Yamaha MusicCast VINYL 500 Wireless Turntable (TT-N503), White - $549 Delivered @ Amazon AU

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Not a bad price. It retails elsewhere for around $849 and RRP on Yamaha is $999.
I bought this to be paired with the Edifier R1700BTs, hopefully, it'll sound alright. This is the first time owning a turntable.

A step into the future with a tribute to the past. Meet our game-changing wireless turntable designed for a new generation of audiophiles. Featuring MusicCast multi-room capabilities, share the joy of your record collection in any room.

• Wirelessly connect to any MusicCast device for seamless listening
• Straight tonearm contributes to sound transparency and openness
• Belt drive turntable
• Music streaming services built-in
• Wi-Fi built-in including support for 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands

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  Musiclover on 14/03/2021 - 21:24

  "to be paired with the Edifier R1700BTs"

  Is this a trolling? Not funny.

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    dewi98 on 14/03/2021 - 21:26

    I'm actually not trolling. My plan was to upgrade a bit later and use the Edifiers as my PC speakers. What would you suggest?

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      Broden on 14/03/2021 - 21:33

      DALI Opticon MK2

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        Musiclover on 14/03/2021 - 21:37

        "DALI Opticon MK2" please don't.

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        [Deactivated] on 14/03/2021 - 21:45

        +2

        Welcome back

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      Musiclover on 14/03/2021 - 21:36

      +9

      It is just it is such a huge missmatch of a level of a signal compared to the output (speakers).

      It is silly to suggest anything in terms of sound to anyone unless you want to start a flame war which I have no intention to do.

      But what is the reason for a turntable? I wanted a turntable 20 years ago because I had access to a huge government library of vinyl which was not digitalised and had an intention of digitalising that vinyl to save it for future generations (sounds a bit pretentious does it?).

      If you intend to listen to modern music which was digital to start with and then transferred to vinyl I can not understand that, makes no sense to me. It is far inferior in terms of sound quality compared to a digital source.

      But sources are secondary. Speakers are primary. Best speakers IMHO are the top Adams, Hedds, Presonus. These are studio reference speakers, I like my sound clean and my approach is very practical.

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        dewi98 on 14/03/2021 - 21:50

        +3

        That makes complete sense. Now I feel like an idiot, not my intention to make a flamewar haha.

        My partner's grandmother had a collection that was passed to us but she didn't have a turntable. Studio reference speakers sound like a great idea, I grew up playing piano and really want to appreciate music again - will definitely be saving up.

        Seriously thank you for the suggestions. Love the idea of digitising the historical vinyls, not pretentious at all IMHO - it's nice to have someone doing it!

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          ONEMariachi on 14/03/2021 - 22:04

          +1

          @dewi98: Good idea to go and listen to a bunch of speakers/amp/receiver set ups. This turntable is reasonably unique in that it has several ways to connect to speakers. Either directly to any powered speaker(ie anyhitng like your Edifiers you mentioned) OR through a Phono stage combined with passive speakers, alternatively, through the musicast sytem it employs. So you'll have a lot of choices, depending on how much you're willing to spend, and how good you want it to end up sounding.

          My personal set up that I'm consdering adding this to. Directly connected to Phono input in the lounge room (Peachtree Nova 150, with Wharfedale Linton Heritage Speakers). Then music casted to my office, which has the Yamaha WXC-50 speaking to my Yamaha HS7 speakers (passing through an Apollo Twin). An expensive set up, but gives you an idea what you can do with it. Airplay will then also allow it to go straight to the Apple home pod mini in the kitchen too.

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          Musiclover on 14/03/2021 - 22:17

          @dewi98: Well if it is to play those old vinyls which are not available in digital of course it makes sense.

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        caitsith01 on 14/03/2021 - 21:56

        +2

        Well, for starters, quite a lot of vinyl is mastered independently of digital releases. Most recent Bob Dylan albums, for instance. And the vinyl versions sound vastly superior. If you can get an all-analogue or very high res master and no loudness wars compression on a record it sounds excellent.

        And then there's the whole 'it has a certain indefinable sound to it' thing, which is not for everyone but is for me.

        Why you would then want to digitise your sound and cast it over a network is what mystifies me…

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          Musiclover on 14/03/2021 - 22:14

          @caitsith01: It may be mastered independently but it is recorded and processed digitally, is it not? I have seen some popular albums which had a good half a dozen of defferent mastered editions, remastered editions of old albums etc - usually it does not make a lot of sense and the results are not vastly different. There also LP high def rips available for a lot of albums… Just adds to distortion compared to a good digital copy.

