Help Me choose a New Car 25K Budget

Guys need some help in choosing a car.
I have shortlisted Suzuki Vitara , Mitsubishi ASX, Hyundai Elantra,Honda civic.
I am just not able to decide on the car.
I currently have a Suzuki swift and BMW 320 and want to replace the swift with any of the above.
It doesn't matter if it is a sub or sedan. What really matters to me the reliability and engineering/technology ofcorse within that budget.
What would be your best pick.
I haven't test driven any of them due to time constraints.
Wondering what are your thoughts.
More than happy to reach out to any of your friends or references . Helps me and help their individual targets aswell.
Baulkham Hills Sydney. Thanks

Comments

  • +46 votes

    As an Indian myself, your mannerisms are quite embarrassing to be completely honest. If you are going to ask for advice online, show some respect to other forum participants instead of disregarding some genuinely great ideas. Say ''Thanks for your advice, although…", instead of "phak yoo bloodi".

    • +5 votes

      +1 to this! Same here!

    • -14 votes

      I have respected every genuine idea.
      And responded to every derogatory remark.thanks

      • +12 votes

        Totally agree. This guy is an embarrassment
        Even after explaining he’s too stupid to understand what he is doing wrong!
        Can we ban him and get him to EEF OFF!!

      • +8 votes

        Get your homework done before you can ask for suggestions. If people are suggesting something then it's from their point of view. You replies have have turned all good comments to derogatory ones!

        • -7 votes

          Some of the suggestions are certainly constructive. great feedback. Which is exactly what I was after. Very Hands-on .
          Rest are after the beemer for no reason. Lol. Which makes no sense at all .

    • +3 votes

      I'm glad you posted. I was seriously wondering if this behaviour was just a cultural norm.

      • +19 votes

        Indian here.It isn't a cultural norm. He is one of those bad eggs who just can't get off his high horse because apparently he has 'made it' by living in Australia, owning an old BMW for IG/FB photo ops and will pretend to be more Aussie than Aussies themselves. I have followed this discussion since yesterday and OP's comments have been downright condescending and uncalled for. It is people like him who f**k it up for the rest of us and create a stereotype.

    • +4 votes

      I'm seeing a worrying trend here ..

      Why are people bringing race into this at all. If the guy is a troll he is a troll regardless of background.

      Using the same theory. Most of other troll threads on ozbargain I daresay are by " White Aussies", does that mean collectively all "White Aussies" are now tarnished with same brush as well because of these trolls?

      • +1 vote

        I say we take all these (basically) criminals, remove them from society.
        Like just put all of them on an island somewhere… oh wait ; )

        • +1 vote

          We need an island off the island, that no one cares about, and they can all in-breed… oh wait ;)

  • +1 vote

    I can't comment on the Civic, however, my girlfriend owns a Jazz. It's a basic car with good features and a fairly low price tag. It is not powerful, nor quick, but it is zippy. She doesn't seem to have any difficulty in driving like a crazy person. I was surprised that she purchased it for such a low sum.

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      Nice car. Very peppy.

  • +11 votes

    Definitely don't take time to test drive the cars. It's far more productive to spend that time on here getting dozens of different answers, arguing about the answers you don't like and generally being rude.

    • -10 votes

      Again, this is called selective reading. I guess You don't read all the responses .
      By the way - Test drive are work in progress. .
      Done Mazda cx3 . Hyundai is tomorrow followed by Vitara and ASX.
      Thanks

  • +15 votes

    Why don't you just go and buy another 320? Would easily get it in the budget and then you can say you drive two beemers! Much more impressive than rocking up in your ASX and saying "Oh but my other car is a beemer"

  • +26 votes

    Mate, just in case you are a young bloke, some off topic advise, hope that is not your real photo or name. You are not coming across great on this thread, this sort of thing has long term consequences for your career and mental health. Maybe time to shut this down and get some rest, you've been at it all day.

    • +7 votes

      Good comment, I'd normally insert a quirky popcorn comment on these threads but this particular one takes it to a new low. This is not popcorn worthy at all.

