It’s cheaper than before and not bad value. It’s an Amazon US, so free delivery for Prime Members.
From my ozbargain learning this week, I think this might be able to get shucked.
CamelCamelCamel.
Most likely a SMR drive tho
I see
Seagate is SMR, this WD is CMR.
I assume CMR drives a better ??
no doubt
As usual it depends.on the usage.
SMR is better for data storage (mostly reading data), CMR is better as a PC hard drive (i.e. continually read/writing).
https://www.reichelt.com/magazin/en/smr-cmr-which-hard-drive…
@M00Cow: Not quite correct - SMR is not better at data storage. It's only as good as CMR at this particular task (and worse at everything else).
@Nom: +1 what Nom said.
SMR is worse in every way, and one should only buy SMR when price is low and the use case is literally to store anything that is non-important, "if you lost it it won't hurt" sort of file like random movies
stay tuned, 18tb's will be coming back soon!
Imagine losing 18tb of data
Imagine imagining
Imagine not backing up
Imagine backing up 18TB from a dying drive at 100Mb/s.
Imagine only having 1 drive.
Finger crossed they come back soon, I need about 400tb
What you really need is a keyboard with working Del key.
One hour of 8K RedCode Raw 75 amounts to 7.29 TB. That’s 121.5 GB per minute for raw 8K footage.
@asa79: Wrong forum pal. If you do that for living you should be able afford 500TB SSD storage array. If you don't - see above.
Guessing upgrading movie collection to 8K
well gamers hate crypto miners for stealing their gpus, so i'm moving to mining with HDD
Word to the wise: run an integrity check on any Elements drive before you start dumping data on it. I received a 14TB last month and it was sitting at 88.8% out of the box. After completing an integrity check it dropped to 80.3%. I have since returned it for the Seagate 14TB, which came in at 100% out of the box and 100% once it completed the integrity check.
An anecdotal comment from another OZB member the other week:
"I heard that they make these drives from the enterprise drives that fail the demanding test, so from the start they are not the freshest fruit in the market stall.
What's the best way to test?
The drive should have wd's own disk checking tool on it. Think they renamed it to wd dashboard.
this is also how they make CPU's…
the ones that fail at 4Ghz are re-labelled 3Ghz
normal practice, move on…..
Id say cpu binning at least has guaranteed performance and cpu is pretty rare, even with 24/7 operation. For integrity of a drive to drop so drastically isnt acceptable and definitely worth checking before commiting to long term use of the drive.
Hard drive binning also has guaranteed performance - the 88.8% drive was faulty out of the box 👍
Even if your drive was binned as a lesser model, it should still be 100% healthy !
Clearly, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. If you did, you wouldn't be comparing a hard drive integrity failure to a CPU that didn't make the cut.
elements are cheap for a reason.
Do SSD's or HDD's use more power?
HDD's use more power
Are you sure of this? My laptop uses more than twice the amount of power after switching to SSD. This is a idle. HDD used less and the amount of power it used was stable and didn't jump around like the SSD did.
Sounds like you're constantly reading and writing to the SSD.
@Trance N Dance: No, am not. At idle. Task manager shows 0% usage. I also left it there for a while to settle down.
@[Deactivated]: SSD's absolutely use less power. Unless you've got a defective drive then the increased power usage is not the fault of the SSD.
Your laptops power usage has doubled after installing an ssd? That seems very unlikely and not the fault of the ssd.
Literally, SSDs is just flash memory. Few milliamps. Hard Disks have to run on hot mechanical disks that spin.
@Orico: Few milliamps? You mean few hundred milliamps, don't you?
I just checked my 512GB Toshiba SSD and it says 680mA, about the same as average 2.5" thin HDD.
if you have a HDD that's very slow, your CPU will have to idle long enough to ensure all data load into RAM before it can start process anything.
congratulations that your CPU don't need to idle that long anymore.
HDDs
No idea why it's not the case.
Because it absolutely is the case. Your anecdotal reference above is affected by something else.
@Hybroid: Like what? Both are at idle. Have nothing else running. Screen is off aswell. Battery is 100%.
@[Deactivated]: No idea as cannot diagnose issues without psychic powers but it's not the SSD unless yours has a specific fault. Could be another background task. Could be degraded battery. Could be incorrect system reporting. Could be software bug. Could be memory leak sapping power. Could be just your perception. Could be pixies. You'll need to troubleshoot or give it to someone to do so. Alternatively, do an SSD full scan check and re-install OS from scratch as new.
