Will You Be Trying to Boycott Chinese Products?

maxyzee on 01/12/2020 - 20:00
Last edited 02/12/2020 - 09:00

Hey All

With the diplomatic row between Aus and China over the last few weeks culminating in the tweets from the Chinese embassy, there’s been an obvious rising of tensions between the countries.

Given how ridiculous and ironic china’s position is, to have the gall to call out Australia for human rights abuses do you feel more strongly about trying to avoid products manufactured in China?

The report itself was Australia holding itself to account, it could have easily been covered up never to see the light of day but Australia relative to the rest of the world is one with more integrity than that.

I don’t see how China could ever lecture a country like Australia when it comes to war crimes/human rights abuse given their long track record, most notably the persecution of the Uighur population as well numerous other violations ranging from censorship to imprisonment/torture of dissidents. I don’t see China holding itself to account for those crimes anytime soon.

I like the idea in theory of boycotting Chinese made products but the reality is unfortunately from my perspective is that the supply chain is far too integrated in China to be able to boycott anything. Hopefully western businesses are more incentivised now to move their supply chains away from China but that will a long and slow process over many years possibly decades.

So TLDR will you be trying to avoid Chinese made products or are we in a situation that these products are so pervasive with our current lifestyles there’s nothing we can really do at the moment.

Edit: Poll added. Good suggestion.

Poll Options

  • 839
    Yes I will and do avoid Chinese made products wherever I can
  • 34
    Yes but only if the equivalent product is the same price and quality
  • 333
    Would like to avoid but can’t because of limited choice/availability/price
  • 239
    Don’t care whatever’s cheapest
  • 133
    Don’t care at all and would still buy Chinese made even if there was a choice of equivalent produc
General Discussion

Comments

    • Peon on 04/12/2020 - 14:14

      That will hurt the feelings of 1.3 billion Chinese people. 🙁

      • tonyjzx on 04/12/2020 - 18:04

        They dont care. Its an internal issue to them.

        They also have a huge contingent of supporters from the Islam world who dont have a problem with it.

        FURTHER they have a legion of western shills who will dance for that CHinese money.

        see Le Bron James who defends their stance.

        And this is the difference. China can exterminate their own citizens… and they have, remember 1989 and the West cant do anything.

        But they havent as yet killed foreign nationals as an occupying force.

        Australia has.

    • xiaoli on 04/12/2020 - 18:14
      +1

      There is a huge difference because the SAS actually did kill unarmed civilians.

    • Dr Prepper on 07/12/2020 - 11:51

      I think you will find the past tense for twetted is twat.

  • AustriaBargain on 04/12/2020 - 12:57
    +2

    I guess in wine exporting families there would be a sour mood at xmas and people would go out of their way to not buy gifts from China. Seems kinda silly though. You can't control what China does and you can't control where stuff is made. You should accept things that you have absolutely no ability to control. If there was something you could do about it then you should be feeling anxious until you get it done. But what can you do? Even collectively the wine industry probably couldn't influence China, they could influence our own government though. In any case, I'm glad my family isn't invested in the exportation of fine wine to China. Or maybe I shouldn't be glad for that, I bet those families are doing better than the average family in Australia. So maybe I'm not glad I'm not in these winemakers shoes right now.

    • CalmLemons on 04/12/2020 - 13:52
      +1

      Stoicism.

    • kramkramkram on 04/12/2020 - 16:00

      The wine exporting families will be alright. The workers they employ and everyone in the middle (cargo, delivery, containers) will be affected.

  • [Deactivated] on 04/12/2020 - 13:37
    +1

    These sorts of polls really only need two options. Yes or No. Bit like for surround sound you only really need two good speakers or cpus only need 2 cores or car engines only need 2 cylinders and they all will function just as well… 相信我. I wonder when people and manufacturers are going to come to this realisation… 再见

  • qwijibo on 04/12/2020 - 15:25
    +1

    If I got rid of everything of Chinese origin in my life, I'd have no tech, no furniture, no clothes and no home (rent from a Chinese landlord through a Chinese owned real estate agent).

    Edit: I'd have shoes though - my boots are Australian made.

