment/torture of dissidents. I don’t see China holding itself to account for those crimes anytime soon.

I like the idea in theory of boycotting Chinese made products but the reality is unfortunately from my perspective is that the supply chain is far too integrated in China to be able to boycott anything. Hopefully western businesses are more incentivised now to move their supply chains away from China but that will a long and slow process over many years possibly decades.

So TLDR will you be trying to avoid Chinese made products or are we in a situation that these products are so pervasive with our current lifestyles there’s nothing we can really do at the moment.

Edit: Poll added. Good suggestion.

Poll Options

  • 839
    Yes I will and do avoid Chinese made products wherever I can
  • 34
    Yes but only if the equivalent product is the same price and quality
  • 333
    Would like to avoid but can’t because of limited choice/availability/price
  • 239
    Don’t care whatever’s cheapest
  • 133
    Don’t care at all and would still buy Chinese made even if there was a choice of equivalent produc
General Discussion

Comments

    • ATangk on 05/12/2020 - 13:17
      +1

      India has the worst income inequality…

      • petry on 05/12/2020 - 15:14

        and slavery - ok we' re aussies lets forget the slavery because they share australian values…. $

  • axlfan on 05/12/2020 - 10:55
    +3

    The reality is that Australia depends a lot on China. This is the truth and we cannot wish this away. Our economy depends on China.

    Also, my own personal feelings are that only the Chinese govt is pathetic not their people.
    They love to subdue and suppress those who question them and are currently bullying nations around them such as India, Taiwan and now Australia.

    But the Chinese consumers and people are important to the Australian economy. The tricky bit is standing up to the crooked Chinese govt and avoiding antagonizing the Chinese consumer. It will be very hard to find another consumer base to replace them.

    Also remember, a lot of Australian businesses rely on Chinese goods and so a boycott will affect our own business and the economy.
    So we need to think and react logically. Blind patriotism in this case will only impact ourselves.

    After the recent border clashes with India, there were a few weeks of "boycott China" going on in that country as well. The lame duck Indian govt there could not do anything and once the people realized that India also depends on cheap Chinese goods and a boycott was hurting Indian reseller businesses badly, this was conveniently forgotten. Brands like Xiaomi and OnePlus still sell out of most of their new product releases.

    • vivekannd on 05/12/2020 - 11:28
      +8

      And the source for this is global times? China suffered losses this year with india.

      https://zeenews.india.com/economy/traders-record-rs-72000-sa…

      And here is all cancellations of Chinese contracts

      the Shanghai Tunnel Engineering Company of China which received a contract to build the underground portion of the rapid rail project between New Delhi and Meerut, a city about 60 kilometers away. Similarly, the Bihar government cancelled a deal for the construction of a new mega bridge because two out of the four contractors had Chinese partners, China Harbour Engineering Company and Shaanxi Road Bridge Group Company (JV), even though they had earlier been cleared by the Central Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs. There are also calls by the Maharashtra government to boycott Chinese investment. For instance, memorandum of understanding (MoU) worth 50.2 billion Indian rupees (INR) ($670 million) signed with three Chinese firms, Hengli Group (2.5 billion INR), Great Wall Motors (37.7 billion INR), and PMI Electro Mobility Solutions, a joint venture with Foton (10 billion INR) is already on hold.

      The mobile phones will be hit next a cheap mobile phone in pgoress with Google and reliance Jio.

      https://yourstory.com/2020/09/reliance-jio-google-100-millio…

      5G contracts no more with any Chinese company

      https://www.forbesindia.com/article/leaderboard/what-a-ban-o…

      Chinese App ban in one of the largest markets in the world makes it difficult for indian importers to get in touch with the Chinese exportors

      https://www.xda-developers.com/all-chinese-apps-banned-india…

    • FrugalDealHunter on 05/12/2020 - 15:01

      Ccp bot?

      • axlfan on 05/12/2020 - 15:07
        +2

        No. Common sense person. Fk the CCP.

      • axlfan on 05/12/2020 - 15:17

        Easy to say for someone if your livelihood and family is not directly affected.

  • nurbsenvi on 05/12/2020 - 11:57
    +2

    So you decided to buy nothing but food and fuel this Christmas?

  • Jackkkkkk on 05/12/2020 - 12:35
    +4

    That's funny, your phones are made in China. Everyone should throw their devices away hahaha

    • echocae on 05/12/2020 - 12:47
      +4

      haha.. not only mobile phone.. computers, tv, etc….
      If you guys think you are buying Made in USA or Europe…you are wrong most the main component that use in europe or use still Made in China…So technically all made in China

      technically just throw away all ur stuff and leave is dark ages

      • ATangk on 05/12/2020 - 13:16
        +2

        Those people who champion boycott all Chinese goods will cry sheep the moment you take away their routers, tv's, phones, heck even most kitchen appliances and some stovetops come from China. Better start getting the woodcutting axe out and starting that fire…

      • justwii on 05/12/2020 - 14:07

        Doing that would make you look like an idiot, just like those little pinks in China (wait, but even they couldn't stop watching Jap animates nor comics when they said they were boycotting Japan). You boycott China products, products that labeled Made in China or PRC.