@Hybroid: Both have fresh custom installs. No background tasks. Not degraded battery. Not incorrest system reporting. No software bug. Memory leak sapping power, maybe? What's this, no idea what it is. Not my perception. That's what the wattmeter reads.
@[Deactivated]: I noticed when I went from HDD to SSD that my CPU utilisation went up as the HDD bottleneck had gone. Could the higher power consumption be due to the CPU running background processes at a higher rate?
@DJSmelly: My petrol usage went up after I switched from cement tires on my car too!
Rubber is inefficient!
@UnciasDream: C'mon, I'm not trolling. Don't think this should be put into a comedic sense. I'm curious to see what's behind these figures. I haven't jumped the queue, am not proposing that HDDs use less power. Trying to figure what makes it so for me.
The answer is HDD, but I decided to google it and this is what I found on the LTT forums. The numbers will be different between brands and models, but an ssd shouldn't be using more than a disk drive.
"the SSD has an average consumption of 2.7W while in active use, and only 0.05W when idle. The mechanical 3.5" drives, however, have an average consumption of 4.1W while in active use, and when idling, they still use 3W of power. This is to say, the SSD uses an average of 66% of the power of mechanical drives in my system when reading/writing, but only ~1.67% when idling."
You’ve already got a few responses all telling you the same thing. Here’s another perspective: what uses more petrol, a Hummer H3 V8 or a Toyota Prius hybrid?
To anyone who has an inkling of how cars work the answer is the Hummer.
If you’re saying the Prius is observed to be using more petrol, it’s going raise some eyebrows.
The nature of the technology in SSDs means it inherently uses less power. The only possibility I can think of is if your laptop was configured with an aggressive sleep for the HDD, and the entire test period you ran it for was measuring power consumption with the HDD in sleep mode. I suggest you test under load to confirm.
Both had fresh installs of windows. So the configurations are the same. Perhaps it's because the SSD is 1A and the HDD is 0.5A? I always do the same settings/configurations to every windows computer I setup. It's a routine for me.
I see you’re sticking to your guns and not really absorbing what people are saying.
Post the HDD and SSD brand and model names.
Maybe you should contact your SSD/HDD manufacturer and raise this issue to them. I'm sure their engineers would have a better answer than your random "windows" testing.
@r0xz: Manufacturer is non-existent. My testing is at not means right. Not really random. Figures are as is. I'm not doing anything else different on each one.
@[Deactivated]: Please just post the model of each drive so we can tell you which uses more power.
The consumption numbers are readily available, but we can't look them up if you don't give us the model numbers….
@Nom: Vaseky V800 64GB SSD. HDD OEM Seagate 500GB (2015), pretty much same specs to any other 2.5" HDD drive 5400rpm, 5VDC 1A. Both 2.5".
While your SSD can potentially draw a higher current (1A) than your HDD (0.5A), this is likely for a very limited peak burst. Generally you'd expect power use to be far less than an ordinary HDD. You seem quite cluey so I'm really curious why you're seeing a greater power draw. What are the models of each drive?
@sessionzero: I'm really not sticking to my guns. Actually, I do absorb the information. I'm not here to go the other way around and say HDDs use less power than SSDs as that doesn't make much sense. I believe all of what you guys have is right. So I'm just trying to figure our why it's not the case for me. Could be something I haven't accounted for? Could be the drives status?
I did not say that you're wrong, in fact I side with you as almost everything points that an SSD is more efficient. SSD is a Vaseky V800 64GB. HDD is an OEM Seagate 500gb drive. Both 2.5".
@[Deactivated]: Because your test methodology is flawed - @r0xz already said it.
You've set up Windows with your "routine", but this means jack all and might as well be a random test given the number of variables an entire OS brings.
Was the SSDing TRIMing in the background? Does Windows spin down the HDD completely so the HDD was basically switched off? Task Manager showing 0% utilisation with the highest resolution still doesn't mean there isn't background tasks you can't see?
When the Prius is using more petrol than the Hummer, you don't wonder why the Prius is using more petrol, you look at how each of them are being driven becaues the test is obviously inconsistent.
@purpleturtle: yeah thanks.
how would check you check to see if the ssd is triming in bg? nah, the hdd is spinning. it never stops.
which is weird considering set the drivers to sleep after 1 min inactive. u
Was power draw tested with the same release of windows? Different windows updates can affect how much processing power the computer draws at idle and if you're measuring power usage via a wattmeter it's not telling you what the individual components are drawing but rather the entire system.
