Why are people so clueless at two-lane roundabouts? (image)

SlavOz on 15/12/2019 - 10:33
Last edited 15/12/2019 - 11:08

EDIT:

Close-up: https://imgur.com/a/Uhb175T

Full version: https://maps.app.goo.gl/ma7Z1YhS6xgqyM7k9

I've marked each lane with 1 and 2 for reference. I go past this roundabout every day and it can get quite congested in the mornings even though it shouldn't, and it's only because people are completely clueless and non-observant. Notice how Lane 1 is private and unconnected from the rest of the roundabout. Oncoming traffic from the right (ie, the white Ute) can only approach from a single lane.

Therefore, if you're in Lane 1, you can proceed without giving way. Traffic from the right cannot cross into your lane (they have no reason to anyway). If you're in Lane 2, you need to give way as normal as you're sharing a lane with oncoming traffic.

What completely baffles and annoys me is that, in situations as in the photo, people still stop in Lane 1 and wait for oncoming traffic to pass. They don't realize that they have their own lane to proceed into. Because of that, there are traffic jams stretching way back to the prior intersections. Call me road rage, but I'm compelled to honk at the car in front of me if they stop. They're clearly not focusing on their surroundings and environment so their lack of awareness needs to be pointed out, even if they're just being safe.

If I'm in Lane 1 I'll still look right and have my foot ready to brake just in case another common idiot is doing something unheard of, but otherwise I'm happy to proceed freely even if there is oncoming traffic coming. That's what 2 lanes are for!

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Comments

  • lunchbox99 on 15/12/2019 - 10:41
    +21

    In Qld you don't even have to give way to traffic from the right… you only have to give way to traffic already on the roundabout. Every single day ppl stop in anticipation of someone approaching the roundabout from the right. If they entered the roundabout first, the car approaching from the right has to give way.

    It does my head in that almost everyone doesn't know this basic road rule.
    https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/on-th…

    • D C on 15/12/2019 - 10:49
      +4

      In Qld you don't even have to give way to traffic from the right

      NSW is the same. Old codgers still give way to the right, and they teach the young codgers… it's the roundabout of life as Elton John once sang.

      • RockyRaccoon on 15/12/2019 - 10:58
        +33

        Well Old codgers also realise that when entering a roundabout, it will be the traffic on your right which is going to hit you.

        The traffic in front of you already on the roundabout is the one You hit. (so you are in the wrong there)

        What many get confused about is the one on the right who isnt on the roundabout, and that someone turning right already on the roundabout is also entitled to be given way to.

        then you are at the entry to the roundabout, you see the car on your right hasnt entered the roundabout, so you go, but in the same time they enter the roundabout. So who can prove who entered first? In reality unless there was an overhead camera who knows. So caution prevails and people give the one on the right more leeway.

        And the more cautious (generally older), the more leeway is given.

        • SlavOz on 15/12/2019 - 11:05
          +3

          That would be an issue on small roundabouts where as soon as a car enters, they're basically already taking up half of the damn thing because the roundabout is so small. However, on main roads and huge roundabouts like this, there may be oncoming traffic from the right and there's still plenty of time for you to go through.

          • RockyRaccoon on 15/12/2019 - 11:19
            +1

            @SlavOz: Dont get me wrong, I totally agree with your assessment, but reality is that its not going to change, unless we all go through retesting of our licenses every few years. Even that wont fix all of the issues. We all know how ell that will be received by us drivers. Imagine the queues at Service NSW getting retested every 5 years or so. In California where I drove for some time, they did this and everyone hates it.

            Because apart from putting a police car etc at every roundabout that set up this way, and fining drivers who break this law, there isnt any way we can re-educate them. And that option would take a looooong time to re-educate them. Hell we now need cameras to stop people texting, when its been known for years its bloody dangerous and deadly.

            So look at these issues, pulling alongside each of the offenders you see, giving them the bird or throwing your coffee cup at them, is that going to fix it?

            God grant me the serenity
            To accept the things I cannot change;
            Courage to change the things I can;
            And wisdom to know the difference.