    • tonyjzx on 04/12/2020 - 18:27

      *Posted from an Iphone

      /s

  • Cameronol on 04/12/2020 - 15:34
    +3

    Since the bushfires in the 19/20 summer season, then Covid-19, I've been trying to purchase more Australian products anyway.
    China being China hasn't really affected my decisions.

  • tonyjzx on 04/12/2020 - 15:36
    +1

    I notice that china is generally boycotting discretionary spending items… they boycotted barley (which they mainly use to make beer) and now wine.

    Its petty but they dont take that much from australia and what they take isnt that necessary…. besides the coal and stuff that comes from Gina Reinhart…

    ON THE OTHER HAND…. there's a huge variety of goods we take in from china inc. 99% of the phones and consumer electronics and manufactured goods.

    A lot of our raw materials for our food comes from China.

    SO its a very uneven relationship. Without goods from China our economy stops.

    China without goods from Australia can get wine from US Can FR and the rest of the world???

    • [Deactivated] on 04/12/2020 - 21:28

      I don't think a trade war is a great idea. I'm careful about what I buy from China because if it's a foreign company that has decided to manufacture there they often don't have a good grasp on quality control. Large Chinese companies that do their own manufacture can make good quality products. I'm also suspicious of slave labour for low cost clothing.

      However I don't agree with the assertion that the nature of goods imported is more important than that of those that are exported. Gadgets, consumer electronics and bits of plastic you don't really need are hardly critical. And if you look at things like whitegoods and critical appliances many alternatives exist. Iron ore and food are actually a little bit more important. And despite some of the innacurate claims in this thread there is no alternative supplier for the volume Australia supplies. China knows this. Our recent GDP figures would suggest this is more of an internal PR exercise in China and the whole thing is a storm in a teacup.

    • lplau on 05/12/2020 - 01:00

      People don't understand that almost everything electronic has Chinese rare earth metals in it.
      China accounts for over 95 percent of the world's production of rare earths which is used within the manufacturing of electronic components.

      • [Deactivated] on 05/12/2020 - 10:07

        But people also don't understand almost everything electronic out of China has components with US or European IP in them which are not made in China. https://fortune.com/2020/08/27/china-semiconductor-chip-impo…

        From materials only pov from memory China has good supply of rare earth magnets for brushless DC motors but still import high grade silicon and dopants for semiconductor manufacturing.

        Trade disputes affect all parties negatively. The whole point of trade is countries can focus on what they do best.

    • FW190 on 05/12/2020 - 12:13

      China without goods from Australia can get wine from US Can FR and the rest of the world???

      I would say China doesn't care much about our wine or baby formulas, as you have said, they can be sourced elsewhere.

      Where we could hurt them is our iron ore, which is less easier for them to source elsewhere.

      From what I have read, Brazil's mining areas has been hit hard by the virus and production has more or less grinded to a halt, and not to mention they are also having diplomatic spats with China as well.

      Not sure how badly that would hurt ourselves, at least from what friends who works in the mining industry has told me, besides China, plenty of other countries are also lining up to buy our stuff and there ain't enough to go around, but with China, they will usually buy the lot and pay top dollars for it, so they are the preferred customer.

      But of course, if ScoMo try anything on that front, Twiggy Forrest will just engineer another change of leadership.

  • Willco88 on 04/12/2020 - 15:45
    -2

    Don't even care more important things to worry about like public education system

  • CammKelly on 04/12/2020 - 15:53
    +1

    I think its impossible to be principled in this, but I think its worth minimising where you can. Regardless of the current trade dispute, China is a shit country anyway, and anything I can do to feed the machine less (as miniscule as my actions are), is worth it.

  • kramkramkram on 04/12/2020 - 15:57
    +3

    I wonder when they will ban or put tariffs on infant formula. I still see my local woollies being raided for infant formula in the morning.

  • vivekannd on 04/12/2020 - 16:08
    +2

    Lots of anti Australian posters here just gives our intelligence agencies a handle on whom to watch if things get hot with China.

    • tonyjzx on 04/12/2020 - 18:42
      +1

      Thats something you expect from the CCP.

      What next? A social score for Australians?

      I wonder how come your sympathies dont extend to 39 dead at the hands of "Diggers".

