It can't be that hard to use automatic headlights...

ozbargainsam on 24/03/2021 - 21:33
Last edited 25/03/2021 - 22:26 by 1 other user

Been wanting to rant about this one for ages, but it seems like the perfect time for it:

Cars that clearly have automatic headlight systems without their lights on in the rain/night etc.

My lights are always on 'auto' mode and the only time I have to change it is back to auto because car services always set it to off.

It's even less work than filling up on indicator fluid or driving with self-awareness.

Secondary rant: you flash people to get them to turn their lights on, but it's like yelling at a deaf person because they just aren't aware they're doing anything wrong.

Edit: do we do edits on OzB? Anyway…the rant is about those driving at night or in the rain with no lights/DRLs.

Automotive

Comments

  • Travis J on 24/03/2021 - 22:57
    +2

    They don't use auto headlights or they keep their high beams are on without knowing. Which is more annoying?

    • giventofly on 26/03/2021 - 13:45

      Definitely high beams

  • Euphemistic on 25/03/2021 - 05:53
    +1

    And why do so many people get indicating wrong at roundabouts?

    • Castcore on 26/03/2021 - 01:25

      Why do so many people not indicate at all? Especially while merging.

    • AustriaBargain on 26/03/2021 - 01:56

      Why didn’t you tell us what they are doing wrong and how we should do it right?

      • buckster on 26/03/2021 - 07:39
        +1

        They don't indicate left when leaving.

        They leave their right indicators on the whole time so you never know when they're going to exit.

        They give way when they don't need to.

        They don't give way when they do need to.

        Suns it up basically

        • Euphemistic on 26/03/2021 - 07:45
          +1

          They indicate right to enter, only to take the first left or go straight. They indicate left to enter and then go right.

          Simplest explanation is: as you approach you indicate as if it’s a cross road, left for left, nothing for straight, right for right. When you are on the roundabout maintain that indicator then as you pass the second last exit, indicate left to show you are leaving at the next exit. Exception being if you want to change lanes - but really shouldn’t be changing lanes on a roundabout. Might be legal, but adds confusion.

        • creamandpaper on 27/03/2021 - 08:32
          +1

          damn that's me. I didn't realise I had to indicate when leaving. Usually at small roundabouts its pretty obvious but I guess at big ones that can be pretty useful

          • SgtBatten on 27/03/2021 - 11:16

            @creamandpaper: It's the law, agree most don't at small ones but it's not the point.

            • creamandpaper on 27/03/2021 - 11:21

              @SgtBatten: Yeah I just wasn't aware of it. Weird that it's not on the VicRoads computer test or any of my driving instructors advised Ng me on this since I lived in a roundabout heavy suburb….

              Also wasnt penalised on driver's test because I for sure did a roundabout or 2 during it. This conspiracy goes way to the top!

              It might be a law but id be interested in knowing how many people actually are aware of the rule. Might need a PSA campaign

              • buckster on 27/03/2021 - 18:03

                @creamandpaper: Likewise I don't remember ever being told about it, not even by instructors or parents.

                I feel it's not taught, older people who knew get lazy, so only a small few do it. But if everyone did, accidents at roundabouts would drop significantly

    • Scrooge McGoose on 26/03/2021 - 16:07
      +3

      Don't trust someones indicator or lack of. Look at where the car is on the road and where you think it's going.

      • Euphemistic on 26/03/2021 - 17:36
        +1

        I put my years of driving, cycling roads and walking virtually incident free down to that very principle.

        When they use indicators properly it leads to less emergency braking though.

  • pinchies on 25/03/2021 - 06:03
    +1

    Also: people who can't tell the difference between headlights and fog lights….

    • mini2 on 25/03/2021 - 08:36
      +1

      Add to that list, people who can't tell the difference between DRL and headlights.

  • elgrande on 25/03/2021 - 06:14
    -5

    Automatic headlights are for people who can't think for themselves.

    Do you have automatic lights at home?

    • dasher86 on 25/03/2021 - 08:01
      +1

      Yes.
      Some security lighting, and also popular to auto dim light to the bathroom.

    • mini2 on 25/03/2021 - 08:36

      Yep and lights connected to automation. So what's the question again?

      • Castcore on 26/03/2021 - 01:26

        I believe the question was if you have automatic lights at home and I believe you answered it.