      • D3HUN on 05/12/2020 - 15:03

        Well, no. China is producing a lot of stuff for sure, but they rely on technology from a lot of other countries, as most definitely not on the top.

        Most of the high tech is in Taiwan (I know, I know), not mainland. China relies on a lot of stuff coming from Europe/South Korea/Japan/US. Yes, they may assemble the final product…

        So actually it is the other way around.

    • justwii on 05/12/2020 - 13:59
      +1

      Poor thing who believes all the phones are made in China, oh dear🥺

      • Jackkkkkk on 06/12/2020 - 00:49

        Poor thing who believes a few % of the phones made outside china makes a difference loooooool

    • Cluster on 07/12/2020 - 10:10

      My phone is made in Vietnam, as have my previous few phones. They're Samsung. It is possible to avoid buying made in China if you try for most products.

  • outlander on 05/12/2020 - 14:13
    +1

    I'm no fan of the chinese government or the parts of chinese culture that promote meaningless suffering, but boycotts are a tactic of the past. They don't work anymore. You need to get more advanced.

    • D3HUN on 05/12/2020 - 15:04

      Like trowing the spanner into world economy using a virus?

      • petry on 05/12/2020 - 15:14

        american made - storm release…

        • ATangk on 05/12/2020 - 15:20
          +1

          Whatever happened to COVID being detected in early 2019 in Spain.

          • D3HUN on 05/12/2020 - 17:02

            @ATangk: Yeah, we all saw the outbreak in Europe as early as 2019 June (summer), right? Not.
            Or China had multiple infection hubs outside of Wuhan (I'd assume not only people of Wuhan visited Spain, right?) Can't remember either.

      • outlander on 05/12/2020 - 18:53

        If you as an individual have the power to create deadly virus's all on your own, well my boy, the world is your oyster

  • axlfan on 05/12/2020 - 14:15
    +1

    Sometimes the butthurt is funny to see but unfortunately our govt made their bed with China long ago and now we have to sleep in it.

    • Jabba the Hutt on 05/12/2020 - 15:05
      +1

      The bed being made:

      https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2013/jun/images…
      https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2016/dec/images…

      But anyone old enough will recall Australia being a pretty darn good place before that red line took off.

      There's often a tendency to view threats to existing lucrative situations and trajectories as intrinsically calamitous, while underestimating adaptability.

    • justwii on 05/12/2020 - 15:51
      +2

      Just keep in mind that China and Chinese culture are mostly fine, even CCP back in the old days was not so much a nuisance internationally (though not their internal affairs). What had changed? Quoting Clinton "Xi Jinping's long-term reign has upended U.S.-China relations"

      • CalmLemons on 06/12/2020 - 18:56

        This. This very reason is why there is a US election every 4 years, to prevent possible tyrants from ruling forever, because power corrupts absolutely.

        Imagine a world with 10 more years of The Donald.

        • petry on 20/12/2020 - 13:19

          Not a tyrant, would soon lose his head if he lost support unlike the russian employee trump, who has overseen the biggest security leaks in US history.

          The trouble with scamerica having our country, and all its many secrets and files in their possession is that they have given them all away to the russians…

          Its pathetic that the liberals and nationals sold out Australia by gifting all Australian security to another country, but hey clearly putting ALL your eggs in one basket sums up Australian policy for the last decade.

          • CalmLemons on 20/12/2020 - 22:19

            @petry: All hail, his most IMperial Magesty, Father of the Motherland, Overlord of Vulcan, Dominus of Kronos, Regina Andor, All Hail Putin Augustus laponius Centarius.

  • hopper on 05/12/2020 - 15:09
    -1

    Don’t care at all and would still buy Chinese made even if there was a choice of equivalent produc

    96 votes….爱国主义

  • frostman on 05/12/2020 - 15:59
    +11

    TBH - China did have a platform to lecture Australia on this occasion.

    Whilst the CCP is not a human rights advocate, Australia is, and yet it was in serious breach of war-crimes which it hid under the carpet.

    The report itself was Australia holding itself to account

    Wrong…it only came to light when an ABC journalist risked his job (and life) and obtained the footage and aired it, meanwhile he was charged with military information leak and had the fed police raid his home and office.

