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Nokia 5.4 128GB Dual SIM Midnight Sun $169 + Delivery Only @ Harvey Norman

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Pretty much the same as Nokia 5.3, but a few tweaks. Processor knocked down a rung, but more or less the same SoC. 4GB ram. Android One, so should get regular updates - 2 years of software, 3 years of monthly security. 24 months warranty. Midnight Sun (Orange) color only. Overall, not great, not terrible.

Specs here and here

Edit: At its normal price of around $329, the Nokia 5.4 is easy to look past, but the value at $169 is hard to ignore. Versus similar tier phones such as the Vivo Y20 and Oppo A53 (both around $250 at JB), it does have the most powerful SoC (WiFi is not as good, however ) and software update guarantees.

Nokia 5.4 vs Vivo Y20s vs Oppo A53s

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  • +8

    TechRadar review, heading is 'is a long way from cut-price perfection', but that was at $329, so at $169 the balance might have altered.

  • wow this is almost half price for a Jan 2021 phone
    wondering if it's just because of its ugly colour or other hidden reason?

    • only downside is it’s not FHD screen, else it’s a great phone if you want updates and andoid one .

  • +2

    Nokia has some really weird naming convention. Is the bigger the number, the better the phone?

    • +3

      Yeah I think it’s like TIER.REVISION

    • +2

      For added fun, the naming scheme is changing again to C, G & X

  • feels like a Samsung's J Series phone from early 2013

    • +2

      ive got one of these, its far better, the stock smooth android is excellent

      • +3

        seems like nokia is improving ?

        saw many feedbacks on last gen …. phone freeze / restart itself … charging port fails , etc.

        • Give it 6 months to a year.

        • Yeah, I had that issue on mine. Great phone, but charger port failed 3 times in a year. Unfortunately was an import so after 12 months it became a paperweight as it wouldn't charge.

        • I have a Nokia 2.2 where the charging port is becoming a problem. Why is this a common thing with Nokias?
          A pity as its quite a good phone otherwise

  • +6

    Delivery is $7.95 nationwide
    Total Cost = $176.95

    Also don't forget gift cards
    3.5% cash back from cashrewards
    or 5% from Shopback or Suncorp
    $150 gift card saves you another $5.25 or $7.50

    • Shopback had 7% recently oh well. Anyway what if they cancel saying this is a price mistake..are we risking ourselves buying gift cards

      • +1

        new Nokia models are arriving later this month
        The x.4 phones launched late due to COVID
        Given that the Midnight Sun looks like poo LOL, and HN is the only retailer in Australia with this colour of 5.4 in stock
        I don't think it's a price error

        At this price I think its a good deal for a 2nd phone or kids/ elderly or even uber drivers
        I like it's Android One and 3 years update
        Downside is 720p screen only and camera not impressive, but hey, it's just $170

        • 😂

        • +2

          For uber your probably going to want a phone with a compass, this doesn't have one.

        • +1

          720p phone does have the advantage of saving mobile data.

  • +4

    Why does the new version have a worse processor than the 5.3?

    • +5

      It's pretty much the same but is slightly better on power . Despite the slightly lower 662 vs 665 number it's actually newer from what I could discern .

    • +4

      5.3 has ac WiFi, this 5.4 is going backwards

    • +2

      Nokia seems to have been doing this. Slowly stepping down certain features. The first Nokia 5 had a full aluminium body! Maybe trying to push people up the next tier?

      SoC isn't really that different, I guess

  • +2

    Seems like a great deal and I am in the market for a new phone. But I'll never buy a Nokia again after owning a Nokia 7 Plus. What a nightmare.

    • +1

      i loved my nokia 7 plus ….first time water damaged they fixed under warranty, 2nd time was dropped in water overnight by accident , i decided to buy new phone ….have the 7.2 and love it.

    • The 7 Plus was basically the enthusiast Nokia phone. Pretty much the most loved Nokia to date. I'd recommend checking out this YouTube channel.

      • +1

        thks, the review sums it, loved that phone, if not for water damage would still be using it. have the 7.2 from when they cleared at office works, be interesting on 7.3 price and features when released.