    • Ghost47 on 25/03/2021 - 19:55

      I would love automatic lights at home. Walk into a room and the lights turn on. Now that’s what “rich” is.

      • buckster on 27/03/2021 - 18:03

        That and having a golden toilet

  • Brian McGee on 25/03/2021 - 08:10
    +10

    The problem here is the dashboards that light up in any condition, old cars only lit up when the lights were on, now with actively lit/digital/tv screen type instument clusters you can always see the speedo and get no indication (at least on main roads) that your lights may be off.
    FWIW I drive with my headlights on all the time, as in the rain silver cars are hard to see, gotta give all the inattentive retards every chance to see you.

    • SgtBatten on 27/03/2021 - 11:17

      When I was taught to drive it was always the first step after turning on the engine, twist the lights on, day or night. Still a habit.

  • Stevek1960 on 25/03/2021 - 08:36
    -1

    Firstly IT IS law to have your headlights on when it's raining.
    Secondly it is AGAINST the law to flash your headlights unless in an emergency.

    • pegaxs on 25/03/2021 - 09:41
      +2

      Can you please cite the specific legislation that says that a driver must turn their lights on in the rain?

      Also, please cite the specific legislation that says you can only flash headlights in an emergency.

      • zwolf on 25/03/2021 - 12:29
        +1

        All I could find from a few minutes of bored googlage was general illegality of operating fog-type lights when it is NOT raining/foggy etc.

        Most states have fines for flashing headlights - particularly/mainly the stronger kinds - as part of 'dazzling/blinding' in instances, but also seems often attached to 'warning about upcoming police/speedtrap scenarios'.
        A "Hey turn your light on" blink sounds fine, as long as you're not 'helpfully' strobing them with the high powered beams.

        • SgtBatten on 27/03/2021 - 11:18
          +1

          No need to flash for cops anymore. Just update Waze.

      • Stevek1960 on 26/03/2021 - 08:18

        Other common road rules

        Some of Queensland's other general road rules relate to:

        You must have your headlights, tail-lights and number plate lights on when you drive at night or in bad weather that causes reduced visibility (such as heavy rain).

        From the NRMA website

        Headlight and fog light use

        High beam is not permitted if travelling less than 200 metres behind a car going in the same direction or less than 200 metres from an oncoming vehicle. It is an offence to flash the vehicle’s headlights unless the vehicle is being used to respond to an emergency. A driver is only permitted to use fog lights if driving in fog, mist or other atmospheric conditions that restricts visibility.

      • whitelie on 26/03/2021 - 08:24

        It's not so much when it's raining but the ruling is something along the lines of "At any other time when there is not enough daylight to be able to see a person wearing dark clothing at a distance of 100 metres."
        So if a police officer deemed visibility to be limited to under 100m, then they could issue an infringement for inappropriate use of headlights or something along those lines.

        Also whilst it is not illegal to flash your headlights, there are a couple of rules that could be applied should the officer choose. They are not permitted for use within 200m of another vehicle and cannot be used to "dazzle" other road users.

      • Stevek1960 on 26/03/2021 - 09:00
        -1

        @ pegaxs
        It states all the laws in the learner's hand book which obviously you haven't read

        • pegaxs on 28/03/2021 - 09:28

          which obviously you haven't read

          You must be new here…

          I don’t care about “learners handbooks”, I care about “current legislation” (you know, the “IT IS law” part…)

          • Stevek1960 on 28/03/2021 - 11:36

            @pegaxs: Current legislation is what is in the learner's handbook, its there so you can read and understand what you are expected to know to drive safely on the roads. Glad I don't live near you if you can't even comprehend the road rules

            • pegaxs on 28/03/2021 - 13:19

              @Stevek1960: Learner's handbooks are not "law", legislation is law.

              Page 180 of the Learner's Handbook says;

              "If it starts to rain, you should turn on your day running lights (or headlights if your vehicle is not fitted with these)"

              With regards to lights on in the rain it says you "should", not you "must", and even then it only says to turn on your DRL (if fitted. only headlights if no DRL)

              The Learner's Handbook (page 183) also states;

              You can also flash your high beam lights before you overtake another vehicle.

              With regards to "only flashing in an emergency", overtaking is not considered an emergency.

              Have you even read the handbook ???

              Before you go out this afternoon, I suggest you read up on it and keep other road users safe from you.

