$45k - $55k to Spend on a New Car - Sporty and Quick

I am in the a bind here and keen to get some input, time to change my small car (Skoda Fabia Monte Carlo) to something bigger and faster. Have a budget of $45k - $55k and have narrowed it down to the following 3

Hyundai i30 N performance
- I think these look and sound great,
- Cannot get a test drive of a current model anywhere in metro Sydney as no dealers have any demo cars as new model is not in the country yet

Golf GTI
- Feel these are a steady option but no were near as fast as the i30.
- Build quality is great but these are $$ and limited numbers coming into Australia over next 6 months for the new model.

Focus ST
- On the fence on this one, it's a Focus and is plain even with the ST kit on it.
- Flat cost $50k drive away
- Heard lots of stories about build quality and issues with current model.

What does everyone think? Or is there something else in the market I might have missed.

Poll Options

  • 310
    i30 N Performance
  • 65
    Golf GTI
  • 12
    Focus ST

Comments

  • +5 votes

    Usual first comment, please add a poll :)

  • +42 votes

    GR Yaris

    /thread

    • +1 vote

      nah, only seeking validation :)

    • +19 votes

      Yep, GR yaris owner here.

      Nothing comes (profanity) close in this price point.

      I still cant believe we got 40k on roads with metallic paint. (Yes, no torsen but still…)

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        Nothing comes (profanity) close in this price point.

        You talking about cabin fever?

        Different class of car.

        Yaris equivalents are Polo, Fiesta (if they still make that) and i10.

        • -7 votes

          Cabin fever?

          GR and i30 are pretty similar dimensions (give or take) and the GR is 200kg lighter

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        How did you get it for $40k on road? I don't see a single one under $50k on carsales.

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    • +1 vote

      I just came to pump the GR some more. Have one, drove the i30N immediately prior and the Yaris is just better.

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        I've only driven the i30N and it goes like stink. But I've heard the GR is even better. Might have to go for a test drive soon.

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          The i30N might have gone a bit harder once rolling but I found it felt cheap, the suspension was horrible and the GR cornered harder and overall felt a more cohesive package.

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            @drprox: Honestly it was a work car that I got to use for a day, and I didn't really have much to compare it with. In track mode it felt pretty good, and I didnt have a problem with hard corners (trackwork might be different). I agree that it felt cheap though.

  • +74 votes

    I'd be looking at a Kia Stinger for that kinda money.

    • +1 vote

      Ooo I quite like the look of these.

    • +1 vote

      ^^^ This.

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      What emblurr said

    • +1 vote

      Yep and you would have years of warranty (either a new mid range model or few year old top of line) left.

    • +1 vote

      Kia stinger all the way.

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      The Stinger is 70k. Not the same kinda money.

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        330s might be possible for the same kinda money.

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          As much as I like the Stinger get ready for 15 lt around town.

          Also I cant fathom spending that kind of money on any fwd car.

          $60k on Stinger yes. $40k on any fwd hot hatch…. nah.

  • +16 votes

    Must it be new? Some amazing secondhand cars for 55 and under… 996 911, Cayman/Boxster, S3/RS3, M140, A45/CLA45, Golf R etc etc

    • +10 votes

      Yeah i would prefer new, it will be my first ever new car and i am in my 40's. Always purchase ex demo or cars 12-18 months old in the past. Now in a position to afford something new

      • +3 votes

        Born in 1977 at a guess Paul H(arrison?) 😀

        For the love of God don't go second hand euro sports.

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          @MS Paint (Child of the 80's/90's with that handle)
          Second hand euro sports, i would only go for something like a ex demo golf r or RS4 Dream Car perhaps. BMW (Wife has 330i) and Merc are shockingly expensive to maintain i feel.

        • +19 votes

          Imagine basing your car purchase decision on a baseless perception of what an incrediblly small proportion of the general public could possibly think.

      • +1 vote

        If you bought used, you could also consider an even hotter hatch like a Focus RS.