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      Yes, it's quite easy to find what I assume is ops real name and phone number.

    • +4 votes

      Amen to that. Ozbargain is a great community where everyone comes together helps each other finding things or discover things.

      If OP doesn’t like the advice, then just thank them and move on. There’s no need to get personal.

      I think we should do OP a favour to help him get off. Let’s all report OP’s post and get it closed.

      He’s obviously not in the right place since most of the advice are deemed inappropriate and being a troll to him. :(

      Wish you all the very best for your brand new car, OP.

      Sincerely hope you can find it…

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      ..Perhaps the best comment in this thread.

  • +13 votes

    “Great thought.something I am not used to because I haven't been brought up playing with second hand toys, wearing second hand clothes, using second hand books just because hey depreciate in price.”

    Get this guy out of here. OP you don’t belong here mate.

    • -3 votes

      Selective reading.
      Why haven't you made efforts to read the reason for this reply.

      • +7 votes

        Selective reading? Lmao you need to go back to most of your responses and read them again. Did you make the effort to thinking maybe people just trying to help as well? You have the worst attitude and strangest responses.

        Dude tells you about depreciation and you respond with how you were not brought up using second hand things lol.

      • +2 votes

        Why haven't you made the effort to get lost?
        Stop digging and embarrassing yourself further OP

  • +23 votes

    All this fuss over a car that will do an average of 2km per day?

    This has to be a joke right? You don't need a brand new car. You want a brand new car because your ego says so - simple as that.

    • -3 votes

      You are missing the point.
      All I asked for was feedback on the shortlisted cars.Everything else is irrelevant.

      • +15 votes

        Mate this is the internet where the ONLY thing that's relevant is everything else lol.

      • +2 votes

        Surely there are enough resources online to find car reviews and comparisons on these models, they're not exactly rare. Why did you feel it was a good idea to post on here if you didn't want any human reaction to your questions? A quick look at the definition of a forum might go a long way.

    • +14 votes

      This is the key comment of the thread.

      2KM per day literally doesn’t matter what you buy.

      Stop being an intolerable drop kick towards a community who are actually trying to help. Log off, and stay off.

  • +1 vote

    I would recommend a 2.5L Camry new
    Or maybe a second hand Kia

    • +12 votes

      bUt ThE 2.5l eNgInE iS tOo BiG!

    • -4 votes

      Thanks kimlo . Sure it is a sturdy car.
      I find Camry dated . 2.5 L is big and also event the drive away for basic model is 32.
      I test drove the Kia today.
      I would rate it 6/10 . Design lacks the appeal . The aircon isn't very effective. To many negatives . It has a 7 yr warranty which means the company has great faith in the quality. The warranty is not a selling point for me as I might change it in the next 5 yrs.
      Still nice pick. Thanks

  • +23 votes

    This was actually a very interesting thread. It didn't add anything in term of value but was definitely interesting from a psychological stand point

    • +5 votes

      Please share your diagnosis of OP

  • +2 votes

    I’ll go with the Hyundai.

    The ASX is dull as a rock, drove one in South Island and couldn’t wait to get rid of it.

    Vitara I haven’t drove so can’t comment.

    Have owned an Civic and an i30. You won’t go wrong with either the Civic of Elantra but base purely on warranty wise, I’ll go for the Elantra.

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      This is a great feedback tomleonhart.
      I did test drive the ASX . Too much noise . Also has a body roll can feel them when you change lanes.

      I test drove both Hyundai and Civic today.
      As you rightly indicated - splendid car.
      Low noise. Great visibility, air con is strong.
      1.8 L engine is impressive.interiors as decent.
      Decent space and good driving comfort.
      Dealer isn't giving any major discount like the Mazda and the warranty is not like Kia or Hyundai.Which is not a deal breaker though.
      I love the civic . Happy with the car.
      Will drop the Elantra.

      There is only one concern- Honda is coming with the new civic in 21. Hahaha.

