Why are people so clueless at two-lane roundabouts? (image)

SlavOz on 15/12/2019 - 10:33
Last edited 15/12/2019 - 11:08

EDIT:

Close-up: https://imgur.com/a/Uhb175T

Full version: https://maps.app.goo.gl/ma7Z1YhS6xgqyM7k9

I've marked each lane with 1 and 2 for reference. I go past this roundabout every day and it can get quite congested in the mornings even though it shouldn't, and it's only because people are completely clueless and non-observant. Notice how Lane 1 is private and unconnected from the rest of the roundabout. Oncoming traffic from the right (ie, the white Ute) can only approach from a single lane.

Therefore, if you're in Lane 1, you can proceed without giving way. Traffic from the right cannot cross into your lane (they have no reason to anyway). If you're in Lane 2, you need to give way as normal as you're sharing a lane with oncoming traffic.

What completely baffles and annoys me is that, in situations as in the photo, people still stop in Lane 1 and wait for oncoming traffic to pass. They don't realize that they have their own lane to proceed into. Because of that, there are traffic jams stretching way back to the prior intersections. Call me road rage, but I'm compelled to honk at the car in front of me if they stop. They're clearly not focusing on their surroundings and environment so their lack of awareness needs to be pointed out, even if they're just being safe.

If I'm in Lane 1 I'll still look right and have my foot ready to brake just in case another common idiot is doing something unheard of, but otherwise I'm happy to proceed freely even if there is oncoming traffic coming. That's what 2 lanes are for!

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Comments

  • Some Human on 15/12/2019 - 13:50
    +1

    I would probably wait, too. I see too many people change lanes when they’re already in the roundabout, that I just won’t risk it. My man does it all the time. I’m like “Mate, you can’t do that!”

  • Vote for Pedro on 15/12/2019 - 14:09
    +5

    Hey OP, seems your misunderstanding of roundabout road rules is causing problems.

    Or, is this another one of your troll posts?

  • Yummy on 15/12/2019 - 14:55
    +1

    Therefore, if you're in Lane 1, you can proceed without giving way. Traffic from the right cannot cross into your lane (they have no reason to anyway).

    Say good bye to your very needed defensive driving techniques.

  • THL on 15/12/2019 - 15:34
    +4

    OP, there's no solid line markings in the roundabout. Hence, vehicles are allowed to change lanes if they want (for whatever reason) and it is legal. You can see both lane 1 & 2 have give way linemarkings (dotted lines) therefore if you proceed straight and collide with a vehicle that's already in the roundabout, then you are legally at fault.

    They're clearly not focusing on their surroundings and environment so their lack of awareness needs to be pointed out, even if they're just being safe.

    Don't blame the drivers who follow the rules.

    • SlavOz on 15/12/2019 - 16:07

      It's been pointed out multiple times that when changing lanes in a roundabout, the usual road rules for changing lanes apply. That means you need to give way to people who are already in the lane you are switching to. If I'm in that lane, and the lane-changing driver collides with me, he's at fault. The accident would not be because I didn't give way; it's because he changed lanes without giving way and merging safely.

      • THL on 15/12/2019 - 17:46
        +6

        That means you need to give way to people who are already in the lane you are switching to

        Yeah that's correct. Except, you need to give way first to anyone that's ALREADY IN THE ROUNDABOUT. Just because they change lanes in the roundabout doesn't exempt you from giving way to them. That's what the dotted white lines are there for, to remind you to give way.

        If I'm in that lane, and the lane-changing driver collides with me, he's at fault.

        Seems like you don't agree with majority of the comments in this post, which is those who drivers who have waited and gave way to traffic have done the correct thing.

        If you don't agree, just floor it next time when you are in lane 1 and let someone else hit you from the side and let us know who will the insurance/police side with?

        • whooah1979 on 15/12/2019 - 17:50
          +3

          Seems like you don't agree with majority of the comments in this post,

          History shows that this happens rather often.

          • pegaxs on 15/12/2019 - 17:55
            +1

            @whooah1979:

            why your personal sense of safety usually comes at the cost of everyone's time and sanity.