            Of which I still dont get it right

            However the best and only solution is to read Rudyard Kiplings IF.

            https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46473/if---

            Edit - looking at the picture it does show a traffic camera at the roundabout (see the control box, and the camera on the post up high)

        • D C on 15/12/2019 - 11:29

          you see the car on your right hasnt entered the roundabout, so you go, but in the same time they enter the roundabout. So who can prove who entered first?

          That's actually fine, you only have to give way to vehicles that haven't entered the roundabout, which neither of you have. Presumably you are both going about the same speed, so you shouldn't hit each other. Of course you shouldn't be an idiot about, but that's what the thread is about, isn't it?

          The old codgers I was referring to adhere to the old "give way to right" rule, which includes vehicles approaching the roundabout from half a block away (or so it seems).

      • Ughhh on 15/12/2019 - 11:37
        +11

        Yes, it's a race of who ever gets in first. But considering that if a collision was going to occur, you're the one going to be hit, probably on your drivers side. In another words, you're going to get the short end of the stick. Worth it just to be right?

        • D C on 15/12/2019 - 11:43

          Worth it just to be right?

          Yep, first in "wins"

          If you get hit, then it it's a case of you entered the intersection when it wasn't clear. Unless you can prove the other vehicle was travelling at a rather high rate of knots (which you probably should have noticed), it's your fault.

          I ride a bike, I don't trust any of you.

          • Ughhh on 15/12/2019 - 11:53
            +6

            @D C:

            Yep, first in "wins"

            I guess you can cheer from your hospital bed or in heaven. Riding a bike means you'll 'win' faster and easier.

            If you get hit, then it it's a case of you entered the intersection when it wasn't clear.

            That's not the only cause/reason.

            Considering that many people still follow the 'give way to the right', that also means people on your right expect you to give way to them, thus have a high chance of not braking or will abuse you for entering.
            Doing the 'right' thing doesn't mean you're doing the smart thing.

            I don't trust of you.

            Oh dang it! :(

            • D C on 15/12/2019 - 12:22
              +1

              @Ughhh:

              Oh dang it! :(

              I'm also deeply suspicious of people who have their left blinker on in roundabouts.

              • Ughhh on 15/12/2019 - 12:54

                @D C: They were in the round about first, so it doesn't matter.

                • D C on 15/12/2019 - 13:32

                  @Ughhh:

                  so it doesn't matter.

                  Yes it does.

                  People are idiots.

                  Suppose you wait until the person to your right entered the roundabout, and you see that they then turn their left blinker on. Ah, they're turning down the road I'm on, so it's ok to enter the roundabout, right?

                  Yeah…

                  • Ughhh on 15/12/2019 - 16:21
                    +1

                    @D C: Who ever accelerates and enters the round about first apparently. If you think you're right, enter the round about and win!

                    • D C on 15/12/2019 - 19:43

                      @Ughhh:

                      enter the round about and win!

                      Too right cobber. Ya snooze ya lose.

                      Actually since I ride a bike I defer to those larger than me, which is pretty much everything except scooters.

                      • Ughhh on 15/12/2019 - 19:51

                        @D C: The prize is a hot pink coffin! Congratulations!

                        • D C on 15/12/2019 - 20:34

                          @Ughhh: Woohoo! Suck on it losers!

                    • monkeyfood on 16/12/2019 - 01:31

                      @Ughhh: Thunder dome 2 men enter 1 men leaves

              • mickyd on 16/12/2019 - 14:09

                @D C: Well you are meant to use them..

                • D C on 16/12/2019 - 18:21

                  @mickyd:

                  Well you are meant to use them

                  People can;t use blinkers properly either.

                  They turn their blinkers on when entering the roundabout, well they need to turn the wheel to enter so you need a blinker, yeah?

                  So the person at the next lane sees a car coming towards them with their blinker on, think "oh, they're leaving so it's safe for me to pull out" and crunch.

                  You get blamed for not giving way even though it was the other idiots fault.

                  Blinker or not, I wait until the car has either actually turned off or gone past. If @OP wants to whine about me stopping he can go suck it too. At least learn at little bit about defensive driving.