              Glad I don't live near you

              Likewise. At least I have read the road rules and the road users handbook…

      • spaceflight on 26/03/2021 - 10:59

        Roads and Maritime Services says your headlights must be on when:
        Driving between sunset and sunrise.
        At any other time when there is not enough daylight to be able to see a person wearing dark clothing at a distance of 100 metres.
        https://www.mynrma.com.au/cars-and-driving/driver-training-a…

        Rain greatly reduces visibility down to less than 100m

      • ConsumerAffairs on 27/03/2021 - 11:22

        Yeah, it's in the Victorian road rules too.

        https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-r…

    • ozbargainsam on 25/03/2021 - 22:49

      I assume you mean high-beams.

      It's convention to flash high-beams to longer vehicles like semis to let them know they've passed you and they can merge back into your lane. They give you the thank you indicator left/right/left/right.

      • dannyboi on 26/03/2021 - 07:59

        Police can technically fine you for use of your high beams within 200 m of another vehicle for the reason of dazzling other drivers.

        For NSW:
        “The driver of a vehicle must not use the vehicle’s headlights on high-beam, or allow the vehicle’s headlights to be used on high-beam, if the driver is driving: (a) less than 200 metres behind a vehicle travelling in the same direction as the driver, or (b) less than 200 metres from an oncoming vehicle.”

        There’s the unspoken rule of flashing to warn about speed cameras and the above rule is how you can get fined for it.

        • Caped Baldy on 26/03/2021 - 21:38

          People that get fazed by a high beams in the rain during the day probably shouldn't be on the road imo…

          I'd rather flash someone with the high beams with that minor inconvenience than have someone get in a car accident.

    • Stevek1960 on 27/03/2021 - 10:59

      State a fact and get negged, obviously a lot of people don't know the laws regarding the privilege to having a driving license

      • pegaxs on 28/03/2021 - 09:38

        It’s not “facts” though.

        There is no road rule that says “if it’s raining, lights must go on”. Low visibility, low light, sure, but no blanket law that says, “rain = lights on.”

        Secondly, you can use your high beam as an indication of your intent to overtake another vehicle, so that blows your “only in an emergency” comment.

        The one who doesn’t seem to know the laws here, is you.

        • Stevek1960 on 28/03/2021 - 11:46

          Actually your wrong, the law states..

          The driver of a vehicle must not use the vehicle’s headlights on high-beam, or allow the vehicle’s headlights to be used on high-beam, if the driver is driving:
          (a) less than 200 metres behind a vehicle travelling in the same direction as the driver, or
          (b) less than 200 metres from an oncoming vehicle.

          If your flashing to indicate your passing the vehicle in front outside 200mts you would need to be in an F35 fighter jet to get the job done

          • pegaxs on 28/03/2021 - 13:05

            @Stevek1960: *you're

            And because you have finally cracked open the Road Rules legislation, don't forget to post ALL of the relevant rule, not just the part that suits your "facts"…

            218 Using headlights on high-beam

            (2) However, if the driver is overtaking a vehicle, the driver may briefly switch the headlights from low-beam to high-beam immediately before the driver begins to overtake the vehicle.

            Your original statement was "it is AGAINST the law to flash your headlights unless in an emergency." And here is a law that says it is perfectly legal to flash your high beams where is it not an emergency…

            Find any legislation that says "if raining, lights must be on" ??

  • Waltervp on 25/03/2021 - 08:37
    +2

    With auto headlights and dynamic cruise control, Active lane Assist, auto park, blind spot assist,… You still find people who go 20 under the limit when you can't overtake them and happily speed up to well over the limit when there are passing opportunities…. These are often the same people who try turn all safety and assist features off because they are so confident they can do it all themselves. …

  • CtrlAltSpoods on 25/03/2021 - 08:41

    I'm just going to add the lunatics that think it's okay to drive around with their high beams on when they have a single blown headlight…

    How fkn stupid can they really be?!

    • Pulseidon on 26/03/2021 - 10:35

      Knowingly driving at night with only one working headlight (regardless of whether the person is using high beams on or not) isn't just stupid, it's probably illegal.

      • Tnetennba on 26/03/2021 - 15:04

        it's probably illegal

        It is illegal (driving unroadworthy/defective vehicle / unsafe)

    • [Deactivated] on 26/03/2021 - 22:28
      -2

      Yeah, when one headlight fails, turning the one remaining one to low beam, seeing less, and crashing is much safer. :-)

      LOL how would you even know it was on high beam. You wouldn't. It's more likely the manufacturer cheaped-out on wiring design meaning one bulb out = more current now supplied to the remaining headlight.

