so starting off with mine, I hate those who can't drive at a speed limit when on the right lane or who don't follow slower traffic keep left rule.
and people who don't use an indicator on the turning lane or indicate early while turning.
Just hoping people become aware of road rules and whatnot.
People who drive under the speed limit when there's no reason to.
Huh? If someone is driving 40kph in a 60kph zone and I want to drive at 60Kph how am I speeding?
@EightImmortals: You stated, and I quote:
People who drive under the speed limit when there's no reason to.
I've given you a very good reason not to drive over the speed limit. It is illegal and it costs people money, and can even have their licence revoked.
@[Deactivated]: But I didn't OVER the speed limit, you making stuff up your head and applying to me when I never stated it.
Do you understand the difference between 'at' the speed limit and 'over' the speed limit? Or do you work for the government?
What? Driving AT the speed limit is generally the reccomened thing.
The reason is fuel economy
And road conditions
'Road conditions' is not 'no reason'. :)
And fuel economy? Well I guess if someone has done the maths on the price difference between driving 40kph and 60kph and weighed that up against inconveniencing and frustrating everyone else on the road and getting to your destination later then they're probably the type of people you don't want to mess with. :)
Lower speed limits are on the way. One of the reasons other than safety is reduced fuel consumption.
if there is a red light ahead dont need to go 60km all the way, just coast.
Idiots in right turning lanes who leave a three car gap in front of them. You are behind them and miss the green arrow and have to wait for a full traffic lights cycle.
The ones who aren't playing attention and almost miss the right arrow and only they make it through are the worst.
aren't playing attention
Sorry, was driving while I was writing it.
What's most infuriating is that people who do this (or who are otherwise indecisive & unsure & overcautious at the lights) almost always make it through the lights themselves, as the very last car through. It's like their drivers have a moment of clarity but only when the lights turn amber, for that brief moment of time they suddenly know what they're doing, whereas all the rest of the time they're in a state of befuddled confusion. It's sufficiently annoying that I have to question whether they're doing it deliberately, or whether it just looks that way.
I was once behind an old boy in his shiny new Corolla. He was in a right turning lane, about 10m from the lights with no cars in front of him. He didn't move on the green arrow so I gave him a toot. It happened again on the next cycle, so I got out of my car to check on him thinking that he was having a medical episode. As I approached he must have panicked and took off through the red light, narrowly avoiding a collision. I always watch the nightly news expecting to see his car inside someone's house, shop or office. There seems to be an epidemic of old people mistaking the accelerator for the brake.
You going to pay for everyone's fuel when they plant their foot to the floor, huh?! You don't get to tell others how to spend their money, you especially don't get to tell them to burn their money (literally) while emitting more pollutants than necessary.
The right lane is NOT a causal cruising lane to simply go with the rest of the traffic.
In some states, e.g. NSW, there's no keep left rule unless the speed limit is above 80km/h.
You need to close the gap and flash your lights
This is highly illegal and terribly unskilled driving.
That kind of advice could only come from someone who failed or didn't attempt physics at school and struggles with personal insecurity.
You don't get to tell others how to spend their money, you especially don't get to tell them to burn their money (literally) while emitting more pollutants than necessary.
It's not me telling them - it's the road rules.
And who said anything about planting an accelerator?
This is highly illegal and terribly unskilled driving.
Not sure you understand the definition of unskilled. An action itself cannot be unskilled - it's the quality with which that action is performed which determines skill level.
Experienced drivers with confidence can quite safely close a gap to move traffic along for themselves and others. It just takes focus, contingency planning, and a bit of confidence. Alas it doesn't look like many people on our roads (or Ozbargain) posses either.
And who said anything about planting an accelerator?
Eco driving is assessed as part of the driving test, under Vehicle Control item 5. It is expected you drive efficiently as a fully licenced driver.
@Techie4066: Well guess what? Tomorrow I'm driving my V8 to work and I'm not even gonna turn it off while sitting in traffic. I love my air extra fumy
I'm not even gonna turn it off while sitting in traffic.
That is all well and good, please waste as much fuel as your wallet allows. What is assessed under the driving test criteria is smooth acceleration. You're not going to be able to use the excessive capabilities of your V8 in peak hour traffic anyway.
@Techie4066: Mate, I'm the king of smooth acceleration. Just ask pegasx and Euphemeistic - my car never goes beyond 4,000RPM.