    • Flying Ace on 15/12/2019 - 11:49
      +1

      Problem is that many people on the "main" road enter the roundabout at speed, so even if you have right of way coming from the next road, that person is going to get shitty at you and potentially hit you.

    • MrFunSocks on 16/12/2019 - 11:58
      +4

      While you're 100% correct, it means nothing if you get smashed by a car that's flying through from the right and not giving way to you because they think they have right of way.

      Roundabouts are simple, but for some reason a seemingly huge percentage of the population just didn't learn the rules properly. I'd rather take my time and not get in an accident than be able to roll out of my smashed car with a broken head and say that I was in the right and they broke the rules.

      • lunchbox99 on 16/12/2019 - 12:41
        +1

        I never suggested I recklessly drive into roundabouts. Just an observation that most ppl don't know the road rules.

        • MrFunSocks on 16/12/2019 - 15:40
          +2

          Sorry wasn't trying to suggest you were. Just that even though you can be 100% in the right, you should still always be watching out for other people and assume they're going to do the wrong thing.

          My parents told me the number 1 thing when learning to drive was to assume that everyone else on the road is an idiot that doesn't know the road rules. It's saved me countless times, and it's pretty much true haha.

          • lunchbox99 on 16/12/2019 - 19:19
            +2

            @MrFunSocks: Oh yeah… totally agree.

            I always say to my son that there are plenty of people who were "in the right", who now reside at the cemetery.

    • kabammi on 16/12/2019 - 14:32
      +1

      Same in VIC, same in SA. Same everywhere I think.

  • D C on 15/12/2019 - 10:47
    +21

    People stop in lane 1 because people in lane 2 suddenly remember halfway around that they should have been in lane 1.

    How do you feel about people indicating before / during / leaving roundabouts?

    • SlavOz on 15/12/2019 - 10:54
      +4

      It shouldn't make a difference - Lane 2 can access all of the same exits as Lane 1. Notice the arrows. Lane 1 can only go straight, while Lane 2 can also go straight or continue further to the next exit. There's no reason to suddenly go from Lane 2 into Lane 1.

      • D C on 15/12/2019 - 11:24
        +21

        There's no reason to suddenly go from Lane 2 into Lane 1.

        Of course there is. I'm here and I want to be over there, that's a good reason.

        • UserNameAlreadyTaken on 15/12/2019 - 11:43
          +4

          Changing lanes in a roundabout:
          Drivers may change lanes in a roundabout if they wish. The usual road rules for changing lanes apply. Drivers must use their indicator and give way to any vehicle in the lane they are entering.

          • D C on 15/12/2019 - 11:46
            +15

            @UserNameAlreadyTaken: Quite correct, and well done on the copy & post from the road rules.

            In @OPs picture, whether you are in lane 1 or 2 you cannot enter the roundabout as the white ute is already there. The ute is perfectly entitled to put his blinker on and use the exit on the left.

            People in lane 1 will turn anyway, because "the ute is in the other lane, not mine". Those people are wrong.

              • D C on 15/12/2019 - 12:20
                +30

                @SlavOz:

                If I am in Lane 1, I have right of way.

                No you don't.

                If you haven't entered the roundabout, you have to give way to the ute. Doesn't matter if you are in lane 1 or lane 2, you wait.

                The Ute already has his own lane.

                Nope. He can switch lanes. He just has to indicate, and as there is no traffic in the other lane (as you are not permitted to enter the roundabout) he is clear to move into the outside lane.

                Are you sure you passed the test?

                • [Deactivated] on 15/12/2019 - 15:22

                  @D C: If the car in lane 2 has no indicator on, then as someone about to enter the roundabout from lane 1, there's no need to give way to that other car since there's nothing you can do to obstruct them (from car 1's POV). As soon as you're in the roundabout, if they crash into you when changing lanes, it's their fault (legally and morally) for driving recklessly.

                  However, if they had their right hand turn indicator on (and depending on the layout of the roundabout), you would have to give way since they would be turning over the lane you're about to enter (lane 1).

                  • D C on 15/12/2019 - 15:41
                    +4

                    @[Deactivated]:

                    it's their fault (legally and morally) for driving recklessly.