      The other car shortlisted is the Vitara.
      Will test drive that tomorrow.

      Thank you for your contribution. Certainly helped me narrow down.

  • +17 votes

    The need to tell everyone that you have a beemer even when it isn't relevant to your question speaks volumes already lol.
    Then you crap on everyone who you perceive to deviate from your topic.
    Interesting read anyway.

    • +3 votes

      It's just a 3 series. Probably 15 years old. Making it cheaper than camrys

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      The need to tell everyone that you have a beemer even when it isn't relevant to your question speaks volumes already lol.

      Don't forget the need to tell everyone the suburb he lives in as well. For buying a new car. For driving 2km/day. But hey, it certainly makes sense from OP's perspective!

      Having spotted OP's need for everyone's attention and wasting everyone's time, without the humility to consider and act on sound advice that do not align with his preconceptions, we really should've ignored his question and let him be ages ago.

      Regardless, he says he has narrowed it down to 2 vehicles - based on mostly subjective reasons - and it is his money (although I recall reading somewhere that he says he may be financing? If so, then along with increasing the budget from $25k to $30k, he seems to be willing to pay much more), so all power to him I guess?

      P.S.: Normally I would be happy to help with questions like this, but I have learnt to refrain myself from doing so, when such questions come from people like the OP.

  • +3 votes

    Buy a shitty second hand car and get from Point A to B
    Second hand is better then new

    • +4 votes

      He's got a perfectly good, 5 year old Swift to do the 2kms per day!

      • +1 vote

        Don't forget he also has a 23 years old BMW that's likely cheaper than the Swift and could do the same job.

  • +1 vote

    interesting thread :)

    OP, i would recommend Skoda Octavia. Around 29k driveaway. They feel solid on the inside, nice premium feel

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      Hmmm, this is the car I some how never never had a chance or somehow missed it for whatsoever reason. On road crosses 30 easily.
      Having said that I have read Skoda struggle with the electricals. Even he new Skoda scala has an issue with the engine start stop feature.
      Not a great way to start a relationship with customers - me thinks.

      • +1 vote

        2 months ago i got a demo (10km on the clock. ) Skoda Octavia Wagon, on road $26,888

  •  

    I wish i had 25k available 3-4 years ago to invest on Tesla stock. Booooooo

  • +2 votes

    OP - you have two perfectly good cars, can you help us to understand the reason you're shopping around for a new car? Because I think there have been plenty of people giving you good advice here to hold on to the Swift.

  • +3 votes

    Simple, 2nd hand camry

    Shits on everything else you have listed

  • +4 votes

    More than you can afford pal…. Ferrari.

  • +1 vote

    Easy recommend from myself would be a Subaru Impreza. Incredible amount of car and quality for the price.

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      11.5 second 0-100, quite slow?

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        Wonder who has used this feature on Sydney roads.i feel it still has a slight lag at the initial pick-up like a stand still (traffic signal).
        I don't feel that lag in the civic though. The initial power or turbo feature plays a very big role in one's driving experience .we'll still not a major let down. Good to have feature.

    • +1 vote

      It is like Toyota corolla / Camry I'm my opinion. Dated design. High time Subaru focused a little on its design.

      Can't ignore the fact it is a no nonsense.

  • -3 votes

    MG ZS

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    Trade the swift for a new model swift

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      Change :) is good

      • +1 vote

        Better than trade, look at what you can sell the swift privately for.

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          Agree. Private is always higher.

  • +10 votes

    Have no input to give for a car that is to be driven 2km/days

    One of the threads I am following just to read comments. Probably have not seen a forum post having those many unpublished/reported comments.

    Definitely OP’s tone is too arrogant and offensive.

  • +1 vote

    Best option buy a 2nd hand used car and you'll save a lot of money

  • +2 votes

    I was quite impressed with the Cerato. Was about to buy one when the Mrs intervened and we opted for a Sportage instead (family car etc).