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          Focus Audi RS3. Fixed :p

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        Hey, i know you'd love new and i'm a little late to the party but i'd like to add that buying 2-3 years old from Audi or Merc is going to give you a MUCH better vehicle that will be faster and more fun than anything you'll buy new.
        Look at the RS3 (audi) and the A45 (merc) I've owned both of these vehicles and you'll have an absolute blast in either. Pretty much supercar performance for $50k

    • +1 vote

      996 911 is not a sound choice if you can't factor in $10k per year for maintenance as a daily car.

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        Depends on your mechanical ability. I've had my 996 3 years now, and never had to take it to a mechanic as I've been able to fix all the (many) problems which have cropped up so far. Parts surprisingly cheap - just replaced the fuel pump ($150) and fuel pressure regulator ($50).

        However if you're not mechanically minded and not willing to learn, then yes factor in some money every year for maintenance and repairs. Next up is routine changing of spark plugs - $20 each x6, but a mechanic would charge you $600-800 for the job even though it only take an hour to remove the rear bumper, exhaust mufflers and heat shields to get access.

        • +2 votes

          Can you do the IMS yourself? 😀

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        [citation needed]

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      You would be nuts to buy any Porsche on a $40k budget. If the motor goes (and it does, bore scoring and IMS bearings are major problems), you're up for probably another $30-40k to replace/repair it.

      • +2 votes

        Calculated risk is part of all secondhand car buying especially with euros and their usually crappy build quality. IMS more of an issue with single row IMS post 2000. Nowadays it's 2 decades on, lower milage cars seemed to have more risk and if it's going to happen, would've gone kaboom by now. Bore scoring and D chunks another part of happy P-car ownership nightmares. Happy with my bargain 996.1 with dual row IMS and cable throttle, I'm on the hunt for another one (would love a targa) or 986.1. I'd be more scared buying a diesel mazda CX5 than another P.

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          G body Targa is what I would love but more realistic is a 987 Caymans S manual.

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    You may be correct about the i30 being faster than the GTI, but I imagine the aftermarket scene is bigger on the Golf, so if you prefer that, you could throw some performance parts and a tune at it, but obviously not ideal if you're just after a turn-key drive-away option.

    • +1 vote

      like your thinking ozwog, but want to try and keep the warranty on the car, so tuning is probably out of the picture for a min of 3 yrs.

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        so tuning is probably out of the picture for a min of 3 yrs.

        A Stage 1 tune will make the GTI rip the i30N, but you're right to be careful with the warranty. Apparently there is a counter in the software that is triggered with every reflash. Some companies will claim that their software doesn't trigger it and the vehicle can be flashed back to stock firmware in the event the vehicle needs to go back for drivetrain warranty, but the experiences from some people in the forums seems to suggest otherwise.

        • +1 vote

          Its a flag called TD1 that gets registered against your VIN if the diagnostics scan detects that the car has been tuned. Once its on there it can't be removed.

      • +1 vote

        I30 may be faster but at that price point i personally would pick the golf gti just because it has much better interior

        • -2 votes

          VW can’t afford to pay for warranty claims and are forced to cut corners because of their dodgy business practices. I wouldn’t buy one on principle alone, but better interior is a pretty poor reason to buy a vehicle.

          • +1 vote

            @beyondtool: Pretty poor reason? Where do you think you spend the majority of the time when you're using the car?

            hint its not standing outside looking at it

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        I did a Stage 1+ on my 2018 Golf Alltrack and added a rear sway bar. Had absolutely no problems on a warranty repair this year.

        It's got more torque and power than a stock GTI and full Golf R transmission. Love it.

  • +2 votes

    I would say wait for the GR Corolla. Really hoping they bring the wagon in manual form to Australia.

    • +2 votes

      Nah, not a bespoke build like the yaris. It'll be ages before we even get any news. Wait time for the Yaris is still like 1.5 years for a Rallye

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      Can’t wait for the GR Corolla, especially with AWD….

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        Its going to have the same engine as the yaris though?

  • +3 votes

    i30N. It might be hard to find one with new ones due in the second half of the year, but the demo I drove a while back was awesome. Less refined than the Golf, which might be a negative to some, but I think it made it feel faster.

    • +1 vote

      i have called close to 10 dealers in the sydney metro area and no one has the current model in a demo to test drive, so i dont know what to do about it. Have heard many great things about the i30, more raw than the GTI and a firmer ride which i dont mind. I have heard from dealers that even second hand i30 N are commanding $44K +

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        Do any of them have a used one on the lot you could test? Anything in the broader area?

