The OZB Community Needs to Get off It's High Horse

I have been a part of this community for the longest time and finally, the straw has broken the camel's back. (long time guest, finally made an account to say how I feel)

What I mean by this is I read so many people's questions and the comments that people post with stupid remarks like "well, it's your fault for not looking into it more" or "have you tried googling it?"

If you are here, reading this, or someone else's question, people are reaching out for real-world help or remarks. If you see something and think "Derp, maybe just be better!" cool, keep it to yourself. You are not helping a single person, your existence (if you feel this is the input you need to give) is not of value to the community or anyone.

So just don't! Not only do you waste everyone's time but also your own.

Can we all please just agree that if someone asks something or just anything if your response is "Imma just be a jerk because my life sucks." Just don't. For everyone's sake.

I would love for a discussion to come from this to tell me otherwise or that people who write these types of comments to be able to justify the value that they bring to these types of comments.

Comments

  • Nice to see you participating and contributing to this site in such a positive manner…

    /s

    What you obviously haven't seen, while being a guest, is the sheer quantity of people who post and want the work done for them - want products to be found without prior research, best prices obtained without getting any themselves, etc etc. It's a daily occurrence here so yes, of course people will get sick of seeing it continually.

    Not only that but these members are often non-participants. They'll sign up, get their answer, then bugger off without a reply, never to be seen again.

    Take for example your post here. Of all the deals you've benefited from, you felt the need to join just to post this. Not to thank any of the deal posters, but to attack members

    Yet the active members here are the 'jerks'?

    Take a look in the mirror

    • Lol get spanked by daddy

    • +7 votes

      Not only that but these members are often non-participants. They'll sign up, get their answer, then bugger off without a reply, never to be seen again.
      Member Since
      8 hours 24 min ago

      Exactly… people take and getting a triggered and tell people how to "behave", when they haven't contributed a thing.

      OP sounds like a lobbyist for the said group of people being defended..

      Yes, there are joke post and replies.

      People will find problems, if that is what they look for, no matter where they look.

  • This is a function of the internet and the anonymity that is provided on such forum boards. Comments sections online are generally cesspits, particularly on YouTube and Twitter. It's a lot better here since there's at least some decorum and decent moderation.

    People get different things out of what they do, some do it for entertainment or relief. Their causes are no less worthy than someone asking a question and wanting a quick answer they can't be bothered to search online for.

    Some people are here to save money on items.
    Some people are here to share deals they find.
    Some people are here to find new things to buy they didn't know they needed/wanted.
    Some people are here to peddle their self-promotion wares.
    Some people are here to engage with a community.
    Some people are here as a time-waster to help them through the day.
    Some people are here to reinforce their opinions on others.
    Some people are here to justify their purchases/buyers remorse.
    Some people are here to get car/driving/fine/relationship/whatever advice.
    Some people are here for Eneloops, KFC Nuggets or Tesla deals.
    Some people are here for next drop of PS5 or GPU stock.
    Some people are here……..
    To each their own.

    No one here is obliged to respond or 'be helpful' in the same way we don't need to indulge their trolling either if we didn't want to. There's no need to gatekeep based on your opinion. Just move on.

    • i'm just here to make inappropriate jokes.

    • Some people are here to save money on items.
      Some people are here to share deals they find.
      Some people are here to find new things to buy they didn't know they needed/wanted.
      Some people are here to peddle their self-promotion wares.
      Some people are here to engage with a community.
      Some people are here as a time-waster to help them through the day.
      Some people are here to reinforce their opinions on others.
      Some people are here to justify their purchases/buyers remorse.
      Some people are here to get car/driving/fine/relationship/whatever advice.
      Some people are here for Eneloops, KFC Nuggets or Tesla deals.
      Some people are here for next drop of PS5 or GPU stock.
      Some people are here……..

      Do we have to pick one? :P

  • You say "I have been a part of this community for the longest time"
    but Member Since 55 min ago says otherwise…

    I have had longer yawns than 55 mins…

    Typically, "Last Seen 34 min ago" shows you found the exit door as well.

