Why Are Dogs So Expensive? Where Are All The X Breeds?

My partner and I have wanted to get a dog for some years but never been in a position to do so. We are now and dogs are crazy expensive!

I get that covid has tightened demand but really $4000 for a dog… I believe this was an issue before 2020 from what I've read.

Also, where are all the X breeds? Why all purebred's?

We had a few dogs growing up, German, Lab X and Jack Russell over the years. Even with inflation they should be maybe $600-$700 now days?

Seems exploitative with the insane prices, breeders just want big $ and if they can't get the puppy sold, ppl don't want older dogs, so do they just dump them?

Happy to pay up to* $1000 but all I see on gumtree/trading post is $8000 purebred's.

Give me any all old mongrel and it will live like purebred royalty! (Prefer Lab ;-)

Cheers

UPDATE* So after my whinging post we managed to find a local farmer that had his female boarder collie fall pregnant. A little of 10! $500 boarder collie cross, golden retriever I believe. Total cutie. Smallest "runt" of the lot but so worth it. He had people come from Melbourne, Brisbane and Sydney to little old Casino at the drop of a pin. Mental. He couldn't believe the response he had.

Maybe a new post is needed but: What are people's thoughts on so called Runts' of the litter?

From what I have read vets and the like have dispelled alot of myths and tbats it is just a pup that was latched to the placenta where they had slightly less access to nutrients and come out smaller.

If they come out with birth defects they've had a really bad "connection" or supply. They say in the wild the mother would neglect, but dometicate most of the negatives can be over come. I.e. access to food from competing siblings. The owner said they did loose one maybe that was the runt, so maybe she's just smaller.

He used to breed purebreads collies and golden retrievers and said her mother was, but it makes no difference to us. She's full of beans and already crazy conscious and alert to commands and our body language.

Thanks to everyone help!

Comments

  • Our first dog was a Staffy gumtree freebie, and was not the best dog. He was 18 months old, and was not very companion like. Hated other animals, barked crazily when anyone came to the door. Didn't like cuddles, and the only way to get much love from him was to feed him … so he turned into a fat dog. Now … I get that we probably could have changed a lot of that behaviour.

    He died last April.

    We looked around on gumtree for another dog, but by then dogs were in demand. The local (Hunter, NSW) RSPCA weren't allowing people in to inspect dogs, but we chose a 6 month Staffy, and they brought it to us. Cost ~$400, and she's a much better dog.

    NSW RSPCA have a range of dogs on their website that aren't those breeds you mentioned, although those breeds do seem to be over-represented.

    Maybe pick a few to do more research on, and make a holiday out of going and looking.

  • Check RSPCA plus these others

    Animal Welfare League NSW

    Friends of the Pound (at Tweed)

    PetRescue

    some Petbarns (Tweed)

    Search for Qld Gold Coast rescues too that allow interstate adoption

    Did a quick search just now and heaps of dogs in all sizes available for adoption between all of the above sites

    • +3

      rspca are a kill organisation - ask them how many dogs do they slaughter each week - you will be surprised

      • +3

        They have hard and fast rules and seem cold but in their defence they have had to deal with the problem of unwanted animals for a very long time which resulted in this position. A rescue from there really would be a rescue.

      • For profit

      • +1

        What would you do with hundreds of dogs being dropped in your doorstep?
        You think they get off on having to put down pets?

      • You don't need to ask them. You can get their published stats online back to 2000.

        https://www.rspca.org.au/what-we-do/our-role-caring-animals/…

        They have improved their kill rate immensely but still not enough for me to donate to them. Animal control and animal welfare should be separate.

  • +3

    https://gapqld.com.au/

    $100 for a greyhound.
    Adopting one was the best thing I've ever done. It's worth flagging that you're not supposed to have them off leash in public (i.e if they decide to sprint after something their recall is generally non existent; top speed of 72km/h). Also I'm in VIC, not sure of QLD's specific off leash/muzzle laws etc.

    My grey pretty much wants to chill on the couch most of the day, loves to cuddle, barely needs any walking, and has a beautiful temperament.

  • Paid $100 from the back of a commodore for my mutt. I agree with the OP… Something's seriously wrong with the price of dogs these days

  • pet shops sell puppy farm dogs so beware!