    • Where was this video sitting for 5+ years?
    • Who had this video?
    • Many ex-vets came forward and said they raised serious integrity concerns to their peers and it was dismissed

    I havnt seen a single court-martial for these corrupt soldiers sentencing them to life behind bars, at most it was dismissal from their unit

    • nurbsenvi on 08/12/2020 - 02:07
      -1

      Jesus, where did you learn to write like that are you a lawyer or something?

    • baskinghobo on 08/12/2020 - 15:24

      This whataboutism with China is starting to get on my nerves. People always like to bring up the atrocities committed by the US or Australia whenever China is criticized for it's human rights but they are still 10x better than China in modern times. Their communist government by nature will always be a threat to democracy and therefore human rights in general. People are failing to see that China is taking full advantage of this culture of guilt in western democracies and that's why you see a resurgence of right wing nationalists around the globe.

      Like Kevin Rudd explained, this was a small incident strictly speaking in terms of numbers and we still have free press here to learn about the war crimes, unlike China where the government is always right and just. Also I find it incredibly in poor taste to lecture someone about said war crimes when this all started because the Chinese government deliberately posted a fake image of an Australian soldier as a way of extortion and the Australian government simply called them out on it.

      • mychips on 11/12/2020 - 21:59
        +1

        Australia committed war crimes during an invasion against a poor nation based on false pretenses.

        If the roles were reversed, wouldn't you agree that the war crimes committed were an atrocity and should rightly be called out?

        China has every right to call Australia out for Australias' war crimes.

        • baskinghobo on 12/12/2020 - 13:07
          +1

          Like I already said you don't lecture a foreign nation right after posting fake images deliberately meant to stir the pot. Do you really think China gives a crap about human rights? They are clearly doing this for political purposes.

          It would be like if a journalist posted a fake image of Jared Fogle groping a child and Jared Fogle responding that the image is fake and demanding an apology and then said journalist lecturing Jared Fogle for his crimes. Would you not call this poor journalism?

          The difference here is that the journalist is actually Jeffery Epstein with a far worse record and is the last person who should be lecturing him.

          China is taking advantage of the free press of it's foreign nations and using it against us. Because they know no matter how hypocritical their statements may be their own citizens will never know that as their media is controlled by the state and as long as their citizens don't revolt they stay in power which is all that matters to them.

          Australia should be criticized for it's war crimes. But it should also be wary about any criticism coming from a foreign nation using it to further their political agenda.

          • mychips on 12/12/2020 - 20:35
            +3

            @baskinghobo:

            Like I already said you don't lecture a foreign nation right after posting fake images deliberately meant to stir the pot.

            No-one is claiming that the images were photos but the contents weren't misleading one bit.

            The actual events did occur, SAS troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood (not the fog of war) and this killing included children.

            You're more than welcome to look at the real photo taken from a video of a real killing done by a SAS troop.

            https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-16/video-shows-afghan-ma…

            China is taking advantage of the free press of it's foreign nations and using it against us. Because they know no matter how hypocritical their statements may be their own citizens will never know that as their media is controlled by the state and as long as their citizens don't revolt they stay in power which is all that matters to them.

            You're using whataboutism, it doesn't matter if China is bad on human rights - their stance wasn't exactly against facts. You say their people aren't informed but in light of recent elections and the fact that ~50% of US citizens believe in alternative facts from Trump, you can hardly say that people in Western countries are truly "informed". There are dumb people in every country, I am certain that there are plenty in China but I'm also certain there are plenty that know more about international affairs than you or I.

            It may be an inconvenient truth that Australia is far from perfect when it comes to human rights, but that is a fact.

            Australia should be criticized for it's war crimes. But it should also be wary about any criticism coming from a foreign nation using it to further their political agenda.

            The only thing you got right in your comment is that Australia should be criticised for its war crimes, as much as China does for human rights abuse but labeling their criticism just exposes our own hypocrisy.

            • baskinghobo on 12/12/2020 - 22:11
              -1

              @mychips: So your saying photoshopped images posted by government officials is fair game now because the contents of the images are true? Do you not think it's at all possible that the Chinese government posted those images because they knew a lot of it's citizens would repost it thinking it's real?

              And just because a large majority of US citizens are conspiracy nuts doesn't change the fact that they still have some form of free press there and if you don't think malicious countries with state controlled media (Russia and China) aren't taking advantage of this then I don't know what to tell you.

              I still stand by my stance that Australia should be wary about any criticism of it's war crimes coming from a foreign nation with a political agenda because the reality of politics is if you accept any criticism it is perceived as weakness and we cannot afford to appear weak in a dispute like this especially when they are clearly the aggressors just because it's the most moral thing to do, that's not how geopolitics works. Perception is everything and if we are going to accept their criticism every time they point out our countries flaws we might as well bend the knee because that's what it looks like on the international stage and it is falling right into their tactic of using divisive politics to bully their neighbors into being more submissive towards unfair trade agreements and other policies that largely benefits only one side and would result in the everyday normal Aussie getting the shaft for something they had nothing to do with.