  • +2

    5.4 review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shfYu-4vky4
    5.4 vs 5.3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbGQF1H0s8k

    I've had my 5.3 since April Fools' for $210 from Officeworks. The finger print sensor is not great and the camera is average. 5.3 doesn't have a gyro sensor so you can't use augmented reality apps like Pokemon Go. I don't game and use very few apps so the battery life is great. The weather part of the Android One's At Glance widget consistently drop out on me and you can't remove the widget or change your weather provider.

    Adjust your expectations based on the price.

    • is it smooth ? does it freeze / restart itself ?

      • +4

        I have the 5.3, it froze once on the first day when I was updating and restarting my phone over and over. The fingerprint sensor can be sluggish sometimes but the rest of the device is running smooth for my needs.

    • +1

      The second video is linked to the wrong one. Correct one here:
      Nokia 5.4 vs Nokia 5.3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvJO8-is01c

      • Thanks

    • +2

      Agree with the finger print sensor. I no longer bother with it when my hands start sweating. Wiping my hands doesn't help for some reason.

      I got rid of the widget and weather provider by changing the default launcher to Lawnchair. Pretty happy with my 5.3. No freeze or restart issues apart from one that was caused by my podcast app.

    • +1

      It has a gyro, otherwise screen orientation (auto-rotate) and thousands of games would not work. Every Android has this. What it doesn't have is a compass, which is pretty common for cheap phones.

      • I downloaded Pokemon Go on my Nokia 5.3 to test and I got the "Can't detect phone orientation. Turn off AR Mode" message. My phone screen rotation works fine and my Google Maps has always worked. Also tested with Just A Compass app.

        Using the Sensor Test app, I can confirm my phone has these sensors: Accelerometer, Light, Proximity, Magnetometer and Compass. It doesn't have Gyroscope and Barometer sensors.

        • That is super odd, maybe your phone just uses the accelerometer to guess that you want to change screen orientation. Phones without compasses use GPS, and Bluetooth/WiFi scanning to get directional data.

  • +4

    I bought one of these earlier in the year and my uncle died 2 weeks after.
    Don't make the same mistake I did.

    • +3

      My uncle is a bit of a dick… Thanks, will definitely pick one up now

  • +2

    NFC is supported thumbsup

    Great find op

    Only thing is "midnight sun"isn't listed as a colour option on https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_au/nokia-5-4/specs. Being sold by HN this should be AU stock, just curious about the colour

  • Midnight Sun

    🤔

    • should've called it shadows on the sun?

    • +1

      midnight sun is a common thing in Finland, nd Nokia is originally a Finnish company

      the colour of this phone doesn't click well with this name though

      more like a midnight turd

      • a midnight esPoo?

    • It's a nod to their Finish origins, where they in fact, have sun at midnight.

  • I don't mind if I have to send it to repair if it has issues since I will have a spare phone. As long as they are not dodgy, they repair it. However, the closest repair centre for me is Quantum Service and Logistics. They are terrible, I can expect bad after-sales services.

  • Thanks, bought one.

  • Only problem I am having with Android One is if you buy it new you'll get full 3 years of security updates, usually you don't get it day one (and full price) then you are left with 2.5 years.

    2 cheap android one phones ($250 - $300) is about the same as an iphone SE (like the last Vodafone deal for $550). Then you just need to debate the pros & cons of each ecosystem.

    • +1

      2 cheap android one phones ($250 - $300) is about the same as an iphone SE (like the last Vodafone deal for $550). Then you just need to debate the pros & cons of each ecosystem.

      I disagree, in normal use stock Android phones and the equivalent iPhone are capable of performing the exact same tasks.

      • You missed the point.

        • +2

          Your comment was solely about updates? Android versions are generally usable for 2-3 years past release because the Google Play and security frameworks are continuously updated beyond the end of OEM support. Google has been introducing a whole host of new updatable frameworks in recent releases, so that all devices are secure and instantly receive important updates. This modularisation gives Google control of core software and overrides the slack software development departments of some Android OEMs.

          Older devices (those running Android 6 and up, from 2015 onwards) have also automatically received new features such as Nearby Share, which is comparable to AirDrop.

          You don't have to go with Android One either - the Pixel 4a has been $479 and will have the latest Android version until October 2024.

          • @Techie4066:

            Google Play and security frameworks are continuously updated beyond the end of OEM support.

            I think there is a big difference between total OS updates and just security patches.

            Again you miss the point.

            • @netjock:

              I think there is a big difference between total OS updates and just security patches.