                    Good luck with that.

                    If they hit you as you enter the roundabout, that means you didn't give way. Even if they're in the other lane you are supposed to wait - "Give way to ALL vehicles in the roundabout", including the one heading towards you without its blinker.

                    If you're the habit of doing that, best get a dash cam that points sideways.

                    • [Deactivated] on 15/12/2019 - 15:49

                      @D C:

                      If they hit you as you enter the roundabout, that means you didn't give way.

                      I never put myself in a position where that can happen.

                      I don't need a sideways dashcam as I drive defensively, albeit not retardedly slow (at roundabouts) like the majority of other drivers. If they are close to where I'm entering and it's ambiguous I will almost always wait, where as if they're some distance away and don't have an indicator on I can enter the leftmost lane and be well and truly in the roundabout. If my entire car is in the roundabout and they hit me, then they're (at least partly) at fault.

                • Austaurean on 15/12/2019 - 15:33

                  @D C: Ever notice the big long white lines, they are not the short broken lines, the big long white lines mean do not cross.

                  The white ute should stay in his lane and either exit in his lane or continue to the next exit. Not cross into the left lane in the round a bout.

                  • D C on 15/12/2019 - 15:42

                    @Austaurean:

                    Ever notice the big long white lines,

                    Ain't no lines where the ute is, he can do as he pleases there.

                  • pegaxs on 15/12/2019 - 16:18
                    +1

                    @Austaurean:

                    the big long white lines mean do not cross.

                    Citation required. Have you got the specific road rule or Australian standard where it defines what a "continuous" line needs to look like? Or how long or short a line must be to be considered "continuous".

                    You will want to look up Aust. Standard, AS 1742.2:2009 (section 5), where it denotes an unbroken line for a "short, sharp curve" to be 9m long with a 1~3m break. (You can view it here about 4 pages in.)

                    Using Google Maps to measure these lines, they come in between 7.5m and 8.5m each, with 3m spacing between each line.

                    That line in the photos OP posted is a broken, non-continuous white line. And Road Rule 117 says you are allowed to change lanes in a roundabout, providing you signal and give way (as you would any other lane change.)

  • caramellokoala on 15/12/2019 - 10:54
    +88

    This is utterly wrong, there are no “private lanes” The rule states that you must give way to traffic on the roundabout, so what if the Ute in the picture decides to change lanes to 1 to exit at the next juncture? That’s right you need to give way.

    The only thing you could say is people are being overly cautious.

    It’s a shame you’re road raging when you’re in the wrong.

      • D C on 15/12/2019 - 11:31
        +13

        You're not allowed to cross into other lanes.

        Yes you are. Standard rules apply, you have to indicate and not hit anyone else.

      • pegaxs on 15/12/2019 - 11:35
        +52

        No mate - notice the lane markings.

        No, the only one not noticing the lane markings, is you.

        Lane 1 has "give way" markings at the round about, therefore, it's not a "private lane".

        If he crosses into Lane 1, he's doing something illegal

        The lines around the round about are not solid/continuous, meaning that people are able to change lanes there. (Albeit idiotic to do so.)

        Current road rules state that you must give way to people already in the round about.

        This is what a "private lane" looks like. Notice no "give way" road markings on the 1st lane and a solid/continuous white dividing line around the round about. THIS lane you cannot enter from lane 2.

          • pegaxs on 15/12/2019 - 12:13
            +18

            @SlavOz:

            If he crosses into Lane 1, he's doing something illegal

            Nek minnit…

            The fact that it's technically legal to cross into another lane

            The rest of what you said is irrelevant, hypothetical "If my Auntie had balls" hyperbole.

            • spackbace on 15/12/2019 - 13:56
              +11

              @pegaxs: You got caught in another SlavOz troll thread huh?

              There's a certain point where you realise this guy is a troll, or just a really immature, self-centred idiot.

              • [Deactivated] on 15/12/2019 - 20:22
                +5

                @spackbace: Slav is the typical greased back hair narcissist who everyone walks away from in parties, that's if he's even invited to them.