              • mychips on 12/12/2020 - 23:01
                +1

                @baskinghobo:

                I still stand by my stance that Australia should be wary about any criticism of it's war crimes coming from a foreign nation with a political agenda

                You are being ignorant if you think Australia is all about ideals. All countries have a geopolitical agenda.

                Eg. the Iraq/Afghanistan invasion was not for defensive in nature nor for humanitarian reasons, that was just propaganda. The real reason was oil, arm sales and control.

                Do you not think it's at all possible that the Chinese government posted those images because they knew a lot of it's citizens would repost it thinking it's real?

                Australian SAS soldiers did kill innocent civilians, this is a fact.

                Although not a photo, that image was not misleading one bit as it never claimed to be a photo of the actual event but rather shining light on the fact that SAS soldiers killed poor little Afghan children in cold blood.

                It's not that complicated, surely you understand the difference.

                .. bully their neighbors into being submissive in trade agreements and other policies and would just result in the everyday normal Aussie getting shafted for their own benefit.

                Like how we wiretapped East Timor's presidential office to abuse their negotiating position secure oil rights for an Australian company at a cheaper price?

                • baskinghobo on 13/12/2020 - 01:37
                  -1

                  @mychips: Of course all countries have a political agenda. You didn't really answer any of the substance of my question which was that why should we accept criticism from China for our war crimes thereby making us look weak on the international stage and giving them the leg up in this dispute when they have clearly been the aggressors in this dispute and are using this opportunity to bully us into submission. Just because Australia may have done similar things in the past with the Iraq/Afghanistan invasion or wiretapping of East Timor's presidential office doesn't mean we should succumb to China in this situation.

                  Also if you don't believe that a large majority of Chinese citizens thought those images were real then that is where we fundamentally disagree.

                  Since you like to keep using the whataboutism card every time I criticize something about China I'll tell you why I have far more concern about China than any other country. I am aware that the US has a terrible human rights record as well. The concern from me isn't just about my opinion of China having a worse human rights record in modern times.

                  My concern is that the Chinese are far better at the geopolitical game compared to their foreign counterparts and will have a major negative impact to countries around the globe if they continue to get their way. That is simply it.

                  Western democracies abide by the WTO. China completely disrespects it with it's ip theft, currency manipulation, state funding of corporations to price out their foreign competitors, banning of foreign corporations so their own can succeed etc. They are profiting billions of the backs of western corporations by creating an uneven playing field.

                  China uses the free press of western democracies to destabilize and influence their elections. Western democracies cannot do the same thing nearly as effectively as Chinese media is controlled by the state.

                  Their authoritarian model is clearly giving them the greater edge in capitalism/democracy and unless we unite and defend ourselves China will either dominate us economically or we will have a similar authoritarian model to China ourselves.

                  • petry on 13/12/2020 - 01:43

                    @baskinghobo: The US still abides by the WTO is completely fake statement - reveals this piece to be politically motivate yank drivel.

                    yanks have crippled the WTO quite deliberately because they don't like rules..

                    • baskinghobo on 13/12/2020 - 02:00
                      -1

                      @petry: Well that's true because they are a world superpower and world superpowers don't play by the rules so I edited my comment. They are still far better than the China though so my point still stands.

                      • petry on 13/12/2020 - 12:58

                        @baskinghobo: in your eyes - the yanks hate democracy - abandon their allies for money - hate black people hate indigenous people and the planet.

                        keep funding murdoch with your oz tax dollars and enjoy being part of the yank dollar world cuz oz has gone.

                      • mychips on 14/12/2020 - 20:47
                        +1

                        @baskinghobo:

                        Since you like to keep using the whataboutism card every time I criticize something about China I'll tell you why I have far more concern about China than any other country. I am aware that the US has a terrible human rights record as well. The concern from me isn't just about my opinion of China having a worse human rights record in modern times.

                        My concern is that the Chinese are far better at the geopolitical game compared to their foreign counterparts and will have a major negative impact to countries around the globe if they continue to get their way. That is simply it.

                        Read the economic hitman. The USA is the OG of the game that China is playing. They're scared because China is outplaying them at their own game.

                        Their authoritarian model is clearly giving them the greater edge in capitalism/democracy and unless we unite and defend ourselves China will either dominate us economically or we will have a similar authoritarian model to China ourselves.

                        Australia is pretty good at exploiting poorer countries like East Timor.

                        Well that's true because they are a world superpower and world superpowers don't play by the rules so I edited my comment. They are still far better than the China though so my point still stands.

                        China is also a superpower and "superpowers don't play by the rules". I don't support China nor the CCP, I'm just merely pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of this whole media beat up about a political image.