    • Pet shops shouldn’t sell pets. Too likely to be impulse purchases. It’s all about the money and not animal welfare in many cases.

  • +2

    Scumtree should not be allowed to sell any animal.

  • +2

    I'm a no doggo expert and far from it, but is it true that rescue dogs are better adopted by more experienced dog owners? Look, I have heard plenty of stories they are being wonderful etc2, but let's take emotion out of the topic for one second.

    Quite a percentage of those pound dogs do actually have psychological/behavioural issues from previous owners (neglect/incompetence) and adopting them would require a degree of competence of dog handling ability incase any issue arises, which a newbie would presumably not well equipped to handle them in the proper way(s).

    Would this be generally true?

    Again, not saying buying from a breeder is the perfect solution. But, at least you are buying with a 'clean' slate? Of course this is under the assumptions that the breeder is proper.

    • +2

      let's take emotion out of the topic

      Lol, you’re going to trigger the overly emotional types with talk like that.

      Rescue dogs can be harder to train and do often have issues, however there a host of trainers and care networks that can help city types with their dogs these days, even a lot of the larger regional centres will have people that can assist.

      Buying from a breeder doesn’t always equal a clean slate as it’s pretty easy to mess up a dog in the first 12 weeks.

    • +2

      We had a few dogs over the years as a family. German, Labs, Jack Russels. In between one of those dad brought home a rescue…. Bruce…

      (I know not all rescued dogs are like this, just an antidote).

      Oh man, within 72hours we had to return him. I was 8-9 with older brother 10 and sister as a toddler.

      I remember dad trying to get back in the house after feeding him, without getting bitten. Even without food around he would growl and get aggressive.

      Maybe* he was a "bad dog"/ breed but more likely some (profanity) mistreated him and he was just frightened. 99% of dogs are well natured. I think it was a pig fighting breed (not sure of name).

      Maybe dad could have trained him or someone could. But Mum didn't want to find my little sister in pieces in the backyard one day.

    • +1

      Yeah, my in-laws got a rescue dog, and it was always afraid of me, from the moment it first saw me. I can only assume it had been repeatedly and severely beaten by a male of a similar height to me, prior to entering the shelter. I only treated it well, gave it food, approached it slowly and calmly, but it was never happy to be around me, and would get away from me as quickly as it could, for all the 10 years it was alive. It was, frankly, exhausting to be shunned for something you didn't do, and couldn't fix or heal, all I could I think when I saw it was: why would anyone ever get a rescue dog unless they knew it had been treated well? A friend of our family had a similar issue, with a dog that would run away from the eldest male. I love the theoretical idea of rescue dogs, but it's the practical psychological trauma that they can carry because of prior abuse that puts me right off them. None of this is the dog's fault of course, but it's not my fault either.

  • https://lifeofpikelet.com/adoptable/pandolce/

    I saw this dog Last night in Sydney. I would've been interested but only for adoption on NSW.

  • +1

    I hope those scum of the earth scammers get karma biting them back till the day they die!

  • I can never understand why people want to spend over $1K on puppies. Seriously there are so many dogs in pound and rescue groups that need a second chance. Forget about the breed, you need to think about what's your lifestyle, how much time you can spend and exercise your dog and how much you want to spend on dog grooming. I feel sorry for big dogs that live in an apartments and with dog owners out all the time. You risk getting your dog stolen if you leave you expensive dog in the backyard most of the day. Your dogs won't mind what nationality you are from so why you care so much about the breed. If you don't want to get scam, get a dog from rescue groups which is already house trained, microchipped and desexed. There are puppies that are born in the pounds or under care of rescue groups if you really want a puppy. I adopted my 8 year old poodle cross about two weeks ago because his owners went through divorce and could not take him. Their loss my gain. Some people think dogs in pounds have something wrong with them but most of the time these dogs ended up there not due to their own fault. Yes, they might take some time to adjust but once they know you love them, they will love you back. If you are interested to adopt or foster, go to www.petrescue.com.au. Most rescue groups post their dogs on this website. Contact your pounds and local rescue groups. If you never have a dog before, I suggest you do fostering first and understand what it is like to be dog owners.

    • +5

      I can never understand why people want to spend over $1K on puppies

      Maybe some people want to go through the puppy phase, train it and know its entire life. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Also if the dog lives 10+ years it's a relatively small amount in the grand scheme of things. I am not sure that I would want to buy a fully grown dog where we have no memories together.