    You don't cite any examples or reach out to Talk with a Moderator, just make wild claims
    about a Camel and a single straw.

    Maybe the Camel consented, we need eyewitnesses and evidence.

    Contact the RSPCA, there is some good advice.

    If someone was riding a "high" horse through here, I kinda think that might be an OH&S thing. lol

  • or that people who write these types of comments to be able to justify the value that they bring to these types of comments.

    I reckon this is something Google might have the answer to. Have tried looking online?

  • Get off the high horse? Why, is the short horse cheaper?

  • I do agree that every forum should try to be more hospitable, understanding and kind.

    However the flip side of the coin is that no one will miss you if you leave champ so get lost. Losers cry when people are mean to them over the internet. Drink a cup of harden the F up. How do you go about your normal day given how harsh real life it?

    I spent a lot time during the xbox 360 chat days so really there's no comparison.

  • I have been a part of this community for the longest time (long time guest, finally made an account to say how I feel)

    You're doing it wrong

  • What I mean by this is I read so many people's questions and the comments that people post with stupid remarks like "well, it's your fault for not looking into it more" or "have you tried googling it?"

    You forgot "what did they say when you asked them?"

    See, I'm being helpful..

  • Being part of a community usually involves giving back to said community so they may benefit. I don't think you can say you've been part of the community for a long time when all you've done is made one post that contributes in no way whatsoever. Who is benefiting from this post you made? No one.

    • +9 votes

      Being part of a community usually involves giving back to said community so they may benefit.

      What they actually meant was that they "leeched off the community…"

  • +11 votes

    "A part of the community" for 55 minutes! lol

    Is this just a new username for MarksMarkdownMarket?

  • So this was what was keeping you up in the middle of the night?

    Personal attacks are banned, life lessons and reality checks are not.

  • value that they bring to these types of comments.

    ‐—————-

    They bring all the value to those types of comments because they make them.

    Honestly though there are some dumb questions posted or things where people are to lazy to research themselves.

  • Lol

  • Lol… triggered much? I hope there is a deal on popcorn this week.. we all gonna need it.

    Mostly it happens because the question they asked could just have as easily have been typed into google (but I guess google has no use for some ranting back story), from RTM, or just obeying the road rules set out.

    A great deal of the questions asked here pertain to information that is already readily available from the websites of the respective sources of their question.

    Then there is the search button. There is a good chance that their question has already been asked and answered. “What’s the best car under $x0k” is a great example with no context, no home work and almost a weekly favourite.

    Then there are the “spare me the stupid comments” after asking a blatant stupid question.

    Have you tried Whingepool? You probably fit in better over there…

  • Be the change you want to see in the world.

  • OK

    BTW what do you propose.

    Or will you just tell me to Google it?

  • This seems familiar. Wasn’t there a similar thread not long ago about some authoritarian wanting the board culture to change to suit their bubble wrapped view of the world? Perhaps I’m mistaken.

  • "What I mean by this is I read so many people's questions and the comments that people post with stupid remarks like "well, it's your fault for not looking into it more" or "have you tried googling it?""

    And the "What did X say when you asked them" being the trifecta.

    These answers also fall into the "teach a man to fish" camp. Sometimes we're training people how to ask questions ("If you want to know what you should be getting paid, we should probably know what kind of job/qualifications you have to start with") and sometimes we're training people how to answer their own ("Now that we've established you work in a cafe in Victoria, let's google their award rate"). And yes, sometimes we're being spiteful to the (perceived) willfully ignorant and lazy. Google has been around for a decade, kids, come on.

    You're allowed to dislike the way we answer questions but if you're not on here answering any questions of your own, you're part of the problem, not the solution.

  • Ozbargain is the new google search for lazy people.

    • It's Google, but with extra space to complain about why you are having to look for said thing you need to find…

  • I came here for the comments. I have nothing constructive to add.

  • have you tried googling it?