                        • baskinghobo on 16/12/2020 - 15:08

                          @mychips: The difference is China has state control of all the companies in their country and that gives them a scary amount of power to use corporate espionage/sabotage/bullying tactics/extortion etc over traditional western companies to gain an economic advantage for China and China only.

                          This is a big difference from the usual way western corporations function where instead of a few multinational corporations having monopolized an industry, you have the entire industry and even the government itself in on it with their trade tariffs and the CCP actually has a long term plan to attain power instead of just doing whatever maximizes profits for the next quarter. It will lead to a fundamental shift in our political/economic system where we will be forced to kowtow to China whenever we have a conflict (even if they are the aggressors) in fear of biting the hand that feeds us cementing them further power or following an authoritarian model ourselves to combat it if we don't unite which means goodbye democracy.

                          To simplify, I am afraid of their authoritarian system itself giving them enormous power over global trade if things head the way they are, I am aware that history has shown world powers don't play by the rules. But just because China is a world power now and is not playing by the rules doesn't mean we should just be like "whatever world powers gonna world power" because our fear draws from the fact that China has found a loophole for a lack of a better word to dominate global politics/trade and it is a very real concern we should be afraid of.

                          If we had something like the EU for free trade that didn't bend over so easily every time China is found to be violating the rules because we don't want to damage the status quo with China, we wouldn't have further exacerbated the problem.

                          • mychips on 16/12/2020 - 22:20
                            +1

                            @baskinghobo:

                            To simplify, I am afraid of their authoritarian system itself giving them enormous power over global trade if things head the way they are, I am aware that history has shown world powers don't play by the rules.

                            I agree that it is not ideal for China to have too much power as balance helps keeps peace in the world. In saying that, I don't think China won't be disappearing anytime soon so we must be pragmatic in our dealings with them, which I think our government has not been doing well.

                            Megaphone diplomacy is not the way to go about things, it never has been and never will be. Only Trump and Scott Morisson use this marketing technique for diplomacy.

                            It has become apparent that there is a new type of cold war brewing between the USA and allies v China in an attempt by the USA to contain China. USA's attempt to destroy/damage China's darling tech companies (Huawei, Tiktok, WeChat) has forced China to get creative.

                            Australia is merely a pawn in the main fight (USA v China) and unfortunately, Scomo has decided to jump in the ring instead of spectating. We're so deep now that we're in our own trade war with China, arguably instigated first by us.

                        • baskinghobo on 16/12/2020 - 15:20

                          @mychips: Also going back to an earlier comment. If it was the reverse where an Australian politician posted a fake image of a bloodied Uyghur being harvested for organs I would be against it too because that is not how foreign diplomacy should be conducted, even if it is true. Although now that I think about it more deeply I do think Scomo should probably have kept his mouth shut since the allegations itself was true.

              • petry on 13/12/2020 - 13:00

                @baskinghobo: more yank garbage they have no free press anymore

                • baskinghobo on 16/12/2020 - 15:12
                  +1

                  @petry: If they have no free press at all then why is America so polarized? To me polarization proves that there is free press because authoritarian countries don't allow opposing views like the great firewall of China.

                  • petry on 17/12/2020 - 01:53

                    @baskinghobo: why are you asking me why your comment was wrong?

                    Your assumption that racist's, lunatics and hateful people read papers a lot is amusing though… and if it all comes from the same sources eg enoch whats the difference?

  • Wolfofwallstreet on 05/12/2020 - 16:38
    +1

    You white folk need to realize that most Asian Australian (including Chinese) who was either born or raised in Australia hate the CCP more than your regular white folks does especially the Vietnamese Australian due to the South China sea situation. That is why the overwhelming Vietnamese American voted for Trump in this year election because they strongly believe that Trump will go hard on China even though he is all talk. So don't think that just because they are Chinese descend mean they love the CCP. There is a reason why they left China and settle elsewhere.

    • sleet on 05/12/2020 - 17:39

      Agree with most of the sentiment. Not sure about the Trump comment. Coming from a Vietnamese background, I've yet to come across a Vietnamese immigrant that supports China (and the CCP) living in Australia.

      • Wolfofwallstreet on 05/12/2020 - 17:46
        +1

        Yes China and Vietnam have a war history for more than 1000 years. It go a long way back. Yes I'm also Vietnamese and I have relative living in America and the majority of them voted for Trump blindly because they wrongly believe that Trump will go hard on China.

        • [Deactivated] on 05/12/2020 - 18:07
          +1

          Trump did go hard on China with all those tariffs what else you want mate, start a physical war. No one sides with china if it actually happens, who would want. to ally with a nation that killed thousands if not millions of your citizens

          • Wolfofwallstreet on 08/12/2020 - 11:22
            +1

            @[Deactivated]: By now do you think Trump care about anyone beside himself? He rather killed millions of American than admit he is wrong about how he handled the pandemic.