          I do not doubt there is a huge market for "nice warm lamp sound", you can use it as a filter on your digital equipment if you are so keen. I am sure it is the way of the future. Hopefully we will talk again about it in 20 years time.

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            caitsith01 on 15/03/2021 - 11:42

            @Musiclover: @Musiclover, it totally depends on the album. A lot of older stuff is obviously recorded in analogue. With digital it also depends. Some vinyl is basically the CD cut to vinyl, which is obviously shitty and cannot logically sound better/significantly different to the CD. But a lot of stuff will be recorded in very high res audio so that mastering for vinyl produces something close to analogue. If you then avoid the compression etc of a lot of CD mastering you potentially get a more pleasing result.

            See for example this good explanation - basically, because of physical limitations of vinyl the 'same' master can produce a different result which is appropriately levelled for vinyl without clipping, whereas the digital/CD version ends up louder with clipping/compression:

            A digital master for CD has to have a 16-bit word length, and it can be as loud and as limited as the client’s taste or insecurity dictates; with the vinyl master there is a physical limit to what can be fed to the cutting head of the lathe, and so heavily clipped masters are not welcome and can only be accommodated, if at all, by serious level reduction. For vinyl, the optimum source is 24-bit, dynamic, and limited either extremely lightly or not at all. The sequencing difference is that delivery from mastering for digital is either individual WAV files for download or a single DDPi file for CD replication, whereas for vinyl the delivery is generally two WAV files, one for each side of the record.

            For the most part, the mastering process for vinyl and digital formats can be the same — and any guesswork around things like the stereo spread of bass frequencies is probably best left for the cutting engineer.Photo: JacoTen / Wikimedia CommonsThis is how it generally works at my own, pretty typical, facility. We run the mastering processing through the analogue chain, gain-staging so that the final capture is a louder but, as yet, unlimited version of the master. To this we can subsequently add level and required limiting. In the simplest scenario, then, this as-yet unlimited version can serve as the vinyl master, and a different version, which has had gain added, becomes the digital master. This works best when the primary focus is the vinyl, as the louder digital version benefits from the preserved dynamics in the vinyl master.

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        [Deactivated] on 14/03/2021 - 21:56

        Did you digitise any of said library? Keen to see the titles…

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          Musiclover on 14/03/2021 - 22:23

          @[Deactivated]: Unfortunately, no!
          I was a poor uni student, and I could not accept a poor equipment quality of the digital copies, I wanted a proper studio equipment, it all stopped at the stage of negotiations with sponsors. Now it all light years away, a lot of water has flowed under the bridge…

          It was mostly Soviet recorded classical and folk music. Thousands of discs.
          "All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain." Sad thing, really.

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            [Deactivated] on 14/03/2021 - 22:30

            @Musiclover: Dang!

            That reminds me, I have a balalaika somewhere… time to dig it out!

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        diamondd on 14/03/2021 - 22:01

        +1

        did you get around to digitising any if those records?

        I'd be happy hoard a copy of it all for future generations.

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        pizzip on 15/03/2021 - 18:09

        I think you're vastly overestimating how good this turntable is (it's a low-mid tier table at most, the included cart is super low end) and underestimating the Edifiers. I have Adam studio monitors and the Edifiers in question and tbh, while the Adams are obviously better, for general music listening (bluetooth), I usually just use the Edifiers. They're still miles better than Logitech or portable BT speakers, honestly for the $120 they cost on sale, they're great. It's not worth me setting up the Adams just to stream music from my phone, the increase of quality in less than ideal situations (where BT is mostly used) is nowhere near the improvement you're implying. Unless you sit directly in front of studio monitors and have a properly treated room, there's not much point, they're not designed for off axis, far-field listening. I guarantee the Edifiers would sound better in a treated room than any set of ~$500 monitors in an untreated room.

        You'd really need to move up to JBL lsr305's to have a better experience with studio monitors but they're over triple the cost of the R1700BTs; at that point it's better just save up for KEFs or something in a higher price bracket when upgrading from Edifiers.
        Even getting a better sound from passive speakers for the same cost as the RB1700BT isn't guaranteed (if buying new) considering you'd need to budget in an amp.

        Why even mention Hedd? As far as I can tell, their cheapest speaker is $1500 (for a single unit). It's like going into a thread asking about what tyres should I put on granny's Camry and recommending them to buy semi-slick racing tyres.

        I agree that speakers are the most important component in the signal chain but he already owns the Edifiers. I would recommend getting a $350~ level TT (LP120x) and putting the leftover $200 into speakers if OP had nothing at all but It's not really worth buying a cheaper TT and upgrading to low tier studio monitors like your post is inferring.