                I'm pretty sure he's the epitome of narcissism, I wish he was a troll but I think he's actually genuine.

              • gmail92 on 16/12/2019 - 00:01
                +1

                @spackbace: Spot on; this guy is a joke lol.

        • UserNameAlreadyTaken on 15/12/2019 - 11:57
          +4

          Brilliant post pegaxs. I feel safer with you on the road already. Thank you

        • Austaurean on 15/12/2019 - 15:39

          They are very long white lines not the short broken lines. The intent is Do Not Cross.

          A roud a bout is its own road, when it has short broken lines the changing lanes is as if you are changing lanes on a dual road.

      • Austaurean on 15/12/2019 - 15:35
        -7

        Even though you have been downvoted, you are correct.. the big long white lines mean Do Not Cross, ute must stay in his lane, have an upvote..

        • D C on 15/12/2019 - 16:15
          +5

          the big long white lines mean Do Not Cross

          They do not.

          • SlavOz on 15/12/2019 - 16:23

            @D C: Yes they do, with an asterisk.*

            It means Do Not Cross unless it is safe to do so and you have checked and given way. The Ute cannot just cross into another lane without looking or giving way to drivers already in that lane. If I'm in that lane, I have right of way.

            Giving way means to slow down to avoid a collision if necessary. At the time of entering the roundabout from Lane 1, your lane is clear and unimpeded. Therefore, it is not necessary to stop. You are free to proceed. If another driver then breaks the rules by cutting into your lane, he's at fault. The accident occurs not because you didn't give way, but because the other driver did not follow proper lane-changing laws.

            • D C on 15/12/2019 - 21:57
              +2

              @SlavOz:

              unless it is safe to do so and you have checked and given way.

              Pretty sure I said that. If changing lanes is ok then what exactly are you whinging about?

              Have you watched this: https://youtu.be/sCXtcXD17qU?t=74 yet? It's only 15 seconds.

        • capslock janitor on 17/12/2019 - 19:24
          +2

          There is also a line break in the centre straight after going in, which I interpret as the Ute being able to choose left lane or right lane without indicating

      • dufflover on 15/12/2019 - 17:03
        +1

        You are behind a give way sign so if in a case if you hit someone and insurance is involve you will lose because of that magic dotted line you are behind.

        The only thing you could say is people are being overly cautious.
        It’s a shame you’re road raging when you’re in the wrong.

        Yep. Should be raging on the poor road design like lack of a concrete separator to enforce it as a roundabout bypass lane. Otherwise I would say it's sensible enough for a driver to give way "just incase".

      • goms on 16/12/2019 - 13:05
        +2

        So you're saying anyone coming from the right can't go straight, effectively crossing into Lane 1? Or do they have to give way to traffic on the left because they are in this so called private lane? That's ridiculous!

        https://imgur.com/a/MlhpjNk

    • cashless on 16/12/2019 - 08:44

      caramellokoala is bang on here.
      OP needs to ask himself why there are hashed white line in Lane 1 at the roundabout entrance.
      Hashed lines at a junction mean give way to oncoming traffic.

  • GangGang on 15/12/2019 - 10:59
    +9

    I understand your post but I will have to disagree. I will always come to a stop in that situation. Cars coming from the right may change lanes an enter you lane 1. I've seen it on countless times, if I didn't stop they would enter my lane & have a collision. We know they shouldn't, it happens though. That's why I stop.

      • GangGang on 15/12/2019 - 11:07

        In theory you're right. It doesn't happen though. Cars entering round about in lane 1 will then get honked from cars entering from the right. Not everyone stays in their lane.

        I know this roundabout, the right lane banks up so much that people cut in from lane 1 towards the end of the roundabout, I've even seen people from lane 1 turn right while inside the roundabout.

        • SlavOz on 15/12/2019 - 11:17
          -5

          Then the problem is that we're countering stupid actions with more stupid actions. It doesn't make sense to drive badly just to help accommodate other bad drivers. This is where the lack of driver education really shows. Typical, but I blame the government.

          • D C on 15/12/2019 - 12:24
            +5

            @SlavOz:

            This is where the lack of driver education really shows

            Lol.