      I've had two cavoodles that I paid $400-500 for (each) in the late 00's. When the remaining one passes I would happily pay $4-6k (whatever the going rate is at the moment) to get another cavoodle puppy.

  • Yep used to be able to get any breed including pure for next to nothing but now they become so called "designer" breed and also more of a fashion statement these days, just look at all those stupid dogs with Instagram pages!!!

    I got a beautiful big pure German rottweiler actually given to me about 15 years ago but now you cannot get one under $2000- these days.

    I miss the days of $100 X breeds for families that wanted a pet and companion but weren't rich

    • I think the focus on desexing and fencing means there are leading to a lot less random litters.

  • +1

    After the new laws come in in Vic preventing pet stores selling pets, prices went through the roof :(

    I've said for a long time that I'd like a West Highland Terrier as my next dog - problem is as soon as you want any particular breed of dogs that most of the time rules out rescues. In the past we've had purebred Maltese, Maltese Shih-tsu x and Maltese x Cavaliers. It would have been nice to have got a puppy so they can be trained while I'm home all the time, but unfortunately missed the boat on that.

  • +5

    Good luck with your search, but please don't be like most other people who buy a dog and leave it outside barking 24/7 until it eventually dies 15+ years later after a miserable life.
    Dogs are social animals and bark when left outside because they are anxious, stressed and bored.

    • I know— it's so sad. A dog tied or fenced is basically trapped. It is stressful. I've lived in a lot of different areas & saw/see it all of the time. Why do these people have a dog if they're just going to ignore it? At one place, the only time I heard anyone was them yelling at the dog. I think it was locked outside, alone, crying most of the time. :(

      My sister fostered puppies, for many years, which were going to be seeing eye/helper dogs. One absolute was that whenever she left the house and they stayed behind, they had to be placed into their kennel. That way, the person who ended up with the dog had a way to control them and the dogs eventually treated the kennel as their safe-space. They'd sleep in it, too. So, no torn up garbage or furniture— no scolding, etc…Just happiness when she returned. She carried on that tradition when she got her own pup. I was visiting when a lightning storm started. Her dog ran into his kennel.

  • I've been watching the prices rise since last January. Our KCCS had died and was looking for a puppy. Our 2nd dog just died, so have been actively looking again. Prices are crazy.

    I am in Qld but I have noticed a lot of puppies about at rescues. Actually saw some lab crosses yesterday but not sure which site but i think they were in FAR NORTH QLD.

    I have learnt that there are some rescues that have a last litter program. Perhaps seek them out. The owner surrenders the litter in return for a free desexing of the mother - be it cat or dog. At least you have a clean slate with these puppies.

    The breeders are blaming the price increases in purebreds on government requirements. Here in Qld they have to be a registered breeder, puppy microchipped and desexed, and health checks. Add to that full disclosure about the parents. The ethical breeders have had their dogs DNA tested for the hereditary health issues. The added costs don't add up to the puppy prices asked though. Of course there Are still those selling who don't meet these requirements.

    My husband had a customer in this past week. Their niece was selling puppies @ $5000 . 7 puppies. @ $5000 each. People Are buying them.

  • +7

    Me, 2021: Can't afford to buy a pet.

    Me, 1971: Going out with a cardboard box, door-to-door, trying to give away puppies/kittens.

  • And yet there are still some many dogs in the shelters! Sad.
    Just because everyone wants a puppy!

    • Not everyone! We adopted our little cat when she was 1 year old. I think there are plenty of people who don't want the chores associated with raising a pup. And the dogs in shelters are just so sweet and craving love and attention. When I was little, I'd beg my mother (who was a saint, btw) to take me to the humane society—- to visit the dogs & cats- lol. We had 2 dogs and 3 cats + assorted other pets at the time. My poor, sweet mother…

  • Things are really changed. 30 year ago I had an American pitbull x, cost $85

  • +1

    Blame Labradoodles. Once a ít was a mutt that resulted from when two different breeds got it on, now they are "designer dogs".