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          caitsith01 on 16/03/2021 - 12:48

          @pizzip: As someone with several thousand records I simply don't believe people who claim that they can hear a significant difference between a $500 table and a $2000 table. If you have a decent ($150-300) cartridge on a modest but well-made table it is indiscernible from much more expensive gear IMHO. In the end the table itself is a machine for spinning the record at a consistent speed while feeding a signal through some wires, and it doesn't even generate the signal, the cartridge does.

          IMHO in order of influence on sound:

          1. Speakers
          2. Cartridge
          3. Amp
          4. Pre-amp
          5. Turntable
          6. Monster speaker cables

          Turntables are a bigger problem when they have major flaws like significant speed variation or shit on-board pre-amps.

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            pizzip on 17/03/2021 - 12:01

            +1

            @caitsith01: Yeah totally. Not sure how this table stacks up tbh, the cart is like $20 at most and it's full of BT crap which will generally further degrade the signal. I also assume the inbuilt phono amp is less than idea (although if it's to the level of what's in a Yamaha amp, it'll be fine). Seems like it's better than most BT enabled tables at this price range (minus the cheap cart) and generally Yamaha make good stuff. I wouldn't buy it but if OP needs BT, I assume with a cart upgrade it's a decent table, certainly no worse than the lower end AT stuff.

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            [Deactivated] on 18/03/2021 - 11:56

            @caitsith01:

            Monster speaker cables

            Oh God I hope that was a joke.

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              caitsith01 on 18/03/2021 - 22:27

              @[Deactivated]: Nah, I can totally hear the difference between 99.99999999999% pure copper and 99.99999999999999%.

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  jv on 14/03/2021 - 21:45

  +1

  Will this play CDs ?

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    [Deactivated] on 14/03/2021 - 21:48

    +3

    Will it blend?

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    C0mbat on 14/03/2021 - 21:57

    No but you can play Spotify from the MusicCast App.

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  caitsith01 on 14/03/2021 - 21:56

  +3

  For this money get a Project, Rega, Music Hall or decent AT IMHO.

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  b2dz on 14/03/2021 - 22:24

  -1

  Wicky wicky wah wah

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  singingwolf on 14/03/2021 - 22:29

  +3

  I just replaced my 30 year old player with a AT. I avoided all that Bluetooth and WiFi stuff as I assumed it would put noise ino the source.

  Haven't finished setting up as its too big for the shelf it needs to go on…

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  Wm on 14/03/2021 - 23:10

  Just compared my old technics turntable (good quality) with Spotify, switching between same songs on same amp/speakers. Both decent. New cartridge etc. Tried many songs. Omg, Spotify sounded massively better. I was shocked. Not even close. What a waste of money buying all these records. Seriously, forget vinyl.

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    lasterato on 15/03/2021 - 07:49

    +1

    What's your setup?

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    caitsith01 on 15/03/2021 - 11:46

    +1

    Hard to believe your TT setup is good if that was your conclusion. Lots of factors could be at play there. I listen to Spotify and vinyl a lot, often through the same amp and speakers, and for a lot of albums my vinyl setup sounds better.

    Likely culprits would be needle shape on your TT and the quality of your phono stage. And of course, the condition of your vinyl.

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  ufoninja on 15/03/2021 - 08:04

  I have the FM tuner version of this. Allows me to listen to stream the radio to my UE roll Bluetooth speaker. /s

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  nutella9 on 15/03/2021 - 15:33

  This is a good deal….if you already have a vinyl collection. If you don't…don't waste your money. There was a golden age of vinyl where music was recorded in analog and sounded great on vinyl. This is no longer the case. Most recordings now start life off digitally and hence can never be better if the digital file is then just pressed onto a vinyl record. It makes zero sense to buy a digital recording on vinyl - that's literally the worst of both worlds - it adds digital colouration to vinyl's pops and clicks. And there's plenty of companies most willing to get you to pay through the nose for absolutely rubbish recordings simply for the nostalgia value. In fact you'll have to spend an enormous amount of time researching every purchase to make sure you haven't got a dud copy. Even spending $100 on a single new LP in Melbourne's increasing number of vinyl stores is no guarantee of a quality pressing - the rubbish far far outnumbers the good. You're much better off spending on a higher bit rate digital download - it's cheap, reliable and better than 90% of the record pressings out there. Sure, the other 10% of record pressings will be better on a high end system - but you'll be paying far more than the cost of this record player to source them.