            Typical, but I blame the government.

            Right, it's always the fault of someone else.

    • magic8ballgag on 16/12/2019 - 09:26

      It's not that they shouldn't, it's that they don't and barely have a reason. Some people stop and give way at every roundabout (even if there's no incoming cars) simply because they are not confident drivers.

  • whooah1979 on 15/12/2019 - 11:03
    +4

    https://imgur.com/a/Uhb175T

    I know that road. Cowpasture Rd and The Horsley Dr.
    https://maps.app.goo.gl/ma7Z1YhS6xgqyM7k9

    • SlavOz on 15/12/2019 - 11:07

      haha yep - and your photo is actually way better as it shows the lane markings from the other side too! I'll update my OP to show this : )

  • iforgotmysocks on 15/12/2019 - 11:49
    +5

    You will need to stop at the roundabout in lane 1 to give way to cars already on the roundabout.

  • Peter Enis on 15/12/2019 - 11:54
    +26

    Sorry OP, you are the clueless one in this instance.

  • pegaxs on 15/12/2019 - 11:57
    +36

    Notice how Lane 1 is private and unconnected from the rest of the roundabout.

    WRONG! This lane is 100% connected and absolutely a part of this round about. This is what an "unconnected lane" looks like at a round about. Notice the big (fropanity) off concrete median strip?

    Oncoming traffic from the right (ie, the white Ute) can only approach from a single lane.

    This part is correct, due to the painted island. But once past that painted island, they can change lanes.

    Therefore, if you're in Lane 1, you can proceed without giving way.

    WRONG! Please note the give way sign AND the give way line painted on the road.

    Traffic from the right cannot cross into your lane (they have no reason to anyway). If you're in Lane 2, you need to give way as normal as you're sharing a lane with oncoming traffic.

    WRONG! You need to read up on your road rules and learn what lines and signs mean what on the road.

    What completely baffles and annoys me… people still stop in Lane 1 and wait for oncoming traffic to pass.

    Because the road rules tells them they have to if there are vehicles already in the round about.

    They don't realize that they have their own lane to proceed into.

    It's not "their" lane. It's a shared lane on a round about.

    Because of that, there are traffic jams stretching way back to the prior intersections. Call me road rage, but I'm compelled to honk at the car in front of me if they stop.

    That's a you issue, and not a them issue.

    They're clearly not focusing on their surroundings and environment so their lack of awareness needs to be pointed out, even if they're just being safe.

    You are time poor and they are following the road rules. You want them to be unsafe, so you rage honk your horn to get them to go, even though they are being safe and following the road rules.

    At this point of time, I am almost convinced, from this and your prior form, you are just trolling.

      • Meho2026 on 15/12/2019 - 12:33
        +6

        A roundabout ahead sign is orange and black.
        A give way to all vehicles on a roundabout sign is the red triangle with the black roundabout markings.
        There are 2 give way to all traffic on the roundabout signs, one on lane 1 and the other on lane 2, give way applies to both lanes.
        The broken line road markings across both lanes is a give way line.
        You have to give way at a sign or a road marking, there are both here to make it clear.

        That roundabout is intentionally designed like that because AFTER the first exit, there is an additional left turn lane, in addition to the two lanes that come off the roundabout.
        If a vehicle already on the roundabout wants to get in that left turn lane after the exit, it needs to change lanes on the roundabout. That white ute would have to do that. Thats why lane 1 is a give way. Lane one must give way to vehicles needing to take the next exit in the left lane.

        You are right that most people dont know how to drive through roundabouts properly but even though you are convinced otherwise, you are completely wrong about this roundabout.

      • pegaxs on 15/12/2019 - 12:34
        +2

        on page 5.

        Don't care about pamphlets, I care about legislation. (And I already read the Legislation. Remember, I pasted you the links?)

        What you said was "If he crosses into Lane 1, he's doing something illegal". And that is absolutely, 100% incorrect

        Also, where did I say that cars changing lanes don't have to indicate and don't have to give way? Do you want the specific legislation for that?

        There is no give way sign on the road.