            And apparently OP's 'time and sanity' is worth more than other peoples safety. And to think that we share the roads with people that have this mentality…

        • SlavOz on 15/12/2019 - 21:04

          Sure - my issue isn't people giving way from Lane 1, it's people stopping at Lane 1. Giving way and stopping are not the same thing. Give way means proceed with caution if it is safe to do so. If your lane is empty and the oncoming traffic is not showing intention of changing lanes, it is safe to proceed.

          • D C on 15/12/2019 - 22:05
            +2

            @SlavOz:

            and the oncoming traffic is not showing intention of changing lanes, it is safe to proceed

            There's the attitude of a man who is going to have a lot of accidents in his life - none of them his fault, of course.

            • SlavOz on 16/12/2019 - 18:42
              -1

              @D C: 14 years of aggressive driving a diesel heavy engine, regular sedan, and powerful sports car both in Australia and abroad (where there are less laws and far more idiots). Never had a single accident because I pay attention and learn to predict behaviour.

              That's like saying anyone who goes over the speed limit is certain to have an accident. Following the road rules makes you a safer driver but it won't make you a better one. In a dangerous situation beyond your control I'd rather be with the driver who's dealt with danger before rather than the driver who does everything possible to avoid it.

              • D C on 16/12/2019 - 18:45
                +2

                @SlavOz: Yes yes, we're all above average drivers here.

                You're still wrong.

  • gezza90 on 15/12/2019 - 15:52

    Drivers in general are clueless and lack driving skills probably because thy drive an automatic. Their accelerating and braking pattern is all wrong. They drive inneficciently and unsafe. Driving a manual car with show that you're in control of the car and don't suddenly brake because when approaching a light, you use engine braking. My car has done 120,000klm and not once have the brake pads been changed since new (8years ago).

    Even their maneuverability is poor. At the lights I see people leaving 3-5m gap at the lights when they could move forward a little bit so I could do my left turn. I think I have road rage as well.

    • spackbace on 15/12/2019 - 16:21
      +5

      Didn't realise that gearbox = driving ability 😂

      Gotta love these forums!

      • SlavOz on 15/12/2019 - 16:32
        -1

        Really? Someone who drives manual needs to do more tasks simultaneously than someone who drives auto. Since driving is an activity which relies very heavily on multi-tasking, I would say that someone driving manual is a better driver by virtue of the extra tasks they're able to do simultaneously.

        If you can juggle three balls and I can juggle four; we're both decent jugglers, but I am objectively better.

        • spackbace on 15/12/2019 - 16:37
          +6

          Who's to say the auto driver didn't used to drive a manual?

          How about a truck driver? They have more than 6 gears to deal with, you think they'd be pro-drivers, maybe take on Ken Block?

          You both talk like you have about 10yrs driving experience (Max) and you know it all. You don't. You'd shit your pants the minute that Mustang steps out and most likely over-correct it and go straight in a tree.

          Humility. Look it up and learn it. You're not Ken Block just because you currently drive a manual (that doesn't go over 4,000rpm).

          Or just stop trolling.

          • pegaxs on 15/12/2019 - 17:51

            @spackbace: Filthy casuals and their 6 speed gear boxes… :D

          • SlavOz on 16/12/2019 - 18:51

            @spackbace: No issue with auto drivers who know how to drive manual. It's the knowledge and experience that counts. But too many people go their entire lives without even attempting to drive a manual because "it's too hard" (usually their own exact words). That doesn't really portray any level of confidence.

            The State laws mostly seem to agree with this. If you pass your driving test in manual you're permitted to drive both a manual and an auto. If you pass the test in auto you can only drive auto. It's as if the State gov knows one of those groups has more skills and knowledge…

            • spackbace on 16/12/2019 - 19:05

              @SlavOz:

              It's as if the State gov knows one of those groups has more skills and knowledge…

              Of a manual gearbox, yes. That doesn't translate into any other aspect of driving skills.

              • SlavOz on 16/12/2019 - 20:12

                @spackbace: They not only know more about a manual gearbox, but also how a car reacts and behaves. I think that's definitely relevant to being a good driver given how many accidents occur from people losing control or misunderstanding what their car will do.

                Surely you won't deny that if we mandated manual tests for new drivers, our roads would be safer? Seems kind of a given.