It's possible to reach 80+km/h in a matter of seconds on any car with smooth acceleration.
@SlavOz: Ah I see, I thought you'd be revving your V8 in traffic. No eco button fitted to your car is there?
It's possible to reach 80+km/h in a matter of seconds on any car with smooth acceleration.
Absolutely right. And boy do I just love people that zoom past only to stop at the next red light.
@Techie4066: If there are 2 intersections (or sometimes 3) in quick succession, bet your ass that accelerating quicker is the best way to go. Getting stopped at 1-2 extra traffic lights can add at least 10 minutes to your trip. Multiply that by however many traffic lights on your daily commute, 7 days a week of driving…have fun spending more years of your life in a car just because you were worried about the environment or making too much noise.
@SlavOz: A lot of the time you are just getting to a red quicker. Thee is no point racing away if you have to stop soon anyway.
For best fuel consumption it's actually better to accelerate with a purpose. I'm not saying floor it but you're actually better off keeping the time the engine is under heavy load to a minimum with medium revs and then coasting to maintain speed. What I've heard anyway.
People who need a 1-2km stretch just to reach the speed limit after stopping
Rightio, mate. Not everyone has a manual V8 Mustang rev limited to 4000rpm…
And no complaints about roundabouts or speed zones around road works this time? (+1 for no racist or misogynistic remarks this time. Well done.)
And the rest of your reply is a testament to just how little you know about road rules…
Bro where you been? Haven't seen you around in ages, I've been resorting to toilet magazines to get my daily dose of silly.
BTW I'm still waiting for examples of this allegedly racist or misogynist behaviour. Can you provide an ETA on those?
Thanks.
People who need a 1-2km stretch just to reach the speed limit after stopping. Ffs - hit the accelerator until you reach the speed limit, no need to gradually build up to it.
Race to the speed limit so you can wait longer at the next red light? The classic traffic light Grand Prix.
What’s the rush?
Too many idiots obsessed with travelling at the limit not reacting to the traffic conditions.
Sometimes you get people driving so slow coming up to green lights that they're the reason there is so much congestion.
One car does not make congestion. One car might tip it over the edge, but it’s the quantity of vehicles on the roads that make congestion.
People complaining about slow drivers tend to think they are more important than others on the road. (Yes, I’ve done it too when I’m in a rush)
@Euphemistic: Would it be OK to accelerate at a safe speed that would take 30-60secs to get to a speed of 30kmph in a 60 zone (no road works etc) ?
One car does not make congestion
Pay more attention.
The actions of 1 car can have a lingering spillover effect which causes needless congestion. Not sure where you're watching if you've never noticed this.
No using indicators! As a driver, having someone pull out from a parking spot without looking or indicating, or making a turn, is bad. But if I'm cycling, it's life threatening.
Cycling with traffic that weighs more than 10 times what you do is always going to be dangerous. If you're not expecting every car out there to potentially kill you then you're doing cycling all wrong.
Yep, default setting.
Even the incorrect use of them. I'm a pretty spirited driver, but changing lanes and showing intention - being predictable - on the road is THE most important thing. I leave it on a full 3 seconds before changing lanes or 30m before a corner. People seem to forget indicating isn't for the people you do see, it's for the ones you haven't, or the ones who are about to enter into a manoeuvre which would have you operating in the same space - someone also changing into that lane for example.
I hate those who can't;
drive at a speed limit when on the right lane (a)
who don't follow slower traffic keep left rule. (b)
indicate early while turning. (c)
None of these are road rules…
A: There is no rule about "doing the speed limit" in this lane. At under 80km/h you can be in any lane you want. The lane is for overtaking and there is no stipulation that if you are overtaking, that you must be at the limit, only that you must not go "OVER" the limit.
B: Not a rule unless signposted and usually only for heavy vehicles going up hills on a highway.
C: There is no distance or time requirement to give a right or left turning signal when turning. The only stipulation is; "long enough to give sufficient warning" which sounds more like a minimum requirement, not a maximum…
As for your "indicating in turning lanes" example; If they are in a turning lane, they MUST turn in the direction of the markings in that lane, so even if they do not have their indicator on, you still have a good reason to believe they are going to turn based on the road markings, so this point is almost moot.
Just hoping people become aware of road rules and whatnot.