            • [Deactivated] on 10/12/2020 - 02:34

              @Wolfofwallstreet: did he, lets forget about the management part, its like killing a victim and blame them instead of the murdere for their deaths. their being china virus.

              besides wtf is Biden gona do, sign a new deal with china to buy their vaccines

        • sleet on 08/12/2020 - 11:19

          After I read your comment, one of my friends actually forwarded me a video of the Vietnamese community in America, urging people to vote for Trump. Either they don't know Trump well or he is the 'lesser evil' compared to China. Messy politics.

    • [Deactivated] on 05/12/2020 - 18:06
      -1

      CCP children loves their parents and will do everything to defend the great nation whom their parents escaped from to avoid being killed by the ccp.

  • gimme on 05/12/2020 - 17:09
    +10

    Lol I call BS on 660 ozb ppl boycotting Chinese products. As if the cheapskates will pay significantly more for Aus made or even be able to find non Chinese equivalents in the first place. People on here salivate over $2 discounts

    • skido on 05/12/2020 - 18:22
      +1

      $0.01 charging cables 😫

    • popsiee on 05/12/2020 - 18:28
      -1

      People on here salivate over $2 discounts

      Cmon don't pick on the Pensioner's Club :)

    • outlander on 05/12/2020 - 18:55
      +1

      The people here probably do more damage to China by buying from them than not. Those loss leaders are not big money makers you realize

      • [Deactivated] on 06/12/2020 - 17:15
        +1

        time to stock up on those those loss leaders then

    • MrMoo on 07/12/2020 - 14:04
      +2

      The people here would gladly buy those budget products. But when they have to pay shipping which pays LOCAL drivers they get into a hissy fit. Lets go Chinese products and down with Australian Freight companies.

  • gstfree on 05/12/2020 - 17:26
    +2

    Cpuld anyone give me some education who elected Chinese Communist Party chief man? Who elected the government?

    All Chibese people i dealt here are nice, not invasive.

    Try to buy aussies made and support manufacturing in India, Vietnam, Indonesia and Thailand. This will give China some healthy competition.

    • ebayer007 on 05/12/2020 - 18:50

      Agree, we should do business where our values align. You don't hire someone where values/goals are not aligning. The same principle applies.

      • tonyjzx on 07/12/2020 - 14:58

        To answer this guys question…

        President Xi and Putin are peas in the same pod… they got elected first and then they realised they could be strongmen and consolidated their power so they could do routine sham elections.

        eg. put is PM, then he's president and then he shifts executive power from office to office so he has ulimate power

        The two guys before Xi were actually reasonably progressive and moving CHina towards more openness if not democracy.

        Xi represents a step back.

        • petry on 24/12/2020 - 14:23

          or china could see how america was moving to crush it, and every other country who it didn't like, and appointed a tough clever cookie to fight before it was gutted…

  • Tiredman on 05/12/2020 - 19:18
    +1

    All i know is i will be pretty busy if i have to boycott everything from all the governments i don't like.

  • Aerith-Waifu on 05/12/2020 - 23:19
    -1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7_34jUHsIM

    This is the real China. A bit different to what people thinks, right?

    So I have learned one thing here:

    That is Australia Government only came out about the killing after its been secretly documented and made into a new story. Had the story never came about Australia Government will never openly admit it. By they way, I don't see any Australia Soldiers been tried for war crime. Wait a min……….which other country did the same? US? China? Hmmmm…………………..

    By the way, Spanish flu which killed 70millions were never originated from Spain, it was originated from the USA. And USA has never admitted it came from the USA. Wait a min………………..have I heard this from somwhere…………hmmmmmmmmmmm………..

    Where Did The Spanish Flu Come From?
    Scientists still do not know for sure where the Spanish Flu originated, though theories point to France, China, Britain, or the United States, where the first known case was reported at Camp Funston in Fort Riley, Kansas, on March 11, 1918. <——————————-first case comes from Kansas, USA!

    • Munns on 06/12/2020 - 00:14
      +4

      The CCP 50 cent army wumao, alive and well on Ozbargain!

      • Aerith-Waifu on 06/12/2020 - 02:25
        +1

        Sure. Stop buying China made good. You will last………….let me know, a few weeks tops?

      • JavaTheDog on 07/12/2020 - 10:38
        +5

        Haha so funny to see people without the basic logic on OZB.

        Whenever people adding different opinions about China, they will be tagged as CCP bot! Wumao! 50 cents!