      • CtrlAltSpoods on 04/04/2021 - 18:57
        +1

        Yeah, when one headlight fails, turning the one remaining one to low beam, seeing less, and crashing is much safer. :-)

        Sure, blinding every other road user is certainly a much better option just so you can see out of your unmaintaind and uncompliant vehicle.

        LOL how would you even know it was on high beam. You wouldn't. It's more likely the manufacturer cheaped-out on wiring design meaning one bulb out = more current now supplied to the remaining headlight.

        I don't even need to respond to this, it is clear that you are trolling.

  • pegaxs on 25/03/2021 - 09:31

    All my car's have only settings to be on. It's either On or Auto. How are they even turning them off?

    • SF3 on 25/03/2021 - 09:36

      You need to get new cars with a off position or take the fuse out :)

      • pegaxs on 25/03/2021 - 10:08

        But I cant "tHiNk fOr MySeLf".

        I did get chatted the other day at a RBT about my use of "fog lights" while driving. On this particular car, it isn't fog lights but DRL (in the fog light spot, where the manufacturers put them). I even told the copper to have a go at turning them off. His reply, "not my car, not my responsibility."

        I tried to explain this to the copper that they are DRL (not fogs) and the vehicle turns them on and there is no way to turn them off. He said he would note it on my license and that I would need to have them checked and fixed before I got pulled over again for the same thing.

        • Muzeeb on 25/03/2021 - 11:17

          Wouldn't the ADR compliance plate on your Italian buzz box cover this?

          • pegaxs on 25/03/2021 - 21:35

            @Muzeeb: Wasn’t on my car, although I have never checked to see if it has DRL. The Fiat does have fogs though…

            No, this was in my bosses car I was picking up for them from a service… he owns a mumblestang. DRL are in the fogs.

            Maybe SlavOz can tell me how to turn them off…

        • Trung on 25/03/2021 - 18:00

          The base model Kia Cerato does this. To make matters worse, there is even a fog light switch, but it does nothing.

        • [Deactivated] on 26/03/2021 - 22:23

          Cars have had daytime running lights for decades, particularly European cars. Sounds like yet another cop who can't cope with being contradicted/has to have the last word to maintain his power trip. Poor diddums was probably frustrated because he didn't get to spear tackle any maskless pregnant women this week.

  • Ryk on 25/03/2021 - 09:54
    +3

    with all the rain in NSW over the last week I started counting cars without their lights on in heavy rain, 1 in 50. High proportion dark and grey cars (the best urban camo)
    1 in 50 seriously.

    • Caped Baldy on 26/03/2021 - 21:38

      I was counting around 1 in 10 though I wasn't out in the super heavy rain.

    • [Deactivated] on 26/03/2021 - 22:18

      So… You saw them just fine in order to count them… so (seriously) where's the problem again? ;-D

  • Baysew on 25/03/2021 - 09:59
    +2

    Cars that clearly have automatic headlight systems

    What makes it clearly that certain cars have automatic headlight systems?

    • Ryk on 25/03/2021 - 10:08
      -1

      <10yr old euro

    • pegaxs on 25/03/2021 - 10:10
      +1

      OP takes detailed written notes on all cars without their lights on, does up an excel spreadsheet and cross references this against manufacturers specific MY options…

      • ozbargainsam on 25/03/2021 - 14:21
        +1

        You two make it sound like it's a really niche feature. It's been available for over 10 years on some models of Toyota, let alone premium cars.

        So if I see a pretty new Lexus, I don't have to open up carsales and check the spec sheet…

        • Ghost47 on 25/03/2021 - 19:47

          Some people opt not to use auto headlights or auto wipers. Why they don’t is beyond me, it’s way easier than having to turn them on and off manually.

        • dirtybigbjelke on 26/03/2021 - 09:37

          MkV Golf has it, 2005.

