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How have you found consistency of your espresso and how's the milk frother?
You need a grinder, and a way to dose the coffee… then you have consistency. I insisted for a while with ground coffee but just not worth it. (But this applies to every coffee machine)
The steamer is pretty good, best if you use a procedure found on Gaggia forums.
How many coffees will you make in a row?
Yeah, I have the breville smart grinder pro but now need a good machine to match. Been eyeing a deal on the dual boiler as I just missed the last lot of sales. Watching reviews on this one now.
I make anywhere from 2-4 coffees in a row.
@CustardShot: I would go with dual boiler with extended warranty. PID temp control will mean more consistency in pulling multiple shots in a row and the dual boiler means you can stream milk at the same time.
I've read that the Gaggia is a good machine for the price but I would expect it to require temperature surfing which might be tricky between shots. I haven't used one though so others might know better.
@3: I used one made in 2003 last year. It was 17 years old and it still works great. Doubt a Breville can last that long. You can slap a pid on the gaggia too, which cost $200-ish.
I guess you can't go wrong with either the gaggia or the dual boiler, its only a matter of what you value the most@becku: Yep the dual boiler only lasts about 5-7 yrs unfortunately. Added complexity due to more features but also they have issues with leaks.
How did the Gaggia go pulling multiple shots prior to the PID kit?
@3: I wasn't making continuing shots since I only used it alone during lock down. but I would've assumed it won't be as good as the dual boiler, temp-wise
@CustardShot: check out the sunbeam em 7100, ive bought it recently and im very impressed.
have a look at my comments further down…
Can somebody weigh in their coffee journey? E.g. Started with a breville, moved to a gaggia, then upgraded to a…
I'm on a breville infuser atm and I'm wondering when I upgrade if I should take a bigger jump of an upgrade.I started straight with this one.
There are some tricks to get the right coffee and foam but once you get use to it it's a fantastic machine.
Factor in the cost of a grinder and some tolls like milk jug, cleaning brushes, tamper, brushes etc.Once you get use you will get awesome coffee, sometimes comparable to commercial coffee machines.
Breville Dual Boiler has no competition in its price range. We get it super cheap in Australia. You can end the journey there unless you want to go crazy with profiling on a machine like the Decent.
Breville is not as durable and is full of electronic. Made in Italy vs made in China. These Gaggias are almost ethernal
Agree, the dual boiler is an excellent machine overall but I wouldn't buy one without some sort of extended warranty. The pumps just don't last long enough.
Depends what you're after. High build quality or superior control over your coffee.
I switched from Silvia to the dual boiler, have overall better results (not only due to machine change, was learning as well) and more convenient to use due to the separate steam boiler. I also found the pressure gauge to be quite useful.
IMHO a good grinder is even more important to consider upgrading to.
I'm using a manual grinder right now: lido e
I should probably look into an electric one later on
The biggest issue you will have is the cup size. There is not much space for a normal cup. Its a great machine but I have to use small cups and steam bond does not move as freely as Breville barista express.
Upgrade to bottomless portafilter
Sorry my error
@Shiny1
I started with Krups >la pavoni professional>lelit anita>ecm tecnika profi. I bought the ecm over 10 years ago and it is as good as the day I bought it. It feels like it will last me a lifetime. Although initially expensive, I definitely recommend a machine like mine, made in Germany, for long term ownership.My mate has the Technika 5 and I had a heart attack when I saw the price. Don't think I'm ready for that level yet! I'd probably look at 2nd hand lelits or something.
Sorry to be a pedant, but ECM GmbH domestic machines are made in Milan not Germany.
I have one of the original Italian ECM Giotto machines, and it's still working beautifully. Definitely worth spending the money on a machine that will last several decades.
By the way, who wants their coffee machine made in Germany? Where's the flair? Where's the passion?
I looked at this one and read that it has a hard anodised aluminium boiler that is prone to pitting over the long term and if not maintained well.
Spoke to a couple of coffee machine technicians and they recommended the breville infuser BES 840 or the Sunbeam EM7100 at the budget end. Both of which are excellent machines.
They both have a fairly quick heat up time and thats what i need at 3 am when i get up for work. {The EM7100 is exactly 2 minutes }
So the boilers were off the menu.
Scored the EM7100 from appliances online ebay store with a $50 ebay discount so it cost me $609.
Im stoked with it, everything is programmable including extraction temperatures and pre infusion modes. Dual thermoblocks and pumps means im pulling shots and frothing at the same time without issues.
Im loving it !
p.s. they also told me these two would go beyond 10 years of service if maintained, and if they fail - parts and serviceability are a breezeupgrading for a good expresso grinder is better, upgrade your coffee machine when it breaks down
I started with a cheap DeLonghi and moved to an used 17 year-old gaggia classic with a modified steam wand. Learned a lot from it and sold it after upgraded to an used Expobar hx machine. Later sold the hx machine after moving home and needed a smaller footprint, and got a rancilio Silvia (an used one as well). So far so good. I'll say the second hand market for Italian made machines can be a great source to get a great machine but the gaggia at $600-ish price tag is very tempting as well.