        There is. And the markings on the road back this up. (And because you like pamphlets and not actual road rules… You can read what the signs mean here)

        You're quoting rules which were clearly written for single-lane roundabouts.

        I quoted road rules for changing lanes in roundabouts. How can I change lanes in a single lane roundabout?

        You're wrong.

        LOL. no problem. I cite legislation and you just offer a pamphlet that still proves you're wrong.

        • SlavOz on 15/12/2019 - 16:14
          -7

          Don't care about pamphlets, I care about legislation.

          The pamphlet was from Transport NSW - the gov body responsible for setting road legislation.

          And I already read the Legislation. Remember, I pasted you the links?

          You seem to have trouble interpreting the legislation.

          There is. And the markings on the road back this up. (And because you like pamphlets and not actual road rules… You can read what the signs mean here(rms.nsw.gov.au))

          The roundabout sign is a roundabout sign. A give-way sign is different. Just because you have to give-way at a roundabout, it doesn't mean both signs are the same. Like I said, it's the attention to detail you're lacking.

          And from your source, it clearly defines what is meant by giving way at a roundabout. This means that you need to "slow down and stop if necessary to avoid a collision". If both drivers are following the rules, there is no risk of a collision by proceeding freely from Lane 1. Therefore, there's no need to stop. The rules are pretty clear on that.

          It doesn't say you need to stop to preemptively accommodate dodgy drivers who may break the law by changing lanes without giving way to you.

          LOL. no problem. I cite legislation and you just offer a pamphlet that still proves you're wrong.

          Your citing skills are fine. Your interpretation needs a bit of work. You seem to think that "giving way" is the same thing as stopping. You lack the proper nuance to distinguish between important concepts, which is likely why your personal sense of safety usually comes at the cost of everyone's time and sanity.

          • pegaxs on 15/12/2019 - 16:55
            +3

            @SlavOz:

            The pamphlet

            It's a pamphlet, not legislation. You cannot go to court and say "but a pamphlet said…" regardless of who issued it. Not saying it isn't a good reference, but it's just that, a reference… not "actual" legislation.

            You seem to have trouble interpreting the legislation.

            I don't interpret it. I just point people towards it. It kinda speaks for itself.

            The roundabout sign…

            From the RMS "pamphlet" page I linked to above;

            Signs indicate that there is a roundabout ahead, and that you must give way to vehicles on the roundabout.

            The signs next to the road, the big red upside down triangle with the round arrows one means "Give way at roundabout" (kind of why it looks identical to a give way sign, just with a roundabout icon rather than words.). A "roundabout ahead sign" is a yellow diamond with the round arrows on it.

            Regardless of that, those lines on the road, the kind of dotted ones across your lane, they also mean "give way". So, even if those signs did not exist, those lines override anything else… How did you ever pass your written driving test??

            And from your source… (insert text) The rules are pretty clear on that.

            About the only correct and sensible comment you have made. I never said you "have" to stop at the give way line, but I did say that you are required to give way to anyone already in the roundabout.

            It doesn't say…

            I didn't say that. And You have to give way to vehicles already in the roundabout. Other drivers are allowed to change lanes at that round about, providing they do it within the road rules, indicator on, give way and no crossing over continuous lines.

            Your citing skills are fine

            Thank you. I do like to read the road rules.

            You seem to think that "giving way" is the same thing as stopping

            Never said that. You made that up and are trying to inject it as something I said. You can roll right thought that give way, providing you are safe and clear to do so. The only time it would be mandatory to stop, would be if there was another vehicle you had to give way to.

            which is likely why your personal sense of safety usually comes at the cost of everyone's time and sanity.

            Unfortunately, my safety, that of my family and that of other road users and that of the points on my license and insurance policy, trump your impatience, road rage, poor time management skills and inflated sense of self importance.

            Your interpretation needs a bit of work.

            I would say mine is pretty well on point. Yours on the other hand, gathering from all your negs so far in this post, needs honing.