              That is your opinion. The UI design of Android has not been updated a lot since Android 9, so you've missed the point. In fact, there's only been incremental changes since Android 6 in 2015, the UI is operated in basically the same way. Android 12 will finally provide a design overhaul.

              Project Mainline provides everyone with an up-to-date device beyond OEM support. That is all you need, a device running Android 10 or newer, with secure core software.

              Sounds like you haven't owned an Android phone.

              • @Techie4066:

                UI design of Android has not been updated a lot since Android 9

                OS updates are not about UI changes. I mean why doesn't Google just tell people to stay home instead of having their annual Android launch events.

                Project Mainline provides everyone with an up-to-date device beyond OEM support. That is all you need, a device running Android 10 or newer, with secure core software.

                Android 10 or newer = 2019, so you need a phone from last 2 years? 6 year old iphones are getting OS updates. It might be a catch up but lets see how long it lasts. Just like Android One has fewer and fewer manufacturers onboard. Android One was meant to narrow the gap between time to get OS and security updates.

                Sounds like you haven't owned an Android phone.

                Nice back hander. Had Nexus 4, Nexus 5, Nexus 6 (not P), and on Xiaomi A2. If you are buying Pixel or any med priced device (not budget at $250 like my original post) of $450 you are talking about if you want OS updates you'll be forking out $900 over 5 - 6 years. iPhone SE would be slightly better value.

                You're a techie. Techies don't make good marketing people. Most people just want devices that work and have a long service life.

                • @netjock: You're still stuck on the issue of OEMs. Tell me one useful feature that arrived in the Android 11 update that you would've used. Changes are incredibly minimal nowadays, UI or functionality, so major updates are really not important whatsoever relative to a secure OS.

                  And you're wrong about Android One. It was developed and is still operating with the intention of getting low-cost simple handsets in the hands of people in developing markets. Why? Cookie cutter ROMs are cheap to provide and maintain. That mission has never, ever changed.

                  Go research Project Mainline and you'd find that it was fully rolled out in Android 10 (meaning that all new devices will be up to date indefinitely). And you're wrong about techies - people in the know about the nitty gritty are the best at marketing and getting into the fine details of a product. That's what consumers want to hear, how a product is superior.

                  Project Mainline = long service life. You should know this as someone claiming to be in the know. Your lack of knowledge led to my simple presumption regarding your experience with Android.

                  iPhone SE would be slightly better value.

                  As for your last point. Android buyers, other than those looking for the cheapest handset or buying whatever they come across, are looking for hardware to make the most of smartphone innovations. Something Apple never provides under $1K. This is what the smartphone experience provides, and for those seeking longevity, everything functions properly beyond OEM support. Obsessing over small feature additions in future updates is unhelpful.

                  Talking to every iPhone owner I've come across and helping others buy phones, they're practically unusable beyond 4 years old due to the tiny batteries and lack of control of storage maintenance.

                  • @Techie4066:

                    Tell me one useful feature that arrived in the Android 11 update that you would've used. Changes are incredibly minimal nowadays, UI or functionality, so major updates are really not important whatsoever relative to a secure OS.

                    This and this:

                    looking for hardware to make the most of smartphone innovations

                    Obsessing over small feature additions in future updates is unhelpful.

                    You really need to reassess what you are talking about.

                    Go research Project Mainline and you'd find that it was fully rolled out in Android 10 (meaning that all new devices will be up to date indefinitely)

                    You know what they said about making products too good. You will never have any repeat customers. It might be the pitch but I can guarantee you it won't be indefinite, even if you do the software, it isn't in the interest of the hardware producers.

                    • @netjock: Yes, there is a problem of OEM software support for Android, the companies are slack at keeping devices supported alongside the forseeable life of the hardware. There you go. Although that is something Google has been enforcing more in the past couple years (some more research for you), and which Project Mainline fixed regarding the critical modules of Android.

                      Android is very different to iOS, and in some ways they cannot be compared. So I'd suggest in response that this is a topic you need to understand the details of (regarding Google's approach) and reassess.

                      • @Techie4066:

                        some more research for you

                        There is the problem. 80% of consumers won't care (to research) because it really isn't the selling point.

                        • @netjock: Absolutely. That's why as of Q1 2021, 16% of consumers globally still wasted money splurging on iPhones instead of superior and more cost effective alternatives.