My pet peeve is people who get all pissed off in traffic about imaginary road rules (based mainly on their own poor time management skills) and go on to say "I wish that road users would become aware of roads rules" when they seem to not have much of an idea about the NSW Road Rules themselves…
A pet peeve isn't just exclusive to rules, it can be common courtesies.
On a side note, would it be breaking the rules if you accelerate at a speed that would take you 30secs to gradually get to a speed of 30kmph from a green light in a 60 zone?
No road rules about how slow you accelerate only how fast. You cannot cause excessive noise or create smoke from your tyres. So that counts out taking a manual Mustang over 4000rpm…
And I get that pet peeves can be about courtesy, but it has to be based in reality and within the boundary of the road rules. You can't reasonably be pissed if the other drivers are driving within the road rules.
So I can increase my speed of maybe 3kmphr every min from 0kmphr/ the green lights and it should be OK. Some people go way to fast these days.
So I can increase my speed of maybe 3kmphr every min
I know that you are trolling, but here I go;
That would come under a different road rule. You are not allowed to unreasonably obstruct other vehicles, Road Rule 125, which states;
125 Unreasonably obstructing drivers or pedestrians
(1) A driver must not unreasonably obstruct the path of another driver or a pedestrian.
But it then goes on to say;
(2) For this rule, a driver does not unreasonably obstruct the path of another driver
or a pedestrianonly because
(a) the driver is stopped in traffic, or
(b) the driver is driving more slowly than other vehicles (unless the driver is driving abnormally slowly in the circumstances).
So, if at 4:30pm on a week day in a 80km/h zone, you were to take 26+ minutes to get to the speed limit, you could be considered to be "unreasonably obstructing traffic". 2:30am on a Sunday morning, possibly not.
There are no rules about people pushing in line anywhere, but it's certainly a pet peeve!
I understand that generally you can't be annoyed from someone following the rules, but just because a rule doesn't exist, doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.
There are no rules about people pushing in line anywhere
There are rules about pushing in line. If they are crossing a dividing line, they need to indicate and give way to vehicles already in that lane. They are breaking rules, therefore you can be peeved about that.
If they are in a zipper merge lane and they are in front of you, you must give way to them. That is also in the road rules and you *cannot" be peeved about that.
just because a rule doesn't exist, doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.
But it does exist…
Does literally no one here read the road rules?
@pegaxs: Sorry for wasting your time, but I meant more for in life, lining up at the registers, lining up getting into the footy, lining up at wet n wild etc etc.
Of course you can. If it's an inconvenience to you that doesn't need to be the case, why can't you be annoyed?
No different to being stuck behind 3 people walking slowly in the shops side by side stopping and starting with no clue where they're going.
There's no rule to how you can walk, but it's frustrating to be stuck there
Common courtesy can potentially be more dangerous than people just following the road rules.
Indeed, common courtesies need to be prioritised eg. Being nice to 1 car vs 20 cars around you when stopping in the middle of the road to uncessarily give way.
Taking 10mins to reach 30kmph and taking a park when someone is reverse parallel parking is not against the rules I think…?
As for your "indicating in turning lanes" example; If they are in a turning lane, they MUST turn in the direction of the markings in that lane, so even if they do not have their indicator on, you still have a good reason to believe they are going to turn based on the road markings, so this point is almost moot.
To be fair, in Melbourne just because they MUST turn because they're in that lane, doesn't mean they will. Although, even if they have their indicator on, that's still the case.
Considerate driving isn't legally required nor enforced, but I agree, people need to stop pushing other drivers around and drive efficiently.
Actually the act says over 80. It does not say 80 and above. Or 80 and below.
So on a road with a limit of 80, that law doesn’t apply.
People who get in the right lane intending to turn and do not put indicators on until last minute, its common decency to alert other drivers of your intention. Also learn to turn bleeping corners. you do not need to go to the other side or center of the road almost stop then creep around the corner .auurgh
My biggest driving pet peev are these annoying drivers.
https://tenor.com/view/cute-after-the-last-day-of-work-for-a…
Road Rule 297 (1A);
(1A) A driver must not drive a vehicle if a person or an animal is in the driver’s lap.
Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.
People who want to go straight ahead at a red light and choose the left lane when its also a left turn lane. Not a road rule against it but there freakin should be.
That's a road planning issue. If the councils wanted to they could make the left lane left only, but they don't, so no matter how annoyed you get it isn't the driver's fault for being there, especially if they're new to the area and didn't know the cycle of the lights.