Heya. I am in a similar boat as yourself and after a lot of research I found the next upgrade worth making would be to getting the Nuova Simonelli Oscar II + Eureka Mignon Silenzio Grinder.
About $1350 + $650.
This setup will give you the potential to make coffees as good as cafes while being a setup easy enough for almost anyone to use without needing to take a barista course.The next jump is usually to get a single boiler machine and grinder separately and this can be done for less than 1k, but I'd recommend skipping it and going for the bigger jump like you suggested and getting either a dual boiler or the heat exchanger like the model I mentioned.
The right dual boiler + grinder is quite expensive and would be too big a jump for most including myself.This is a heat exchanger machine, basically has the same end result to that of a dual boiler.
With a single boiler the temp required for steaming is high, so after you finish that you may need to flush some of the very hot water out before pulling a shot, otherwise you get burnt-tasting coffee.The advantage of separating the steaming is you will get less fluctuations in temp and can do both steaming and coffee at the same time with separately managed temparatures, which results in better consistency and just being easier first thing in the morning.
For some people, this flushing is worth saving $700-1000, just remember that most other plebs don't know this process - so its basically just you using this….forever…
Look the machine up, very good value for what you're getting.You will also have to add a grinder to the setup and for that I'd recommend the Eureka Mignon series.
These range between $400-800 usually.
It starts with a push button manual and then as you spend more you get functionality like timer, noise dampening and programmable settings.
The grinder quality itself is basically the same across the range, I'd recommend the Eureka Mignon Silenzio - really big difference in noise.If you're in a hurry and want to upgrade quickly, then maybe go with one of these Gaggia machines, or if you want something simpler then go with a Breville Dual Boiler.
But if you're thinking like me and want something good and easy enough for most people to use, then you'll need $2k for this jump.
Either of the $1k or $2k options should last you 10+ years and both can give you the same good result, the more expensive one is just a lot easier - when I think of using it for 10 years, I want it to be simple and expect other people will use it as well.Rancillio Silvia and the Rocky grinder are an amazing single boiler duo. Got them over a year and a half ago and it's so easy to use
My coffee journey from the early 90s.
- Delonghi cheap machine - gave it away to a friend and surprisingly it lasted about 15 years.
- Krups gimmicky machine where you poured the coffee in a hole at the top and pulled a handle down. Broke after a year.
: Gaggia Classic (i.e. the machine advertised here). It was okay. Broke after about 2 years and we got a refund. - ECM Giotto. Hopefully the last machine we'll ever buy. Had it for nearly 20 years and it looks fantastic, makes fantastic coffee and was worth every penny.
My advice would be to always buy something that can be serviced and repaired, otherwise you're throwing money down the drain.
I went from shops' coffee to Vietnamese filtered coffee, ECM Magnifica S (fully automatic coffee), and finally ECM Barista with Rotary Pump.
This one is not comparable to Dual Boiler according to this guy's (James Hoffmann) standard.
The Best Espresso Machine Under £500 - (Gaggia is reviewed here)
The Best Espresso Machine Under £1,500 - (Dual boiler is reviewed here)
Breville Dual Boiler + Grinder for $789 on Ebay! https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BREVILLE-BEP920BSS-the-DYNAMIC-D…
That's a good deal compare to the Gaggia!
That eBay account has no history, likely dodgy.
Yikes. The 1 positive review just says "Sent to wrong address". Steer clear
I have multiple Gaggia Classics paired with EM0480 Grinders and make excellent coffee. 2 are over 15 years old and I have replaced the pump on one, once (took about 5 minutes).
Had a shootout with a friend and his Sunbeam Torino and he couldn't even come close. To be fair Torino is a thermoblock. Haven't tried the Breville. I also have a commercial Grimac Hx e61 and the Gaggia can match it for espresso, but I do like the ability to steam milk while pulling shots, which you can't do on a single boiler machine.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/274039974993
Can get it cheaper with a code through eBay. PPSS100 will take off $50 bringing it down to $576. Even cheaper if you can get discounted eBay gift cards.
Amazing price for a really reliable real coffee machine. Fit a PID from Shades of Coffee UK (no more temp surfing, and better steam pressure), and do the five minute OPV mod, and you've got a super reliable single boiler machine for a really nice price and in a small footprint.
I have the Breville dual boiler but my only complaint is it's pretty difficult to get good microfoam in the milk as the steamer isn't quit powerful enough.
Can anyone recommend a machine with really good steam/wand pressure? I haven't timed it but I would say it takes me at least 60+ seconds to steam a 500ml jug half filled.
Both the Rancilio Silvia and ECM Casa V apparently provide good (best in class) steam pressure, in a similar price range.
Someone else posted above, James Hoffman does heaps of great reviews on Youtube that'd be worth looking at - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HIGdYy5of4
Thanks man, will look into both.
Keep in mind though, both of those are single boiler machines and take longer to heat up both at startup and transitioning between coffee and steam. Also don't have PID control, and the Silvia doesn't even have a pressure gauge.
We've got a BDB in the family and has been pretty good at getting good microfoam. Could be a bunch of other reasons.. scale buildup, blockage, type of milk etc.
Can't recommend this machine enough!