                          Adding onto my prior point, comparing Android and iOS is like comparing Mac and Windows. People choose what platform is right for them, since they are completely different offerings for different purposes and needs.

                          • @Techie4066: Told you in the above iphone SE is basically same price as two Android budget phones.

                            Numbers don't lie and plus you don't need to do much research.

                            • @netjock: My point exactly, iPhones cannot be afforded my most of the world. People here mostly get them because they're a fashion statement, do what they say on the tin, it's familiar to them, and preconceptions about Android do not help. The market share statistics don't lie.

                              • @Techie4066: lies, damn lies and then there is statistics.

                                My point exactly

                                Your points are just twisted facts to make it sound like a winner.

                                2x $250 Android budget phones = $500. 6 years of OS updates in total

                                1x iphone SE $550. 6 years of OS updates.

                                • @netjock: Since we're deviating from the topic of software support here, based upon my economics knowledge and common sense, most of the world cannot afford to pay large sums upfront due to lower disposable incomes and lower savings. Most people with lower incomes that can afford and want new smartphones can pay AU$250 for a phone every 2-3 years, but simply cannot afford paying AU$550 upfront every 3-4 years. That's just the way things are, and it's not my preference you're changing by mentioning software support, since it's acceptable from major OEMs. I was offering you my technical knowledge, nothing more. The statistics I mentioned are not lies either.

                                  • @Techie4066: That is because Android market share includes garbage devices.

                                    $100 prepaid smart phones from Optus. Devices with 1gb of ram and 16gb of storage.

                                    53.6% of Android devices are on Android 9 (isn't that 2018) and below. Link

                                    71.6% of iOS devices are on 14.4 (Jan 21 release).

                                    As much as I like Android the numbers don't lie.

                                    • @netjock:

                                      $100 prepaid smart phones from Optus. Devices with 1gb of ram and 16gb of storage.

                                      Doesn't something look off to you, if people believed iPhones were appealing to them and went off and bought $100 junk? They're bad for me and you, but not for those seeking a landline replacement. Yes, people like that still exist - elderly, middle aged, children - people that need nothing more or cannot afford anything more (NOT a new iPhone).

                                      Statistics like the ones you're mentioning have no way to gauge the devices still in active use, and don't take into account the influence of developing markets where Android is HUGELY more widespread and it is more common to find older and cheaper phones for obvious reasons. That suggests absolutely nothing about the type of handsets Australians mostly purchase, ones that are up to date for 3+ years.

                                      We're talking about phones with a decent level of performance here. You don't get value from an iPhone when considering the entire offering (hardware & performance, software), so your argument is futile. Apple is a fashion company offering consumer electronics.

                                      I rest my case.

                                      • @Techie4066:

                                        Statistics like the ones you're mentioning have no way to gauge the devices still in active use

                                        Do you not read?

                                        Data on this page is collected from devices that run the AppBrain SDK.

                                        Tens of thousands of developers are using the AppBrain SDK to generate revenue with their Android app. We anonymously process the server traffic of our SDK to generate the most popular Android phones and tablets shown on this page. These market shares are generated from over 100 million monthly unique users.'

                                        Developers are actively developing for these older Android versions which means they must be in service and generating a lot of revenue.

                                        You are just dreaming!

                                        Doesn't something look off to you, if people believed iPhones were appealing to them and went off and bought $100 junk?

                                        You look a bit off to me. Because affordability is a whole different ball game. If people can afford it they would all buy iphones. People don't buy Kia Piccanto when they can afford a Model 3. A good deal of Android market share is purely being forced because it is the only item the consumer can afford.

                                        You seem to argue Android market share is because $100 android phones are desirable.

                                        • @netjock:

                                          People don't buy Kia Piccanto when they can afford a Model 3.

                                          Untrue analogy. The wealthy have a lower propensity to consume and consume less of a proportion of their income compared to the poor. A lot choose to save - there's more than 6,900 rich people in Australia buying cars each year (going off the annual electric car sales, although there are other factors influencing this. But everyone has the choice to spend more and buy a Tesla). For reference, that's out of over 900,000 cars sold last year, and during a period when luxury car sales reached record highs. Electric car sales remained almost unchanged year on year.

                                          Tens of thousands of developers are using the AppBrain SDK to generate revenue with their Android app.

                                          Fantastic. A tiny sample size relative to the 3 billion ACTIVE Android devices around the world that run Google Play (as of 8 days ago, according to GOOGLE).