  • buckethat on 04/12/2020 - 16:19
    +1

    Hmm.. we can keep going back and forth with China, putting tariffs on imports from China etc.. but in the end, we'll get the shitty end of the stick.

  • jkcat on 04/12/2020 - 16:36

    Honestly, those really suffered from the trade disputes must've been working their arses off to save their arses.
    Doubt if they've got any spare time to vote & post here (me not one of them).

  • rav_stk on 04/12/2020 - 16:53
    +4

    I am already avoiding Chinese products as much as possible. China has acted in a very lowly and immature manner by tweeting the pic. People should stop buying from Chinese websites like Ali express etc to avoid feeding the Chinese ego! Time to make your contribution by buying local and support your own country. If tomorrow it affects your standard of living you have only yourself to blame for the choices you make now.

    • tonyjzx on 04/12/2020 - 17:53
      +4

      The question I would pose is which is the bigger incident worth international attention?

      A mid level govt. minister retweeting a pic from a nobody.

      Or

      39 dead Afghans killed by an occupying force?

      Is poor messaging albeit hypocritical vs. 39 acts of atrocity/war crime?

      • TightAl on 04/12/2020 - 18:38
        +1

        Afghans lives aren't worth anything compared to the made up lives of Uyghurs :)
        Perhaps China should take a note out of the Great US of A's playbook, bomb them to dust and send some Aussies into shoot some innocent folk.

        • tonyjzx on 04/12/2020 - 18:44
          +1

          lives of your own citizens inside your own borders has never meant much

          no one cared about 6 mil. jews inside German territory in WW2

          there's an old saying… china could kill a 6 million people and they would still have billions left.

      • Halc on 04/12/2020 - 20:34

        I particularly enjoyed the media's angle on it emphasising ''fabricated tweet.'' No shit obviously the photo isn't real it's a political cartoon made by an attention seeking nobody.

  • mirz on 04/12/2020 - 18:11
    +4

    You are on ozbargain and want to talk about boycotting Chinese made products, lol.

    April fool landed almost 5 months early this time :-)

    • tonyjzx on 04/12/2020 - 18:14
      +1

      Yeah boycotting this stuff means you're well onto your way to saving for your house deposit!

      I think its a great step. Less consumerism, less waste.

      Ozbargain SHOULD be leading with a "country of origin" for every damn deal.

      Make it front and centre.

      Make an informed choice.

  • mirz on 04/12/2020 - 18:18
    +4

    This whole drama was started by Scomo being US puppet, without using his own brain.

    Not sure why he is trying to pretend like a victim now. You started without think so now come up with a diplomatic solution. But guess what, he never thought about beforehand.

    This is a perfect case of total failure in international diplomacy and our foreign policy.

    Murdoch media is beating up drums to create this anti-China rhetoric 24/7. I feel for businesses loosing trade due this incompetency of our national govt.

    • tonyjzx on 04/12/2020 - 18:33
      +2

      This isnt morrison's war.

      I do blame his handling about this from day one.

      Why are you using the AFP to arrest journalists from covering this?

      Why are you not removing awards and medals from the unit involved in this?

      Why is the west from the EU NZ Can outraged at the MESSAGE and not the killing? Especially funny is France condeming political imaging! Charlie Hebdo doesnt exist to them I guess?

      I think its because people look at Afghans as aliens. I work for companies that have people from Iraq Syria Iran and yes.. Afghans.

      Australian "Diggers" are killing these people. You should be outraged at that.

      You should be ashamed at China and Russia having to call you out on your bullshit.

      • DoctorCalculon on 04/12/2020 - 19:12
        +8

        You should be ashamed at China and Russia having to call you out on your bullshit.

        CCP/China is running multiple concentration camps for Uyghurs (who are an ethnic minority within the Xinjiang province) where tens of thousands of Uyghurs are systematically abducted, forced to be brainwashed, brutalised, tortured, raped and killed on a daily basis.

        Yet CCP/China has the audacity to point fingers at a small number of bad apples who have committed war crimes during their overseas service. They are currently being bought to justice for the most parts by the ADF chiefs. Can you say the same about China? Where is justice for the Uyghurs who are the subject of CCP-sponsored terrorism? What about for Hong Kong citizens?