                • spackbace on 16/12/2019 - 20:36
                  +3

                  @SlavOz: 😂 Using a 3rd pedal doesn't teach you anything about understeer, overseer, or accident avoidance. The gearbox plays no part in that.

                  And someone could easily argue that the less things needed to be done in the heat of the moment, the better.

                  Once again, only an idiot would believe that a 3rd pedal makes them a better driver in emergency situations.

                  • pegaxs on 16/12/2019 - 21:53
                    +1

                    @spackbace:

                    bUt mAnAuLs TaKe MoAr sKiLLz

                    Once muscle memory sets in, a manual is no harder to drive than an auto.

            • Easton on 20/12/2019 - 13:05

              @SlavOz: This is incorrect (at least for NSW). Once you graduate from a provisional licence, the auto-only restriction is automatically lifted and you can legally drive a manual car even if you took your driving test in an automatic car.

        • D C on 15/12/2019 - 20:36
          +2

          more tasks simultaneously

          Shame one of them isn't remembering the road rules.

    • whooah1979 on 15/12/2019 - 17:11

      120kms over 8 years sounds like a school run.

      • gezza90 on 15/12/2019 - 18:41

        To the station and back. And school run means city kms which also means more start stop. Your point?

        • whooah1979 on 16/12/2019 - 16:23

          I did 90k driving an automatic in Sydney over 4 years. Does that make me clueless and lacking driving skills?

          • [Deactivated] on 16/12/2019 - 18:37

            @whooah1979: According to this pamphlet I've read, yes it does.

    • blimpyboy on 15/12/2019 - 18:42

      I see people leaving 3-5m gap at the lights when they could move forward a little bit so I could do my left turn. I think I have road rage as well.

      I'm one of those people who leaves 3-5m between me and the car in front at intersections, and I do it because it's a safety issue. I've done it ever since someone accidentally reversed into me while I was stopped behind them at a traffic light. If there had been a bit more space my warning honks would have woken them up in time.

      If you're so wound up about making your left turn a minute quicker, enough to get road rage over it, then perhaps you could depart five minutes sooner so that these things aren't so consequential?

      • gezza90 on 15/12/2019 - 18:50

        In my 13years experience that's never happened. And what's so hard about just letting off brake and rolling backwards? or quickly pressing clutch and reversing AND honking at the same time (while noting the car behind you). Besides it will be their fault and repaired at their cost. You don't have a dashcam? That's OK, at a traffic light you have witnesses all around you. Sounds like you're a cautious automatic driver hence my point about maneuverability. Too many robotic driving styles on the road. In my 13yrs experience (touchwood) I've never been in an accident or let alone been hit. In fact I've avoided a few but managed to manoeuvre my way out of it quickly without taking eyes off road I can put in reverse and avoid collision. Don't get me wrong, I'm a mature and safe driver but I feel that there are many inconsiderate and sluggish drivers perhaps causing big inconvenience to other for the slight and unnecessary benefit of safety.

        • blimpyboy on 16/12/2019 - 02:02

          FWIW if I see someone behind me who is trying to pass then I'll roll forward to let them through. and I see where you're coming from, and yes it was obviously the other driver's fault and they admitted it, but it was still a nuisance. Because you've never been in an accident I'll tell you that even when you're 100% not at fault it's still an unwelcome event, making a claim, getting the car fixed and ensuring the job is done properly. In this case there wasn't much time for me to react. I was driving a manual car and started to put it into reverse, but I just didn't get out of the way in time. I couldn't have gone far anyway because I had someone behind me who was quite close, too. A couple of extra metres between me and the car in front would have avoided all the trouble.

          Another reason why I leave a gap is because if any of the cars in front break down or get stuck for whatever reason, there's enough room for me to go from a full stop to get moving and switch to the next lane without disrupting other traffic. When this happens I often see a few cars jammed in behind the stopped vehicle, and they can't maneuvre out of the way because they are too close to the car in front. So they just have to sit there and wait. This is no big deal either way but I think traffic flows more smoothly when cars have enough room to flow around obstacles like that, and if a minute here or there matters to you perhaps this will be more convincing for you?

          However it's cool if you're not convinced about my driving choices. I just reckon there are more important things to get worked up about than whether you're waiting an exra minute at an intersection.