      • md333 on 15/12/2019 - 16:38
        +2

        It is a single lane roundabout where the ute is. The lane splits into 2, and the ute can use either without a land change.
        It is very confusing. They put one in recently near my house to supposedly fix a 'black spot' I wonder if it will actually make it safer.
        I usually use it in the position of the ute driver, I need to turn right, then immediately turn left into a driveway, so I choose the left where the single lane splits into two. I'm always wary of a car coming from the left thinking they can go, even though I am in the roundabout, as OP suggests they should. So far no-one has, so maybe people do understand the rules. Actually I think most people are unsure but err on the side of caution.

    • spackbace on 15/12/2019 - 13:58
      +3

      At this point of time, I am almost convinced, from this and your prior form, you are just trolling.

      Took your time!

      • [Deactivated] on 15/12/2019 - 20:27
        +2

        I'm surprised he didn't get it when he mentioned he doesn't rev his V8 past 4k.

        Anyway, troll or not, you can't educate a fool.

        • capslock janitor on 17/12/2019 - 19:30

          It's quite fun with this buffoon:)
          But one page is enough for me today

    • magic8ballgag on 16/12/2019 - 09:27
      -2

      Jesus, give the forums a rest mate.

  • [Deactivated] on 15/12/2019 - 12:08
    +2

    You still have to give way from either lane. There's a give way sign there with a broken white line going through both lanes, half needs repainting thou on the lane in question.

  • Sage on 15/12/2019 - 12:18
    +1

    Yeah but there are gaps in the white line going from the white ute and lane 1, making it seem like they can change lanes at that moment.

    • D C on 15/12/2019 - 12:31
      +2

      making it seem like they can change lanes at that moment.

      Because they're allowed to. (Not the smartest thing to do, but anyway.)

  • UserNameAlreadyTaken on 15/12/2019 - 12:38
    +5

    Anyone that honks their horn at me when I am following the road rules and using my common sense to avoid any collision, deserves the $344 fine in NSW.

    • pegaxs on 15/12/2019 - 12:51
      +2

      Exactly. It's supposed to be a "watch out, you're about to hit my car" warning, not a "get out of the way, I'm more important than you" signal.

    • Orion au on 15/12/2019 - 13:24
      +3

      Yes, because it's clearly about what political affiliation they have.

      • D C on 15/12/2019 - 13:38

        Well, Green voters don't drive of course. Maybe HardlyCharly has has a few near misses whilst out on their penny farthing.

        Say, has anyone ever seen them & Diji1 in the same thread?

        • BestofOZB on 15/12/2019 - 21:57

          No Green voters are the cyclists, they are always at fault!

  • D C on 15/12/2019 - 13:41
    +4

    Has anyone contemplated that if the ute on @OP's photo isn't allowed to change lanes, how do they get off the roundabout?

    • pegaxs on 15/12/2019 - 13:53
      +8

      Legend says that they are still stuck there today, just going around and around.

    • SlavOz on 15/12/2019 - 13:55
      -2

      The lane that the Ute is in can access any exit on the roundabout.

      • D C on 15/12/2019 - 14:03
        +2

        Wait, so you can change lanes now?

        • pegaxs on 15/12/2019 - 17:05

          Shhhh… we now have to pretend to ignore the other comments he made about what the ute was doing was illegal…

          • SlavOz on 15/12/2019 - 21:00
            -3

            @pegaxs: I clearly meant that a Ute cannot freely cross into another lane. That is illegal. Its illegal to change lanes at will without looking and giving way to cars in that lane. Why are you finding every chance to twist what I said,?

            • pegaxs on 15/12/2019 - 22:39
              +2

              @SlavOz: Yeah, that's not what you meant at all.

              I'm not twisting it, just showing people what you wrote. You only changed your story "after" I called you out on your misinformation.

              It's just nice to know that you have actually learned something valuable.

    • GoldenDragon888 on 15/12/2019 - 13:55
      +1

      Reminded of this https://youtu.be/iAgX6qlJEMc

    • Muffinman01 on 15/12/2019 - 14:31

      Came to say the same thing!

      If OP is correct and lane 1 is a private lane, those coming from any of the other entrances can't go straight/turn right on to The Horsley Dr.

      • SlavOz on 15/12/2019 - 21:01
        -1

        Yes you're right. Look at the markings.

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