        I proudly stand with Australia. CCP/China can GTFO of this planet. I hope they receive the exact same treatment they are dishing out to the Uyghurs.

        China, like Israel and Saudi Arabia have zero rights to criticise other countries about human rights abuses. F***ing hypocrites, the bunch of them!

        • tonyjzx on 04/12/2020 - 19:21
          +1

          There is no avenue for the West to pressurise China on the Uyghurs.

          My stance is the China is the modern day Nazi and there are concentration camps running right now that no one can do anything about.

          Accept it or prove me wrong.

          Be that as it may that has no bearing on the 39 killed by "Diggers" in a war China has no involvement in.

        • Wazzza on 05/12/2020 - 03:21

          Edit: nvm

  • Orico on 04/12/2020 - 18:59

    Can someone please enlighten me on how a dumb c*** from the Sutherland Shire who has a frightening human rights record has any clue about international diplomacy? I've never met anyone from the Sutherland Shire who was interested in getting along with people who weren't white or Uncle Toms or Aunty Karen.

    Acts like a hero, trashes China instead of keeping his trap shut and then looks like a scared (profanity) when confronted by Muhammad Bin Salman.

    • tonyjzx on 04/12/2020 - 19:14
      +1

      morrison is a straight garbage happy clappy hillsong prosperity church clown who shouldnt be running anyhting much but his local church group let alone CEO of tourism australia.

      What should concern you is he's 60 points preferred over over albanese who is sub 30.

      He'll get another term the way this is going.

      Most of the LNP voters like that he's "brave".

  • xiaoli on 04/12/2020 - 19:00
    +7

    This is not about Australia and China. This is all about the struggle for supremacy between a declining empire and a rising superpower.

    Why was Australian soldiers put in the situation that they had the opportunity to commit such crimes? Because we have to support the United States in their phony wars against poor people.

    China is too big and strong to bomb, so the weapon against them was economic and propaganda. The US tries to destroy successful Chinese companies and are failing despite lobbying and sanctions. Then it was the narrative of China persecuting minorities. Years ago it was Tibetans, but the Uyghurs are the latest craze. Recently they tried with Mongolians but it did not gain a lot of traction. The US used to bomb Uyghur militant training camps in Afghanistan, but just a month a go they removed them from the list of terrorist organizations, so I guess we can expect more Uyghur propaganda in the future.

    If China is imprisoning one million people, like 20% of the local population, where are the definitive evidence of the detention facilities? Public domain images of high schools don't count. Where are the refugees? Resistance? Are 1 million Uyghurs really so docile like lambs? Why can't they find more than a dozen people to testify to these alleged atrocities? Why is intermarriage between Uyghurs and Han labelled "genocide" by Western journalists in interracial marriages themselves?

    If China hates Muslims so much, why are there numerous Halal restaurants in every neighbourhood in Beijing? If China wants to destroy cultures, why are multiple native languages printed on their bank notes?

    The US and its allies have been murdering literally millions of Muslims in the Middle East. "Fabricated images" have been used to mock the religion of billions as well as asylum seekers, all in the name of freedom of speech. Yet I am suppose to believe these people give a (profanity) about the lives of Chinese Muslims. People like these are the defenders of human rights and freedom? (profanity) off.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-lists/the-kil…

    I can hear lots of people talk about "the rule of law". Lets not forget the government sets the laws and they have been weaponising them against whistleblowers like Snowden and Assange. No one seems to care about Dave McBride, who is still facing national security charges for exposing the current scandal. I guess uproar against some Chinese tweet is a perfect distraction.

    Australia tries to play the game but can't stand the heat. Please leave the superpowers alone. I am still gonna buy the best products and the best price, regardless of where it is made.

    • Orico on 04/12/2020 - 19:07
      +1

      If China hates Muslims so much, why are there numerous Halal restaurants in every neighbourhood in Beijing? If China wants to destroy cultures, why are multiple native languages printed on their bank notes?

      For the muslim tourists. Same goes for every other major capital city in the world.
      China hates muslims and Islam more than they hate the US. Imagine if Islam crept into the general community. CCP would lose their people support.