      • [Deactivated] on 16/12/2019 - 18:38

        Damn those people are annoying, those huge gaps people leave can make a car miss the lights.

  • D C on 15/12/2019 - 16:02
    +1

    https://youtu.be/sCXtcXD17qU?t=74

  • arkie0 on 15/12/2019 - 16:24
    +1

    This is a troll post for sure, no one is that stupid.

    Clue for OP there's a dashed line at both 1 and 2.

    • SlavOz on 15/12/2019 - 16:28
      -2

      The dashed line means give way - what you're not understanding based on your reaction is that giving way doesn't mean you need to stop every time. It means you need to slow down and only stop if it's necessary. If I enter from Lane 1, my lane is unimpeded, therefore there is no need to stop. If an accident occurs, it happens because the driver in the other lane didn't follow proper lane-changing rules which state that you need to give way if it's necessary - in his case it was necessary because there was a car already in the lane he was crossing into. It wasn't necessary for me because there was no car in the lane I was entering the roundabout from.

      Don't mistake being wrong for "trolling"

      • md333 on 15/12/2019 - 16:43
        +2

        Firstly the ute doesn't need to change lane, it is in a lane that is splitting into two, and can use either.
        Secondly if you are at a give way sign, regardless of a roundabout or elsewhere, you need to give way to everyone, not only cars that are not changing lanes. In fact, since a car changing lanes is needing to do head checks and mirror checks, you should give them extra space.

        (Of course intersections with a car waiting are not a very sensible place to change lanes regardless of right of way).

        • SlavOz on 16/12/2019 - 18:56
          +1

          No the lane doesn't split. The lane that the Ute is in stays as one continuous lane all the way around. Check the satellite. So he cannot just cross over at will.

          I agree that I need to give way. What I'm clarifying (and which most people choose to ignore) is that there's nothing in the road rules which say that giving way means you need to stop. Giving way means to check and proceed if it is safe to do so. If my lane is empty it is safe to do so therefore I am proceeding but I have still technically given way by checking and noting my environment.

          • md333 on 16/12/2019 - 21:03

            @SlavOz: Have another look - I did check the google imagery - the roundabout is single lane where the ute is (left lane was exit only at the previous junction). The ute can proceed into either the left or right lane when entering the next dual lane section without changing lanes or crossing a lane marking.

            • SlavOz on 16/12/2019 - 21:13

              @md333: You're talking about the next exit up, which isn't even accessible from Lane 1 so it makes no difference. What that Ute does or is allowed to do when I'm no longer in the picture is no danger to me.

              When I approach this roundabout from the other direction, I always know I'll need to stop because of what you said. The two lanes merge into one so its common to see cars take whichever they want without notice. But I drive with confidence knowing that when there are lane markings, whether they are solid or not, this denotes that both lanes are separate entities and cannot be crossed without giving way to cars already in each (which is usually me).

      • arkie0 on 15/12/2019 - 16:53
        +1

        only stop if it's necessary. If I enter from Lane 1, my lane is unimpeded, therefore there is no need to stop.

        Then why the f are you OzB, write to vicroads and tell them to remove the dashed line from 1.

        If it's not necessary to stop, then its not necessary to have the dashed line at 1.

      • mba on 15/12/2019 - 16:56

        If I was coming into the round about from this https://maps.app.goo.gl/15hwZ9F5rcG4t9Nc6 entry then you will need to give way as I have clear access to both lanes, actually if someone was already in the round about at that point they have access to both lanes as there are no markings.

      • darkmoss on 16/12/2019 - 17:18

        You're completely correct regarding EVERYTHING. It's astounding how little the drivers on OzBargain know about the proper use of roundabouts. Yikes !

  • ZachBlasphemy on 15/12/2019 - 17:08
    +5

    I'd blame the road design before other drivers. Here's a similar road that properly separates cars going straight from the roundabout.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/P2yCWZ6gLohVcPcD7

    • stinkydog on 17/12/2019 - 01:56

      Have to agree, thank you for pointing this out. Have not come across a roundabout of this odd design in WA or NZ. Baffles me why they would make such a variable and confusing intersection, can't bring myself to use the term roundabout.

