Driving Unregistered Vehicle Permit after Sunset in Victoria

LOffers and deals on 17/03/2021 - 15:13
Last edited 17/03/2021 - 15:48 by 2 other users

Hi everyone this is my first post on this forum.

I need some suggestions on the fine I received from the Victoria police. I am a careful driver with a clean driving record, I bought a car from an auction and I drove it home with a UVP (Unregistered Vehicle Permit). It took me few hours to clean the car and put a new battery and it was 8 pm when I finish, the car wash was just 500 meters from my house. I still got pulled over and got fined for driving an "unregistered car". I had the permit but have overseen it that I was not allowed to drive it after sunset. the fine is around $900 which I am not happy to pay, are there any options for me to get out of this?

(Please respect my first post in the comment )

Thanks, everyone.

Automotive

Comments

        • pegaxs on 19/03/2021 - 10:19
          +2

          vehicles are covered by TAC EVEN IF THEY ARE UNREGISTERED….

          And who do you think bears the cost of covering injuries or deaths as a result of an uninsured vehicle being involved? Oh, registered drivers who pay the TAC. So I can see it's fair that I pay TAC so some moron who didn't pay their rego gets the same cover. (ps: I think you will find that TAC is the CTP in Victoria… It just hasn't been privatized… yet)

          If TAC covers everything, then why bother registering your vehicle at all if you are covered anyway? Oh, that's right, because lawyers would eat you for breakfast if you were unregistered/uninsured and caused the injuries, let alone death.

          And your "friend" probably had their medical costs covered by Medicare, not TAC. (Either way, the tax payers thank them for their stupidity) As someone who has had to claim on TAC before for an accident on a registered motorcycle on a public road and the hassle I had to go through to just to make a claim makes your "friend on private property in an unregistered car was covered" story seem a little bit like bullshit to me.

          Is a person entitled to TAC benefits in relation to an accident involving an unregistered vehicle on private land?

          The TAC will not pay benefits to an injured person as a result of a transport accident involving an unregistered motor vehicle on private land whether they are the owner or not.

          For your friend to have been "covered" they needed to have had NRV cover though TAC.

          • SlickMick on 19/03/2021 - 14:12

            @pegaxs: actually, registration-payers will only pay what they don't recover from the unregistered driver. The unregistered driver could be ruined financially.

        • SlickMick on 19/03/2021 - 14:08
          +2

          I don't think you got the full story from your friend.TAC covers an unregistered vehicle on private land …"provided the client is not the owner of the vehicle." … the part you left out is … "The TAC can seek financial recovery against the owner for any compensation that is paid."

        • Euphemistic on 19/03/2021 - 14:23

          Covered by Medicare or TAC? You don’t have to have a car hit you to get free medical care.

      • Drakesy on 19/03/2021 - 18:46

        I think the sunset clause is a bit stupid, the OP's third party expired at sunset, yet they could be driving a car that was able to function fine prior to sunset. The fact that the OP was given an exemption for a few hours, although not past 6:00pm is a bit backwards.

        • Tleyx on 20/03/2021 - 10:21

          What if he crashed into a Ferrari

          • Drakesy on 20/03/2021 - 12:32

            @Tleyx: I think you've confused two things here.
            Third party compulsory that you get with your rego/exemption won't cover the damage cost of it, you could crash into any car and would still have to pay.

            • Tleyx on 20/03/2021 - 13:18

              @Drakesy: That's my point. He would have to pay if he crashed into a Ferrari, much more likely to crash at night so why would you risk it

              • Drakesy on 20/03/2021 - 13:49

                @Tleyx: He would have to pay if he crashed during the day too though?

                • Tleyx on 20/03/2021 - 19:01
                  -1

                  @Drakesy: His insurance he got for third party property would pay out during day, wouldn't pay out at night as car is not permitted then

                  Also more likely to crash at night due to low visibility etc

                  • Drakesy on 21/03/2021 - 01:08

                    @Tleyx: I get that but its still backwards
                    Does you third party insurance stop at sunset?
                    No because they've already factored in the added risk of crashing at night, you'd expect the same to apply here.

                    • Tleyx on 22/03/2021 - 09:02

                      @Drakesy: How is it backwards? If it only allowed you to drive at night that would be backwards as you surely are more likely to crash at night. Especially in a car whose lights might be out if you are taking it to a mechanic to be fixed

        • OrderedChaos on 20/03/2021 - 16:52
          +1

          @Drakesy Couldn't agree more. Completely insensible. What does it matter whether it's before or after sunset. Goodness. It's a nit picky and insensible regulation… and to what upside?