      • petry on 05/12/2020 - 01:22

        imagine - sums up much that is written about china these days - imaginary…

    • maxyzee on 04/12/2020 - 19:14

      So these internment camps don’t exist hey. So my aunt, cousin and other extended relatives have just gone MIA for no reason. They just decided to wonder of into tomorrow never to be seen or heard from again for fun.

      This is the power of propaganda people and just like the Trump voters that think the election was stolen we have hear a volunteer for the CCP. Except on this scale instead of 5 years of propaganda from the Trump campaign this decades of propaganda embedded right into the education system.

      The Han Chinese are thought from the start that the CCP has ultimate rule and is absolutely flawless. The west is out to get you since, the west has stolen all your treasures from first opium war.

      I hope for your sake xiaoli that you keep consistent with your mouthpeicing for the CCP cos if you stray one bit you know yourself what will happen to your family back in China.

      • tonyjzx on 04/12/2020 - 19:18

        At the end what can you honestly do? If you're a Chinese citizen and you are against the CCP then what is your avenue of protest?

        They have the guns the police the standing army the nukes.

        They can dissappear your family at a whim.

        Hong Kong is lost.

        • maxyzee on 04/12/2020 - 19:33
          +2

          No thankfully I’m not a Chinese citizen. I’ve been in Australia for the past 30 years, came here before I started school so for all intensive purposes a I’m true blue Aussie right through to the paperwork. No connection to China whatsoever other than my birthplace on my passport. Hell I don’t even look Asian cos of my heritage.

          Unfortunately I still have much of my family stuck in Xingjiang and yeah there’s pretty much nothing that I can do.

        • xiaoli on 04/12/2020 - 22:53
          +2

          Hong Kong was never the wests to lose.

          I can live outside of China without worrying about Communism being shoved down our throats.

          Try saying no to American democracy and see how that works out

          • maxyzee on 05/12/2020 - 14:30
            -4

            @xiaoli: HongKong was a relatively free country, free from the oppression of the CCP because it was under democratic British rule. There were quite a few prominent HongKong residents that fled to Britain at the point transition and the Mainland were greatly offended by this. My guess is now the Chinese lambasts these individuals as criminals or whatever to deflect away from the fact these people wanted to live away from an oppressive regime. I guess you’re half right in that it’s been technically China’s since 1997 so they can technically do whatever the hell they want and full steam ahead on 1 China regime.

            Which country since Iraq has been invaded by the US because they said no to democracy. Syria? Since the people demanded their despot leader leave office and Russia providing firepower to the despotic regime the US just should have left it alone?

            I wonder what would happen if more countries started recognising Taiwan as its own independent state and started supporting reforms to ensure its sovereignty.

            • xiaoli on 06/12/2020 - 12:32
              +3

              @maxyzee: First of all Hong Kong was not a country, but a city. Used by the British to export opium into China.

              Secondly: "The Governor was the head of government and appointed by the British monarch to serve as the representative of the Crown in the colony. Executive power was highly concentrated with the Governor, who himself appointed almost all members of the Legislative Council and Executive Council and also served as President of both chambers. The British government provided oversight for the colonial government; the Foreign Secretary formally approved any additions to the Legislative and Executive Councils and the Sovereign held sole authority to amend the Letters Patent and Royal Instructions."

              Very democratic.

      • xiaoli on 05/12/2020 - 07:13
        +2

        I have seen propaganda from all sides, and let me tell you the "Democratic West" are the masters at it.

        Look at what happened to Andrew Yang, the Asian American seeking to be the Democrat nominee for POTUS. Networks ordered their reporters not to interview him. They deliberately omitted his pictures from infographics, or put the photo of some other person there. They even photoshopped him to make him smaller when he was there.

        Of course the Democrats engineered a Biden win, at least they made damn sure he was their candidate. They may have not rigged the election, but it is not impossible. After all the Americans are experts at regime change. Just ask Gough Whitlam.

        Trust me, the Five Eyes knows more about your mouthpiecing than what the CCP knows about mine.

        • maxyzee on 05/12/2020 - 09:36

          Yeah propaganda exists everywhere some worse than others.