@Trance N Dance: Yes they were. Same release, installed on USB drive a few days ago.
wattmeter it's not telling you what the individual components are drawing but rather the entire system.
Right. It's the best I can do with what I have. Seeing the power difference when I change drives is what makes me scratch my head.
It's not running anything. Fresh Installs. Same settings. Software wise it should be perfectly uniform.
The laptop when idle sat at 2.2w on HDD, and around 4.7w on SSD.
Wish I could hand you the laptop and the drives. Getting smashed over here… I might be a nutmeg but I'm no sparkie and this is probably the best "test" I can do with what I have. You probably think I'm mucking something up, but seriously both drives got a fresh install of windows, did not make any differences in settings.
The readings might be right as HDD is 5VDC 0.55A. SDD is 5VDC 1A.
It would be great if any of you physically measured a similar set up hands-on. Google is great, but it may or may not always be the case. Hence, the readings could be right showing X uses X or reading is wrong because X and so on.
@[Deactivated]: Same chipset and graphics driver versions?
TRIM utility installed after SSD was installed?
Same power profile settings?
Did windows update to the same update after each install?
Did some digging and whilst this is a very old article from 2008. Tom's Hardware did find the same result as you are having
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-hdd-battery,1955.ht…
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-hard-drive,1968-11.…
@Trance N Dance: Thank you!
Same chipset and graphics driver versions?
Yes
TRIM utility installed after SSD was installed?
Not sure what this is. Do you mind telling me more :0 ? Will check on it.
Same power profile settings?
Yes
Did windows update to the same update after each install?
I always set up my laptop without connection during activation, that way I can use a local account. After that, I manually go to settings and let it install all the updates. Once installed I pause updates as long as I can.
@[Deactivated]: It is possible for SSD to cause higher power consumption when it get to reclaim stage, i.e. with free capacity is less than 20%, it will create longer disk access queue and that will be overloading CPU, I'm seeing it all the time on laptops with almost full SSDs. It's fairly obvious from performance monitor.
@[Deactivated]: It has more than 50% free and those figures are measured when the laptop was idle. Nothing running.
Yeah could be this.
I've set them both to sleep after 1 min inactive. Think the HDD is at idle but perhaps the SSD is not. You know how to put them into sleep manually?
Yes.
The 12TB at low $300 is about the same $/GB as this 8TB.
Seen a few 10TB WD external drives in the discount bins at JBhifi for $250 lately
Post the deal on ozbargain. Looks like a good price.
And 5TB (forget whether Seagate or WD) for $80 IIRC
That's better than Officeworks for a local price ($292):
https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/wd-element…
JBH site shows 10TB at $434, which is waaaay overpriced. $25/GB is the fair price, it rarely goes lower than that for recent models.
discount bin is totally different to the website… you won't find these prices on the website.
Can’t believe how times have changed. Back in the late 1970’s (yep, I’m an old bugger), I was working with the Melbourne Metropolitan Board of Works simulating the reliability of the Melbourne Water Supply System. The MMBW had an IBM main frame. I remember begging to be able to use 128MB. Yep, MB. And here we have a card with 128GB. Amazing.
How physically large a size was the 128MB, or the full size of the disk?
Sorry, I don’t know the answer to that. But I was only allowed to utilize memory up to 128MB while running my jobs, using punch cards no less!!!
Oh no, punch cards. Computing is so much fun now
What's the future of these HDD.. Or it's good idea to move to cloud ?
With Australian internet i'd hate to hate 8tb on a remote server.
It's one time purchase vs paying about double purchase price every year for cloud storage with 10 times slower access speed.
Anyone know something like this on Afterpay
How do you deal with powder adapter? I guess you’ll get different than AU plug?
lot of people here buy this drive just to Shuck to use as internal drive for their PC/server.
Email wd support and theyll send you an au plug
Mine just arrived,
It wasn't packed in a box or anything, just the satchel.
Bit weary if it got tossed around during transit now.
Going to run it for a pre-check now.
How was it? Mine is arriving today.
preclear passed,
second one arrived today and same packaging. Just the satchel, no box and air bags
@impoze: Ahh I get what you mean now. It might have been bashed around coming from Murica. but I think maybe the inner packaging is pretty study. fingers crossed
https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B07DQBFQ2D/
Seagate is cheaper rn