                                          Because affordability is a whole different ball game.

                                          And that's why I explained it to you, and mentioned that software updates have little influence on buying decisions. Affordability drives consumption of goods.

                                          I'm happy with the software support I receive as an Android user and believe I'm making the best decision for myself. You're happy with your iPhone.

                                          • @Techie4066:

                                            The wealthy have a lower propensity to consume and consume less of a proportion of their income compared to the poor.

                                            You are bad at economics. If I made $1m. Yes the $70k Model 3 will be a smaller portion of my income to someone on $60k. My food would also be less than someone making $200K. You're just talking about percentages. Percentages lie, you need to know the numbers you are using,

                                            If you are making $40k then you are forced to buy a Piccanto. Just because there is more Piccantos on the road doesn't mean it is a good car.

                                            You got your economics mixed up.

                                            Fantastic. A tiny sample size relative to the 3 billion ACTIVE Android devices around the world that run Google Play (as of 8 days ago, according to GOOGLE).

                                            You don't know how to read. Your active users are not developers. Developers are a subset. It is like there is 3 billion cars but not all of drivers are also car designers and engineers. Just because you got Google play doesn't mean you are an active of google play although you might be an active user of Android OS.

                                            Note the link data source explained:

                                            These market shares are generated from over 100 million monthly unique users

                                            And that's why I explained it to you, and mentioned that software updates have little influence on buying decisions. Affordability drives consumption of goods.

                                            You are on something that people should not be on.

                                            Android versions Australia market share version 10 + 11 is only 64.63% of the market and we're a developed country. Imagine the amount of crap devices out there.

                                            iOS versions Australia market share 70%+ are on iOS 14.4 from Jan21.

                                            Look at the charts. You'll find that there is people who can afford to switch over from Android 10 (and other versions) to 11 but other old versions are declining a lot more slowly because manufactures are still selling new devices with old OS. That has nothing to do with affordability it is just laziness. Look at the Apple charts, old versions are not really featured because they are not selling new devices with old OS.

                                            • @netjock: *Picanto. I know a rich family that has a new Mazda 2 and Kia Picanto as their main cars. So there's that.

                                              Your active users are not developers. Developers are a subset. It is like there is 3 billion cars but not all of drivers are also car designers and engineers. Just because you got Google play doesn't mean you are an active of google play although you might be an active user of Android OS.

                                              Wrong. You're incorrectly assuming it was calculated that way.

                                              That has nothing to do with affordability it is just laziness.

                                              Nice assumption.

                                              You don't know how to read.

                                              You are on something that people should not be on.

                                              Oh yes, I do love resorting to personal attacks to feed into my argument.

                                              To all other points, my response is as follows: Sure.

  • I bought one, but returned it. It had difficulties connecting to the Telstra network in Adelaide. The tech I spoke to admitted that Telstra had updated their network and it wasn't compatible without changing some network settings in the phone to connect.

    • +6

      So why not just change the network settings?

  • +2

    hmm looks like deal has expired?

    • Yep back to full price 🙁

  • Has anyone received any shipping emails from HN?
    I thought they are supposed to do so within 2 days…

    • Still says 'processing' for me

    • +1

      Same here. The contact us / chat box was pretty useless, didn't tell me anything I don't know.

    • +1

      So it turns into a forever waiting game…

      From Live Chat:
      "Unfortunately, there is a backlog for that phone, sadly the supplier has not updated us with the shipping information yet, as soon as we hear anything from them you will be advise."
      "No estimate for stock as of now."

      • +1

        Yes, I got the runaround, but managed to cancel today and get a refund issued.

        I went through their callback service and received a call within an hour. The operator very helpful and it was an easy fix.

        Absolute [email protected] company. This was my first purchase from them in years and will most certainly be my last.

        • +1

          I was told expected ship date is 3rd week of June.

        • +2

          I did the call back thing sometime last week. They said the processing time will be longer than usual.

          Srsly how hard is it to admit you screwed up and sold something not in stock. This exact experience is why I don't buy anything from Kogan anymore.

        • +3

          I learnt from other comments that they are Hardly Normal
          that's why this is only my 3rd purchase from them in the past 15 years
          This time I learn something new
          Never jump on their online deals
          Buy only when there is stock in their physical store…

  • Just received my phone today, express post by startruck
    Total waited days: 30…

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