    Kia are excellent value for money. One negative: their standard interior looks a bit cheap and plastic, but the Sport+ version is excellent.

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    Yaris are now 25k driveaway $25,551

    • +1 vote

      If OP values space, I'd stay away from the Yaris. For that price you can get an i30 or Cerato. Or a Honda Jazz, which is a Tardis on the inside.

  • +4 votes

    What the OP wants VS what he needs seem to be at odds. He needs to answer this question with absolute truth, without any cognitive dissonance, why does he want a new car?

    • Is it a genuine need for a new daily as his previous one is not functional? Well then it is reasonable to get a new car.
    • Is it others expectations of him? If you live your life pandering to others expectations, you are not living your life.
    • Is it due to arrogance? The problem with arrogance is that it is extremely difficult to improve upon as by its nature, the perception is that there is no problem.
    • Is it due to ego? Well then addressing this can save you so much unhappiness, money and unwanted friends/habits.

    I am glad the OP posted it here because I am sure many people are in the same boat as him and sometimes the best way to reflect upon your mindset is to see that aspect of yourself in others.

    • +3 votes

      Who cares really? Op wants car suggestions not Dr Phil. Every similar thread on Ozb turns into philosophical arguments. This is why it's better to post on car forums

      • +2 votes

        Sometimes, oftentimes, there's a higher truth that supercedes what we desire. He's probably not going to find that on a car forum

        • +1 vote

          Often times people aren't interested in 'higher' truths on a tightarse website.

    • +5 votes

      I believe what you are eluding to is this flow diagram

      Purushmi, the above answers all your questions.
      From my observations based on your replies, I believe the three options listed for you are: Kia Optima, Hyundai Genesis or Mazda 6.

      Good luck :)

      • -1 vote

        Thanks Khomeini. Great options. Mazda 6 is expensive mate. I would love to keep it under 25. But then happy to add that extra 5k if need be.
        Mazda 6 Crosses 30 K mark easily.
        Thanks for stopping by. Appreciate the input.

      • +1 vote

        Great flow chart! Is there an updated version for Australia?

    • +11 votes

      The OP is just showing off: I have a BMW and I can afford another new car. It doesn't make any economical sense to have two cars just for daily commute. When I asked the OP why he needs another car if he already owns a Beemer. He simply deflected, saying I wanted to replace the other car

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        Really?
        " I don't get it. You already own a BMW 320. Why are you looking to get a budget car?"

        How is calling a $60K car a budget car a serious comment?

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          Dude, he's looking to replace the Suzuki swift, not the Beemer

      • -5 votes

        Maybe considering to focus on my query would help. We have heaps who would simply troll , requesting not to join the list please.

      • -2 votes

        I don’t get it. If he wants a new car he wants a new car. What does owning a beemer got to do with anything ?

        It’s not your money, don’t worry about it.

        • -4 votes

          Thanks. Finally Someone who thinks on similar lines

      • +3 votes

        Because he lives at home and the beemer is his mums,

  • +2 votes

    Out of all of the ones you listed, Elantra hands down.

    It has the best features for the price, robustly built ,5 star safety and solid engineering.

    • -2 votes

      Thanks mate. Elantra is certainly a value for money car. It will be phasing out very soon.
      Now it has come down to civic and Vitara.
      Vitara has no stock / long wait list and a new civic is expected around the corner.
      Lets see how his goes.

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        Mate where did you read that the Elantra is being phased out?

        Only the Elantra GT Hatch is being phased out. No way can Hyundai phase out their primary compact sedan.

        So don't take decisions based on rumours. I am happy to be corrected.

        In any case if I had to choose between a civic and the Vitara, I would choose the Vitara. I feel the 2020 models offer better value for money and is exciting while the Civic seems boring to me at least. Of course Honda is seen as more reliable. Somehow Honda never made the Dent down under compared to other markets lile the US. Having owned a 2003 Honda Accord for 6 years in the US, I can vouch for it's quality.

        • +1 vote

          I am happy to be corrected.