I have one of these near me and I always pick the right lane there when going straight, but I often pick the wrong lane in areas I'm unfamiliar with.
Try making a complaint to the relevant council about the intersection you wish people could only turn left from the left lane.
The other option (when there are only two lanes) is to stay in the right lane where you wait for all the cars trying to turn right before you can go straight.
I'm definitely going into the left lane!
Where in the road rules does it say you must drive at the speed LIMIT in the right lane? Have you even read the rules!?
My biggest peeve are tailgaters. What they do is not only illegal (following so close they cannot stop fast enough to avoid a crash), but highly dangerous, and intimidating.
For some reason many Melbourne drivers really struggle not to serve left out of their lane when turning right. That is also completely illegal, and dangerous.
By your replies, it sounds like you are being tailgated for sitting in the right lane well under the speed limit
What are your Driving pet peeves?
All of them.
Did you know in WA if you are 21km or higher below the speed limit it's an offence?
Probably unless you have a valid reason is you are a tractor or bicycle.
It is law and yes if you have a valid reason.
Can you link the regulations?
@Euphemistic: https://www.shine.com.au/blog/motor-vehicle-law/the-risks-of…
Road rule 125 apparently. Since neither of us live in WA it's not applicable unless we were to drive there.
@Clear: It does not say 21km/h below the speed limit is an offence, just driving to obstruct. It is also in the national rules, so applies in NSW. Following the link to rule 125 in the link above:
(2) For this rule, a driver does not unreasonably obstruct the path of another driver or a pedestrian only because—
(a) the driver is stopped in traffic; or
(b) the driver is driving more slowly than other vehicles (unless the driver is driving abnormally slowly in the circumstances).
It then gives the example of 20km/h in an 80 zone as abnormally slow.
@Euphemistic: What I was trying to say was that driving too slow can be offence. Plenty of people here are running around saying it isn't, when in some states it can be.
@Clear: It is Aus wide. But you said it was 21km/h or more which is not true, it depends on the situation.
@Euphemistic: I have corrected myself thank you. Unfortunately you can't go back and edit original comments.
@Clear: No harm. I prefer to find out the actual rules when someone suggests something I haven’t heard before. I like to know what rules I’m breaking rather than finding out the hard way.
One of mine is those that can’t park. Especially parallel to kerb at 1.5 car spaces. Sometime it makes me want to grab a set of wheel trolleys and roll them all closer together so I can fit into the wasted space between them.
people who tail gate me on the right lane even though I'm going 10k above the speed limit
Lol, can’t tell if you were negged by a tailgater or by a nanny who doesn’t like you going 10km/h over the limit in the right lane.
haters gonna hate
let's face the reality that most people here don't believe there's a speed limit on the right lane and should be allowed to go as fast as they can.
Throwing rubbish out car windows.
Take a note of the rego and report them. Filthy grubs deserve a fine.
I got annoyed when I saw a bunch of rubbish in our subdivision, only just thrown there. I’m pretty sure the same grub chucked some more out the window further down the road. Took a photo but couldn’t make out the rego, remembered it With one wrong letter. Checked the rego I thought online and it didn’t exist but saw the same car parked outside a house 2 days later and got the true rego. Reported online.
Reported another once and got a call from the EPA about 12 months later. They were disputing the (distinctive) company car had not been there and the driver didn’t have tatoos that I had seen either. They wanted to check if I would go to court, said Yes and they haven’t been back in contact.
When i lived in Melbourne most people drove into perpendicular parking nose first. In Sydney i notice most people drive in tail first, causing huge traffic delays in the process.
Luxury SUV drivers love to do this, and they seem to love the attention…. "Everyone stop driving and look at me and my expensive self-parking SUV".
But reducing delays on the way out
It might be relatively faster on the way in, but it takes longer when reversing out..
Both methods are exactly the same in terms of cumulative time.
Both methods are exactly the same in terms of cumulative time.
Incorrect. The time taken to reverse park is multiplied by the number of people behind you. Going in nose first and reversing out doesn't take up anyone else's time.
So the dude asked what our driving pet peeves are. I understand that I can take mitigating action, but it just gives me the absolute willies when people do it. That's all I was saying.
What I meant by lasting minutes to hours is that if you let them, they'll just sit there because they're oblivious. Meaning that they're not even aggressive drivers, just blank minded. It's so infuriating.