          Yeah it’s no real secret the DNC preferred Biden over Yang and Sanders and they may have engineered that to make sure Biden was the nominee. My speculation as to why this is, is because Biden is more centred where those candidates were too left (ie wanting reform in lobbying and Medicare for all etc.).

          You say you’ve seen propaganda from all sides can you elaborate on what you meant?

          • xiaoli on 06/12/2020 - 12:34

            @maxyzee: I am sure you have seen Chinese News? Pretty obvious propaganda a lot of the time. Some of the broadcasts still sounds North Korean, which is weird in this day and age.

            • maxyzee on 06/12/2020 - 12:48

              @xiaoli: Ah ok you mean the CCN channel? Any particular examples of how the propaganda works? How they cover not cover events?

              • xiaoli on 07/12/2020 - 12:34

                @maxyzee: Western propaganda is more subtle. They try to plant suggestions in peoples heads without actually saying it.

                Eg. In an article about Chinas covid vaccine program, it says:

                "Health experts question why China is using them on such a vast scale now that the outbreak is largely under control within its borders."

                So who are these vague health experts they are quoting? So why is Australia buying vaccines if covid is largely under control? Are people suppose to not be vaccinated when international travel resumes? And what idea are they trying to plant in your head?

                Anytime there is news about China, there are subtle statements like this that does Inception to the reader, that somehow everything China does has some element of evil.

                There is news of Japans probe returning asteroid samples, but almost no coverage of Chinas moon mission.

                Frankly, I am sick and tired of bullshit like this.

                • maxyzee on 07/12/2020 - 13:38

                  @xiaoli: Sorry I was asking about the Chinese propaganda. Are there examples of what you just mentioned but from the other side of the spectrum?

    • justwii on 04/12/2020 - 20:40
      +1

      Nonsense, as if CCP only started bullying Australia after the soldiers matter report published?

  • TheMindsetTraveller on 04/12/2020 - 19:15
    +1

    If the government wants to talk the talk and walk the walk, then STOP ALL exports of iron ore, gas and coal to China immediately.

    The only repercussion is that the government's reckless comments are screwing ordinary farmers, wine makers, lobster harvesters and so on.

    The miners can suck it up - they're worth hundreds of billions - and as the government has said to other affected industries, they should find new markets - as they said when barely farmers got screwed over - so the miners, go export to new markets.

  • striker5950 on 04/12/2020 - 19:43
    +1

    other 'cheap labour' Asian countries should cease this opportunity, they can be the next china, specially right now where everyone hates china and does not want to do business with them but have no other option. right now china has absolute authority over the market this needs to change, some good candidates are Vietnam and India (cheap labour) to take over and become world powers within the next 20 years if they follow in the foot steps of how china did it. this is good for the world market too, no one will be reliant on only china. india is up and coming but they need to ramp up, so is Vietnam.

    • Halc on 04/12/2020 - 20:21
      +5

      Seize*
      Cease means the opposite ;p

      Prior to covid bottom rung manufactuaring has already started shifting out of china to vietnam/india/bangladesh it's nothing new. China has been trying to restructure their economy towards service sector and higher end manufacturing. Australia has ridden the miningboom for decades and we need politicians with vision instead of those who spout sensationalist slogans to buy votes to secure prosperity for future generations. More substance and less of the 'how good is australia' BS

      • striker5950 on 04/12/2020 - 23:21

        yep typing error, thanks for the correction

    • xiaoli on 05/12/2020 - 07:15
      -1

      So its their turn to be exploited by the West for cheap products, then get called IP thieves when they start developing their own versions of said products?

    • aerona on 05/12/2020 - 13:57
      +1

      Vietnam has the same system as China but to a lesser evil extent. No hate on Vietnam. Beautiful country. But we should be supporting a few full democracy or republic

  • ghostdom on 04/12/2020 - 21:19
    +7

    let's all boycott ps5, they are made in China.

    please!!!!

    • ChipsChicky on 05/12/2020 - 01:14

      Apple too … Its made in China.