    • TransportPosters on 18/03/2021 - 09:16
      +1

      That's what I was going to say. The worse that will happen is that they will say "no".

  • Mark1159 on 18/03/2021 - 08:55
    +2

    Yeah, potentially knocks kid off bike - quadriplegic sadly, 70 years care at $1m care a year, maybe.
    No insurance.
    Some people…

    • dirtybigbjelke on 18/03/2021 - 09:56
      +5

      Vic has No Fault TAC coverage for people injured by a vehicle as long as it is capable of being registered and you aren't on Private Land like a farm.

      • Mark1159 on 18/03/2021 - 15:15

        Is there potential for TAC to attempt to recover costs?

        • bobs burgers on 18/03/2021 - 21:55
          +1

          They do this every time you pay registration already

          • SlickMick on 19/03/2021 - 14:14

            @bobs burgers: they can sue the unregistered driver

            • bobs burgers on 19/03/2021 - 15:35

              @SlickMick: Ah right, wasn't sure of the specifics other then tac does get it's payments from our registrations.
              Quite a large portion of it too

  • Dejaar on 18/03/2021 - 09:52

    If this is your first fine u may be able to write to the body and ask for leniency. Can work in nsw if u have a clean record.

  • Pina on 18/03/2021 - 10:24
    +2

    More general but has anyone tried dealing with Vicroads lately. I didn't realise how bad things are but went to book a registration change from SA to VIC and the earliest appt was for 5 weeks, so my roadworthy would not be valid. Had to ring and beg to get an earlier appt, in 4 weeks. The existing rego (not in my name) is expiring this weekend so now I have a car, roadworthy, transfer forms and money for registration and won't be able to drive it for 3 weeks due to Vicroads backlog. I was also surprised Vicroads advised me i don't need temp rego for the day of the appt. I assumed i'd need it to drive the car there. I just need confirmation of the appt.

    • Muzeeb on 18/03/2021 - 11:44

      Try a regional VicRoads outlet. Might not be the most convenient but could save you money in the long run.

      • Pina on 18/03/2021 - 12:12

        The guy in the call centre was helpful, even looking regional earliest was Seymour in 4 weeks. Ended up Frankston on day 29 from roadworthy date. I'm going to try going to an office tom, at least if i can get the rego transfer before the current expires I don't mind driving anywhere in Vic for an inspection. Just one of those left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. When booking online it says I don't need to bring the car for an inspection, when speaking on the phone he says i do. I really just thought it was a case of walking in, waiting in line, providing all the docs, a bag of money and off you go.

        • Mark1159 on 18/03/2021 - 15:13

          Melbourne mate recently drove to Swan Hill for this. All ok

          • Pina on 18/03/2021 - 18:44

            @Mark1159: Hey Mark, did you just run the risk or know they'd see you. Having a look at reginal I'd drive to Shep or Ballarat tom but Swan Hills a long long way to get knocked back.

    • richmond12 on 19/03/2021 - 10:13

      Vicroads is light years behind NSW

      I had to change my license and rego from nsw to vic. Took weeks for appointments and they were separate! Plus a admin fee.

      Nsw was instant and no fee

    • smoothymcmellow on 29/03/2021 - 07:37

      This, I bought a new car last weekend from NSW (so little supply at the moment and only certain build dates were eligible for 1.9% finance). Dealer said we just sell it to you unregistered, give you a temp rego and you can do it all in VIC.
      In VIC new cars still require an inspection to register. Earliest VicRoads inspection date is end of April.
      So it's going to be sitting in my driveway until VicRoads can tick a box, meaning I need to continue the mad dash from work to get my daughter from childcare with a mix of trains, bike riding, walking.
      How do they not review other states processes and streamline this? If its a revenue hit, keep the charges, I'm sure everyone will happily pay the same amount to have it all done online.

      • Euphemistic on 29/03/2021 - 08:56

        Sounds like you should have got local rego, then transferred it.

      • smoothymcmellow on 29/03/2021 - 16:50

        Someone must have cancelled and ended up finding a closer appointment, very lucky but saved a couple of weeks

  • Lastchancetosee on 18/03/2021 - 11:20
    +3

    I'm mystified as to why it is legal to drive an unregistered vehicle in daylight but not at night. If anything, there are fewer cars on the road at night, so a lower accident risk. Might be a hangover from horses and carriages 😉. Surely for consistency, all vehicles on the road should be registered no matter the hour.