        • OpayuOnam on 26/03/2021 - 20:22

          You made it sound even nicer, Lexus ES300 1999 onwards had had both auto headlight and auto wipers as standard…

  • djones145 on 25/03/2021 - 10:33
    +4

    i dont even use lights

    Chief Wiggum: Oh my God! It just disappeared. It's a ghost-car! [slams on the brakes] There are ghost-cars all over these highways, you know.
    Homer: Hold me.
    Chief Wiggum: Only if you hold me. [a coyote howls as Chief Wiggum and Homer hold each other scared]

  • OzHunterNSW on 25/03/2021 - 10:56
    +2

    When you sit at a set traffic lights, look around… a percentage are on drugs, a percentage barely passed school exams, a percentage can't read, a percentage can't walk, a percentage, can't hear, a percentage can't even turn their head.

    A percentage can't change a tyre, a percentage, can't add water or oil to the car, a percentage are foreign tourist, a percentage just does not give a …..

    • Ridiculous Panda on 26/03/2021 - 21:31

      What are the percentages?! Don’t leave us hanging!

  • bobbified on 25/03/2021 - 11:20
    +1

    I keep my lights off to save power! 😆

    • Blue Cat on 25/03/2021 - 18:37
      +1

      Oh yeah, those less than 5% power savings are really gonna make a difference 😛

  • MontyMacaw on 25/03/2021 - 14:10

    Must be road rage day again on Ozbargain

  • md333 on 25/03/2021 - 15:15

    I don't use auto because it makes the lights flick on for a second whenever parking in the garage, and I feel like that may be bad for the life of the globes (HID). No idea whether this is actually the case.

    Pretty paranoid about making sure they are manually switched on when needed though. Illuminated dashes make it easy to make a mistake.

    • Castcore on 26/03/2021 - 01:36

      Surely the convenience outweighs the tiny amount of decreased life expectancy?

      I wish I had it in my car :(

  • Wulffy on 25/03/2021 - 15:28
    -1

    I was in a Caltex garage recently during the day and as I was filling up a voice came over the loudspeaker asking a parked car to turn their headlights off.
    When I went to pay for my fuel I made a comment about the announcement and the cashier explained that there had been an incident where someone who had auto headlights had an electrical fault in their circuitry and when the lights shut down it ignited the fuel.

    • OpayuOnam on 25/03/2021 - 17:28
      +1

      That would need the car to be running, which is a big no no in first place!
      Car should be off when being fuelled up.
      If the auto light stays on for some time after the car is turned off you can usually "force" the auto light off by locking the car.

      As for the possibility of just the light "circuitry" causing a fire I'd want some proof as I cannot think of how it would cause fire. Unless this particular issue actually caused a short circuit setting the car it self on fire (the fuse would have blown before that happens) in which case it was an unsafe vehicle and an accident waiting to happen regardless of light state.

      Remember a lot of the things we "believe" to be true are actually false. For example there is ZERO evidence usage of a mobile phone can cause fire in gas station (and theoretically impossible as well due to how low the power of a phone antenna is, or you know the fact that all our phones are being "used" anyway as the data is always on so we would have seen a lot of fires if phones could start fire). Yet every single gas station has this no phone rule and most people believe it.

      Ignorance is bliss. I've also found that some servo staff enjoy the little bit of power/authority they have and sometimes over use it hahaha

      • spaceflight on 26/03/2021 - 10:26
        +3

        That would need the car to be running, which is a big no no in first place!

        The car doesn't need to be running.
        Some cars have a 'courtesy' function where the headlights stay on when you lock the car.

  • Diesmile on 25/03/2021 - 17:51
    +3

    i don't use automatic headlight, because i hate it when your car turns on headlight when you drive under a bridge or small tunnels. so i leave them off during the day, put on manually on my way home.

    • Ryk on 25/03/2021 - 21:38

      why hate it though? why be bothered by it?

      • Diesmile on 25/03/2021 - 21:55
        +1

        Because it turns on briefly for one second, then it turns off. And make a sound on a dashboard , also I don't think that will be great for the lightbulbs' life.

  • etonette on 25/03/2021 - 18:09
    +3

    My car has auto headlights and 80% of the time it won’t turn on if it’s raining.

    • herecomestheoost on 25/03/2021 - 18:33

      Mine too

    • Topdog on 25/03/2021 - 20:41

      same

    • knasty on 25/03/2021 - 21:06

      They should give you a sensitivity setting right?

    • [Deactivated] on 26/03/2021 - 13:25

      Yeah, I was going to say this. I have to manually turn my headlights on in the rain a lot of the time. Even heavy rain on a fairly gloomy day if there is just enough light about. If the kids are carrying on or there's another distraction it may not dawn on me until I see another car with their lights on to check the dash to double-check if mine went on automatically. I can imagine a lot of people either don't realise or don't remember to check when they're expecting auto mode to be doing it for them.