      • ebayer007 on 05/12/2020 - 18:34
        +1

        iPhone 12 planned to be made in India

    • Orico on 05/12/2020 - 01:28

      i thought it's from japan

  • life is suffering on 04/12/2020 - 22:07

    we need a similar movement like this - https://medium.com/khadi/khadi-a-movement-be61a7e4e97c
    I think Australian goods are superior and there are so many avenues to explore

  • ChipsChicky on 04/12/2020 - 22:22

    Hell yeah … Don't want Covid 20 in 2021.

    • lplau on 05/12/2020 - 00:56
      -3

      You should be careful, because each year 650k people die from respiratory diseases linked to seasonal influenza (The Common Flu) which is almost half of the current death toll of COVID19. Don't go out, you will die.

      • Ughhh on 05/12/2020 - 01:51

        Yes, it's not like you can get the flu and covid at the same time…. Wait

  • T-man on 04/12/2020 - 23:05
    -3

    I don’t buy anything from the chinese brands, they contains cocona virus, we don’t want another virus that the chinese government exported to the world and killing millions.

    • lplau on 05/12/2020 - 00:41
      +2

      Wait, when did Cocona become a virus? it was a pretty lovely south African fruit.
      Might want to get your story straight before the chinese government sue you for slander.

      Jokes aside though, Yes, coronavirus (COVID19) has killed a lot (~1.5m globally) however EACH YEAR approximately 650k people die from respiratory diseases linked to seasonal influenza (The Common Flu). So if you compare it to the death toll sustained over years of Influenza, then COVID19 is actually nothing.

      Coronavirus although was the source of the deaths, however I see politics as being the true killer.
      If politics wasn't around then everybody would have just shut down their borders and it wouldn't have spread that much.
      Australia wouldn't be in the crap if our leaders stood the hard ground and said "Screw politics, we care about our people, lets lock down down the boarders early.", look at NZ PM she did the right thing and stood by her decision which people criticized her from day 1, but look at where they have stayed for so long. Now they all love her and reelected her.

      This whole thread is talking about politics, it is true, politics can kill, it has a lot of collateral damage with businesses being killed off along the way, people's livelihoods being threatened. If you stop buying 'Made in China' then ultimately you are hurting their citizens which don't have anything to do with politics.
      Also if Australia boycott's Chinese products and manufacturing, do you think it would also benefit you? It would put quite a few Australian families in hardship because their living expenses would go up as the alternative is generally more expensive. So not only is politics harming the citizens of a foreign country it also inadvertently harms your every day citizens within Australia.

      If you don't believe me, go around your house and look at everything you have purchased and where it came from, then look at the equivalent item which is made in europe, australia, usa or any other country and compare the prices. Then you will realize what damage this stupid political battle will cause on your family.

    • petry on 05/12/2020 - 01:18

      american made which is why fauci still sits under whitehouse protections… reckon he'll be there all through biden as well… trump hates him but strangely doesn't fire his own Mengele…

  • ChipsChicky on 05/12/2020 - 01:16
    -1

    Pitty that we wana beat China by Trump Tactics … improve the quality, decrease the price and give tough time to China ,,, play a fair healthy competition ,,,, nah not your cup of tea.

      • ChipsChicky on 05/12/2020 - 11:08

        source ? or it never happened.

      • ATangk on 05/12/2020 - 13:18

        For every company moving out theres probably 5 moving in. Tesla's gigafactory in Shanghai.

        • [Deactivated] on 05/12/2020 - 17:53

          nah that's different, Tesla just sell shonky china made teslas to china unlike apple

    • D3HUN on 05/12/2020 - 10:30

      Are saying that China is playing a fair heathy competition?

      • ChipsChicky on 05/12/2020 - 11:09

        Low price, good quality … what else you want ?

        • Vita85 on 05/12/2020 - 12:06
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          Absolute nonsense. Low wages, poor working conditions and a devalued currency that other countries are supposed to "compete" with. And I laughed at "good quality". When the quality control is spearheaded by a reputable (usually foreign) brand sure, otherwise it's complete rubbish.

          • ChipsChicky on 05/12/2020 - 12:47

            @Vita85: Lolz … Thats why Trump was all over Huawei, because of low quality ?

            • justwii on 05/12/2020 - 13:52

              @ChipsChicky: Wow, been living in a cave? Security! Hello?