    • ericblendy on 17/12/2019 - 21:44

      I was thinking this the whole time. If the issue with OP is everybody stopping in lane 1 instead of just giving way, seperating this lane from the rest of the roundabout seems like it would make everything much more streamlined.

  • nandystam on 15/12/2019 - 17:48

    Something about an 80k high yield investment vehicle, just because.

  • Mrbean007 on 15/12/2019 - 18:06

    Lol nevermind about a roundabout people are still trying to figure out how to merge from a double to a single lane. :)))))

  • Euphemistic on 15/12/2019 - 18:11

    Why are people so clueless on roundabouts in general? One lane, two Kane, small, large doesn’t matter. Can’t indicate, can’t give way appropriately, can’t exit properly.

    Just an indicator of how useless our licensing system is. Time we stepped up to regular retesting.

  • OzzyOzbourne on 15/12/2019 - 18:18

    Because the chance of someone actually staying in the correct lane coming around the roundabout is low…. Theoretically having right of way is not worth risking being hit in the driver's side

  • PurchaseAnxiety on 15/12/2019 - 18:28
    +2

    Canberrans will feel your pain. This roundabout has the same issue, and it is marked fair better than the one in your post OP. So I'm afraid you have little hope.

    • j4ck on 16/12/2019 - 08:57

      I was just about to post a link to this!

      It's marked WAY better than OP's one… but people still slow down :(

  • Gauntlet on 15/12/2019 - 18:33

    What I got from this thread - "No mate."

  • AncientWisdom on 15/12/2019 - 19:26

    Bad road marking, other drivers are not in the wrong (technically - which is what counts - you are).

    /Thread

  • Bloggz on 15/12/2019 - 20:07
    +1

    Roundabouts are straight forward:
    - give way to traffic already in the roundabout (often quoted as give way to vehicles on your right as that’s where they’re coming from)
    - try to anticipate where the gaps are going to be, so you can maintain the flow (i.e. don’t stop unless you have to)
    - indicate right if you’re taking the last exit
    - indicate left (if practical) when you’re taking the next exit

    People cock it up by:
    - failing to plan ahead and breakup the flow
    - treating it like a stop line
    - indicating right when they’re actually going straight over (causing confusion in other road users)

    The rules in WA for reference: https://roadrules.rsc.wa.gov.au/road-rules/roundabouts

    • EvilRabbit on 16/12/2019 - 12:24

      One you missed that people cock up all the time; It's illegal to enter the roundabout if your exit is blocked.
      At least, that's the case in Vic. Not sure about WA.

      • cloudy on 16/12/2019 - 21:55

        It's illegal to enter the roundabout if your exit is blocked.

        really? I can't imagine anyone every entering the monster roundabout of Elizabeth/Flemington rd/ Royal Parade back in the days. You can't even see the exit before you enter.

        I actually enjoyed it a lot more before traffic lights, now its just so slow

        https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.801293,144.9574261,18z

  • [Deactivated] on 15/12/2019 - 20:19

    Geez Slav, I wish I was as clued and observant as yourself.

    • Euphemistic on 15/12/2019 - 21:36
      +2

      Yeah, not sure that is a good wish.

  • penguin286 on 15/12/2019 - 21:03

    I mean, I understand the post but I'd rather err on the side of caution because it is clear not everyone is agreeing with each other. I think the best alternative is to put a kerb or traffic island on the roundabout where lane 1 and 2 run parallel so that cars on lane 1 has the confidence that they will not be hit by cars already in the roundabout and they can just continue straight.

    Let's not blame drivers, let's come up with solutions

    • D C on 15/12/2019 - 22:19

      Sounds like you need a lesson in road rules too.

      Transport NSW has you covered old chum: https://youtu.be/sCXtcXD17qU. Skip to the 1:15 mark for crossing lanes.

    • pegaxs on 15/12/2019 - 23:00
      +3

      not everyone is agreeing with each other.

      Nah, it’s pretty much just everyone disagreeing with Slav. :D

  • kaleidoscope on 15/12/2019 - 23:36
    +3

    I think you should handover your drivers license back and re do the tests.
    Before entering the roundabout there is a give way line… There is no private left lane. Also inside the roundabout is no solid line. Its still dashed

  • Shwayne on 16/12/2019 - 00:23

    Traffic from the right can approach from both lanes, as you are permitted to take the second exit from the left lane in that intersection.