  • The forums are here for us to pass judgement on lesser individuals and pat ourselves on the back for how knowledgeable we are, any genuinely helpful advice given is just a byproduct of that.

  • +7 votes

    damn op. comes in shooting from the hip

    please let me apologise, your thread has made me consider my behavior and has filled me with the desire to change

    ha but in all seriousness, what is your main account that someone called you dumb on? are you marksmarkdownmarket?

  • Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

  • Imagine if the forums were full of post like

    Where can I buy a spoon?
    Is coles open on anzac day?
    What's jb hifi return policy?
    How do I clean my foot?

  • LOL @ 1 report for "Targeted Offer"

  • Time to find baragins

  • Says: "You are not helping a single person, your existence (if you feel this is the input you need to give) is not of value to the community or anyone."

    Also: "long time guest, finally made an account to say how I feel"

    So couldn't you have contributed to the Nirvana you want by providing answers to the questions that were asked?

  • Inb4 DisabledUser9999

    • Lol especially when the username is so easy to google…

      • LinkedIn mentions his skills in customer service and technical support. Imagine the contributions that could have been made since 2007. Our loss I guess.

  • While many people do ask questions that they could have just Googled instead of expecting others to do the work for them, I also notice that a lot of the responses to forum posts here are borderline hostile.
    Like I mentioned here, if someone asks for help or advice because they made a mistake, I don't even have to read the replies to know that half of them will be along the lines of "Well that's your fault, why are you whinging here, just accept it". Yes we all make mistakes and often it's no-one's fault but our own, but that doesn't mean we can't ask others what they did in a similar situation, whether they're eligible to get a fee/fine/whatever downgraded to a warning etc, and I bet a lot of the people writing hostile replies do the same in their own lives. Unless an OP is being super selfish and denying responsibility for their mistake I don't understand why some of the replies have to be so aggressive.

    • But the OP who has only been here for 10 hours 41 min ago has a lifetime of angst… maybe CBT would assist.

    • The OzBargain community values taking responsibility for your own actions and hates when people attempt to push blame onto others or seek compensation for their own mistakes. OP in the thread you've linked to lodged a dispute with the bank after making an error themselves.

      Compare with this poster who came seeking advice, acknowledged their mistakes and wasn't look to blame or seek compensation from someone else. They were met with mostly positive, encouraging responses.

      • I don't think the OP of the thread I linked to was trying to push blame onto others or seeking "compensation" for their mistake. They acknowledged their mistake and asked if they could ask for the charge to be reversed as a gesture of goodwill, something that banks and businesses do often. No-one is compensating OP here.
        The thread you linked to is from someone who got scammed out of a huge amount of money. It was a result of a scammer actively trying to deceive them and the OP was clearly a victim. That's quite a difference scenario to a lot of threads out there where an OP made a mistake, accepted responsibility, and asked politely if anyone had experience asking for leniency, and was met with replies telling them to stop whinging and move on.

        • Where do they mention as a gesture of goodwill?

          "I lodged a dispute with the bank to try and get them to reverse it and do a correction to the credit agency." Keyword: dispute.

          • @Cheaplikethebird: Look, the OP in that thread had repeated over and over that they do accept responsibility and filed the dispute to ask for the charge to be reversed, but yes maybe that thread wasn't the best example. The reason I linked to it was because I had happened to post a reply to it talking about the general tendency for some people to become automatically hostile to forum posts asking for advice. But of course people won't be as hostile towards people who got actively scammed, it's a different scenario.

            • @diamond: They acknowledged responsibility to us. Quite a few people in these forums who are current or ex customer service agents who wouldn't take kindly to having to deal with a complaint ticket because a customer f**cked up.

              • @Cheaplikethebird: As I said, I only linked to that thread because that's where I posted my initial responses and prompted me to reflect on the general hostility I have sensed around the forums for a long time. And we don't know if they admitted responsibility to the bank. Maybe he/she didn't, I haven't read the entire thread of replies there.