              • ChipsChicky on 05/12/2020 - 14:25
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                @justwii: Ya, when you can't compete, let's say it's Security. Those unable to answer why Trumps Picture pop-up if you search Idiot on google, told that Huawei is security threat and every one believed. Its called hitting below the belt.

                • Vita85 on 05/12/2020 - 15:31
                  +1

                  @ChipsChicky: Is that your opinion or CCP brainwashing talking? Soon you'll try and convince us that the ban on Google, YouTube and other search engines in China is justified.

                  • ChipsChicky on 05/12/2020 - 15:49
                    -1

                    @Vita85: Ban on these isn't justified same as ban on Huawei isn't justified.

            • Vita85 on 05/12/2020 - 15:34
              +1

              @ChipsChicky: Are you seriously comparing a commercial 5G network to the average consumer product?

              • petry on 05/12/2020 - 15:52

                @Vita85: he just agreed with you lol

                • ChipsChicky on 05/12/2020 - 16:21

                  @petry: Very funny of you.
                  I agreed conditionally, i ain't trying to win an argument but to have unbiased opinion, which seems to have passed miles above your brain.

                  • [Deactivated] on 05/12/2020 - 17:56

                    @ChipsChicky: personal attacks in a debate, trophies to you

              • ChipsChicky on 05/12/2020 - 15:53

                @Vita85: Well, the same guys who bombarded Iraq for Chemical Weapons and later said SORRY, we didn't find any, told us that there are security concerns from Huawei. How can one trust such sources ?

                • Vita85 on 05/12/2020 - 17:04
                  +3

                  @ChipsChicky: Compared to a government that has never admitted any wrongdoing and censors anything it doesn't like? What kind of unbiased opinion are you pushing? At least the photoshop skills have improved over the years. The early days were hilarious.

                  • ChipsChicky on 05/12/2020 - 17:26

                    @Vita85: Lolz … its a never ending debate … two wrongs don't make a right … If you did wrong and admitted, doesn’t give you privilege to do another wrong because you already said sorry for the previous one.

                • [Deactivated] on 05/12/2020 - 17:57

                  @ChipsChicky: how is Iraq your problem, want to steal their land as well eh just like Taiwan

                  • ChipsChicky on 05/12/2020 - 18:05
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                    @[Deactivated]: US stealing Iraq, China stealing Taiwan, India stealing Kashmir, none of them is your problem ? Are you human ?

                    • [Deactivated] on 05/12/2020 - 18:51

                      @ChipsChicky: another personal attack, great work, here's another trophy.

                      PS: don't join debating society, know your limits.

                      • ChipsChicky on 05/12/2020 - 19:08

                        @[Deactivated]: lolz … Another ? When did i attack you in first place ?

                        How is iraq your problem

                        This for sure don't count in personal attack.

  • shortgum on 05/12/2020 - 03:28

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYfDTsjwE58

    'They are dangerous aggressor. In the interest in world peace and regional security…'

    yes.

      • petry on 05/12/2020 - 15:53

        paid to stand up and deliver another nations words….

    • axlfan on 05/12/2020 - 11:00

      I think the Chinese govt is the most depraved and pathetic govt in the world but have you ever stopped to think about how much the already battered Indian economy is suffering due to stationing troops at high altitude there at full operational readiness?

      This is slow bleeding. The Indian economy was already in the ICU before covid hit and this is just draining resources.

    • ChipsChicky on 05/12/2020 - 11:07
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      What it has to do with the topic ?
      On a quick search, why India ain't having peaceful relationships with any of its neighbours ?

      Why they needed Tibet Forces to play their part ?

      Or they were busy holding up play cards and requesting Chinese to leave their area ??? lolz … What a strategy by Indian Army… Use play cards to request Chinese to leave the area. Thats disgraceful, so better stay on topic rather than chanting for play cards indian army.

        • petry on 05/12/2020 - 15:13

          real china?

          thought that was pottery and plates…..

        • ChipsChicky on 05/12/2020 - 16:42

          Member since 1hour 38 minutes ago … Commenting only on this post 😂😂😂
          Look who's talking … seems like Indians are all over this post … looser.

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