    In SA there is an app (Ezyreg) where you can register your vehicle 24/7 in about two minutes, so no need for interim permits.

    • Muzeeb on 18/03/2021 - 11:40
      +7

      I'm mystified as to why it is legal to drive an unregistered vehicle in daylight but not at night.

      Because this permits is for unregistered and assumed unroadworthy vehicles. ie. Headlights and tail/brake lights might not work

      In SA there is an app (Ezyreg) where you can register your vehicle 24/7 in about two minutes, so no need for interim permits.

      This has nothing to do with OP. Completely different set of circumstances.

      • Lastchancetosee on 19/03/2021 - 11:46
        +1

        It seems relevant. The OP wouldn't 6 the problem if all vehicles needed to be registered to be on the road.

        The sunset clause is arbitrary. If the vehicle can be driven on the road when it's not roadworthy, what is the difference between 12 hours and 24 or longer?

    • SlickMick on 18/03/2021 - 22:23

      SA does have a better transport department. You can also have an unregistered trailer and just register it for a short period when required. (I don't recall how short - it might have been called seasonal registration, so maybe not just for a day.)

    • Tleyx on 19/03/2021 - 13:20

      If its unregistered its more likely to be unroadworthy so better to be during day when less likely to cause collision

  • Hithere on 18/03/2021 - 11:41
    +2

    why it is legal to drive an unregistered vehicle in daylight but not at night.

    Maybe if the vehicle is unregistered and unroadworthy it's assumed that all the lights may not be working properly.

    It's probably a law in Victoria that goes back a long time and may have been relevant once but it's never been updated.

  • OzHunterNSW on 18/03/2021 - 14:36

    Pay Up!
    What next… I went to the drive in, which was just around the corner, then we went to McDonnell's.

    You should have driven straight home….

    • CocaKoala on 18/03/2021 - 20:10

      The burger deal was too good to pass.

  • esty on 18/03/2021 - 15:34
    +1

    What else is there to suggest? You broke a clear and simple rule…

  • AustriaBargain on 18/03/2021 - 20:14
    +1

    You didn’t have to wash your car bro.

  • adn on 18/03/2021 - 22:36
    +1

    Go to court. Explain your situation, see if the judges budges. If not, buy some crypto and make your money back.

  • Ziggy28 on 19/03/2021 - 00:10

    OP hasn't stated the exact day and time he was caught/fine issued. If it was before the sunset time stated on

    https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/australia/melbourne

    then legally he has a case to fight. If he was caught after the sunset time, just pay up.

    • lethalmoney on 19/03/2021 - 16:04

      not being driven within the permit anyway. He has nothing to fight.

  • Kranbone on 19/03/2021 - 01:50

    Ignorance is not an excuse. Pay the fine and use it as a lesson.

  • greatlamp on 19/03/2021 - 07:47

    You could write and ask for an official warning, but beware, they are usually strict about the conditions these are given (usually need to convince them the law was not applied correctly)

    I would say skip the letter and go straight to court, otherwise the content of the letter could be used to prepare the case against you.

  • dcash on 19/03/2021 - 08:29

    Very bad luck. I always just drive my unregistered vehicles home without a permit.

    • Fredorishi on 19/03/2021 - 08:45

      Lol. Better be careful the Ozbargain police don't report you!

      • dcash on 19/03/2021 - 08:52

        Haha yeah, they can be a bitter bunch of old farts at the best of times, can't they xD

        • Fredorishi on 19/03/2021 - 09:06
          +1

          Unbelievably precious. I think the op was stiff in the first place, but saying he shouldn't even apply for a warning is just petty.

  • Blitz001 on 19/03/2021 - 09:49
    +2

    Lol that’s some 1902 Western rules there. Surprised it didn’t say “Dawn til Dusk, partner”.

  • picklewizard on 19/03/2021 - 10:48
    +1

    If you were legitimately doing RWC work, then I'd say fight it… dude you were just washing it. You rolled the dice and lost.

  • cashless on 19/03/2021 - 11:54

    Lucky you didn't cop demerit points as well

    • Fredorishi on 19/03/2021 - 18:04

      There's good reason this offence doesn't incur points. Its little more than an administrative error.