  • +17 votes

    Kia Stinger.
    WRX STI
    Tesla model 3

    • +18 votes

      The Subaru is an absolute dinosaur. Still running the same EJ25 from 2006 (new one coming out soon, though).
      They're a shadow of what they used to be 15+ years ago.

      • +7 votes

        And their styling has absolutely gone into the toilet (speaking as a former H6 spec b Liberty owner). They look like radio controlled cars, and knock offs, not Tamiya.

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        Newer doesn't mean better. You can get the WRX if you want the new FA20 and modify it to a beast.

    • +8 votes

      While I like your list, I don't think you can get a new Stinger or Model 3 under 55k.

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        You can get the lowest grade: 200S for 54k. I would recommend getting the top trim i30N over that though.

      • +2 votes

        Model 3 is around 65k depending on your state and probably makes up for the difference in upfront price in maintenance and fuel costs

        • -5 votes

          Reliability of Tesla is major issue, wouldn’t get one unless you have the budget and time to troubleshoot issues.

          • +1 vote

            @beyondtool: I don't think that's much of an issue anymore, a few years ago sure, but the manufacturing processes are pretty refined now and new cars in Australia are coming from the Shanghai factory, which has had a lot of praise for the quality and lack of paint/panel issues.

            • +5 votes

              @DvApps: It was never an issue. The media like to post anything and everything about Tesla.

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                @jaimex2: It was definitely an issue especially towards the end of the quarter/year, but I do agree it was blown out of proportion by the media, similar to the autopilot "issues". btw I'm saying this as a Tesla investor.

                • +2 votes

                  @DvApps: Maybe it's just me but I didn't consider panel gaps that you can point out and get fixed a major issue.

                  Autopilot works exactly as described. People treat it as something it's not.

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                    @jaimex2: Oh I agree, I just think some people care and I was talking about that.

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                  @DvApps: I don't think you know what reliability means.

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                    @Burnertoasty: Do you? There's a handful of moving parts in an electric car, much fewer things to go wrong, making it more reliable

                    • +2 votes

                      @DvApps: Yeah, and Telsas are extremely mechanically reliable. Claiming otherwise is just absolute FUD and bullshit.

  •  

    Something Red…

    • +1 vote

      Couldnt pick a worse colour than red, than fades to pink in a few yrs of the aussie sunshine hehehe. Would spend half the yr maintaining the paintwork.

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        Yeah, but sporty and quick at the beginning. lol

        • +1 vote

          does it really go pink after a few years?

          • +2 votes

            @capslock janitor:

            ..after a few years?

            It takes much longer than a "few" years. It's more like 15-20 years. Helps if it's not parked in the sun all day long.
            I like white cars, but I avoided them early because I heard they turn yellow after a while in the same way that red might turn pink. But then I realised that I wouldn't be keeping the car long enough for it to happen. So I got a white car.

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              @bobbified: cool we got a Silver car; wanted the darker Gunemtal/graphite, but none left oh well :/

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              @bobbified:

              But then I realised that I wouldn't be keeping the car long enough for it to happen. So I got a white car.

              So the same rationale applies to red cars then.

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                @serpserpserp:

                So the same rationale applies to red cars then

                Is that a question? I did say in my same post that "I heard they [white cars] turn yellow after a while in the same way that red might turn pink…". I just don't think red is suitable for me!

      • +2 votes

        Thanks, I just bought this yesterday, https://ibb.co/VJQy1Cf , LOL.

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          Nice :+)

      • +8 votes

        Paint tech has advanced. Maybe your shitty Hyundai excel or VX Commy but not your new cars.

        • +1 vote

          My VX commodore didn't fade before I scrapped it at 15 years old.

          I'd believe the 20 year old Excel though. Their clear coat was almost designed to peel.

          But to OP, Korean cars and their paints have made huge steps forward in the last 10 years. From what I have read, they are as good and sometimes better than the Japanese stuff.

          • +1 vote

            @AdosHouse: jap clear coat isnt all that great, notorious for cheap and thinnest layer possible