                • @diamond: Any forum where people are competing to be ‘the most right’ will have some narcy-ness. OzBargain is pretty tame as most people are fairly educated (I think), haven’t heard about any death threats which are a regular occurrence in FB groups.

  • +2 votes

    Get off It's High Horse

    OP needs to Get off It's High Horse.

    Here's why:

    If OP was serious, should have signed up long ago.

    OP then could be commented, reported or even neg comments, if they did not meet OP's requirements.

    justify the value that they bring to these types of comments.

    Now, ranting and claiming "I have been a part of this community for the longest time", but acts as a silent witness, but always had the power to make an impact… make of that what you will.

    • Like that Scumbag Steve meme;

      “Stop talking to people like they are stupid and just help them…”
      *Calls everyone stupid and has never offered to help out…*

  • Hopefully OP is not responding because he's busy posting helpful answers in other threads…

  • I'm thinking that there are a lot of troll posts lately and unfortunately a lot of people seem to have trouble recognising trolls.

    How about we collectively highlight trolling by using the tag

    #trollpost

    in one of the early comments for such posts?

    Remember, if you don't feed the trolls they go away. 🙌

  • Go complain on stack overflow OP

  • Not surprised about the cold reception you've received here OP. Lots of people can't really handle criticism well especially if it's in-your-face like your post. I see it too often in corporate settings so it's no surprise to me that it would be reflected on OZBargain. Just watch Question Time and you'll see the culture that this country attempts to pervade — attack others and act like babies.

    For a lot of people on this forum it's much easier to simply attack people instead of helping, and calling people "trolls" without giving them the benefit of the doubt or assuming positive intent. The path of least resistance is chosen by the lazy, and for these people it's somehow easier to read a post, and then comment something rude and unhelpful rather than just take a breath and move on — that's what true weakness is. It seems as though these people have never been misunderstood in their entire life because maybe if they have they'd have some sort of compassion towards others or the ability to feel empathy.

    I find it cute people are attacking you for not contributing, there are thousands of people who browse this website without even having an account just to snag/hoard bargains and heaps of commenters who don't post bargains either — yet somehow just because they "contribute" (and in some cases, actually attack others on the forum) it's okay. The difference is that at least you have a backbone and spoke up.

    I don't mind some comments that are funny and meant as a joke but the ones that are rude are just unnecessary. It has been shown that more screen time is associated with poor behaviours in teens so possibly the same for people on this forum.

    Moderators are human too so I wouldn't rely on them to be completely objective either. Keep doing what you're doing OP, dare to think different.

    • Lots of people can't really handle criticism well especially if it's in-your-face like your post.

      I see this more about bad manners than the angle you're taking. When you first meet & join a group in real life do you think it's ok to start laying into them straight away?

      • OP has been lurking for a while, that makes a difference. Of course if you're meeting someone/a group of people for the first time laying into them wouldn't be acceptable, do you really think I think that from what I commented?

        Not surprised I've already got 3 downvotes on my comment either. Ah OZBargain, never change.

        • No I don't but maybe you just didn't look at it from that angle, hence my reply.

          The Op even referred to himself as a long time guest, finallly made an account today.

          • @WatchNerd: Fair enough, I didn't really consider it from that point of view because the comparison isn't exactly 1:1. It is definitely bad manners to just lay into people if you don't know them, but as I said, OP has been lurking so has had the chance to follow threads and read comments and so the criticism is somewhat justified IMO.

    • The path of least resistance is chosen by the lazy

      Yep, you summarised the majority of reasons behind many L-Plater forum posts, hence the replies they get…

      Oh I'm sorry, it's ok for the OP's to be lazy but commenters can't be?

      Interesting

  • Are you new to forums/social media/the internet?

    • Some people prefer sterile environments and want to make your said environments that way.

  • I hear what you are trying to saying but not brought up in the best way. I read a few replies and then gave up as it just confirms what you were getting at. Because it’s anonymous people feel they can be pricks, so it is what it is it won’t change unfortunately.