    You should only be giving way to any traffic in the left lane, as the traffic in the right lane cannot get in your way.

  • dannyboi on 16/12/2019 - 06:23
    +2

    It actually looks like there is no “Lane 1 / Lane 2” in the roundabout at the point immediately on the right. It’s effectively one lane splitting into two.
    The intention appears to be that the car in the roundabout at that point can take either of the two lanes on the left side of the screen.

  • gimme on 16/12/2019 - 07:33

    Q should have been why are people so clueless period.

  • terrys on 16/12/2019 - 07:39

    Your picture also shows a Give Way sign on both the right and left side of the road, therefore you do not have what people call "right of way". Then again, there is no "right of way" anywhere on public roads unless you are an emergency vehicle with lights and a siren, there is only situations where you are obliged to give way.

    • ericblendy on 17/12/2019 - 22:02

      If two people are stopped at an intersection, both facing Give Way signs, one of them will have right of way over the other. They cannot both go at the same time.

      http://imgur.com/gallery/s0pYXyG

      In this example, car B must give way to car A, so car A has right of way.

      While it's obviously best to give way or take it slow if you're unsure, people who don't practice driving basics like these just contribute to the unnecessary slowness and confusion on the road and they don't realise they're doing it.

  • luffyex2010 on 16/12/2019 - 08:34

    Ouch, thats how confident australia drivers are. They wont even admit it even they are wrong. Lol stay tune for more road traffic stories/accidents in the coming days/months/years.

    Stay and Drive Safe.
    Merry Christmas All! ~~~

  • thehub on 16/12/2019 - 08:45
    +1

    To the OP - this is what can cause accidents - people who don't understand the road rules and are in the wrong, and yet get all self-righteous and aggressive towards other drivers.

    There is a dotted line for Lane 1 to give way - hence anyone in Lane 1 enters the roundabout as per normal road rules. Simple. It's not a "private" lane as you like to call it.

  • cashless on 16/12/2019 - 08:51

    Memo to self Avoid this roundabout on daily commute as OP clearly hasn't got a clue how to deal with it and is therefore a public danger

  • Ozpit on 16/12/2019 - 09:08

    At very busy roundabouts, if you gave way to every car already in the roundabout, you would never get to enter the roundabout. You squeeze in wherever you feel it’s safe to do so. It may not be technically legal, but that’s the only way traffic from all directions is going to keep moving. But if you are in an accident, the letter of the law applies. Just need to keep your wits about you.

  • esty on 16/12/2019 - 10:18
    +1

    seems like you're the clueless one. You still need to give way in lane 1.

  • OzHunterNSW on 16/12/2019 - 10:22
    +1

    Next time you find yourself at a set of stop lights, look around at the other drivers. The ones at other stop lights, ones driving through…. then think to yourself, the majority left school at 16, the majority are on drugs, the majority suffer a debilitating ailment, the majority need stop lights to gather their thoughts, the majority are on their mobile, the majority are in oversized 4x4, the majority think they own the road, and the majority have no clue what so ever when it comes to roundabouts.

    • OzzyOzbourne on 16/12/2019 - 17:26

      That's how a motorcyclist thinks.. If I fail to avoid any one of them I'm dead whether they are wrong or not

      • OzHunterNSW on 16/12/2019 - 18:01
        +1

        Good observation…. I've been riding for 35 years… Ride to Survive is a good motto. I even learnt how to read the eyes of the other drivers. They glance around to then see them change lanes or do some other stupid move. You really need to get away from the pack, and stay away. Use other vehicles as buffers if some idiot wants to enter the road or cut across your path. I don't believe the crap about "Officer, I just didn't see him"…. I believe they do but elect to pull out in front of you bc they are in their big 4x4. They are arse holes, and it is best to consider them all as uneducated, on drugs, and out to get you - haha

  • Peck on 16/12/2019 - 11:23

    A good point OP. I have been trained on roundabouts that were converted from old narrow intersections. And therefore in the habit of always giving way to my right. Maybe once a year I come across this situation at a large roundabout, and I am sorry to say that I am hesitant.
    My biggest beef about my small roundabouts is that I give way to people on my right who are in the roundabout, only to see them turn off to their left without their indicator.