    Anyway I have had 3 rescue dogs and all three brilliant dogs. The prices are ridiculously cheap. $440 including spaying, vaccinations, worming etc. The dog was basically free. A lot of dogs get turned in because of reason that are not the dogs fault (owners dying/sick, incompatible with other dogs, losing jobs etc). Plenty of dogs also get turned in because their owners are idiots "why is my Kelpie chewing on the furniture in my one bedroom apartment. No, I don't walk it.". I'm not kidding about how fickle and stupid people can be, my 2nd dog was twice rejected, once because it wouldn't chase balls and once because it didn't like swimming.

    Tbh I have yet to see pedigree dogs that are better dogs. The only thing pedigree dogs are better at is making money selling pedigree puppie and looking exactly the way you want. No problems if that is your thing, go for it, if it isn't look at rescues. You're odds of getting a good natured pedigree dogs are about the same as a good natured rescued, same goes with the crazies and the quirky ones. The nasty ones don't usually make it selection by rescue organisations.

    Web sites like petrescue.com.au are great if you want to find a dog that suits your personality, housing situation and exercise regime. Many organisations offer a return policy if it doesn't work out.

  • Does anyone remember the pet corner at Parkmore?

  • +1

    So, so many designer breeds on gumtree (poodle x, shih zhu, bull dogs) going for $3,500+ (most in the $4,500-$5,500 range). The rest seem to be bully breed x pups still asking for thousands or older or perceived problematic dogs. What happened to the cheap mutts that weren't bully breeds. Now I'm sure people will find at least 2 problems with my last sentence: dogs aren't a cheap expense so don't expect them to be cheap and what's wrong with a bully. But those 2 conditions use to be pretty easy to fulfill just 10 years ago. So if you do want a dog that's cheap are unwilling to go for a bully you are going to get very negative reactions from most people (and double it if you so desire a puppy when you could get an adult dog) - especially if you live in a city.

    • +1

      What happened to the cheap mutts? Oddly it was greater education and cheaper vets, resulting in almost everyone desexing their dogs. You never hear (or, at least I never hear) of someone in the burbs getting a litter of 10 dogs and needing to give them away. Of course, the prices dogs are today potentially means the desexing trend will not continue

  • +1

    I think de-sexing is alot bigger now, and with more of a push for only registered breeders you no longer get random litters around the place.

  • @Goremans You spot on. I was quote price of $2,500 for a pure bred Lab. When i reached out last month - i was told the price is $6k but i can have for $5k! Was quoted on gumtree people are selling Lab for $6k without papers.

    Anyhow i backed out as it was way too much money for me - i had already waited sometime to get my head around $2,500…$5k is atrocious !!

  • anyone know where I can adopt a berndoodle?

  • All dogs are good boys. Don't worry about getting the best breed that google recommends, get a dog that needs a home that gets along with you.

  • Yer I got my cavoodle from a dog rescue place 12 years ago for $400…

    Would really like a westie one day lol

    But I wont be getting any more dogs with the crazy prices they are now, its shameful and disgusting and I wont be apart of it or encourage it!!!

  • I paid around $5k plus about another grand to go to NSW, collect and bring back to Perth, for my (at the time) 6 month old German Shepherd from a reputable breeder and trainer. If/when the time comes to get another Shepherd, I'll go thru them again without hesitation and would happily pay up to $8k for the right dog. Our girl has been the best dog I've owned. Won't let anyone in the house she doesn't know but has been the gentlest thing around our toddler.

    On the other hand, our cattle dog was 'rescued' as a pup (mum and litter surrendered). I think we paid about $800 for him (including shipping from QLD to Perth). He's been excellent as well, learns a lot from the shepherd but definitely a lot more intelligent and higher prey drive. I guess where I'm going is that you don't need to spend a fortune on a dog unless you want/need a certain breed. I would never purchase from a backyard breeder, let alone ones trying to sell them for thousands. It's like ticket scalpers, you're only encouraging them to carry on if you support them.

  • I heard people like runts because they're 'more needy'

  • We bought a purebred beagle off a family in one of richer Melbourne suburbs. She has paid $4800 for him and had him for a month but didn't want him anymore because he was nipping her and her kids (normal puppy stuff) and was too naughty for her. We paid $1000 and after he grew out of that nippy puppy stage and went through some puppy school, we ended up with well natured loving dog, who is still a bit cheeky, but we couldn't believe they sold him after 1 month because of normal puppy stuff.

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