      • petry on 13/12/2020 - 01:45

        so facts are chinese and fiction is american policy as espoused by the aussie liberals since little johny… no wonder we are now an international joke…

    • maxyzee on 06/12/2020 - 00:53
      +4

      So why are you here in Perth when you believe the Han Chinese are a very caring a kind people as what that canned video shows. Which I have no doubt is real in terms of getting real reactions from people. MOST NOTABLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SOCIAL CREDIT SYSTEM THAT ENSURES POSITIVE BEHAVIOUR.

      You mentioned you wanted a to live in a place that wasn’t so hustle and bustle so why not move to hangzhou just outside of Shanghai. I’ve been there it was a nice place not as busy as a big city or better yet Turpan outside of Urumqi I haven’t been there in a while but that might a nice place as well.

      Also hmmm I’ve never seen any Chinese tried by the international court for war crimes. Hmmm maybe because China makes up one of the major powers in the UN Security Council. If I’m mistaken can you please point to me the instances in which China has been guilty of war crimes and the respective outlets that had reported on it.

      Also I don’t believe any body that has a good idea of history things thinks that the Spanish flu originated from Spain. It was only because at the time straight after WW1 it was the only country openly reporting on the pandemic that it became colloquially known as the Spanish flu. The most recent historical data does show that it originated from the USA, that was after decades of forensic research given the limitations of the technology at that time.

      • Aerith-Waifu on 06/12/2020 - 02:25
        -5

        You been reading too much story books, the real life is much much more different. I doubt you ever even lived in China so I am am certain you have no first hand experiences at all.

        • ghostdom on 06/12/2020 - 02:33
          +2

          I find it is funny that western people who never been to China and just believes Chinese are brain washed by government.

          Well, Being Chinese living in overseas, we think at least we have a better whole picture and close to the truth.

          Evenmore, I think western medias have so succeed brainwashed their people about China.

          • justwii on 06/12/2020 - 14:19
            +5

            @ghostdom: You don't need to have lived in China before to know whats going on there. I have met Chinese colleagues who came from China and I also had Chinese neighbours. Once said something bad about CCP, almost got me into a fight!

            • unfinishedsentenc on 07/12/2020 - 14:19

              @justwii: Maybe learn to keep your mouth shut then.

              • justwii on 07/12/2020 - 14:29
                +1

                @unfinishedsentenc: Victim blaming? So cool.

                • unfinishedsentenc on 07/12/2020 - 15:39
                  +1

                  @justwii: I don't know why you would go up to a Chinese person and start badmouthing the CCP lol.

                  • justwii on 07/12/2020 - 16:24

                    @unfinishedsentenc: No one in their right mind would do that in China, but here we are on the Australia soil, I would reasonably assume immigrants share the same values we believe as they "escaped' from their former countries and vowed to be loyal to Australia? Lesson learnt, so damn many infiltrations and spies.

                    • unfinishedsentenc on 08/12/2020 - 12:46
                      -1

                      @justwii: Escaped? China isn't the same as North Korea mate - citizens are free to come and leave as they please. If they choose to come to Australia it could be due to a multitude of reasons, maybe they just chose Australia as life in China is very fast paced and they just want a chill life for their kids. They are also allowed to keep their values and beliefs - we keep criticising them for controlling their citizens' thought but why are you now doing the exact same thing and not letting them have their own opinions?

                      Every person that has a view that contrasts yours is a spy that infiltrated Australia. Got it.

                      • justwii on 08/12/2020 - 20:30

                        @unfinishedsentenc: Say that to CCP supporters. It was them who did not allow me to say bad things about CCP. Australian values are about freedom, which is something you don't have under CCP control. Simple logic: you support CCP, you are against freedom; you embrace freedom, you don't support CCP, its just that simple. So what are you doing here if you do not share the same Australian values? That's exactly the problem in China: Tibet, Xinjiang, Taiwan, Hong Kong all resisting CCP control, because they do not share the same values!

            • petry on 20/12/2020 - 13:09

              @justwii: unlike parking your car in a carpark at christmas in oz without a word being said…

        • maxyzee on 06/12/2020 - 09:10
          +1

          If you haven’t read already I was actually born in China. I’m sure you yourself haven’t been Xingjiang and seen the level of surveillance there. I have relatives that are internment camps as we speak I for now cannot ever go back to China. When I used go back I used to go for months at a time.

          Different regions have different levels of security and surveillance so being in Shanghai isn’t the same as being in Inner Mongolia. So for anyone that hasn’t been to China seeing how developed and free one region is isn’t representative of the rest of the country.

          Why did you move to Perth? What’s so good about Australia as compared to China? Is there something about China and the CCP that wasn’t so good that caused you to move?

          • ass3ts on 06/12/2020 - 13:36
            +1

            @maxyzee: Because a lot of people enjoy the higher standard of living, freedom, and government support of their adopted nation but defend the other.