  • Chadsta on 16/12/2019 - 11:32
    +1

    The ute in the roundabout is going from one lane to two, therefore can chose either of the lanes. Legally speaking, I don’t think he has to even indicate. So, if the ute decides to take the outer lane, then they will collide with the car entering the roundabout from late 1 - thinking it's their "right of way".
    Therefore, you should treat this roundabout as any other roundabout, giving way to the cars already in the roundabout to your right, and proceeding when safe.

    Once the Ute is in the roundabout, and it’s going from one lane to two, he is within his right to choose either of those two lanes. If the car entering this roundabout chooses not to practise "roundabout rules” and wishes to proceed thinking they are not a part of the roundabout, then they will be at fault. If lane one was exempt from the runabout, then they should put a divider excluding lane 1 from the roundabout.

    Am I missing something here?

  • diddy50 on 16/12/2019 - 12:06
    +2

    'Expect the unexpected' that is how i was taught to drive.
    As well as - all other drivers are stupid and will crash into you.

    So if you go through a give way sign before entering an intersection (round-about) without giving way or assume no one will merge or cross lanes, you're gonna get hit.

    I'd rather wait a second and not get hit, than die being right

  • goms on 16/12/2019 - 12:51

    The person who does not have a clue is OP. The white ute may go to Lane 1 to exit on the next exit. Or are you saying that anyone coming from the right can't use that exit?

    • Eeples on 16/12/2019 - 13:22

      He is saying the ute is supposed to give way to him in his 'private lane'; sounds dangerous.

      I'm not sure why the OP doesn't think the ute is entitled to drive straight in to left lane 1 when the lane starts on the roundabout.

      • darkmoss on 16/12/2019 - 17:10
        -2

        The ute can exit, at the next exit, from the lane it is in, and that lane only. Lane one can ONLY go straight, hence there is zero chance of collision. There are 2 lanes exiting from the roundabout here. It is very basic, hence OP frustration, and how mindblowing it is that 90% of people on here don't know how to use a roundabout. smh

        • D C on 16/12/2019 - 18:14

          90% of people on here don't know how to use a roundabout. smh

          And you are in the 90%.

          @OP needs to give way to the ute, so therefore must stop. If he knew how to drive he would have slowed down enough so the ute would have passed the lane he is in, then he could enter the roundabout without stopping (ie giving way).

          The ute is allowed to leave the roundabout at any exit, including the one on the left by crossing @OP's 'private' lane..

          • darkmoss on 24/12/2019 - 23:35

            @D C: wow , yikes. this is scary , the HUGE lack of roundabout knowledge on here .
            the ute can (and only) stay in its current lane and exit to the next left, freely and safely, just as the road is marked … ON THE RIGHT SIDE EXIT (there are 2 exit lanes where it is heading, unless it's continuing around, which is fine).
            the entering driver (OP) is talking about entering from the left entrance lane can ONLY go straight..meaning they will never cross each other..
            leaving the other (ute) lane free to continue right or go left onto the exit , unimpeded.
            Look at the photo , there are 2 straight exit options from the OPs driving position , one on the left, and one on the right..

        • goms on 16/12/2019 - 18:41
          -1

          Are you for real? In order for the ute to exit, it needs to use the left lane, ie: crossing lane 1. Maybe draw a diagram to see how the ute can exit without crossing lane 1, I will be interested to know!

          • darkmoss on 24/12/2019 - 23:36

            @goms: wow , yikes. this is scary , the HUGE lack of roundabout knowledge on here .
            the ute can (and only) stay in its current lane and exit to the next left, freely and safely, just as the road is marked … ON THE RIGHT SIDE EXIT (there are 2 exit lanes where it is heading, unless it's continuing around, which is fine).
            the entering driver (OP) is talking about entering from the left entrance lane can ONLY go straight..meaning they will never cross each other..
            leaving the other (ute) lane free to continue right or go left onto the exit , unimpeded.
            Look at the photo , there are 2 straight exit options from the OPs driving position , one on the left, and one on the right..