      2017 Subaru - so not exactly an old car.

  • Blue Cat on 25/03/2021 - 18:34
    +1

    I wanted to write a rant about this for ages!!!

    Can someone from their personal point of view PLEASE explain why they DON'T TURN ON HEADLIGHTS DURING HEAVY RAIN???
    In the last year I had 2 close-calls of accidents where the other person had no headlights on and it was pissing buckets of rain and I wanted to drive into their lane, and then they have the AUDACITY to start honking and flashing (oh wow, would be great if you keep them on instead of flashing for 1 second) as in showing that it was my fault. I consider myself a very careful driver and always look at mirrors and anticipate the worst from other drivers, but I can't predict anything if I can't see anything!

    Can someone please give me logical reasons why people do this… are they protecting their ego? maybe they want to show of their rain driving skills? or just pure lack of common sense?
    Or is it my fault for not having wipers on side windows?

    They should just make it like it's in Europe - if your car's ignition is on = headlights mandatory on. No matter the time or weather conditions. If they are not, you can get fined. Would save a lot of hassle and doubts at night or rain or fog (because everyone has a different idea of "sunset", "sunrise", "nighttime", "rain", "fog" etc.), and it would be one of the revenue raising tactics I would applaud the police on.

    And like others said, "flashing" with high-beams seems useless and I assume if they are not smart enough to turn their lights on, they won't be wiser to notice why is someone flashing their headlights at them…

    • bcarp on 25/03/2021 - 20:25
      +1

      I think the Europe & Canadian rules are for daytime running lights, not for headlights. DRLs are front lights only, not rears. Not quite good enough for the rain, as rain requires rear lights as well so cars behind you can see you.

      My car has DRL, and auto-headlights, but the auto-headlights don't come on in the rain unless it's also very dark.

      I think that auto-headlights should be made to switch on not only in the dark, but also at any time the wipers are activated.

      • quog on 26/03/2021 - 16:16

        Some car does that at the moment, saw a utube review. New outback? Xv? Mazda3, cx30? - cant remember but the reviewer was impressed. Only if turned on, not a sweep wash.

      • bargaineer on 27/03/2021 - 11:45

        It probably helps if the car also has auto wipers.

        My 2016 Ford Focus has a specific setting called ‘Rain Lights’ in the settings menu which I think exists because of the Canada regulations.

        The car will turn the headlights on after a short period of sustained rain that has activated the automatic wipers.

    • Poor Ass on 25/03/2021 - 23:49
      +1

      Ya there's no rule for mandatory headlights in Europe during the day unless unsafe / rain. Maybe daytime lights?

    • Caped Baldy on 26/03/2021 - 21:40

      Can someone please give me logical reasons why people do this… are they protecting their ego? maybe they want to show of their rain driving skills? or just pure lack of common sense?

      Poor driving skills and their god given belief that they don't do anything wrong.

  • Pangtheob on 25/03/2021 - 18:35
    +2

    I drive with my headlights on at all times. I can’t think of a good reason I would ever turn them off.

    • DJR9000 on 26/03/2021 - 08:20

      just more money on bulbs if you have halogens, you can get long life ones but they put out less light so not a great idea. LED ones, go for it…

  • TRANCE on 25/03/2021 - 18:52

    My 2020 Corolla has auto headlights, they don't turn on when its raining or slightly dark, I have to turn them on manually, unless it's quite dark they don't turn on.

    • DJR9000 on 26/03/2021 - 08:19
      +1

      you can get the dealership to change the setting next time it's in for service. last time i checked it had 5 levels and they keep it in the middle, you can make it more sensitive.

      might even be in the setup menu on the infotainment display nowadays, last corolla i had was an '08 and it was a dealer setup thing.

  • Ghost47 on 25/03/2021 - 19:43

    Lol I knew you were in Sydney the moment I saw the thread title. Sydneysiders suck at driving I don’t know what’s wrong with your driver ed up here but it’s just appalling.

    Me, I use auto lights all the time and similar to you I only need turn them on when I’ve serviced the car and the mechanic turned them off. The amount of people I see driving in Sydney without headlights on at night is just stupid.

  • DoctorCalculon on 25/03/2021 - 19:52

    indicator fluid

    WTF is this? Did you mean washer additive?

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