          • CalmLemons on 06/12/2020 - 19:26
            +6

            @maxyzee: Hi Maxyzee,

            It's obvious you and aerith both have different opinions based on your experiences and perspectives.

            I acknowledge that you have a vested interest in this topic due to the poor actions of the CCP as you have relatives in internment camps and I emphasise with you and highly agree that it is an extremely terrible thing to happen/be happening.

            My parents moved to Australia decades ago as back then China was in a much worse position than it was now. My family suffered greatly during the Cultural Revolution and the ongoing stabilisaton process (not sure what you would term it to be honest) to the point where China is now. However I have learnt hurling abuse (I'm not saying you guys are) or grandstanding individual opinions often results in a successful or beneficial outcome or a productive one.

            You both have anecdotal and biased viewpoints. We all do. China is far from a perfect place. Both of what you say are true. There are good places in China, and there are places like in Xinjiang where there are people being held against their will.

            Neither of you, however, would have the authority to broadly label an entire nation of people, be it Han, or a country as a whole. Neither of you could guarantee that every individual holds a certain view or do you have the right to label them due to the actions of an un-elected totalitarian government. Labels are convenient to lay blame. It is not wise to take something overall good, and obsess over one negative aspect.

            Find ways that will create solutions, rather than stating your opinions and perspectives and saying who is right or wrong.

            edit: will finish this post later.

            • maxyzee on 06/12/2020 - 23:13
              +1

              @CalmLemons: Yes I understand from what you say not to take it out on the people rather make price and come to an agreement. I get it, Daryl Davis for instance didn’t get over 200 clan members to hand in their robes by yelling at them. He befriended them and hung out with them for years before they had the epiphany moment. Unfortunately that sort of thing isn’t really feasible on grand scale.

              But one thing that I will point out is while aerith has a certain viewpoint which seems to stem from a Chinese education and social upbringing. The West stole our land, they’re not to be trusted, absolute loyalty to country, Japan was the most evil empire ever, one China etc. does that make his view just as valid as mine? There’s 2 sides to every story? As Trump said about the Charlottesville incident ‘there were good people on both sides’?

      • CalmLemons on 06/12/2020 - 19:05
        +7

        Aerith-Waifu's username checks out, most like not an overnight 50 cent account.

        I think we need to accept that people have perspectives and opinions based on their experiences culture and upbringing.

        I find many of the (this is fairly anecdotal) chinese people who have spent more time in chinese culture will without doubt have a different opinion and viewpoint.
        I'm not sure if it's a language barrier, or the type of education format, but when it comes to critical arguments the posts demand a bit more refinement and perhaps a more rounded point.

        That said, no one ever convinced another person in changing their mind/belief/opinion by arguing or yelling at the other person. My throwing our opinions at other people and then accusing them of being ccp agents is not going achieve much at all. If a person has a belief built over 20 years, it would be extremely futile in thinking we can change them to adopt out perspective/opinion/beliefs via arguing and throwing out abuse.

        Our opinions are our own, and we should look at more useful ways to influence people. This very thread serves no purpose other than to provide an opportunity to vilify, display some hubris and would most likely be extremely counterproductive to any improvement in the current situation.

      • petry on 13/12/2020 - 01:48

        its un-australian telling everyone with a brain to leave oz - yank invaders really don't tolerate democratic processes very well - the more stupid australia gets the easier it is to rob heh rupert?

    • justwii on 06/12/2020 - 14:11
      +2

      OMG, someone please show this guy those vids or pics of Hitler receiving flowers from smiling children, he will believe Hitler is a saint!

      If this is not a good proof of brainwashing I don't know what is.

    • [Deactivated] on 06/12/2020 - 17:17

      showing ccp propaganda, right that will prove the whole world wrong about their views on china.

      Since when has china allowed a negative press or image sent online.

  • shortgum on 06/12/2020 - 00:11
    +1

    https://imgur.com/a/Kldfxcr

    Yes, look for these australia custom made pint glasses for a cold one as well, if any?

  • mike001 on 06/12/2020 - 00:15
    +5

    We can do without Chinese crap. I cannot think of one quality Chinese-owned product, even those they stole copyright to. Crap fridges, crap TVs, crap phones, even crappier cars. Buy Chinese, buy twice.

    • ghostdom on 06/12/2020 - 02:40
      -2

      well, you have no ideas about what are you going to give away, are you?

      35% of your export business,

      Also pretty much most things you live with. phone, clothes, shoes, furniture, computers, even building material, which only take 3-5% of Chinese global export. Will that be hurt?

      What is more funny, your older brother Canada just spoke with China about they can sell wines and coal to China if they need to cover up the missing stock from Australia.

      What a Joke brotherhood from five eyes.

Login or Join to leave a comment
Login Join