        • Eeples on 17/12/2019 - 11:26
          -1

          90% know how to use the roundabout safely and also use it by the road rules.

          If you don't give way to the ute it might go in to Lane1-left as soon as that lane starts on the roundabout… that make it dangerous because you didn't give way.

          If you don't give way the ute (if it stays in Lane1-right) when it turns left it will turn left in front of cars that fail to turn left from lane 1…. that makes it dangerous too.

          Saying 'Oh, I had right of way' (which very few ppl think you have in your 'private lane') after an accident is not good driving (because you had an accident).

          • darkmoss on 24/12/2019 - 23:36

            @Eeples: wow , yikes. this is scary , the HUGE lack of roundabout knowledge on here .
            the ute can (and only) stay in its current lane and exit to the next left, freely and safely, just as the road is marked … ON THE RIGHT SIDE EXIT (there are 2 exit lanes where it is heading, unless it's continuing around, which is fine).
            the entering driver (OP) is talking about entering from the left entrance lane can ONLY go straight..meaning they will never cross each other..
            leaving the other (ute) lane free to continue right or go left onto the exit , unimpeded.
            Look at the photo , there are 2 straight exit options from the OPs driving position , one on the left, and one on the right..

  • Eeples on 16/12/2019 - 13:21

    OP's been told that he doesn't have a private lane and he has been informed of the rule about giving way to everyone in the roundabout. (Even cars going the wrong way, OP, just so you know).

    Drive safe OP.

  • Numlock on 16/12/2019 - 13:50

    Sorry, but I have no problem with people who wait for the right side traffic to pass. So many psycho drivers in Sydney who think they own the roads and take up more than one lane.

  • superdarkhumour on 16/12/2019 - 14:52
    +1

    When my life is too boring, roundabouts are my go to conservation!

  • Seraphin7 on 16/12/2019 - 15:33
    +1

    The problem you have here is that the council/state that built the thing was too inept to build it properly. The left lane should be a fully disconnected slip lane that only physically allows one flow of traffic in and out, and then the right lane is the only one that actually goes into the roundabout.

  • Jackkkkkk on 16/12/2019 - 16:05

    Regardless if there's a car or not, there's a give way line. They are free to stop to avoid any surprises.

    It's the same thing at Mt Druitt, Carousel Inn. They must give way from people turning right as it's their right of way to enter, and of course there's a GIVE WAY line. Not hard to understand

  • rompastompa on 16/12/2019 - 16:32

    Why are people so clueless at two-lane roundabouts?

    You tell me! Actually, please don't.

    The round about might give you road rage, but your posts definitely give me forum rage.. Goosfraba..

  • bobwokeup on 16/12/2019 - 16:42
    -1

    Don't you mean why can't people use roundabouts in general. After reading a couple of comments here it just confirms why we have issues on the road across the country. It is your right of way to continue straight however you need to be aware that those on the roundabout can indicate then change lanes as it's a dotted line. Mind you people also don't know how to correctly indicate on a roundabout so you just have to be cautious. Stopping just in case they may change lanes is what does my head in.

    • thehub on 16/12/2019 - 23:59

      Sorry billybob1978, that is incorrect. There is a dotted line across Lane 1 as it enters the roundabout, therefore any car in Lane 1 does not have "right of way" to continue straight. Your comment confirms why we have issues on the road across the country.

      I'm not sure why there is any confusion here. If Lane 1 was intended to be a separate lane from the roundabout, then there would not be a dotted line to indicate that you must give way.

  • No ONE on 16/12/2019 - 17:04
    +3

    Mate,
    Have a look from a different angle. Here is one for you.

    Notice, how the roundabout does NOT have any solid lines. White Ute can use any lanes it chooses. Ute has to indicate left for exit, or indicate right for next exit.

  • OzzyOzbourne on 16/12/2019 - 17:10

    Lane 1 is not a "private" lane onto the roundabout, the dotted white line on the roundabout does not join with the line entering the roundabout. Traffic on the roundabout can take either the left or right side of line when they get to it.

    Eg if a car was turning left after the roundabout, they would most likely go to the left of the dotted line so they are in the correct lane exiting the roundabout
    http://imgur.com/gallery/X2Zo4U7

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