          Here

          Only the name is being phased out.

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            @kerfuffle: Ok they are just rebadging it as the i30 sedan locally. But that's still the Elantra and it will still be called so around the world.

            My personal opinion is that this is lame.

  • +2 votes

    Adding my 5 cents of a car not mentioned on this post. It may not meet your criteria based on your definition of a "SUV" which is increasingly just a marketing term. It also depends how well you can negotiate a drive away price etc. These are the following caveats for my selection

    and if you would accept a demonstrator car as new or if a car is reliable and how many kilometres you would accept for car to be still considerer new. Carsales lists a lot of demonstrator cars which have 2xxx kilometres but actually have < 100 km when you go to the showroom.

    Reading through this forum you want and the defintion of the below are subjective except for the price and 'not a suzuki swift'
    * SUV (not a hatchback)
    * 17 inch wheels is favoured (or maybe not less than 17 inch wheels)
    * New
    * Reliable
    * Technology and Engineering
    * Not another Suzuki Swift
    * $25K driveaway max
    * Mention of a turbo somewhere you might have said gives a different driving perception probably to the low end torque in city driving

    You could consider a Ford Focus Active which is about ~30K RRP.
    This is essentially a Ford Focus Hatch with 30 mm and 34 mm front rear ride height increase plus you get the IRS rather than the torsion beam for the rear which are in all the 2020 hatch except for the wagon and ST. (probably not that important for a 2km per day car)

    2WD/FWD so mechanically not much higher maintenance if you worried about increase weight/diffs/mechanical maintainence
    Marketed at a SUV and ground clearance is 163 mm and for point of reference a BMW F30 320i sedan non-MSport suspension has 116 mm and Mitsubish ASX 205 mm
    The Active has IRS (engineering/technology) whilst the other Focus hatch have torsion beam (except for the ST and the wagon) which you can argue can increase the price of the vehicle or the torsion beam is there as non-visible cost cutting measure e.g. A200 W117 hatch uses a torsion beam .
    Has a turbo engine
    [Model refresh for 2021 and the whole Focus range will be shrunk down to a Focus Hatch ST-Line and a Ford Active] (https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2021-ford-focus-range-...) with slightly different specs so the current models maybe easier to bargain.

    Looking at [Carsales it appears you can get $26990-28990 driveaway NSW for a MY20.25 model] (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/?q=(And.(C.Make.Ford..(C.Model.Focus..Badge.Active.)).(Or.Condition.Demo+and+Near+New..Condition.New.)_.State.New+South+Wales.)&sort=~Price) which you should be able to negotiate something out of it. Considering [Ford Focus Active are not exactly a sales success and in general Ford] (https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/sales-losers-we-love-b...) is not selling much volume except maybe Raptors.

    Depreciation maybe another factor to consider but it all depends how you can bring the price down
    Should check the specs if the technology/safety/convenience/absence of blind spot monitoring etc is an issue for you

    As others have said you just need to have the people using the car check out if it feels comfortable to drive/park/drive through narrow laneways or being stuck in traffic

    • -5 votes

      Simply wow. Thank you for your efforts.
      Will leave ford behind for the price .

  • +2 votes

    Wait. You want reliability and you're keeping the BMW?!?!?

    • -5 votes

      I am happy with it and love the drive.

      •  

        Fair enough. It's your money, and your car. If you're happy, that's what matters. Enjoy.

  • +1 vote

    Best bang for your buck strictly under $25 grand will be the Kia Cerato S with the Safety Pack. The sport will cost you another $2,500 and all you get a bigger wheels, native GPS and couple of cosmetic things…not really worth it in my opinion (unless you can get a good deal on one ofcourse :) )

    • -3 votes

      Thanks nick90. Appreciate the feedback.

  • +26 votes

    Just wasted all my down votes on Ops comments. What a d

  •  

    Have you considered buying second hand? Your options open up significantly and you don't have to wear majority of the depreciation.

    • +14 votes

      Second hand is for poor people who are far below ops status.