  • axlfan on 19/03/2021 - 15:13

    Wow in the 5 years I have owned my car, I have washed it just once at a car wash. Rest of the times it gets washed during service.
    i.cannot.fathom.this.

    What possessed you to drive it to the car wash with UVP? What was so urgent?

    • pizzip on 20/03/2021 - 14:23
      -1

      You let the dealer wash your car with a dirty sponge and water that probably hasn't been changed since washing the past 10 cars they had in? No wonder you can't fathom going to a car wash.

      • axlfan on 21/03/2021 - 10:03
        -1

        Np my car looks great to me. At least I didnt cop a fine by trying to wash it at night.

  • axlfan on 19/03/2021 - 15:14

    Also I guess vampires are attracted to unregistered vehicles and so there's the precaution.

  • lethalmoney on 19/03/2021 - 16:03

    conditions of permit include -
    driven during daylight - fail.
    Driven to or from RCV or authorized place of repair - fail.

    An unregistered vehicle permit is not temporary registration. It is a means to move a vehicle from point A to B for the purpose of obtaining registration / roadworthiness.

    Washing your car is not in any way part of the permit.

  • Maxxjet on 19/03/2021 - 19:32

    Thanks OP, unless the auction house told me so, I would never think a permit has such restriction, and can get fined easily. Maybe there are technical reasons for such clause but you never know. Best is to vocie your concer to your state MP. The police was doing their job and, while he/she could show a bit discretion, there is nothing wrong and I doubt their bosses would like to miss a revenue collection opportunity let along $900.

  • OzzyOzbourne on 19/03/2021 - 20:19

    Doubt you have much choice other than paying up, but I'm intrigued as to what happens after sunset that made vicroads stipulate that the permit becomes invalid. Probably their crap permit system which means police can't easily see it at night (although they'll also be unable to see it in the fog, rain or from greater than 2m away during the day) . Instead of improving the system, they just introduced a retarded restriction, which they can make money from in fines.

  • DiLs on 19/03/2021 - 22:54
    +1

    Get department of meteorology involved and sue the sun for setting

  • Jackson on 20/03/2021 - 08:57

    All these responses and only one lousy comment from the OP that doesn't clarify anything. There could be a wager on how many comments an OP makes on his own post if its in any way a check on morals or behavious, usually none or one

  • TheBird on 20/03/2021 - 13:07
    -1

    are there any options for me to get out of this?

    It's not an option I'd consider, but I understand you can elect to spend time in jail instead of paying the fine. If the idea of free accomodation and food, and the prospect of free sex appeals, it might be an option you should consider.

  • Narull on 20/03/2021 - 14:19
    +2

    These posts are becoming more and more common.

    "I broke the law, I know I broke the law, how do I get out of my fine for breaking the law?"

    Why do people come to a bargain site thinking they will get tips for getting out of fines? that's not a bargain, you broke the law pay the fine, simple as that.

  • Dontdoit on 20/03/2021 - 18:54
    -2

    Hey OP I had to use a vic unregistered permit and got it on on 2/2/21.

    There is nothing in the conditions about not driving the car after sunset.

    Does your permit say that?

    • pegaxs on 21/03/2021 - 10:59
      +1

      Vic Unregistered Vehicle Permit

      Step 4;

      • The vehicle can only be used on the road between sunrise to sunset
      • Dontdoit on 21/03/2021 - 15:26

        That is not on your permit through is it?

        There is nothing on the printed permit about driving the car after sunset.

        That could be part of your argument when asking for the fine to be revoked. Along with the other suggestions on this thread.

        • pegaxs on 21/03/2021 - 16:22
          +1

          During the application process when you apply for the UVP (preparation for roadworthy), it says;

          Conditions of use

          *omitted irrelevant conditions*
          5: Permitted purposes:

          Preparation for Registration in Victoria

          The vehicle may be driven for any of the following purposes:

          • To use the vehicle in daytime between sunrise and sunset in the course of obtaining any necessary repairs, modifications or testing to obtain a Certificate of Roadworthiness, a Vehicle Identity Validation certificate or a Vehicle Assessment Signatory Scheme Approval Certificate, or to meet the requirements of the Road Safety (Vehicles) Interim Regulations 2020.
            *omitted irrelevant purposes*

          Your unregistered vehicle permit also doesn't have "don't do burns outs in suburban streets and don't speed in school zones" printed in it either, but I bet you know these are rules you would need to adhere too… Ignorance to terms and condition is not a valid defense.

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